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Sackmaster - 12-19-2006 at 04:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
You provided the phone detail.


The phone detail? :?:

Yeah so, I told you some of the details that Ted and I talked about on the phone. So what? Any human being with a heartbeat could do the same.


The first conversation betwen Ted and I took place this past weekend, just a few days ago, not a hundred years ago. Recalling the details of a phone conversation that took place only a few days ago is not the big deal you're making it out to be. What's your point?

DENNIS - 12-19-2006 at 04:48 PM

You're making too big of an issue about meeting somebody over the phone.
You contacted the man over the phone
You introduced yourself over the phone
He introduced himself to you over the phone
You met him over the phone

This is a fantasy. You are doct.

Sackmaster - 12-19-2006 at 05:02 PM

Look people...What Ted experienced in Rosarito Beach took place only 2 short months ago, or so. I hope that sometime in the future Ted is able to grab the attention of someone in the print media. Someone like nationally syndicated columnist Ruben Navarrette. I told Ted about Ruben, which is one of the reasons why I contacted Ted by phone in the first place, to tell him about Ruben Navarrette, and a few other good sources that he didn't have listed.

Ruben Navarrette is published nationwide, is based out of San Diego, and has a very strong and vivid interest in what goes on in Mexico. He has a column in 175 newspapers around the country, including the San Diego Union Tribune. And IMO, he is a very fair minded man with a strong streak of humanity that appears to be consistent in his personality. I also admire Ruben Navarrette for his impartiality and fair mindedness he imparts in all of his columns.

Since Ted's matter is so new (2 months old), my one hope is that Navarrette decides to take on Ted's story and publish it for everyone to read. If he does, trust me, i'll be sure to come back and post the link to the article in this thread. That is, if the powers that be on this site decide not to lock this thread or delete it, which is always a possibility. Any thread that portrays Baja in a bad light may not be received well on a site like this because money is involved and it's a business. I understand that.

I've enjoyed reading Navarrette's columns over the years in the San Diego Union Tribune. And I once saw Navarrette on a show that had CNN's Lou Dobb's on it, so you better believe that Navarrette wields a little clout in the area of disseminating stories and garnering attention. Profiling Ted's story in one way or another just might just help Ted out.

And it would also tend to put Ted under a microspcope and expose any manipulation of truth. I mean, Navarrette is a journalist, and as such one would hope that he has the integral makings of a detective mixed into his personality. Right? Right. And if Ted was a fraud I would want to be the first ones to know about it.

Here's Mr. Navarrette's profile:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/op-ed/navarrette/index.ht...



[Edited on 12-20-2006 by Sackmaster]

DENNIS - 12-19-2006 at 05:17 PM

Navarrette is a good columnist, especially on the issues of the border but, I dont believe he will take on this issue as he has promised the world that he's going to do an extended exposé on the tooth fairy.

Sackmaster - 12-19-2006 at 05:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
You're making too big of an issue about meeting somebody over the phone.


In a way you're right. I can understand how it appears to look that way. But keep in mind, I just registered today, and I tell you, I've done enough posting on this issue to last a lifetime. What, 11 or 12 posts in one day? That's way too much posting for me!! I will not be back here tomorrow because I've spent to much time on this issue as it already is. And because answering to accusations like this is a great way to waste alot of time. And come tomorrow the "you're making it too big of an issue" tag won't fit because I'll be elsewhere.
Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
You contacted the man over the phone
You introduced yourself over the phone
He introduced himself to you over the phone
You met him over the phone





I agree, you're right about all of that.


Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
This is a fantasy. You are doct.



I don't feel comfortable calling him "doct" because I don't know what his credentials in the field of patient care is. I am not Ted. You're wrong about that. If I'm Ted than you're in some way associated with this site which is why you are tenaciously pursuing that angle of things. But then again maybe you have a crystal ball.

DanO - 12-19-2006 at 05:21 PM

Another post from Dr. Z on TijuanaBlog:

http://www.tijuanablog.com/viewtopic.php?t=869&postdays=...

I noticed that "bluejeans" published an article that I had sent to "bluejeans" via "pm", is that forum ethical? And, what was the reasoning behind it? Furthermore, some people can't see the forest from the tree's, especially, when it comes to reading articles. I consider Nancy of the "Gringo Gazette" a person that is not afraid to print the truth. I, also, see where some blogers are proud of living in Mexico. Are you? Why would you want to live in a place where you have to hide all the time. A place where when you see a cop, you break out in a sweat because you don't know if he's going to shake you down or not. A place where they can come and take everything you have, anytime they want. What kind of a life is that. As for me, it was strickly for economical reasons that I found myself in Rosarito. Because, at the time, it was the only way that I could afford to start a clinic/hospice, which, incidentally, was encouraged by numerous doctors in the area that were looking for a larger place to practice. Personally, I love America. I'm a vet and proud of it. Nobody had to draft my ass when it came time to protect my country. I put my life on the line by my own choosing. And, I did it so that people could be free. Free to do things in pursuit of their own happiness. And, so that they didn't have to hide and keep a low profile to live, like in Mexico. Even though I've lost everything in Mexico, I look outside my motel room window, now, and I see America. And, it's one of the greatest feelings in the world. And, I will never stop until the wrong that was done me in Mexico is righted, regardless of any stupid derogatory remarks by people who have never walked in my shoes.
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Sackmaster - 12-19-2006 at 05:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Navarrette is a good columnist, especially on the issues of the border but, I dont believe he will take on this issue as he has promised the world that he's going to do an extended exposé on the tooth fairy.


There's that crystal ball thing again. Either that or you're a genius. :rolleyes:

[Edited on 12-20-2006 by Sackmaster]

DENNIS - 12-19-2006 at 05:32 PM

Well, maybe I was wrong sackmeister.
You arn't doct. doct is you.
I'll try to pay attention to the ego split from now on.

You seem to be losing interest in your endeavor. Are you going to turn it over to another you any time soon?

Sybil is back.

Enter the shark

Sharksbaja - 12-19-2006 at 05:32 PM

Ok folks take a deep breath.

. Following this issue has been entertaining if anything.
The way I see it is anything but educational. Although believeable the whole exchange is not easily accepted especially since certain pertainent questions remain unanswered.
From the sounds coming from the alleged victims' mouthpiece I find it extremely difficult to believe that that source cannot or will not answer those relevant question(s).
Especially considering that the mouthpiece knows very keen details of the victims life and events.
Obviously the whole story or parts of the story are known but not told. Accordingly, the story loses credibility.

When the question of hiring a U.S. lawyer to sue Mex was asked I wondered how with all the media, law, govt and other entities contacted would they not already know the answer. My guess is they never retained a Mex lawyer in the first place, which with all the stuff doc was engaged in, would be very prudent.

His operation possibly looked crooked to someone. He may be clean as a whistle. Perception is very important in Mexico.

mtgoat666 - 12-19-2006 at 05:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hose A
Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS

Sackmeister ----- I believe you are doct.


Two different I.P. address.
I have traced one.
The other comes up as untraceable.

Still working on it.
Going to call on a person with more sophisticated software than I have to see what he can do.


I think people should be allowed to retain their anonimity, and not be outed on this board. But, hey, if you own it, go ahead and do it.
But I'm gone for good.

DENNIS - 12-19-2006 at 05:44 PM

Just trying to fully understand what's happening. It's a protection thing.

toneart - 12-19-2006 at 05:50 PM

Quote:
I know that Ted is using a VOIP phone from his motel room in order to save money. Yes he has a cell phone, but if you expect to call him multiiple times, he'll furnish you with his VOIP number so he can save money on his cell phone bill and not eat up the minutes on it.


Voice Over Internet Protocol=High speed cable or DSL.....hmmmm.

$130. computer in a small hotel with slow dial up.....hmmmm.

Could it be- the sociopathic ego being rescued by the pathological alter-ego? Just wondering. Where can I sign up for the defense fund?

Roses are red
Violets are blue
I'm schizophrenic
And so am I
:light:


GOTCHA!

Don Alley - 12-19-2006 at 05:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666
I think people should be allowed to retain their anonimity, and not be outed on this board. But, hey, if you own it, go ahead and do it.
But I'm gone for good.


Too late, we already traced your IP address and found out who you really are, OJ.

:lol:

Cincodemayo - 12-19-2006 at 05:53 PM

Devilgoat is gone for good?:o
I've been reading this from the start and somtin seems fishy to say the LEAST. Seems that if a citizen of the USA was accosted the way he was there would be press jumping all over the story with all the crap happening on the border and Baja. Time will tell because if that happened to me I'd be going for head rolling and not stop until the press and TV were saturated with it....Hit em where it hurts and that's public humiliation.
Oh damn, we are talking about Mexico now aren't we? Start a new letter Jane....Dear Mr. Calderone....

DENNIS - 12-19-2006 at 05:56 PM

Good post toneart
But, dontcha know schizophreniics and multiples are different?

DanO - 12-19-2006 at 05:56 PM

Ditto what HoseA said about tracing IP addresses (as we all know, that's happened here numerous times -- fact of life). And by the way, whoever called Dr. Z's number (according to Sackmaster) is now part of the NSA's nationwide call log database. Uh, oh.

:O

[Edited on 12-20-2006 by DanO]

Bruce R Leech - 12-19-2006 at 06:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Sackmaster
Quote:
Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
all I did is try to help him and he would not even answer my emails. why dose he keep shooting him self in the foot? he dose his best to look like a scam so some people think it is. I bit on his hook and found out what he was really after.
He tells a good story but he wont back it up.:o
[Edited on 12-19-2006 by Bruce R Leech]


1) What makes you think that he's doing his best to make this look like a scam? Why do you think that he strives to make this look like a scam? SCAM is a very strong word, bro! Or were you being facetious?

2) How is it that you want to help him? What could you offer him?

3) If you're really concerned, and you really want to help him, why don't you call him on the phone to offer your help? Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you blowing smoke?

4) Do you have an aversion to talking to someone on the phone?

5) Why don't you call him on the phone and talk to him yourself?

6) Do you have a crystal ball?


Ted put his phone number out there so people like you (and me, or anyone else for that matter) could call him and talk to him one on one! You don't have to "offer him help" in order to talk to him on the phone. That's not a prerequisite! I don't know why he's not answering his emails, and it wouldn't be fair to make an assumption as to why he's not answering his emails. That would be like convicting someone of a crime based on an assumption and not fact. You don't know why he's not answering his emails unless you have a crystal ball.

There's something a little odd here. Everyone is asking for Ted's voice and yet no one is willing to call him even though they have his cell phone number. For some strange reason there are people in this thread who equate a telephone conversation with the deep french kissing of a rabid, 3-legged german shepard. Just like the 3-legged dogs that I always see roaming around Constitucion Avenue in TJ. What's with that? :rolleyes:



[Edited on 12-19-2006 by Sackmaster]



he put his email address also and he or you who ever wont respond I m not going to wast my dime on this guy. it cost a lot to call from down here

DENNIS - 12-19-2006 at 06:04 PM

DanO -----
That would be Baja Nomad, Doug Means, by his own admission on the 18th. Nothing was forthcoming.

toneart - 12-19-2006 at 06:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Good post toneart
But, dontcha know schizophreniics and multiples are different?


Sorry, I guess (the royal) "we" are getting too clinical.
I should rely more on my sense of smell. ;)

DanO - 12-19-2006 at 06:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
DanO -----
That would be Baja Nomad, Doug Means, by his own admission on the 18th. Nothing was forthcoming.


Ahh, I had missed that one. Doug, anything further to report?

Bruce R Leech - 12-19-2006 at 06:25 PM

The immigration office could find no record of any of this. so draw your own conclusions.

Sackmaster - 12-19-2006 at 06:40 PM

Okay, I'm done posting on this subject for the night. I'm gonna give it a rest. At least for now. 13 or so posts is way too much for me, and is borderline insane, figuartively speaking.

I warned Ted to be wary about people who spend a considerable amount of time on Internet discussion forums. The same type of people who have a deep emotional investment that they put into their forum persona. Those types of people can be so damn petty, micro-analyzing every letter of your post. And yes, I'm guilty of the same thing I'm now criticizing. Which is why I'm signing off for the night.

These same people are always looking to swashbuckle panache' or pompousness into their forum character. Since they have no chance of upstaging Jack Nicholson, Robert Deniro or Cameron Diaz, they act out their character in a discussion forum.

And now look, I've turned into one of the very same types of people I told Ted to watch out for, a prolific poster whose days revolve around arguing on the Internet! I should go kill myself, lol...

I also warned Ted about the cliques that might ambush him in a forum. I've been ambushed a few times before. Not here in this thread, but elsewhere on other forums. Alot of us have. Like I told Ted,

"Post your narrative and see what happens. Wether you choose to nurture the thread is up to you. But be careful, as discussion forums can be just like drinking alcohol or gambling in that the they can be very addictive, a little like a gang fight, and eat away at alot of your free time. I do urge you to post it as you just might help another person out there, you might garner some good info that'll help your cause, and I too might learn something in return. I have no doubt that what you post will generate alot of controversy. TJBlogger has around 700 members or so, while BajaNomad has many more times that, so expect to be deluged with questions, skepticism, false accusations and raised eyebrows."

Another reason why I called Ted was because I wanted to urge him to contact Court TV, as they once did a story on a young American man by the name of Jayson Artis who was murdered by the Tijuana police.

The last thing anyone saw of Mr. Artis was him going down the street in the back seat of a Tijuana police car. The police car was proceeding down the main artery of the tourist district, the infamous Revolucion Avenue.

This street is touted by the Tijuana tourist council as being one of their most popular tourist destinations in all of Tijuana, a must see location. A Tijuana tourist representative will point to Revolucion Avenue as being one of their foremost attractions that every tourist should visit. Holla!!!

Why do I care about people like Jayson Artis, Donald Kraft, and Ted Zebrowski? Because I like to go to Tijuana and Baja, so I need to know about all the good and bad things that go on down there, that's why!!

Suffice to say that the names "Donald Kraft" and "Jayson Artis" are permanently seared into my memory, as are the details to their story of why they died and how they died south of the border.

The memories of their death will always serve to keep me on my toes, and to watch my back! And you better believe that if I had any kids I would teach them all about what happened to Donald Kraft, Jayson Artis, and Ted Zebrowski!!

I pasted a link to Jayson Artis's Court TV article at the bottom of this post, along with info pertaining to Donald Kraft. Do yourself a favor and bookmark those links to your favorites.

As I mentioned earlier I'll post back with any print media articles that profile Ted's story, if they profile his story. And that might be next week, or next winter. I'll bookmark this site and revisit it again.

Last of all, I also advised Ted to contact the San Diego Reader to see if they'd be interested in his story. And I'm hoping Ruben Navarrette picks up on Ted's story because Ruben is fair guy. Ruben's a writer, and that means he needs something to write about, right? Right! What are the chances of Mr. Navarrette profiling Ted's story? I dunno, you'll have to ask someone with a crystal ball. And as we all know from some of the things posted on this site, there's no shortage of crystal ball carrying people around here! :spingrin:

http://www.sdreader.com/ed/cover/

http://www.unsolved.com/1103-Artis.html

http://www.courttv.com/news/hiddentraces/tijuana/page1.html

http://www.americanpatrol.com/TRAVEL/kraftdies990906.html

http://www.americanpatrol.com/TRAVEL/UScrashvitimsransom9911...

You sharp man Grover

Sharksbaja - 12-19-2006 at 06:43 PM

I saw the same thing. There are other clues too. We will see this through. I mean what else can we do with all our unabashed encyclopedia of wealth and knowledge.... oh. and we hate phonies.......:lol:

I can imagine a "forum hacker" so to speak. One with knowledge and the ability to spin masses of lookers and lurkers. I can imagine one so endowed with such prowess to apply such wisdom upon unseen unmet advocates as well as skeptics.

So who are we to be fooled? Or are we?????

Keep up the good work bedfellows, I am now getting a new sort of ed. Serious crap for sure, but ya know, how else do you get someones attention?

Been there, done that!;D

After all, isn't that what this is all about.
:rolleyes:


Show me anything tangible from Mexico related to Mr. Thadeus re: this post.

Bruce R Leech - 12-19-2006 at 06:47 PM

Sackmaster your writing stile is exactly the same as Ted Or Doc or whoever

Sackmaster - 12-19-2006 at 06:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
he put his email address also and he or you who ever wont respond I m not going to wast my dime on this guy. it cost a lot to call from down here


Wow, you don't want to "waste" a dime to help him? This guys daughter was raped. That's real nice of you. :rolleyes:

DENNIS - 12-19-2006 at 07:00 PM

That was just a parting shot guilt- trip for you Bruce.
I'm sure you'll get over it.

DianaT - 12-19-2006 at 07:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Sackmaster
Quote:
Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
he put his email address also and he or you who ever wont respond I m not going to wast my dime on this guy. it cost a lot to call from down here


Wow, you don't want to "waste" a dime to help him? This guys daughter was raped. That's real nice of you. :rolleyes:


I am sure Bruce would be very happy if he could call San Diego for a dime.

Diane

oldhippie - 12-19-2006 at 07:07 PM

no way I'm reading through this thread, I stopped when docthaddeus said:

"6. I never brought drugs into Mexico. The sound of it echo's a stupid accusation. People bring drugs into the States not into Mexico."

"People bring drugs into the States not into Mexico."

depends which way your going, don't it? 8^)

DENNIS - 12-19-2006 at 07:13 PM

Jeezo ----
If these guys had any legitimacy, they would have gone out long ago.
Persistance is a valued quality of a con-artist. They try to beat you down.

Not this time.

Bruce R Leech - 12-19-2006 at 07:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Sackmaster
Quote:
Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
he put his email address also and he or you who ever wont respond I m not going to wast my dime on this guy. it cost a lot to call from down here


Wow, you don't want to "waste" a dime to help him? This guys daughter was raped. That's real nice of you. :rolleyes:


Look whoever you are I spent a lot of time and some money talking to my lawyer and also the immigration people here. and he would not even answer my email of the things the lawyer needed to no be for he could advise him. this was back when I was trying to help. so he burned me pretty good and I am sure that is just what you or he wanted.

Karyn Ivie - 12-19-2006 at 07:40 PM

I think this guy suffers from multiple personality disorder. Therefore, he can talk of himself in third person. Also, he is a screenwriter which uses this type of writing.

Karyn Ivie - 12-19-2006 at 08:06 PM

ZEBROWSKI, GEORGE (Thaddeus) [originally Jerzy Tadeuz Zebrowski] (1945-

I found this on the net, he is listed with 3 names on this site

Bruce R Leech - 12-19-2006 at 08:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Karyn Ivie
ZEBROWSKI, GEORGE (Thaddeus) [originally Jerzy Tadeuz Zebrowski] (1945-

I found this on the net, he is listed with 3 names on this site


Karyn can you post a link to the site?

Bruce R Leech - 12-19-2006 at 08:12 PM

Karyn sent this Link

http://bibliograph.ru/Biblio/Z/ZEBROWSKI_G/ZEBROWSKI_G.html

villadelfin - 12-19-2006 at 08:16 PM

http://www.ecosderosarito.com/history/139/7_2333.html
Supuesto "comando negro" asalta a familia extranjera


Thadeus Chester Zebrowski, de 60 años de edad y residente del fraccionamiento Montecarlo, pidió auxilio de la Policía Municipal a las 5:40 horas del 29 de junio, ya que presuntamente tres individuos portando armas de fuego y con pasamontañas cubriendo sus rostros allanaron su vivienda, privaron de la libertad a familiares y se llevaron dos vehículos así como 150 dólares en efectivo y varios objetos más.

Los agentes que llegaron a su domicilio para atender el caso, fueron enterados por Chester Zebrowski que minutos antes de la hora indicada tocaron la puerta principal y acudió a abrir, penetrando tres sujetos vestidos con "ropa operativa" y calzado tipo policíaco, quienes lo empujaron y le indagaron sobre cuánta gente más estaba en el interior de la casa, respondiendo que dos mujeres y cuatro hombres.

Tras eso, supuestamente los individuos amarraron de pies y manos a los ocupantes, al tiempo que le exigieron decir dónde guardaba su dinero, ante lo que respondió que ahí no había nada en efectivo.

Por eso, los sujetos se apoderaron de las llaves de un vehículo Mazda y una vagoneta Toyota, revolviendo todas las cosas de la casa, de donde obtuvieron solamente 150 dólares en efectivo y objetos electrónicos.

Dio a conocer que los "inmovilizados" son los de nombre Kalen M. Davis, de 60 años; Zachary Zebrowski, de 16 años; Angela Murisan, de 21 años; Michael F. Plefka, de 20 años y Elías Rentería, de 45 años.

El señor Zebrowski señaló a los policías que sospecha de lo que ocurrió en su contra, que provino de su vecino Samuel Humberto Macías Sott, ya que cree que era uno de los encapuchados.

villadelfin - 12-19-2006 at 08:21 PM

http://www.ecosderosarito.com/cgi-bin/print.pl?id=1926

Año XIII :: Núm. 854 :: Editorial Playas de Rosarito S.A. de C.V. :: Semana del 14 al 17 de abril del 2006


Vigilarán zona turística Empresarios donaron equipo a policías


La Asociación de Hoteles y Moteles, la empresa FEMA (Ford) y Clínica Génesis hicieron entrega de tres motocicletas cerreras y cuatro equipos completos para la protección de agentes de la Policía Municipal que deberán trabajar en la vigilancia de la zona turística, concretamente la playa y calles aledañas, durante esta temporada alta de afluencia turística.

Fue el presidente municipal Antonio Macías Garay quien recibió el 12 de abril al mediodía el donativo de parte de los representantes de los organismos citados, como el ingeniero Carlos Contreras Navarro, presidente de los hoteleros organizados; Gustavo Chávez, por la empresa automotriz, mientras que por la clínica Génesis acudieron Aldo Ojeda acompañado de Ana Yolanda Sifuentes y Fiorella Ampudia, representando al doctor Eduardo Góngora.

Durante la ceremonia efectuada en el hotel Festival Plaza, el ingeniero Carlos Contreras expresó su beneplácito de que empresas hayan dado una respuesta positiva a las propuestas de apoyar con "algunas herramientas de trabajo a la Dirección de Seguridad Pública".

"Este es un esfuerzo del sector privado para que se mejore en alguna forma la vigilancia en la zona turística, a donde llegarán miles de personas durante este fin de semana y más en el resto de la temporada veraniega, por lo que queremos que se les garantice una estancia tranquila, segura, de parte de la corporación policíaca", indicó.

Contreras Navarro informó que la inversión fue por el monto de los 65 mil pesos en cuanto a uniformes para los agentes, consistiendo en cascos, chamarras, camisetas, protectores de rodillas y hombros, pero aparte cada empresa asumió el costo de las motocicletas.

Por su parte el presidente municipal Antonio Macías Garay agradeció la colaboración de los empresarios con la dotación de este tipo de equipo para los policías y ofreció que el trabajo está en marcha para reforzar la vigilancia a lo largo de la playa y el centro de la ciudad.

Indicó posteriormente el Alcalde que se espera solamente para estos días de la Semana Santa una afluencia de alrededor de 45 mil personas en Rosarito, que seguramente en buena cantidad van a ocupar la playa de día y noche "sean residentes de los municipios cercanos y hasta de California, por lo que estamos obligados a tratar de tener un saldo blanco, así que la vigilancia será permanente y he ordenado que se haga de esa forma".

Y el director de Seguridad Pública Municipal, Valente Montijo Pompa, indicó que todos los agentes de la corporación han recibido instrucciones de tener presente el contenido del bando de policía y buen gobierno así como advertidos de mantenerse vigilantes en toda la ciudad para prevenir hechos que perjudiquen a los residentes locales y visitantes.

Aclaró Montijo, por último, que sólo hizo falta que la empresa Lagza entregara la motocicleta cerrera que prometió "por eso nada más se dio cuenta de tres, por ahora".

En el acto, también estuvieron presentes el comandante operativo de la policía municipal, Ramón Ángel Soto Corral y los cuatro agentes que por turno les tocó la vigilancia en el sector turístico junto a otros elementos.


Jesús Soto
Información General


ECOS de Rosarito
Blvd. Benito Juárez #23-100 Playas de Rosarito, B.C. Tels./Fax: (661) 612-12-44 y 612-17-38

comitan - 12-19-2006 at 08:45 PM

The report shows the breakin happened in june quite some time ago, and by reading the report I think he embelished the incident, as far as the second report birds of a feather and maintaining such a high profile. It'l get ya.

Mango - 12-19-2006 at 09:38 PM

Bruce, I applaud you for your honest efforts to help this man.

Sackmaster - As being a "newbie" here myself I don't know much about everyone here. But, I have seen many people offer help and assitance to each other time and time again. Bruce allways seems to come the the top of the list to help people.

All the good people here is the main reason I keep comming back. I don't allways agree with everyone; but, there is much good that comes from this place.

If you really want to help DocT. And it is very obvious that you do. I'd suggest you/he answer Bruce's 15 or so questions. Very simple. Maybe with all the time you seem to have on your hands to "defend" this "stranger" you could ask him the questions over the phone or drive the few miles to meet him and ask him.

I do belive however this is a scam. I am not sure who called this guy from the board; but, I suspect that the repeated insistance to call him dirrectly, "...and then he will give you another VOIP phone number so as not to run up minutes", is the meat of the scam.

BEWARE of calling any numbers beggining in area codes 809, 284, 829, or 876! (Probably others exsit..so BEWARE!)

Do an internet search on "Area code scams"

Again I might be wrong; but, this whole thing smells like rotten fish. One of the reasons I have stayed out of trouble in here in the USA and in Mexico over the years is because I can "read" people very well.

Again, I may be wrong... This could be some entirely different scam than an area code scam. :lol: Or I could be really wrong and this all could be real; but, the last time I was around the block..people that had well rehearsed sob stories that didn't add up, and ignored or refused to answer simple questions from people just trying to help them... well you know.. its not my first day on the planet.. or the internet.

Mango - 12-19-2006 at 09:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by lencho
Quote:
Originally posted by villadelfin
http://www.ecosderosarito.com/history/139/7_2333.html
Supuesto "comando negro" asalta a familia extranjera


What!? Just when I was beginning to belive that the whole affair was a complete fabrication, you come up with outside corroboration from a credible source. The thick plottens...

Sackmaster, whatever you might be, you've certainly not done DocT any favors with your "support"...

--Larry


I may be "reading" the wrong person. I'd agree Sackmaster has made me very suspect. It sure would be nice if DocT could log on AND answer Bruces questions.... Then maybe people here could actually help. That would be nice for everyone.
Quote:
Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
1 are you legal to do business in Mexico?

2 were the cars legally imported in to Mexico?

3 do you have a FM3 with work permit?

4 are you a non profit org. in Mexico? If so why are you trying to sell cars?

5 Did you own or Lease the land that the house was on?

6 Did you have a lawyer or accountant advising you on your project?

7 was the Mexican immigration involved in your deportation?

.............A did you have an Immigration hearing?

.............B were you represented by a Lawyer?

.............C Did they provide you with an interpreter?

.............D did you sign any papers that you did not read and understand fully?

8 were you served any papers regarding any of this in the past?

9 were you charged with any crimes?

............A did you go to any hearings on the charges?
10 can you give me any details on how you were deported?






[Edited on 12-18-2006 by Bruce R Leech]

fdt - 12-19-2006 at 10:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by grover
Minutos después en la calle fue asegurado el sujeto, quien lleva por nombre Thaddeous Chester Zebrowski, de 61 años de edad, sobre el que pesa una orden de aprehensión en estados como New Jersey y Florida, en el vecino país del norte.

La Policía Municipal de Rosarito en este caso sólo apoyó la movilización de los agentes del "grupo de inteligencia y planeación" procedentes de Tijuana acordonando el área donde vivían estos extranjeros, a los que se llevaron para presuntamente ponerlos a disposición del Instituto Nacional de Migración.



"No contaban con mi astucia":bounce:

BajaNomad - 12-19-2006 at 11:02 PM

As a follow-up... again, I called the 619 # posted and spoke with "Thaddeus" briefly last night. I requested information that might help me verify what he was reporting here. In conversation some things were noted that I felt I could try and confirm/verify - and take it from there.

In the conversation one thing that stood out to me was he indicated he had lease with a purchase option on the home, and that he went ahead and poured money into upgrading the home (thinking it was a "done deal"). Thusly the original comment he posted about the owner wanting it back.

The two IPs - that of sackm and doct - are as Hose A noted, cable (Roadrunner), and what appears to be a United Online (Juno/NetZero) dialup account. Since neither of the posters were posting at the same time one can't say it's not the same person... but I doubt it is.

(btw... this isn't "outing" anybody)

doct, in our phone conversation, indicated he was going to give it his best go at the Mexican Govt. I reminded him that many people familiar with visiting and putting money into Mexico, have an attitude that they do it with money - as hard as it would be - that they could walk away from and not be in his position. I also reminded him that people with a "cause" in Mexico become targets and I was concerned about this for him. He told me that nobody (at least nobody outside family and close advisors) knows his definite whereabouts in San Diego - or the specific location of his motel. Sackm's indication that he's in Spring Valley was news to me.

Oh, and today's been especially busy for me. I expected to be back at one of my desks today after lunch, and didn't make it until just a few minutes ago. This will have to wait until tomorrow (at least) on my side of things.

--
Doug

[Edited on 12-20-2006 by BajaNomad]

Stickers - 12-19-2006 at 11:12 PM

I just read this entire thread and I am impressed with the Nomad responses.

I am not a name caller but on a purely intuitive level I feel that the original poster and his evil twin are a bit odd.

It would be nice if they moved on out of here.

:o:O:o:O:o:O:o:O:o:O:o:O:o:O:o:O:o:O:o:O:o:O:o:O:o:O:o:O



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Bruce R Leech - 12-20-2006 at 08:15 AM

Last night while I was out for a bit Edith received a very rude and scary phone call from these people.

Sackmaster - 12-20-2006 at 09:46 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hose A
No one has been outed yet.
One address is a dial up connection and the other is a cable dsl connection.
So I would assume they are not one and the same person.

If you want to remain annon do not post on the internet .
Your I.P is easily obtained and traced.



You're assumption is right, Hose.

I'm not a millionaire, not even close, but I do live comfortably in a very popular part of San Diego, in a community called Pacific Beach. I'm fortunate enough and lucky enough to be in very good health, living only 2 blocks from both the Pacific Ocean and a killer-diller boardwalk where lots of people run, ride bicycles, jog and stroll. I really do count my blessings, even when it comes to the small stuff like Internet cable connections and things that some people take for granted.

In talking to Ted on the phone, I have learned that in the 2 months since the Mexican police took everything he had and raped his daughter, his diet has consisted of alot of donuts and coffee. And that's not good! Ted used to have a thing for lifting weights, as I do now, so his health and state of physical being must be very important to him.

I feel for Ted because he's in his 50's or 60's...so I feel for the guy. I don't think he lives as comfortable as I do as he is staying in a motel in Spring Valley which is way out in the suburbs, east of downtown San Diego.

Hose, you are right on the money with your opinion, Ted and I are not the same person.



[Edited on 12-20-2006 by Sackmaster]

Sackmaster - 12-20-2006 at 09:50 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
Sackmaster your writing stile is exactly the same as Ted Or Doc or whoever


So Ted's writing style is the same as mine? Are you sure about that?

Please give us a few examples of how Ted's style of writing is "exactly" the same as mine. I'm sure everyone would like to see what kind of detective skills you bring to the table. If you cannot prove it, I'm going to have to ask you to please cease and desist with the stupid accusations that are demeaning to both Ted and me. Gracias.

[Edited on 12-20-2006 by Sackmaster]

Sackmaster - 12-20-2006 at 10:10 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Stickers
I am not a name caller but on a purely intuitive level I feel that the original poster and his evil twin are a bit odd.

It would be nice if they moved on out of here.

:o:O:o:O:o:O:o:O:o:O:o:O:o:O:o:O:o:O:o:O:o:O:o:O:o:O:o:O



Evil twin? A bit odd? And you said you're not a name caller. :rolleyes:

I'm backing Ted up in this thread because the Mexican police stole all of his lifes possessions and raped his daughter and that sucks big time. And because I talked to Ted on numerous occasions on the phone. And that makes me evil? And having a heart makes me odd? You're a Cyberspace tough guy who likes to call people names on the Internet flame people and smear the image of a guy like Ted who went through hell and back. Wow, whatta man.

I'm backing Ted because "BajaGringo," an American who has several business interests in Baja and has lived there for quote "many Years" followed Ted's story in a Baja newspaper called "the GringoGazzette."

The GringoGazzette followed Ted's story. BajaGringo is a poster on another Baja related forum, "TijuanaBlogger." BajaGringo helps Americans who are looking to rent and buy housing in the Tijuana area. BajaGringo testified that he followed Ted's story.

BajaGringo has alot of contacts in the Tijuana / Rosarito Beach area, and so he would be the first one to tell people that Ted's a fraud...if he was a fraud.

BajaGringo has nothing but sympathy for Ted. A person with your intelligence level needs to read that again, Snickers: BajaGringo has nothing buy sympathy for Ted!

To the lurkers and onlookers out there: in a thread like this, you have posters who are for some inexplicable reason trying to make Ted, myself and yes, BajaGringo look like liars.

And they're doing a more than adequate job of it because Ted and I are outnumbered by these zealous witch hunters. Discussion forums can be just like a gangfight in that the forum regulars will gang up on a select indiviual for their own idiotic pleasure.

I'm on Ted's side, as is BajaGringo, because we think that what happened to Ted was hideous and tragic. I'm on Ted's side because I have a heart, and I have no shame in that.

There are people on this board who don't like the fact that people like BajaGringo and me are on Ted's side. They just don't like the fact that we feel for Ted and are in his corner. So far, the witch hunters are six in number:

--Bruce R. Leech

--k1w1

--Dennis

--lencho

--Karyn Ivie

--Stickers

Ted posted his phone number in his first post / thread starter. anyone can call him and ask him about losing everything in his life to the Mexican police.

For the life of me I can't understand why the six aformentioned people are hellbent on kicking a guy like Ted in the balls, figurartively speaking. Ted will talk about it all, and that includes the robbery of all of his lifes possessions that he accumulated in 40 or 50 years of living and the rape of his daughter.

Stop hating on this man, stop trying to make him look like a liar. You're spending alot of time on the Internet villifying Ted in public. Ted is a victim. A victim! Call him up to ascertain that for yourself!! It's a telephone conversation, for Christ sakes, not a sit down with the Arellano Brothers! What part of that don't you understand? His phone number is: (619) 723-6600

I am not Ted, Slickers, nor can I be his "evil twin" as we are not related! Furthermore, I have never met Ted in person.

The mods here have already stated that they cannot match Ted's I.P. address or my I.P. address togehter as one, so there you have it!

Slicker, you're a liar because you are a namecaller. You're also an Internet troll, and your "intuition" that you're using to denigrate both Ted and I isn't worth 2 cents of used toilet paper.

And as far as ordering us to "move on out of here," I can tell you that after to talking to Ted last night, Ted told me that when he gets some free time he fully intends to come right back here and post again!



BajaGringo's post as posted in TijuanaBlogger.com:

"I have lived here in the Rosarito area for years and I followed this story in the Gringo Gazette. Talking to most of the Gringos here where I live most seem to believe it was a case of a Gringo at least wanting to appear having a lot of money with a remodeled "mansion" as you call it and high dollar cars."

"No matter what the age of the vehicles, a Porsche and a Rolls Royce always draw attention. Jorge Hank drives a vintage Silver Shadow around town at times. The general opinion is that those who broke in were looking for an easy hit on a high dollar mark."

"Your long story probably makes a good case why it is smart to live "under the radar" and not try to draw attention to yourself here in Mexico. Crime is a problem in Mexico but you can definitely improve your odds with some common sense. I have lived here for many years in a nice home in an ocean front community and never had so much as a single problem."

"As Chiquito said previously, I also have seen your story in other places, obviously in attempt to draw more attention to yourself and your plight. I wish you luck and my advice for the future would be to think about not trying to draw so much attention to yourself in Mexico. Not a good idea for anyone, foreigner or Mexican citizen."

Here's the link to the TijuanaBlogger thread where you can find "BajaGringo's" post:

http://www.tijuanablog.com/viewtopic.php?t=869&start=0

[Edited on 12-20-2006 by Sackmaster]

Sackmaster - 12-20-2006 at 10:15 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BajaNomad
As a follow-up... again, I called the 619 # posted and spoke with "Thaddeus" briefly last night. I requested information that might help me verify what he was reporting here. In conversation some things were noted that I felt I could try and confirm/verify - and take it from there.

In the conversation one thing that stood out to me was he indicated he had lease with a purchase option on the home, and that he went ahead and poured money into upgrading the home (thinking it was a "done deal"). Thusly the original comment he posted about the owner wanting it back.

The two IPs - that of sackm and doct - are as Hose A noted, cable (Roadrunner), and what appears to be a United Online (Juno/NetZero) dialup account. Since neither of the posters were posting at the same time one can't say it's not the same person... but I doubt it is.

doct, in our phone conversation, indicated he was going to give it his best go at the Mexican Govt. I reminded him that many people familiar with visiting and putting money into Mexico, have an attitude that they do it with money - as hard as it would be - that they could walk away from and not be in his position. I also reminded him that people with a "cause" in Mexico become targets and I was concerned about this for him. He told me that nobody (at least nobody outside family and close advisors) knows his definite whereabouts in San Diego - or the specific location of his motel. Sackm's indication that he's in Spring Valley was news to me.

Oh, and today's been especially busy for me. I expected to be back at one of my desks today after lunch, and didn't make it until just a few minutes ago. This will have to wait until tomorrow (at least) on my side of things.

--
Doug

[Edited on 12-20-2006 by BajaNomad]



Nice post, Doug. I feel a little vindicated already.

There are a few idiots on this board who were getting carried away with their witch hunt. It was very disheatening to see these people tear into Ted, a man who lost everything he had in Baja and whose daughter was raped. Some of these posters excel at being a real jerk. The guys daughter was raped, for God's sake!!

Here's a few points I'd like to make to you that might help you clear alot of this B.S. up:

--If Ted and I post at the same time, that will prove that we're not the same person. You, the moderator, already mentioned that. Depending on how Ted feels, I'm game for that! Although Ted might not want to try and prove anything after he sees the six posters who did their best to make Ted and I look like liars. I conversed with Ted last night, and he was a little saddened to hear about the six posters who were kicking him when he's down.

--You've talked to him once on the phone. I've talked to him 5 or 6 times already. He's a good guy, with alot of interesting stories to tell about the 2 years he lived in Baja. He lived in Playas / Tijuana for one year, and the second year he lived in Rosarito Beach. You should call him again to chat, you might learn alot from him, and he could use a little moral support, I'm sure.

--Not only did Ted "pour money" into the Rosarito Beach house, but he put a little money into the T.J. rental, too. Ted actually increased the value of the rental for the Mexican owner, all out of his own pocket! When I asked Ted why the hell he did that, he explained to me that he's a "giver" in life and not a taker.

--Listen Doug, the next time I talk to Ted I'll tell him to give you my phone number. Feel free to call me! Ted's over in the east side of San Diego, with a 619 area code. And I'm over on the west side of San Diego, where the area code is 858. Call me up! That way you can verfiy that Ted and I are two totally different people. As President Reagan once said, "Trust and then verify."



http://www.unsolved.com/1103-Artis.html

http://www.courttv.com/news/hiddentraces/tijuana/page1.html

http://www.americanpatrol.com/TRAVEL/kraftdies990906.html

http://www.americanpatrol.com/TRAVEL/UScrashvitimsransom9911...




[Edited on 12-20-2006 by Sackmaster]

bancoduo - 12-20-2006 at 10:24 AM

The phone thing means nothing if it is a cell phone:lol:

elgatoloco - 12-20-2006 at 10:45 AM

As a regular reader of the Gringo Gazette I had followed this story from the start.

I would not wish any of this on my worst enemy.

I wonder if he had a valid FM-3?

My family has had a place in Baja since 1960. We alwasy lived by the code " don't spend more then you can afford to walk away from". We will continue to do that.


Whenever I hear a story like this involving an expat the soundtrack in my mind is always Bowie singing "This is not America, sha la la la la"

Good luck to doc in his efforts to get back what is rightfully his.

Jim - 12-20-2006 at 10:49 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by bancoduo
The phone thing means nothing if it is a cell phone


True, especially with "Call-forwarding" activated. It's not uncommon to have several Area Codes patched into the same physical address.

Fascinating thread. Lots of editing by posters on their prior posts. Having used the "Printable Version" tool at the top of the thread soon after I saw the controversy developing, it's been interesting to see all the editing.

As for Sackmaster, someone who stated that he was not going to post any more on this thread, he's sure been active.

aquaholic - 12-20-2006 at 11:07 AM

...in real life, Sackmaster could be the guy urging you to call the pledge number on the Public TV channel...

Cypress - 12-20-2006 at 12:44 PM

After reading the back and forth exchanges from this post, I'd say "Cabin Fever" isn't limited to the "High Country".:biggrin:

DENNIS - 12-20-2006 at 01:32 PM

sackmeister --
You're having way too much fun with this. You know way too much about someone you have had only a few phone conversations with.
He used to lift weights?
I'll bet you can tell us what size jock strap he wears.
Why do you persist here? Obviously, this is an unfriendly environment for you. Nobody is buying it but, you keep trying to convince people of what?
I don't get it. What is you're motive? What do you want?

DENNIS - 12-20-2006 at 01:43 PM

sackmeister --
By the way......... PB, where you say you live is only twenty minutes from Spring Valley. It is unbelieveable that you wouldn't take the short trip to meet someone you think so much of.
Just another point of nonsense from you.

Mango - 12-20-2006 at 08:57 PM

Sackmiester,

You have to admit this whole thing is very suspicious. Let me give you a quick rundown of my logic.

First, a new tread is started by a new user that explains that they had a very tough situation, and needed help. The original post was hostle and demeaned the place that so many people here love.

Second, a few questions were asked of Ted so we could help him. Some observations were made about possible reasons as to why Ted was deported and/or was having problems. The hostility of the origional post most mostly ignored and not commented on out of respect.

Next, Ted logs on and ignores a few very sensible questions asked by some people here in order to help him. He glosses over some non-important stuff, like the conditions of the cars, etc..

Then, another new user logs on and posts many times in support of the first user. You claim to have only talked to him a few times on the phone. Yet, you know many storys and many unique details of Ted and his life, including precise locations of alleged police harrasment, etc.. You urge endlessly for people to call him, etc. etc.. You posted more times in one day than many users post in a month.

Many users have urged Ted to answer some simple questions about his legal problems, visa status in Mexico, etc.. We get no meaningful response from the origional poster.

Since you started posting here you have been abrasive and attacked many users here on this board. You say users like Bruce have attacked you or Ted; when, it is obvious that Bruce offered help time and time again. He even talked to Mexican lawyers on Teds behalf, talked to immigration officals on Teds behalf. The motive was to find the truth; the result was more attacks by you (a mysterious poster) on behalf of another mysterious poster.

Then it comes to light that Ted was in leagal trouble here in at least two states in the USA. He continues to avoid basic questions. It also seems you have almost unlimited time to address speculation about the ambiguity of Teds posts.

I can have two differnt IP's pretty easy. Use a cell phone to connect to dialup and use my DSL on another line. I could even log on on at the same time buy using two computers. Not hard.

We offered advice and asked a few simple questions at first. We recieved glossed over or ambiguous answers. Then we were attacked by a stranger that insists we call somebody because they don't have time to log on the the board and answer a few simple questions where they posted already.

Yes I feel bad for Ted. I feel bad for anyone that gets scammed or robbed. The offer for help is there if he would just answer some questions. I and others are suspicious because we don't want to see anyone here get scammed.

If you can't see why people are worried that this is a scam; that is your problem. If you really want to help Ted you should start by spending your time more wisely. Print out the questions below. Drive 20 minutes and let Ted know that people are willing to help him; but, we need to know where he stands. Where he stands... not you. You're abrasive posts are a disservice to everyone invovled.

Again. Here are a few simple questions. If Ted really wants help from us here he would answer them. All of us can't or won't call Ted. But, if he really wants help from all of us he can spend a little time to answer these. Otherwise, in reality, we can not offer or be expected to offer any help or advice.


Quote:
Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
1 are you legal to do business in Mexico?

2 were the cars legally imported in to Mexico?

3 do you have a FM3 with work permit?

4 are you a non profit org. in Mexico? If so why are you trying to sell cars?

5 Did you own or Lease the land that the house was on?

6 Did you have a lawyer or accountant advising you on your project?

7 was the Mexican immigration involved in your deportation?

.............A did you have an Immigration hearing?

.............B were you represented by a Lawyer?

.............C Did they provide you with an interpreter?

.............D did you sign any papers that you did not read and understand fully?

8 were you served any papers regarding any of this in the past?

9 were you charged with any crimes?

............A did you go to any hearings on the charges?
10 can you give me any details on how you were deported?

bajalou - 12-20-2006 at 09:22 PM

Thank you Mango for the excellent summation of what I've been thinking.

aquaholic - 12-20-2006 at 09:25 PM

I agree...an excellent summation. I doubt we'll hear from them again...

abreojos - 12-21-2006 at 06:02 AM

Real or not I still think this is a movie in the making! And if you think about it, most movies have some flaw in the plot and can be made better!

DENNIS - 12-21-2006 at 07:28 AM

Sounds more like reverse telemarketing to me. Instead of calling you with a sales pitch, he wants you to call him, knowing that by merit of your participation, he has you half sold already. In order for the scam to survive, you would be asked to participate in doct's defense. I don't believe he merely wants to chat and the push to make the phone call was too insistant.

villadelfin - 12-21-2006 at 08:24 AM

I thought the article said that the Tijuana squad was ""supposed to"turn him over to Immigration. It never says he was. And although DocT is sketchy on details, I can only imagine that somehow machine-gun toting plain clothed police crossed through Mexican and US border checks to exile him to San Ysidro.
Quote:
...a los que se llevaron para presuntamente ponerlos a disposición del Instituto Nacional de Migración.--Newspaper article

By DocT:
Within just a few hours we were whisked through their diabolical legal system removed from everything that we owned and created with our blood, sweat, and tears, and were left standing on the street in San Ysidro, California



You, DocT are willing to post a cell phone number and an email address in public but you adamantly refuse to post any more details of what, in your opinion, transpired. This is a public forum and I refuse to meet with you anywhere but a public cyberspace. So come across or go away.

edited for syntax

[Edited on 12-21-2006 by villadelfin]

DENNIS - 12-21-2006 at 08:42 AM

On the lighter side ---------
Since this thread was created, 3 1/2 days ago, it has been viewed over 6000 times.
I guess we all need a little intrigue in our lives.

Thanks doct, for that, if nothing else.

fdt - 12-21-2006 at 09:58 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by docthaddeus
16. To prove to the United States that Mexico is willing to except responsibility for any injustices and crimes committed by their law enforcement personnel against American citizens, as well as, any other Nation.

Boy, I've offered to help people but $195,000 plus $3,000,000 sounds like a lot of pesos
Quote:
Originally posted by docthaddeus
Please be advised that the above might not appear to be a lot of money, with exception to the screenplays, to the average American


Thanks for advising

Hay Lencho

fdt - 12-21-2006 at 10:14 AM

Por lo que veo has estado escuchando mucho a Los Huizapoles :lol::lol:

Bajagypsy - 12-21-2006 at 11:10 AM

Looks like sackmaster is taking a break today!!!!:biggrin:

abreojos - 12-21-2006 at 11:40 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
On the lighter side ---------
Since this thread was created, 3 1/2 days ago, it has been viewed over 6000 times.
I guess we all need a little intrigue in our lives.

Thanks doct, for that, if nothing else.


10 pages!!! Maybe we just wrote the script for his next screenplay?

bajalou - 12-21-2006 at 11:45 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by abreojos

10 pages!!! Maybe we just wrote the script for his next screenplay?


I do 50 to the page so only 3+ pages for me yet - but I thought it might reach 10

jeans - 12-21-2006 at 12:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Sackmaster

"I warned Ted to be wary about people who spend a considerable amount of time on Internet discussion forums. The same type of people who have a deep emotional investment that they put into their forum persona. Those types of people can be so damn petty, micro-analyzing every letter of your post....."

".....I also warned Ted about the cliques that might ambush him in a forum. I've been ambushed a few times before. Not here in this thread, but elsewhere on other forums. Alot of us have. Like I told Ted,

"....Post your narrative and see what happens. Wether you choose to nurture the thread is up to you. But be careful, as discussion forums can be just like drinking alcohol or gambling in that the they can be very addictive, a little like a gang fight, and eat away at alot of your free time. I do urge you to post it as you just might help another person out there, you might garner some good info that'll help your cause, and I too might learn something in return. I have no doubt that what you post will generate alot of controversy. TJBlogger has around 700 members or so, while BajaNomad has many more times that, so expect to be deluged with questions, skepticism, false accusations and raised eyebrows."


Boy...I saw that coming! It was obvious that he was a "newbie" to forum dynamics if he thought his story would be accepted at face value.

It was with much fascination that I read this...and some horror....Initial thoughts were "how could this guy PO so many people? I think that whenever someone continues to be victimized, as he claims...there is a karmic feedback loop in play.

I do not doubt that what he claims happened...and as loath as I am to "blame the victim",....when a pattern can be identified...(he had problems when he lived in Las Playas...and there were references to prior legal problems), it is hard to work up any real sympathy for him.

I think the phone scam theory is all wet, however.

He was not charged with a crime...yet he lost everything. Nobody deserves that. Indifference of the police...totally believable...we've heard it a thousand times....

The comments about payback for American policies towards Mexican illegals was chilling. It is an easy excuse for those inclined to abuse.

It had occurred to me, too that maybe Sackmaster was Ted. Using a friend's computer for a few minutes could result in different IP numbers, but I believe that is not the case.

It seems to me that he set up the circumstances for a massively corrupt, out-of-control government entity to come in and literally rape & pillage, which he...and his daughter, did not deserve.

I hope that there will be a media investigation....every time something like this happens, it puts more light on the obvious problems Mexico has with police corruption.

Perhaps someone should foward this thread to Donald Trump...money talks?

Just my dos centavos....

DENNIS - 12-21-2006 at 01:23 PM

Jeezo ----
Could somebody in the states go to a public phone and make the call? I'm about to make the day-trip up there just to do that and go to a real Home Depot and WalMart.

Cypress - 12-21-2006 at 01:51 PM

Let's see?:?: The guy was attacked by the police, who raped his daughter and stole his high dollar vehicles while they were at it. :?: He was then allowed to return to the refuge of the good 'ole USA to make a full report of how the Mexican Govt., which values tourism and foreign investment, broke all international laws and ripped his world apart.:?: All this without beating the hell out of him while they were at it?:?::no: Something about this whole story smells to high heaven. Or??

toneart - 12-21-2006 at 04:23 PM

It seems Herr Sockmeister has put Doc away in his steamer trunk for a good rest. By the way, does anyone remember the movie, Magic....a Wm.Golding novel...starring a young Anthony Hopkins? Better be careful opening up that trunk again.:O

toneart - 12-21-2006 at 04:29 PM

Quote:
10 pages!!! Maybe we just wrote the script for his next screenplay?


I like it! I think Abrejos has come up with the agenda behind all of this. Only 10 pages in 3 1/2 days is a little pokey though. (That is pokey spelled with a p, not an h. :lol:

DENNIS - 12-21-2006 at 04:31 PM

I'm waiting for the next personality to come forward.
It has been fun.
Jeeso --- look at the hits on this thread. This is the superbowl of nonsense.

Summanus - 12-21-2006 at 04:35 PM

10 pages....sheesh. So.....What is it that attracts people to reading about misfortune?...like a moth to a flame? We have met the enemy...and he is us.

DENNIS - 12-21-2006 at 04:37 PM

Summanus -------

What? No credit to POGO?

toneart - 12-21-2006 at 04:41 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
I'm waiting for the next personality to come forward.
It has been fun.
Jeeso --- look at the hits on this thread. This is the superbowl of nonsense.


For sure, it's the Tower of Babel.

DENNIS - 12-21-2006 at 04:48 PM

Hey toneart, mi amigo ----------

You're avatar raises my blood preasure. Could you tone it down to a slap or something less brutal?

DonBaja - 12-21-2006 at 05:03 PM

This Soap Opera has been some interesting reading :!: This time of year business is slow and following this thread has helped pass the time for me. Ted and Sackmaster need to get a little more creative in order to keep this thread alive, at least until the end of next week, the week between christmas and new years is very slow and I could use some more entertaining reading material. Suggestion: rent some dvd's of the show 24 and spin off some of the episodes with your creativity and keep posting away!!! I've got 6 more days of work so please get busy. Or better yet call Jack Bauer directly I'm positive he can help you, if he is unable to help try Chuck Norris, between the 2 of them all of your problems will be solved !!! Don't think for a minute you are wasting peoples time. Take me for example, I am sitting here hanging on your every word, I have nothing better to do so please don't let me and all of the other "Believers" down !!

Com'on Doc answer the questions already :spingrin: :P

losfrailes - 12-21-2006 at 05:36 PM

I must be missing something here. Who, in all honesty, gives a big rats ass about has happened to this guy.

I seems that whatever really transpired might have been well deserved and rewarded.

Further responses to this just justifies his inane beginning to the thread.

DENNIS - 12-21-2006 at 06:11 PM

Nah LosFrai....
It really doesn't justify anything other than a group of people who chose not to accept his BS as true. Some here still believe him and, thats good. He told a good story but, under intense light, it didn't stand up as completely true.
He introduced a stand-in voice to give outside support and both of them were literally baseless.
This man is creative. I like that.
This man is, I believe, larcenious. I dont like that.
If doct and sack arn't the same person, they are working in concert. This is the creative part which appeals to me but, they weren't very good at it. They need more practice.
They, one or both, have seemingly gone into a coma. That's good.
Whatever happened to that man's family is a tragedy, if true. I would hope that if it happened to me or mine, it wouldn't fall on deaf ears. I believe that would depend on how I related the story. I wouldn't fantacize and lie. People like you and me see through that.
Good for us.
Bad for doct.............

DENNIS - 12-21-2006 at 07:09 PM

Good point , Larry, but it's hard to turn life into a court of law.

docthaddeus - 12-21-2006 at 07:30 PM

just want to let everyone know that i am back. even though i lost everything, i still have a life and i must move on. the only thing, and i say it again, that won't ever change in my life, is my quest for justice in mexico. i haven't had a chance to read the good, the bad, and the ugly, yet! but, i will. and, i will post again. i will only be answering human beings. over & out. Thaddeus

Confirmation from a reliable source

villadelfin - 12-21-2006 at 07:47 PM

Sorry, but I just got word via email from a very reliable source who claims to have seen the deportation order on the guy and knows of someone else that this has happened to. Excerpts from Source follow

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I have, however, seen his deportation order, which does not say anything about any outstanding warrants, and he was not subjected to the usual deportation procedure. In fact, getting picked up by the Mexican police on outstanding warrants is extremely unusual.

Getting cooperation from Mexican authorites to pick up Americans on outstanding warrants is very difficult and unusual. That would be an extradition, not a deportation, which is what supposedly occurred. Also, these so-called "cops" did not have any ID, even the Ecos article says that. Even if Zebrowski did have warrants in the US, that does not explain why they have seized his house and stolen all of his possessions. Also, they say they were bounty hunting. Note that bounty hunting in Mexico is illegal, look at the Dog Davis case, so how could legitimate police have been doing this?

Probably what is going on here is that rouge(sic) commando units affiliated with the police are committing crimes. The newsmagazine Zeta reported about the presence of these commando units.

[Another person]told me that the same thing happened to him.

His story was the same as Zebrowski's, that armed commandos without ID invaded his house saying they were police.

The police chief that is quoted in the Ecos article has been fired. The newsmagazine Zeta raised the question: why? There are only 2 possibilities: either he was corrupt or he was not corrupt enough. These official explanations that they give to the press cannot be relied on. Pompa is trying to say that he would not allow TJ police to operate in Rosarito, except that he obviously did allow it, three separate times. If Rosartio police were present at the scene, either they were "escorting the TJ guy out of town" or they were accomplices. Even Pompa said that the operation had to be approved by higher ups, no matter what he says, it obviously was indeed approved by higher ups. So, either he was complicit, or he got strong-armed. Remember that Mr. Javier Arellano Felix himself was living in Rosarito and was proabably responsible fo the beheadings of the three Rosarito cops last year.

End quotes

Now, I didn't read in the Eco article that the supposed TJ cops didn't have ID, but......

Sackmaster - 12-21-2006 at 07:48 PM

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Originally posted by Hose A
No one has been outed yet.
One address is a dial up connection and the other is a cable dsl connection.
So I would assume they are not one and the same person.

If you want to remain annon do not post on the internet .
Your I.P is easily obtained and traced.



You're assumption is right, Hose.

I'm not a millionaire, but I do live comfortably in a very popular part of San Diego, in a community called Pacific Beach. I'm fortunate enough and lucky enough to be in very good health, living only 2 blocks from both the Pacific Ocean and a killer-diller boardwalk where lots of people run, ride bicycles, jog and stroll. I really do count my blessings, even when it comes to the small stuff like Internet cable connections and things that some people take for granted.

In talking to Ted on the phone, I have learned that in the 2 months since the Mexican police took everything he had and raped his daughter, his diet has consisted of alot of donuts and coffee. And that's not good! Ted used to have a thing for lifting weights, as I do now, so his health and state of physical being must be very important to him.

I feel for Ted because he's in his 50's or 60's...so I feel for the guy. I don't think he lives as comfortable as I do as he is staying in a motel in Spring Valley which is way out in the suburbs, east of downtown San Diego.

I just spoke to Ted a few moments ago (12-21-2006) on the phone. He just got back from having been out all day. I told him that this thread was 11 pages long, and almost at 7000 views. Pretty impressive for a guy who never really posted in a discussion forum before.

He was wondering what in the hell everyone could be talking about as he's been busy and hasn't had time to post. He went on to say that he may have indeed posted something in the last 2 days, but he can't really remember for sure as he's been busy. He may have, and he might not have. He just can't remember. When I talked to him he was pretty fatigued. Remember this is a guy who went from living in a real big house to living in a motel. He said he might check the thread out if he's not too tired and he has the time.

The robbery of all of his possessions and the rape of his daughter happened only 2 months ago, so his body and mind is certainly still feeling the effects of having to deal with that type of trauma. That's a good enough explanation for me. And if anyone else doesn't like it, tell it to someone who cares, because I don't. Ted's first obligation in life is to try and climb up out of the hole he's in.

As Ted mentioned to me the other night, what he went through--losing all of his lifes possessions and his daughter being raped--is something that might've made other men put a shotgun to their head and pull the trigger. When he told me that, I was a little jolted. But he's right. Ted's in his 50's or 60's, he's lost it all, and his daughter was raped. That would do alot of men in.

He also said that he feels a little responsible for his daughters rape, and it weighs on his soul. I've only known Ted for about 4 or 5 days, and I don't know the full scope of what he went through, meaning that I don't walk in his shoes, so I can't say, nor will I say that he is in any way responsible for her rape. Maybe he is a little responsible for it, maybe he's not.

He also said that no one has called him on the phone. I told him the reason for that is because alot of men in discussion forums are wimps and forum hoars that would rather sit and post 20 or 30 posts a day, 365 days a year. Then again, there are alot of Internet tough guys who wilt at the idea of talking to someone who just suffered a fantastic amount of damage to their soul. They prefer to keep the subject matter light and if something melancholy comes up they immediately reach for the remote control to turn up the volume on the television.

Then there are other people that just wouldn't know what to say. Some of those types, the tongue-tied, are more comfortable having virtual conversations than they are with having a real one. Especially a real conversation in real life with a man that has hit rock bottom. I don't belittle those people, they are only human.

As for me, I'm still surprised that no one has had the guts or the sympathy or the benevolent spirit or the whatever you want to call it to pick up the phone and call Ted and offer their moral suppport.

Or conversely, to tell him that he's scamming everyone here, a real charlatan who' s a complete idiot and who's obviously smoking crack. In other words, the skeptics who talk alot of trash in a forum but don't have the balls to call Ted and tell him he's full of crap.

You have a big man on this site, a shotcaller named Doug. He's affiliated with this sight in some form or fashion. I don't know what he does, but he is an authoritative figurehead. At the urging of some cowardly forum members that were, and still are, too scared to call Ted, they took Doug to task by insisting that he give Ted a call. I quizzed Ted about that phone conversation, and he told me that at first Doug was cold, icy and skeptical. But once Ted got around to telling his side of the story, Doug began to thaw out. Perhaps Doug is now a believer.

By the way, perhaps not all of the people who urged Doug to call Ted are cowards. Bruce R. Leech posted many pages ago that he couldn't afford to call Ted and pay for a phone call to the United States. I guess business must be bad for Mr. Leech and "Mulege Baja."


Anyway Hose, you are right on the money with your opinion, Ted and I are not the same person. That bears repeating: "You are right on the money with your opinion, Ted and I are not the same person." And I thank you for submitting that opinion here in a public forum. You're a moderator, so if anyone knows, you should.

:spingrin: Time for some good old fashioned egg nog! :yes:



[Edited on 12-22-2006 by Sackmaster]

Paula - 12-21-2006 at 07:51 PM

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Originally posted by Summanus
10 pages....sheesh. So.....What is it that attracts people to reading about misfortune?...like a moth to a flame? We have met the enemy...and he is us.


I have been following this thread closely. I'm embarrassed to even guess how many of the 7000+ hits might be mine. I haven't posted anything because I still can't figure out where Ted is coming from, and I really have nothing to contribute. And this is the reason for my interest. I know that I don't enjoy the suffering of others, and I don't think many of us here do, but I do like cheap thrills, and the cost of a good book is always going higher.

I am fascinated by the many possibilities here. Is it all true? Is poor Ted a truly innocent victim of Mexican law enforcement? Or is he a disgruntled visitor with Mexican law enforcement as the victim here? Or does he just love Baja and want it all to himself, and so is trying to frighten prospective tourists? And who IS Sackmaster?? Is he Ted, or Ted's best friend or business partner? Or is he really just a nice guy who has stepped in to help poor Ted out? Will we be able to rent the video, or will the saga make it to the BIG screen? And who will direct Ted's screenplay? Gus Van Zant would have a picnic with it but it would be a very different movie from The Coen Brothers. Martin Scorsese might do it nicely, and perhaps it could resurrect Michae Cimino's career.

So, Summanus, I guess I can only surmise that we read it ....

BECAUSE IT IS THERE!!!!!:biggrin:

DENNIS - 12-21-2006 at 07:54 PM

Sackmeister ----

Arn't you being repeatedly redundant?
Seems we've seen this before.
What do you think, Hose?

villadelfin - 12-21-2006 at 07:56 PM

I like the two references to killer-diller boardwalks:lol:

Sackmaster - 12-21-2006 at 08:03 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Sackmeister ----

Arn't you being repeatedly redundant?
Seems we've seen this before.
What do you think, Hose?


Yeah and it's 5 pages 100 replies 1000 views and 10 6-packs later and you're still tripping on the "Ted and Sackmaster are one and the same guy theory." A fool like you needs to read what Hose said. Again and again and again. You don't like Hose's statement because it makes you look like a complete fool. You're a perfect example of why it's a waste of life to spend hours at a time in a discussion forum. Or any amount of time, for that matter. You need help bro, and I'm being kind.

DENNIS - 12-21-2006 at 08:10 PM

Calm down boys. Everythings allright.

Sackmaster - 12-21-2006 at 08:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Sackmeister ----

Arn't you being repeatedly redundant?
Seems we've seen this before.
What do you think, Hose?


Before I hit the egg nog...I inquired at length as to the specifics of the conversation Ted had with Doug. From the way Ted described the conversation, Doug did a very good job in describing the type of people that are in discussion forums. A very good job. The good, the bad, the helpful, the absurd. People just like you, Dennis. Though you weren't around to here the anecdotes Ted relayed to me, Doug's description of Internet forum oddballs fits you to a "T," in my humble opinion.

Note to Doug: "I agree!"

DENNIS - 12-21-2006 at 08:21 PM

That must be the killer-diller board walk

DENNIS - 12-21-2006 at 08:26 PM

Hey sackmeister ---
Dont try to demonize me. It's off the point........ being, what do you want? Are you here for any other reason other than to get people to make a phone call?
What is it?
Why wont you answer that?

jeans - 12-21-2006 at 08:53 PM

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Before I hit the egg nog...I inquired at length as to the specifics of the conversation Ted had with Doug. From the way Ted described the conversation, Doug did a very good job in describing the type of people that are in discussion forums. A very good job. The good, the bad, the helpful, the absurd. People just like you, Dennis. Though you weren't around to here the anecdotes Ted relayed to me, Doug's description of Internet forum oddballs fits you to a "T," in my humble opinion.

Note to Doug: "I agree!"


Regarding board (or bored) personalities...have fun with this.

http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/index.htm

docthaddeus - 12-21-2006 at 08:57 PM

i'm impressed. finally the truth is surfacing, as it always will. villadelfin is amost there. the collusion in the actions taken by the police is existing mainly on subterfuge. and subterfuge is like building a house on sand. oh!
what tangled webs they weave. there will be many to pay the piper this time. this investigation is finally bearing fruit; thanks to all the remarks in this thread. and sackmaster stands at the right hand of justice. and, please be advised that sackmaster is not me. he's an outstanding human being that cares about more than himself, and is always in pursuit of the truth....... because he knows; the truth will set you free.

DENNIS - 12-21-2006 at 09:05 PM

oh, puleeease doct. How can you say things like that when you're nailed to a cross?

docthaddeus - 12-21-2006 at 09:13 PM

i heard christ died for the sins of others, dennis but in your little mind, he died because he was bad for trying to help others. oh! and please don't come back with 'that i am trying to compare myself with christ' ....that would be a little to cheezzzzeeee.

Minnow - 12-21-2006 at 09:17 PM

FM-3?

Bruce R Leech - 12-21-2006 at 09:19 PM

docthaddeus and what did you do when I tried to help you ?

Mango - 12-21-2006 at 09:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Sackmaster
Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Sackmeister ----

Arn't you being repeatedly redundant?
Seems we've seen this before.
What do you think, Hose?


Yeah and it's 5 pages 100 replies 1000 views and 10 6-packs later and you're still tripping on the "Ted and Sackmaster are one and the same guy theory." A fool like you needs to read what Hose said. Again and again and again. You don't like Hose's statement because it makes you look like a complete fool. You're a perfect example of why it's a waste of life to spend hours at a time in a discussion forum. Or any amount of time, for that matter. You need help bro, and I'm being kind.


Dude! True or not. Your posts are abrasive and have little tact. You did indeed repost the same 3 paragraphs on two different posts... verbatim...page 9 and page 11. So, yes you are redundant and repeating yourself. You're ad hominem attacks don't do you or Ted any service.

Again.. all we get from you and Ted is continued request to call. No actual information... just more ambiguity.
Quote:
Originally posted by docthaddeus
just want to let everyone know that i am back. even though i lost everything, i still have a life and i must move on. the only thing, and i say it again, that won't ever change in my life, is my quest for justice in mexico. i haven't had a chance to read the good, the bad, and the ugly, yet! but, i will. and, i will post again. i will only be answering human beings. over & out. Thaddeus


Again, Ted implys that he will only provide facts via a phone call. If he is going to take the time to log on; and read all this. I'd sugest he actually answer a few questions so we could help him. Otherwise he is wasting his and our time.

I feel bad for Ted. I do. I know there has been wild speculation. I'll be the first to admit that I too am guilty. But, absent fact.. speculation is all we can give.

I also know some people do not have the best social skills and/or know how to use the internet well. But, you have to see it from our perspective. I and many others here are willing to help; but, I'm not calling anyone. I make a habit of not calling people I meet on the internet until I know them very well. Call me names, whatever. I call myself smart. The world is full of unscrupulus people... and there really is no way to tell the good from the bad on the internet. Just take a look at the spam in your inbox if you are still confused or naive.

It is obvious to me that both you and Ted lack some important social skills to some degree. Ted's first post was inflammatory and his second he called a few users names. You yourself have attacked many different people here too.

I used to work retail years ago. I provided excelent service and allways did my best to help the customer. There is a saying, "If you give bad service to one person, they will tell ten others." The only people I ever gave bad service to were a*shol*s; because, I figured there friends were as*hol*s; and I never wanted to do business with a*shol*s. The exceptional service I gave more than made up for the few people every year I sent out of the store mad.

The moral to that little story is: You get back what you give out. If you give out a bunch of BS... that is what you are going to get back.
Quote:
Originally posted by docthaddeus
i'm impressed. finally the truth is surfacing, as it always will. villadelfin is amost there. the collusion in the actions taken by the police is existing mainly on subterfuge. and subterfuge is like building a house on sand. oh!
what tangled webs they weave. there will be many to pay the piper this time. this investigation is finally bearing fruit; thanks to all the remarks in this thread. and sackmaster stands at the right hand of justice. and, please be advised that sackmaster is not me. he's an outstanding human being that cares about more than himself, and is always in pursuit of the truth....... because he knows; the truth will set you free.


This post contains no facts. No information that we could use to help. Thanks!

You get what you give...

DENNIS - 12-21-2006 at 09:21 PM

By the way, Shakespear mentioned you when he said, "doct and sackmeister protest too much." He was talking about your constant insistance that you and sack are different people.
You are one and the same as well as being a woman, so please dont call me bro. It's a man thing.

Cold, Hard Facts.

Dave - 12-21-2006 at 09:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by docthaddeus
i still have a life and i must move on. the only thing, and i say it again, that won't ever change in my life, is my quest for justice in mexico.


Justice, you ain't gonna get. Unless it's very private and vindictive. Your money, property and possessions are long gone. I would suggest you follow your own advice...Move on.
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