BajaNomad - Border Closure 8/31/07

Border Closure 8/31/07

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Bob and Susan - 8-31-2007 at 11:54 AM

help!!! i'm stuck in MULEGE!!! :lol:

Hook - 8-31-2007 at 11:54 AM

Well, it sounds like the CHP closure has negated the need for any kind of confrontation between the teachers and the policia. No one for the teachers to inhibit or protest to.

toneart - 8-31-2007 at 11:57 AM

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Originally posted by Hook
And you dont see that the BEST solution to the problems of Mexican immigration is to provide the jobs where they live, rather than up here? I cant believe that, given a choice between entering a new culture with a strange language and working in the area their families live, they wouldnt choose the latter every time.

The immigration issue is as much a statement of the failings of the Mexico as it is about the opportunities of the US.

Many of us are tired of the blame-game directed at US citizens as racist, when there is PLENTY OF BLAME TO GO AROUND ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BORDER.

In the meantime, the middle class of American can no longer afford to foot all the legal and medical billls that illegal immigration brings.

Maybe if Mexico had to shell out for a true defense budget to protect her borders (instead of relying on US treaties for defense of her borders from external threats), she might feel the squeeze we are in.

Or, maybe if her super-rich, monopolizing ruling class had more compassion for her workers?

Space colonization wont make the burgeoning deficits of Medicare and Social Security go away, Toneart. That's our biggest threat, IMO.

Hook,
You are right, of course, about a lot of the things you say.
There is plenty of blame to go around. And yes, the best solution would be "to provide jobs where they live". How would that work? What part of that could the Mexican Government facilitate. It did work in the U.S. when Roosevelt ended the depression with his WPA programs and a war industry at a time when the people were supportive of us entering WW11. Indeed, Mexico's "super-rich, monopolizing ruling class" could and should have more compassion. The problem with that is that "trickle down economics" doesn't work. The whole concept is ridiculous.....people are greedy!

Regarding Social Security....that's another bogus issue that the Republicans drummed up to detract from news generated by Iraq War news. If left alone, as it was set up, it would survive, perhaps with a little tweaking (NOT privatizing!!). The S.S. lockbox has been raided....a betrayal to us seniors. Medicare works well as far as a govenment program can. It's financial problems are part of the larger issue of our broken healthcare system. It is in financial crisis because the insurance companies and the pharmasudical industry are ripping off you and me, and especially those who don't have any medical insurance at all because it is unaffordable.

And yes, illegal immigration is indeed taxing our healthcare system...especially our emergency rooms.

I realize we are arguing classic visions of what is the function of government vs the private sector....in a democratic system.The visions are polar opposites.

My point earlier was to try and show how we are seen by the Mexicans. If, as Woody says, "I don't care," well what can I say? That's an attitude and in my opinion, a cop out. Also, racism does exist all over the world. Did you know that I am a racist?

I/we were born into it. So is everybody. The way to help alleviate the harmful, hurtful consequences of racism is to, first be aware of it. Use introspection and look into your heart and see what you can do to come to terms with it and bae aware. Make a difference. "I don't care is not acceptable." I am very good friends with people who are of a different race than I. They tell me how they have been hurt during and since childhood by racist treatment and attitudes and name calling. We can talk about it. They trust me because I am open and compassionate. We all need that disscussion to not go away.....and to be respectful.

Sorry Hook. I didn't mean to dump on you personally. I just quoted you to use as a departure point....and then I kept on talking.

Bajajorge - 8-31-2007 at 12:00 PM

Post some more pictures, por favor.

bajalou - 8-31-2007 at 12:01 PM

Not that it effects me at this time, I'm listening now - keep up the good work.

(I'm in New Mexico, USA and not planning to go to Juarez or Puerto Paloma)

Debra - 8-31-2007 at 12:02 PM

Help!!!!!! I can't figure out how to tune in, I clicked the link and nothing. Any advice? Thanks.

And thanks Ferna for doing this for us. Be safe!

pix

bajajudy - 8-31-2007 at 12:06 PM

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/slideshow/news/13455015/detail.ht...

fdt - 8-31-2007 at 12:08 PM

Sorry guys I was busy with the interview broadcast but I will be archiving it as soon as I can get it edited

fdt - 8-31-2007 at 12:12 PM

Fernando tried to get some more pictures but it seems the camera conked out. I hope he got some, wont know till he get back. to listen to the radio you can try clicking it here.

http://72.232.66.50:8215 If you have real player it should pop up a stats page. At the top of the page are tab links, one says listen, click that and it will start playing

Minnow - 8-31-2007 at 12:21 PM

I just want to add that you people are driving me nuts.

Once upon a time I could read the title to a thread and say to myself,"hey self that looks interesting lets read it".

Now I have to look and see how many posts, who is responding, then start reading down to see the thread has taken on a life of its own, and now is quite interesting.

Why do you have to make my life so difficult. :lol:

fdt - 8-31-2007 at 12:23 PM

Than's for listening in at the live remote from the border, we will have it archived very soon.
saludos

Mexicali Border crossing Closed?

MICK - 8-31-2007 at 12:24 PM

Does anyone know what's happening at the calexico Mexicali border today? Mick

fdt - 8-31-2007 at 12:26 PM

It will be closed till about 3PM and all other border crossings for that matter

toneart - 8-31-2007 at 12:28 PM

We are getting too many new strings on the same topic. HoseA, can you merge them?

tigerdog - 8-31-2007 at 12:33 PM

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Shock and Awe doesn't work. It just kills people.

Somewhere along the line shock and awe turned into Shucks and aw sh*t... :rolleyes:

MICK - 8-31-2007 at 12:34 PM

all the other ones were on TJ I am going south today and am wondering what's up there.

toneart - 8-31-2007 at 12:36 PM

Minnow,
On many topics they do indeed seem to take on a life of their own. Conversations evolve. If a string has been hijacked and the topic is unrelated, which sometimes happens, I would agree with you in that circumstance.

In this string, I would say we have stuck to the topic that was introduced by Bernie, with the posting of an article.

fdt - 8-31-2007 at 12:46 PM

Ok, border is clear, the protestors have left and there was no confrontation with police

toneart - 8-31-2007 at 12:48 PM

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Originally posted by bajajudy
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/slideshow/news/13455015/detail.ht...

Thank you Judy. These photos do indeed show the protesters at the border. The earlier webcam didn't.
The caption on the first photo reads "Wednesday", though.

Regarding Ferna's radio show, I didn't want to download Apple's Real Time on my PC. My WMP won't play it.

DENNIS - 8-31-2007 at 01:02 PM

I can't help but think these actions are motivated by more than one year retirement age.

DENNIS - 8-31-2007 at 01:10 PM

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Originally posted by fdt
Ok, border is clear, the protestors have left and there was no confrontation with police

Too bad.

Wimps

Dave - 8-31-2007 at 01:11 PM

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Originally posted by fdt
Ok, border is clear, the protestors have left and there was no confrontation with police

That's it...three hours???

I'd be willing to take up a collection if they extended through Sunday.

Minnow - 8-31-2007 at 01:11 PM

The Mexican government allows this sort of thing to go on because it makes the participants feel like they are actually doing something, when wink wink everyone knows nothing is going to come of it. :lol:

Why do you think the police don't get involved? The US diverted traffic because they knew it is the policy of the Mexican government to just kind of let these things blow over. Some things about the Mexican legal system, I really like.

DENNIS - 8-31-2007 at 01:15 PM

They let them do this because they would rather have them blow off steam in an organised way than start a serious revolt.

Protest that closed border crossing winds down

SUNDOG - 8-31-2007 at 01:30 PM

Protest that closed border crossing winds down

By Steve Schmidt, Karen Kucher and Anna Cearley
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITERS

12:40 p.m. August 31, 2007

Associated Press

SAN DIEGO – A teachers union demonstration in Tijuana that had led to highway closures between San Diego and Tijuana was winding down about noon Friday.
All southbound lanes on interstates 5 and 805, south of state Route 905, remained closed while authorities waited for demonstrators to clear out, the CHP reported.

By 12:30 p.m., northbound lanes into San Ysidro were open. All lanes were expected to reopen by 1:30 p.m.

Hundreds of schoolteachers – chanting and singing protest songs – staged union demonstrations near the San Ysidro and Otay Mesa ports of entry, rallying against changes in the Mexican government's employee pension plans.

CHP Officer Rob Sanchez said the lanes were closed because Mexican government officials closed the border to southbound traffic.

“They've shut their border crossing on their side. They are not allowing traffic in,” he said. “In order to avoid the bottleneck at our port of entry, we have closed the traffic lanes and steered everyone away from it.”

Southbound I-5 traffic was being routed east to state Route 905 and north on I-805, the CHP said. Vehicles on southbound I-805 were directed west on 905 and then north on I-5.

“With the shut-down going on this long, we would expect the traffic to be extremely heavy once (the ports) open again,” Sanchez said.

In San Ysidro, it was still possible to cross the border by foot, and the San Diego Trolley continued to run trains to the area.

Sanchez said truck traffic heading into the United States at the Otay Mesa processing facility was not affected. He said the Tecate border crossing remained open.

Victor Manuel Zatarain, Tijuana's police chief, estimated that about 1,000 teachers union demonstrators were near the San Ysidro border crossing and 500 at Otay Mesa.

Early morning Tijuana radio reports described the normally congested San Ysidro crossing as virtually empty, as commuters and other crossers stayed away.

On the north side of the border, San Ysidro Chamber of Commerce president Jason Wells said streets normally bustling with shoppers from Mexico were unusually quiet.

“It's not quite deserted, but traffic is greatly diminished,” Wells said. “It's not quite a ghost town yet, but it certainly is low.” An average of about 150,000 people a day cross at the San Ysidro port of entry.

In June, thousands of protesting teachers from Mexico shut down north- and southbound traffic at San Ysidro for several hours.

bancoduo - 8-31-2007 at 01:39 PM

If the Mexican gov. paid them what the were worth, you needy people would not be unconvinced.

In NAFTA vernacular teachers are subsidized for what they do. Just another drag on the economy.

GO TEACHERS! shut it down. :cool:

[Edited on 8-31-2007 by bancoduo]

Minnow - 8-31-2007 at 01:48 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
They let them do this because they would rather have them blow off steam in an organised way than start a serious revolt.

When I first started going to Baja, I thought that was because of 3$ cases of beer, and cheap gas. :lol:

Sharksbaja - 8-31-2007 at 01:52 PM

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What happened to US?

edit for quote

[Edited on 8-31-2007 by Sharksbaja]

Bajalero - 8-31-2007 at 01:53 PM

Just finished a round trip from Jamul to San Diego and back.

Used 94 both ways and I got to say it was the lightest traffic around town and on the highway I've seen in years.

I wonder if any of the news agencies will pick up on this fact and discuss the impact of an open border on traffic congestion in Socal

Hope they hold more protests to close the border :lol:

It's too...

The Gull - 8-31-2007 at 02:07 PM

damn hot to protest.

DENNIS - 8-31-2007 at 02:07 PM

Bajalero.......

From what I know about the 94, the Border Patrol are a large share of the traffic and, by far, the most dangerous. I used to live in Vita Springs Park, next to the AM-PM in Jamul.

DENNIS - 8-31-2007 at 02:09 PM

I'm protesting the heat.

oldlady - 8-31-2007 at 02:14 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
I'm protesting the heat.

To whom? I'll join.

Bajalero - 8-31-2007 at 03:05 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Bajalero.......

From what I know about the 94, the Border Patrol are a large share of the traffic and, by far, the most dangerous. I used to live in Vita Springs Park, next to the AM-PM in Jamul.

Dennis , you got that right . It's bad enough running the gauntlet of Mexicans in a hurry to and from Tecate without the BP adding to the mess. One about took me out at the Dulzura cafe corner while passing in a chase.

You'd think they'd just use Motorola

DENNIS - 8-31-2007 at 03:10 PM

They drive crazy on that road. They did some serious life-long damage to my neighbors son with their careless driving. I mean, what's the rush? Are they afraid they're all going after the last illegal?

Bajalero - 8-31-2007 at 03:35 PM

Sorry about your neighbors son. Their presence(BP) is necessary but they shouldn't be adversely affecting saftey themselves

94 between Tecate and Rancho San diego has to be one of the most dangerous stretches of road in the county if not the state.

They have long term plans to straighten and widen the whole section , it needs to be done . I considered moving out to the Potrero area , but wouldn't be able to handle a daily commute on that one

[Edited on 8-31-2007 by Bajalero]

Bajalero - 8-31-2007 at 03:37 PM

Good flush there Moderator

thanks

Images of the border shutdown

SUNDOG - 8-31-2007 at 03:40 PM

Images of the border shutdown
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/slideshow/news/14021482/detail.ht...

DENNIS - 8-31-2007 at 04:13 PM

And, if they get a casino in Jamul? It'll turn into Blood Alley.

......Ditto for the extermination

bajadogs - 8-31-2007 at 07:09 PM

I don't believe anything that comes through the copper wire anymore but a talking head just said that the teachers were fighting a 10 year increase in retirement age, not the 1 year as reported earlier.

Dennis, the 94 will be a deadly highway if (when) that casino's lights turn on.

DENNIS - 8-31-2007 at 07:12 PM

I heard that ten year number as well. I guess it's time for some serious research.

bajadogs - 8-31-2007 at 07:19 PM

If the 10 year retirement adjustment is true, I'm ashamed for not being there with them.

AND, if so, it's too bad we didn't know the fact beforehand.

DENNIS - 8-31-2007 at 07:23 PM

Seems like there are a lot of answers to the same question with this issue. It's going to take some digging. Wish I knew where to start.

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