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mtgoat666 - 8-15-2008 at 07:19 PM

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[Only a marooon does demolition via fire. Burning refuse and houses leaves a concentrated residue of metals and PAHs, and that soil is not something anyone should want in their yard. The future buyers of this property should insist on soil removal and testing to verify acceptable soil conditions before buying -- at least that's what we would do in the US, if buying a lot after a house fire. Future gringo buyers beware.

In the US, eviction is civilized -- landlords place the belongings on the street for residents to claim. There are laws against destroying peoples belongings during eviction. Of course, expecting civilized behaviour seems to be silly with the property owner in question.


i'll refrain from the niceties, goatee. that ain't the good 'ol US.

somebody stop me.....please!


:?: huh? :?::?:

why would someone buy or lease contaminated property in mexico, if they wouldn't do so in the US? neither pacifico nor tortillas don't protect you from lead poisoning.

why does someone think mexican's don't behave civily? my mexican friends do, and if they didn't they would not be friends, nor would i do business with them.

Mexicali_Kid - 8-15-2008 at 07:20 PM

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Originally posted by Santiago
Mexicali_Kid: What are squatter's rights in Mexico? What do they have to do and for how long in order to 'earn' those rights?
Thanks

Mexicali_Kid - 8-15-2008 at 07:21 PM

If someone is on your property for more than thirty days without your permission, watch out.

CaboRon - 8-15-2008 at 07:37 PM

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Originally posted by Mexicali_Kid
If someone is on your property for more than thirty days without your permission, watch out.


You mean the builder and his extended family that live on your property for four to six months ??

CaboRon

rakers - 8-15-2008 at 07:55 PM

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Originally posted by k-rico
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Originally posted by rakers
Whoa people!
luv the way some assume the facts.
We are former http://forums.bajanomad.com/images/smilies/no.gif
:no: residents of the arsonned beach -- the only ones there when the TWO WK evict notice arrived and were able to recup our investment, baja "treasures", and memories. Most of the others who work in the summer to be able to spend winters in their PA homes were not so lucky. but they had been in contact with owner and had WRITTEN and verbal assurances that security would be there until October when they could return.
Re: our "squatter" status: we had a written agreement with the owner as "lessees" and paid her rent for the land usually 6 months in advance. Those whose places were burned had paid their rent thru November. The notice we received in Nov 07 was that she "was likely" to sell the property but would give us "a fair term to evacuate". Don't think 2 weeks was fair -- that was the first notification. But after communications, she extended it to 6 weeks, then after attorneys were involved, she agreed to extend and provide security til Oct 15, 08/


rakers, thanks for the post. Has the property changed hands? If so, who are the new owners and was it the new or old owners who torched your houses?

rakers - 8-15-2008 at 08:00 PM

k-rico:
Have heard different stories about who is buying it or if it is really sold. There is evidently no official record that the beach is in escrow or sold. However, our best guess is that an American development co. located in Cabo who is building condos in San Carlos is the potential buyer. Imagine that the owner got a chunk of down payment $$ and doesn't get the remainder until all "squatters" are removed. She did return our prepaid rent when we moved out in June anyway.

Bruce R Leech - 8-15-2008 at 08:55 PM

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Originally posted by k-rico
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Originally posted by rakers
Whoa people!
luv the way some assume the facts.
We are former http://forums.bajanomad.com/images/smilies/no.gif
:no: residents of the arsonned beach -- the only ones there when the TWO WK evict notice arrived and were able to recup our investment, baja "treasures", and memories. Most of the others who work in the summer to be able to spend winters in their PA homes were not so lucky. but they had been in contact with owner and had WRITTEN and verbal assurances that security would be there until October when they could return.
Re: our "squatter" status: we had a written agreement with the owner as "lessees" and paid her rent for the land usually 6 months in advance. Those whose places were burned had paid their rent thru November. The notice we received in Nov 07 was that she "was likely" to sell the property but would give us "a fair term to evacuate". Don't think 2 weeks was fair -- that was the first notification. But after communications, she extended it to 6 weeks, then after attorneys were involved, she agreed to extend and provide security til Oct 15, 08/


rakers, thanks for the post. Has the property changed hands? If so, who are the new owners and was it the new or old owners who torched your houses?


no one will ever know who torched that place:light:

Since this was obviously a

Bajajack - 8-15-2008 at 09:16 PM

gringo encampment I'm sure the authorities are on top of it and are in process of launching a full and thorough investigation.:rolleyes:

TENGOMIEDO - 8-15-2008 at 10:00 PM

What are the names of the bad guys and where exactly do they live. Does anyone know this information.

loki - 8-15-2008 at 10:04 PM

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Originally posted by TENGOMIEDO
What are the names of the bad guys and where exactly do they live. Does anyone know this information.


Your kidding right.
The baddest bad guy was in state government until his 3 year term expired recently.There will be no names here.

In my earlier posting (page 2) I offered to take pix of this mess..........

CasaManzana - 8-15-2008 at 10:27 PM

.......this coming Saturday and post them. At this point, pictures have already been posted...so much for my Big Scoop.
In addition, I have been cautioned by two very trusted local folks/friends that I might be best to mind my own business.....I may not be welcome there right now by the beach owner and even by the local police in this heated state. One local lightly suggesed that the police might have been consulted before the fires begin.... supportive?... involved?...???
Bottom line, and thankful for local advice, I will keep my ear to the ground but will not walk on it until I feel it is safe.
News may not be at 11 afterall:cool:

tsgarcia69 - 8-15-2008 at 10:33 PM

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Originally posted by TENGOMIEDO
What are the names of the bad guys and where exactly do they live. Does anyone know this information.


Stroll into the immigration office is Santa Rosalia and ask Senior Ismael Cosio Ojeda who they are. If you make it back to the US alive, you can report their names to us. The Mexicans are driving out all the American and Canadian developers in the area with extortion demands and picking up their properties cheap.

The people who loki mentioned are just trying to stay under the radar. I wish them good luck.

David K - 8-15-2008 at 10:38 PM

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Originally posted by Bob and Susan
this is NOT true...

the owner notifed the RENTERS in NOVEMBER 2007

the renters chose not to move out...


Hi Bob & Susan,

I am wondering, did the renters tell you this or the land owner? Would so many of them just ignore the owner's demand and let their property be destroyed??? I can see a few may not have been able to pull out... but nearly all of them?

Burning structures and autos to the ground sure seems dramatic. Hauling them off or bulldozing them aside seems not nearly as violent an action. I wonder why the violence was deemed necessary, or do you think it was just a more primitive method that was employed?

Of course, as long as I have been going to Mexico I have heard the words said: "Never invest in Mexico more than you can afford to lose".

aha baja - 8-16-2008 at 01:30 AM

Seems so but karma transends borders and boundries.People tend to abuse power. Landlords,military and even people in the political arenas. Every despot will pay one way or another. If these people were displace without real notice for a timely bug-out, then it could be a case of "absolute power corrupting absolutely"

loki - 8-16-2008 at 06:30 AM

Bob and Susan,
Check your u2u.

ELINVESTIG8R - 8-16-2008 at 06:38 AM

This is no landlord tenant dispute! What's next? Killing people to get them off land someone wants to develop?

Cypress - 8-16-2008 at 06:55 AM

It sounds like the lady that owns the property was making an honest effort to deal fairly with the renters. According to post, she refunded money, gave extended time to remove personal property etc. I'm betting, 1. A hairbrained relative had one too many and thought he was being helpful. 2. One of the renters did it for insurance purposes. :no:

capt. mike - 8-16-2008 at 07:44 AM

Woody - the old Goat thinks this event happened at leave it to Beaver's house on father knows best lane in donna reed town.:smug::smug::smug:

he don't get it, this is mexico. rules? those are for ......... oh, its not worth the time...

mtgoat666 - 8-16-2008 at 08:23 AM

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Originally posted by capt. mike
Woody - the old Goat thinks this event happened at leave it to Beaver's house on father knows best lane in donna reed town.:smug::smug::smug:

he don't get it, this is mexico. rules? those are for ......... oh, its not worth the time...


no, i am in total agreement that mexico is a very violent place, and it aint mayberry rfd, and is in fact closer to columbia that US on the scale of violence. i also know that many mexicans are honest and abhor violence. you on the other hand think all mexicans are violent?

still, what american in their right mind would buy any lot after one of the previous owners (or maybe current owner) burned out the last tenant? the toxic soil is a problem, but more importantly the history of land disputes being solved by arson is more than enough infor to deter any future buyer from the property. in the future, one must assume that arson will be used again to solve disputes on this parcel. the future owners should run from this property, as their is a sociopath in the ownership chain. the new american owners won't have much luck selling their new resort properties if the arson story stays known.

David K - 8-16-2008 at 08:49 AM

What is with this 'toxic soil' stuff you keep bringing up goat?

Fires happen, houses burn down, and they are rebuilt... on the same site. I don't see anything special happening with the soil before the rebuild. You think Baja has a tougher building code than Calif.?

Bruce R Leech - 8-16-2008 at 09:01 AM

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Originally posted by Bajajack
gringo encampment I'm sure the authorities are on top of it and are in process of launching a full and thorough investigation.:rolleyes:



:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

mtgoat666 - 8-16-2008 at 09:20 AM

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Originally posted by David K
What is with this 'toxic soil' stuff you keep bringing up goat?

Fires happen, houses burn down, and they are rebuilt... on the same site. I don't see anything special happening with the soil before the rebuild. You think Baja has a tougher building code than Calif.?


dk:
building codes have nothing to do with it. informed buyers insist on clean soil/site after building fires.

paints and consumer products are full of metals -- prior to bans of lead in paint, the paint was up to 10% or more lead. paints today are still full of metals. fire leaves behing a lot of PAHs too.
fire takes stable materials and reduces it to fine grain material that is easily ingested ("dust" for you the layman).
burn sites are pretty foul, and informed people insist on cleanup of burn sites, even if there is no building code.
but, your a sceptic of science, like many, so expect you to dismiss it. but if you are raising kids, it's irresponsible to put your kids on contaminated soil for long term exposure.

bombero - 8-16-2008 at 09:34 AM

Mexico or USA. I.m told in nov 07 that I need to relocate very soon. Do i pay rent 12 months in advance ? Do i make no plans to move? Do i think I can stay as long as i want? If i even think about moving should I leave all the junk I dont want to remove, after all I paid no security or cleaning deposit! Maybe I,ll put my head in the sand and it will go away. I was told by a resident there last year that they they were on limited time on the beach. I believe they made some adjustments! If i want some rights as a leasee or with a bank trust I should also respect the rights of a land owner and their resonable request. "Arson" I,m not sure that was the answer, however it helps with the cleanup!

David K - 8-16-2008 at 09:34 AM

I am finally done with raising kids... (Sarah is 18 and moved out, Chris is 19 1/2, also moved out... I strated my new life with Baja Angel)

Isn't a concrete slab safe to build upon... I mean the fire burns what it will... then the slab is cleaned or replaced before new construction upon it.

Sounds like you are a Haz Mat specialist or in fire safety...?
Thanks for your concern... But, it sounds like you need to address the Mexican land owners and see if they intend on doing a proper clean up...

Bruce R Leech - 8-16-2008 at 10:13 AM

I will go with David on this one. after a normal house fire ware no unusual chemicals were stored all that is necessary is to rack up the debris and haul it off.

Lindalou - 8-16-2008 at 10:23 AM

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Originally posted by roundtuit
Bulldozer Never even seen a backhoe. Just a bunch of locals salvaging what the Gringos didn't take with them. In fact some of the materials the locals bought with cash from the gringos :?::?::?::?::?:
Yes, most of us that had anything worthwhile (we had a TT) sold everything to the Mexicans. We chose not to move to Cayote Bay or anywhere else around Mulege because we had already decided to move to Ensenada.

My two cents worth

thebajarunner - 8-16-2008 at 10:52 AM

I am a real estate developer, a "B" contractor and a licensed real estate broker (and I don't really do much in any of these areas these days)

My neighbors modular burned down last year (no, I did not set the fire, but I felt like it)

They got a back hoe, and a big dumpster and scraped off the debris, hosed off the slab, and have a permit to rebuild.

You certainly want to get rid of all the debris, the smell and the soot tracking alone would be a constant annoyance, but unless they had a meth lab or some exotic chemical issues, simply removing all the trash is sufficient.

Of course, every California community seems to be hiring those enviro-weenies that sit in a glass box and rule on all sorts of issues that they read about when they attended class at Berkeley. And then attend the conferences where they all come up with more ways to stifle progress....

Santiago - 8-16-2008 at 10:57 AM

RichnLinda: By "TT" I'm assuming you mean a travel trailer? Did you have it there for 12 months or did you haul it down with you each time? I'm assuming the trailer was gone at the time of the fire and that you have sold everything you did not want - is this right? When you say you chose not to move to Coyote Bay - was this offered by the old/new owners or outside of the current arraingement? And if you're willing to say, were you surprised at what happened?

Bruce R Leech - 8-16-2008 at 11:06 AM

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Originally posted by thebajarunner

Of course, every California community seems to be hiring those enviro-weenies that sit in a glass box and rule on all sorts of issues that they read about when they attended class at Berkeley. And then attend the conferences where they all come up with more ways to stifle progress....


you got that right:light:

you could not pay me to live in Ca.

tsgarcia69 - 8-16-2008 at 11:07 AM

Jeese, what's with all this NEGATIVE posting about Baja coming from the old-timers here? How is that guy who is advertising Mexican auto insurance at the top of this page going sell any insurance policies?

You'd better all switch to a discussion about fish tacos and how Baja is safer than the US before he pulls his advertising account.

p.s. The preceding was sarcasm.

Lindalou - 8-16-2008 at 11:16 AM

We had no fire. We leased the place from a couple that had lived there for 20 some years. The TT was already there. The couple we leased from and everyone else on the beach to my knowledge had quite a bit of notice. The owners of the beach did not charge any rent for at least the last 6 months or so. We sold everything and only lost a little (which was still a lot to me) We were not surprised but thought we would have a least another year or so.

Moving to Coyote bay would have been up to us. ( this was like a association you could not move there if this certain group did not want you, even though they had nothing to do with the leases, they are all very nice people so please don't take this the wrong way just keeping the beach clean :)) Several other people from Santispac moved there and asked us if we wanted to, they all had money and the fancier places so they just rebuilt. We couldn't afford to and we wanted to live where we could live year around weather wise. We now live in Punta Banda and like it here very much.

Cypress - 8-16-2008 at 11:22 AM

RichnLinda, Sorry to hear of your loss. Glad that thing's are working out for you. "TT"? Good luck with all.:)

tsgarcia69 - 8-16-2008 at 11:26 AM

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Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
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Originally posted by thebajarunner

Of course, every California community seems to be hiring those enviro-weenies that sit in a glass box and rule on all sorts of issues that they read about when they attended class at Berkeley. And then attend the conferences where they all come up with more ways to stifle progress....


you got that right:light:

you could not pay me to live in Ca.


You'd really like living in San Antonio Del Mar. There is a gully with raw sewage flowing into the ocean on the north end of the property and another on the south end. It's a little hard to deal with the smell on a warm day, but at least there are no enviro-weenies telling you not to live kneedeep in schitt.

Lindalou - 8-16-2008 at 11:34 AM

Sorry, TT, Travel Trailer. We now have a MH Motorhome with a toad. A car you tow behide you. LOL RV talk

Cypress - 8-16-2008 at 11:37 AM

RichnLinda, Thanks for the education.:yes:

From another forum

tsgarcia69 - 8-16-2008 at 01:59 PM

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Nearly 20 years of peaceful living at Playa Punta Arena, renting from Norma Fenech, formerly of Santa Rosalia, and now living in La Paz, and with security provided by Nacho Romo of Mulege, came to a violent, fiery end on August 12th when our palapa was criminally torched, along with every other palapa, travel trailers, boats, trailers, cars, propane refrigerators, solar systems, generators, fishing gear, waverunners, dune buggies, and 5th wheels. Each of our palapas was built by the homeowner, who rented their land from Norma Fenech.

We just negotiated a new rental increase for our lots in December 2006, at which time several of the homeowners spent thousands of dollars building new palapas, sombres, fences, banos, adding large pilas, etc. All of this was done following Norma Fenech's personal reassurance that the beach would not be sold for several years, and that there would be no further rent increases for at least 3 years.

By mid-May 2008 to early June 2008, each of us had closed up our palapas for the season and returned stateside. In mid to late June, Katyna Fenech, daughter of Norma Fenech, the beach owner, and also a resident of La Paz, began to telephone, email, or fax each owner, telling us that we had until July 15th to remove all of our belongings from our palapas, abandon our palapas, and get off the beach, because the beach had been sold. All of us had prepaid rents to Norma for several months and most through October, November, and December 2008, when we would return to the beach for the season. Returning to the beach only weeks after we had left was an impossibility, with many of us working until the fall. We hired La Paz attorney Bismark Ortega, who successfully represented Posada Concepcion homeowners in negotiating a new lease, and he met directly with the Fenech's in La Paz on our behalf. We made it clear that we were prepared to file suit in Santa Rosalia, if necessary, to assert our legal rights, and to deposit future rents with the Court instead of the Fenech's, until the suit was resolved. With threats that Norma Fenech would have Nacho Romo leave the beach on July 15th, leaving the beach with no security, we even arranged for our own security in his absence. When our new security arrived, we determined that Nacho was not leaving the beach. He said he was remaining through at least the end of October 2008, and Norma Fenech personally confirmed that he would remain.

By the end of July, with Nacho at his home at Punta Arena everyday, monitoring a gate entrance to the beach next to his home, every indication was that he would continue to provide security through the end of October as represented. Our new security left the beach after more than two weeks, and communications with Norma Fenech indicated that she would consider continued rental to us beyond 2008. Mr. Ortega, our attorney, also confirmed that there was no legal record of her being in contract to sell the beach property at this time.

On August 13th, we received word that all of our palapas had been torched to the ground. We immediatedly contacted Katyna Fenech by phone at her home in La Paz, and guess who was at her house: Nacho Romo, of Mulege, our beach security, employed by Norma Fenech! After removing his belongings, vehicles, dogs, wife, and personal belongings from his home at Playa Punta Arena, he traveled to La Paz on Tuesday, August 12th, leaving the beach unguarded. Norma has confirmed for years, that we were paying for security, because she provides no water or other services. How convenient that someone would know Nacho's schedule, know that no one else was at the beach, and torch every single palapa at Playa Punta Arena. Nothing was harmed at Naranjo, and the two new homes at Baja Illusions, at the other end of Playa Punta Arena, were not harmed. This was no propane leak accidental fire. Arson investigators have determined that each palapa was lit on fire in 3 or more locations. Green plants and trees between palapas were not burned. There was no strong wind. Even the stucco home of one of our neighbors, was set on fire from the inside. This was the work of arsonists. This is not how we planned to leave Playa Punta Arena. God Bless you and may the perpetrators, those who hired them, and those who enabled them, rot in Hell!

http://bajaforums.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3196024271/m/814105...

http://mulege.net/arena/

Cypress - 8-16-2008 at 02:15 PM

tsgarcia69, Thanks for your story.:o Hell is getting crowded, but there's always room for an arsonist or two. They're comfortable with fire.:biggrin: As long as it isn't toasting their burro.:biggrin:

Do you think this buyer got a good deal?

tsgarcia69 - 8-16-2008 at 03:09 PM

http://www.bajaquest.com/re500/

After what I've seen in

Bajajack - 8-16-2008 at 03:14 PM

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Originally posted by tsgarcia69
http://www.bajaquest.com/re500/
the last year you couldn't get me to take over the rent.

Two years ago I would have jumped on it.

Sharksbaja - 8-16-2008 at 03:28 PM

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The story?? Quite frankly David, true or not, I find it hard to give the story any credibility because the poster does not identify themself.

It was also their first post on that site.

Hey, if peoples places and stuff were torched and knew nothing of impending problems I concede that it's very wrong and I sympathize.

I would never condone malicious arson.

It seems there is info circulating that paints a different story however.

We will have to wait and see if any bonafide info surfaces.

[Edited on 8-19-2008 by BajaNomad]

Bruce R Leech - 8-16-2008 at 03:40 PM

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Originally posted by Sharksbaja
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Originally posted by ELINVESTI8
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The story?? Quite frankly David, true or not, I find it hard to give the story any credibility because the poster does not identify themself.

It was also their first post on that site.

Hey, if peoples places and stuff were torched and knew nothing of impending problems I concede that it's very wrong and I sympathize.

I would never condone malicious arson.

It seems there is info circulating that paints a different story however.

We will have to wait and see if any bonafide info surfaces.


I think Sharksbaja is going in the right direction here, we have posts from folks that do Identify themselves that are just the opposite point of view

[Edited on 8-19-2008 by BajaNomad]

Cypress - 8-16-2008 at 04:00 PM

To Bruce, Sharks and all those folks that didn't get burned out.:lol: Good luck!:biggrin: You're only a match away from the same thing. Just hope you don't get crossed up with the same crowd.

Bruce R Leech - 8-16-2008 at 04:17 PM

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Originally posted by tsgarcia69
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Originally posted by Sharksbaja
The story?? Quite frankly David, true or not, I find it hard to give the story any credibility because the poster does not identify themself.... We will have to wait and see if any bonafide info surfaces.


You and Bruce are hilarious. The person who posted that information identified himself as a renter at the property. He knew the full name of the property owner, the full name of the property owner's daughter, the name of the attorney they hired, the attorney's experience with other property problems in the area, and the name of the full time guard. He related specific facts of the ongoing negotiations, even knew where the landowner lived. And you think he is not credible because he didn't give his real name.

Meanwhile, other people who posted and who had absolutely no specifics, just some vague suppositions about what might have happened and that the property might have been sold are credible because they posted their name.

What a brain trust.


you are right we are all one match away from this. that is the way it is here. you need to learn how things work here and work with it that way you better your chances. if any one of these poor victims would have asked me should we hire a shyster and ply hard ball or should we set down and negotiate our problems I would have advised them to talk first and if that doesn't work pack up and leave.

Cypress - 8-16-2008 at 04:18 PM

tsgarcia69, Thanks for your insight on the this issue.:bounce: Anyone that wants to defend an arsonist is welcome to do so.:(

ELINVESTIG8R - 8-16-2008 at 04:29 PM

Wasn't there a Baja Nomad member that was murdered some years back. Something about a land dispute. This incident sure smells to high heaven to me. It does merit a full criminal investigation before someone gets murdered for greed sake.

palmeto99 - 8-16-2008 at 05:35 PM

I would accept the fact that anyone who thinks that they have any land rights in Baja based on a handshake or a questionable lease have this to look forward to in a dispute.
Mexico is a dangerous place to assume anything or trust any deal that does not involve title insurance and a title issued by the federal government :cool:.

Bruce R Leech - 8-16-2008 at 09:23 PM

Read the fine print in your title insurance policy. it wont help you a bit in Mexico.

aha baja - 8-16-2008 at 09:51 PM

Welcome to Napolionic Law.... you have no rights untill proven innocent...We are not only not concidered second class citizens...we are invisible non-citizen tourist/squatters.Let see if any unfortunate renter-lease holder can even take this thing to court. The land owner and developer problebly play golf with the judge. guess what... no checks and balances always win:fire:

Sharksbaja - 8-17-2008 at 12:03 AM

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Originally posted by Cypress
To Bruce, Sharks and all those folks that didn't get burned out.:lol: Good luck!:biggrin: You're only a match away from the same thing. Just hope you don't get crossed up with the same crowd.


And good luck to you too Cypress.;D
I can't think of anything to say that you would understand so........ nevermind :P:lol:

palmeto99 - 8-17-2008 at 07:31 AM

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Originally posted by Sharksbaja
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Originally posted by ELINVESTI8
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The story?? Quite frankly David, true or not, I find it hard to give the story any credibility because the poster does not identify themself.

It was also their first post on that site.

Hey, if peoples places and stuff were torched and knew nothing of impending problems I concede that it's very wrong and I sympathize.

I would never condone malicious arson.

It seems there is info circulating that paints a different story however.

We will have to wait and see if any bonafide info surfaces.




Still in denial about the goings on in your part of the aquarium Shark?
The stories true and anyone still leasing in Mulege can hear the clock ticking.
TICK TOCK TICK TOCK TICK TOCK:cool::cool::cool:

[Edited on 8-19-2008 by BajaNomad]

capt. mike - 8-17-2008 at 08:19 AM

i figured this note would IGNITE the SPARK for a FIRESTORM of contoversy.

bombero - 8-17-2008 at 09:35 AM

Mike, you thougjht this note would IGNITE the SPARK for a FIRESTORM of controversy about the ARSON?? Ithink so

Sharksbaja - 8-17-2008 at 11:45 AM

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Trolling for sharks today?:rolleyes:



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Originally posted by palmeto99


The story?? Quite frankly David, true or not, I find it hard to give the story any credibility because the poster does not identify themself.

It was also their first post on that site.

Hey, if peoples places and stuff were torched and knew nothing of impending problems I concede that it's very wrong and I sympathize.

I would never condone malicious arson.

It seems there is info circulating that paints a different story however.

We will have to wait and see if any bonafide info surfaces.




Still in denial about the goings on in your part of the aquarium Shark?
The stories true and anyone still leasing in Mulege can hear the clock ticking.
TICK TOCK TICK TOCK TICK TOCK:cool::cool::cool:



Where did I say it wasn't true. I call it as I see it. When someone posts like that anonomously I sure wonder if the facts are straight. You on the other hand believes it all.

That's your choice but your ongoing message remains the same. You hate people that rent/lease in Mulege. I guess that means you like nobody. What about Canucks?:lol:

Some of you folks are so eager to believe eveything you hear, no matter where it comes from if it fits the criteria you seek.
Once again you show off your mistrust for anything Mexican.
What are you there for?
Anyone willing to enter into a lease should realize the mistakes of plenty before them. If they want to lease, let them friggin' lease! It's their perogative.

Please don't tell me you actually care about others who have a place in Baja. You don't seem that friendly.

I ain't buying! (get it?)
:lol::lol::lol::lol::P

btw
Keep your condo doors locked Palmiester, there's bad guys EVERYWHERE!
:cool::cool::cool:

Cypress - 8-17-2008 at 12:21 PM

We ought to just get back to the facts. The property of various individuals was put to the torch.:O Is that an acceptable way to settle rental/lease disputes?:O Who did it? Could have been done by the folks whose belongings were burned? Insurance payouts are better than nothing. Mulege is a fine community, full of great people that don't consider arson as a way of doing business.:D

In a Mexican court...

Dave - 8-17-2008 at 01:08 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress
Who did it? Could have been done by the folks whose belongings were burned?


This could work.

TENGOMIEDO - 8-17-2008 at 01:11 PM

You peple who pay the berners are in so troble.

comitan - 8-17-2008 at 01:23 PM

Hate to tell you this but this is the way its done in Mexico, have seen it done on a mainland beach with the police looking on. The story was it goes back when the land was redistributed the original owners before redistribution wanted their land back and had the money to pay the right people.

Cypress - 8-17-2008 at 01:29 PM

TENGOMIEDO, Welcome aboard.:D Paying the burners? We're listening.:?:

TENGOMIEDO - 8-17-2008 at 02:02 PM

I only say bad persons they in troble

vandenberg - 8-17-2008 at 02:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by TENGOMIEDO
I only say bad persons they in troble



TROBLE DOBLE

Cute.:biggrin::biggrin:

vandenberg - 8-17-2008 at 02:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Cypress
TENGOMIEDO, Welcome aboard.:D Paying the burners? We're listening.:?:


Cypress,
What's with all these comments of wisdom ?
If I remember right, you were the guy that decided that investing in Mulege was against your better judgment.
But, to each his own. Now you are apparently sick, or caught up in the usual sh*tty weather up north and find nothing better to do then clutter the board with a lot of nonsense.
Or are you just trying to run up your post count.:no::?:

palmeto99 - 8-17-2008 at 02:27 PM

ouch.. touchy touchy:cool:

Cypress - 8-17-2008 at 03:07 PM

vandenburg, Your memory is correct:)In your opinion I'm cluttering up the board? Going for some sort of post count?Thanks. :(

palmeto99 - 8-17-2008 at 03:33 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by Sharksbaja
Trolling for sharks today?:rolleyes:



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Originally posted by palmeto99


The story?? Quite frankly David, true or not, I find it hard to give the story any credibility because the poster does not identify themself.

It was also their first post on that site.

Hey, if peoples places and stuff were torched and knew nothing of impending problems I concede that it's very wrong and I sympathize.

I would never condone malicious arson.

It seems there is info circulating that paints a different story however.

We will have to wait and see if any bonafide info surfaces.




Still in denial about the goings on in your part of the aquarium Shark?
The stories true and anyone still leasing in Mulege can hear the clock ticking.
TICK TOCK TICK TOCK TICK TOCK:cool::cool::cool:



Where did I say it wasn't true. I call it as I see it. When someone posts like that anonomously I sure wonder if the facts are straight. You on the other hand believes it all.

That's your choice but your ongoing message remains the same. You hate people that rent/lease in Mulege. I guess that means you like nobody. What about Canucks?:lol:

Some of you folks are so eager to believe eveything you hear, no matter where it comes from if it fits the criteria you seek.
Once again you show off your mistrust for anything Mexican.
What are you there for?
Anyone willing to enter into a lease should realize the mistakes of plenty before them. If they want to lease, let them friggin' lease! It's their perogative.

Please don't tell me you actually care about others who have a place in Baja. You don't seem that friendly.

I ain't buying! (get it?)
:lol::lol::lol::lol::P

btw
Keep your condo doors locked Palmiester, there's bad guys EVERYWHERE!
:cool::cool::cool:





I have a house on the water, not a condo. There is a difference between an aquarium and a goldfish bowl.
You as a water based creature should know that.
I also love all the peoples of the board and wish them good luck in all their adventures.:cool:

TENGOMIEDO - 8-17-2008 at 04:34 PM

I wan da bad peple in troble wit da policia

Bruce R Leech - 8-17-2008 at 04:42 PM

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Originally posted by TENGOMIEDO
I wan da bad peple in troble wit da policia


come back we want to talk to you:lol::lol::lol:

palmeto99 - 8-17-2008 at 04:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by TENGOMIEDO
I wan da bad peple in troble wit da policia



Welcome to the board. Why dont you pull up a chair and tell us all about yourself. Where in Baja do you live and why do you love the Baja. Please tell us:cool::cool::cool::cool:

CaboRon - 8-17-2008 at 04:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by TENGOMIEDO
I wan da bad peple in troble wit da policia


:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

This is a joke post , right ??

[Edited on 8-17-2008 by CaboRon]

Bruce R Leech - 8-17-2008 at 05:11 PM

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Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
Quote:
Originally posted by tsgarcia69
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Originally posted by Sharksbaja
The story?? Quite frankly David, true or not, I find it hard to give the story any credibility because the poster does not identify themself.... We will have to wait and see if any bonafide info surfaces.


You and Bruce are hilarious. The person who posted that information identified himself as a renter at the property. He knew the full name of the property owner, the full name of the property owner's daughter, the name of the attorney they hired, the attorney's experience with other property problems in the area, and the name of the full time guard. He related specific facts of the ongoing negotiations, even knew where the landowner lived. And you think he is not credible because he didn't give his real name.

Meanwhile, other people who posted and who had absolutely no specifics, just some vague suppositions about what might have happened and that the property might have been sold are credible because they posted their name.

What a brain trust.


you are right we are all one match away from this. that is the way it is here. you need to learn how things work here and work with it that way you better your chances. if any one of these poor victims would have asked me should we hire a shyster and ply hard ball or should we set down and negotiate our problems I would have advised them to talk first and if that doesn't work pack up and leave.


this post is a corection

in my quote above I used the word Shyster. this is a word that I often use when I refer to any Lawyer. it was not directed at the Lawyer that was hired in this case. I do not know him and he is probably a very fine person.

Sharksbaja - 8-17-2008 at 05:17 PM

Metaphors are great!

Methinks aquariums and fish bowls are much the same as a prison with a 360° view!

Good to hear you bought your property. Not ejido right?
:lol:
Yer spot-on with your assessment of brotherly love here tho.

palmeto99 - 8-17-2008 at 06:08 PM

Its all about brotherly love and peace in our time.

Give peace a chance my man.:cool:

ELINVESTIG8R - 8-17-2008 at 06:27 PM


Sharksbaja - 8-17-2008 at 06:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by palmeto99
Its all about brotherly love and peace in our time.

Give peace a chance my man.:cool:


Man, I'm all for that!!

TENGOMIEDO - 8-18-2008 at 05:36 AM

i wish i can fine thes peple so thy be punich by juge

vandenberg - 8-18-2008 at 07:19 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by TENGOMIEDO
i wish i can fine thes peple so thy be punich by juge



If you're trying to sound like an idiot, well, you have succeeded.:biggrin:

Don Alley - 8-18-2008 at 07:39 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by vandenberg
Quote:
Originally posted by TENGOMIEDO
i wish i can fine thes peple so thy be punich by juge



If you're trying to sound like an idiot, well, you have succeeded.:biggrin:


Bruce R Leech - 8-18-2008 at 07:51 AM

TENGOMIEDO in all fairness do you know, or can you add something to this thread. you sound like a person that can help us further understand what happened here.

shari - 8-18-2008 at 08:12 AM

In all fairness, I do believe tengomiedo is faking the mexican spelling...and not very well either...nice try though....ya can fool some of the people some of the time.

Bruce R Leech - 8-18-2008 at 08:16 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by shari
In all fairness, I do believe tengomiedo is faking the mexican spelling...and not very well either...nice try though....ya can fool some of the people some of the time.


that could be, but if your guess is wrong you just made a big fool of yourself. why not give him a chance?:light:

mtgoat666 - 8-18-2008 at 09:14 AM

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Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
Quote:
Originally posted by shari
In all fairness, I do believe tengomiedo is faking the mexican spelling...and not very well either...nice try though....ya can fool some of the people some of the time.


that could be, but if your guess is wrong you just made a big fool of yourself. why not give him a chance?:light:


me thinks tengomiedo is palmeto99. tengomiedo is definitely spoofing the bad spelling, and he's not particularly funny.

tripledigitken - 8-18-2008 at 09:29 AM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
me thinks tengomiedo is palmeto99.


Or Fulano?

I theeenk maybee

Dave - 8-18-2008 at 12:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by shari
In all fairness, I do believe tengomiedo is faking the mexican spelling...and not very well either...nice try though....ya can fool some of the people some of the time.


posted on 8-12-08 at 01:35 pm

Quote:
Originally posted by TENGOMIEDO
Oh my goodness this is a scary place.


posted on 8-18-08 at 04:36 am

Quote:
Originally posted by TENGOMIEDO
i wish i can fine thes peple so thy be punich by juge

Terry28 - 8-18-2008 at 01:16 PM

You can fool some of the people all of the time.......concentrate on them!!

Sharksbaja - 8-18-2008 at 02:03 PM

good greef.................. yup, reel scairy!:lol:

Udo - 8-18-2008 at 02:09 PM

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Originally posted by tripledigitken
Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666
me thinks tengomiedo is palmeto99.


Or Fulano?


Quote:
I't not fulano. He's been out of the loop because of surgery.

Cypress - 8-18-2008 at 02:23 PM

I share TENGOMIEDO's sentiments.:bounce: His written English is way better than my written Spanish.:tumble: What's wrong with wanting the arsonists caught and punished?:) Is he a joker? He's in good company, this is a humorous crowd.:):tumble:

palmeto99 - 8-18-2008 at 07:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666
Quote:
Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
Quote:
Originally posted by shari
In all fairness, I do believe tengomiedo is faking the mexican spelling...and not very well either...nice try though....ya can fool some of the people some of the time.


that could be, but if your guess is wrong you just made a big fool of yourself. why not give him a chance?:light:


me thinks tengomiedo is palmeto99. tengomiedo is definitely spoofing the bad spelling, and he's not particularly funny.


Hey,
If I post, I do it under my name. Get a life goat.

:cool:

tripledigitken - 8-21-2008 at 08:53 AM

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Originally posted by udowinkler
Quote:
Originally posted by tripledigitken
Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666
me thinks tengomiedo is palmeto99.


Or Fulano?


Quote:
I't not fulano. He's been out of the loop because of surgery.


Udo,

FYI, just read a post by Fulano on "Maggies Madness" blog dated 8/18/08, so he's made a speedie recovery.

Ken

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