BajaNomad - Mulege Flash Flood 8/25/08

Mulege Flash Flood 8/25/08

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KurtG - 8-30-2008 at 08:18 PM

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Originally posted by Estrella
Have not heard much on how the south side of the river fared. We were wondering how the road and businesses held up on the way to the Light House. Also how is Manuel Romero's Huerta Don Chanos property? There had been so much work done on the road in that area. Any information will be much appreciated!

I got an email from Manuel yesterday, he reported only about two inches of water in his houses facing the river. They are a little more elevated than houses on the south side. Manuel said he and his family were all well.

Bruce R Leech - 8-30-2008 at 09:50 PM

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would that not be on the north side? :?:

Mulege North River Road and Environs

Mulegena - 8-30-2008 at 11:33 PM

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The North River Road has been passable since the flood. There was some wind damage to homes on Loma Azul during the storm unfortunately.

The extended family in Huerta Don Chano are all fine, I believe. There is still time to get homemade spiced mango preserves from them (Christmas presents?) Less flooding and erosion than two years ago. The road, funky as it is, stayed where it was put-- didn't end up on the front doorsteps.

Gringo's is wet, of course, but drying out like everyone else in town it seems.

Pancho Villa's has remained open since the flood; the family is well.

El Patron was open for limited service post-flood and provided a full dinner service tonight. Our favorite place.

The sandy berm path from El Patron to the Lighthouse has changed (again) but is drivable.

Coming home tonight, the road seemed less bumpy and actually drier than most times of high tide this summer.

We enjoyed our evening adventure to El Faro under the Milky Way.

There is still a possibility of more water coming down the river tonight as rain occurred in the sierras today. The town is prepared.

Thanks for asking. :saint:

Sharksbaja - 8-31-2008 at 12:09 AM

What great news to come home to.Every day I hear more good positive news. You are a great Nomad! :lol:

Thank you for caring and sharing Mulegena.

Bob and Susan - 8-31-2008 at 06:08 AM

no...we're done with rain...

we got our normal 4 days already :lol:

Bajagypsy - 8-31-2008 at 07:26 AM

Mulegena, glad to here things are getting better, you know that us gypsy's are thinking of you and yours all the time. Hopefully, this is it for this year, but I know you guys are strong, and will combat, anything that comes your way. If you need anything, please let us know.

Todd, Allii, Conner, Kaylee, Greg, Simon and all the dogs.

[Edited on 8-31-2008 by Bajagypsy]

bajaden - 8-31-2008 at 01:00 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
My Heart goes to all in Mulege who suffered yet another Loss.
I will be coming down the first week of Oct. and can bring some Items of Need. Please let me know via u2u/
Will be loaded with Warm clothes for the Kids out of Constitution,but will have some room.

Good Folks of Loreto. I started in Loreto in 1967, been to Mulege many times. Recently I came down and spent time in Mulege and came to like it very Much. It reminded me of Loreto 30 years ago, Good People, laid Back, good Fishing.

Loreto has been ruined for me due to the Idiot Americans and Canadians that have moved there in the past few Years.

It is strange that so many Odd Ball Nuts can survive among People who Love to Adventure, can accept a short term set back, recover and go on with their Life--Much better that the Whine, belly aching, no risk taking Mouthballs that can only Talk and can never DO! Anything but TALK!

God Bless you All!

Skeet/Loreto

Please earmark all your donations for the Mexicans. The americans on the river do not need donations. :cool:

I used to live on the river in Mulege. I lost everything I had in John. My wife and I live on a limited income, which no one would call rich. It took every dime we had to replace what we lost. I know a lot of the people who live on the river, and they're good people. They're caring people.

You have the right to disagree with their decision to live on the river, and in the spirit of free speech, the right to express your opioion. But there is such a thing as common decency and respect for our fellow man. If your goal in life is to be thought of as a contentious, arrogant @ss, you have accomplished that.

I suspect that as a young man, you probably tortured dogs and cats and other creatures unable to protect themselves from you. You are, in other words, a stinking coward who sits behind his computer and takes glee at the misfortune of others. I suggest you come down to Mulege and go into Scottys and expess these same sentiments there. I personally would be willing to have a discussion with you. Just let me know of your arrival date.

bajaden - 8-31-2008 at 01:05 PM

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Originally posted by Sharksbaja
What great news to come home to.Every day I hear more good positive news. You are a great Nomad! :lol:

Thank you for caring and sharing Mulegena.

Hola Sharky. I haven't posted in while, but still read on the fourm. I want to express my sympathy to you and all the other people on the river. I ran into Jimmy Chistopher and he told me he had around 2 feet in his house. Anything I can do to help, just let me know.

vgabndo - 8-31-2008 at 01:21 PM

What with the nut cases (Palm and Skeet) doing their best to destroy this thread, I doubt that anyone with any good information is still reading, but...

I've e-mailed everyone I know from San Nicolas and no one has any information beyond that that came immediately after the storm. Manuel Espino was not able to get to the village because the road from the highway was out.

Does anyone from the the south end of the bahia have any knowledge of conditions now, or have any interest in making a day trip to find out how our friends fared, and maybe even something about the highest water levels.

Thanks.

Peace and blessings to all who are suffering. Perry

Cypress - 8-31-2008 at 01:23 PM

It's a sad situation. :no:

My heart goes out to everybody impacted by the Julio flood.

Many of 'em haven't fully recovered from John. It's not gonna be easy, but nothing worthwhile is. Good luck.

Sharksbaja - 8-31-2008 at 03:17 PM

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What great news to come home to.Every day I hear more good positive news. You are a great Nomad! :lol:

Thank you for caring and sharing Mulegena.

What a nice treat to hear from you Den! So much has changed in the last two years here as well as there. I see you are in Ensenada, yes?

It was such a bummer that you were wiped out in Mulege. You are just the sort of folks that makes a community strong.

We''ll be at this for a while I suspect. We were holding off refurnishing since "John". I guess we now know why.

As far as helping out, good on you. Not a whole lotta crys for stuff out there yet but I hope that news may filter in.

Missed your upbeat attitude amigo. I'd like to see you partake more. Are there sharks in the water?? Hell yes!! Arrrghhh! :lol:

Thanks one more time.

bajaden - 8-31-2008 at 03:40 PM

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Originally posted by bajaden

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Originally posted by Sharksbaja
What great news to come home to.Every day I hear more good positive news. You are a great Nomad! :lol:

Thank you for caring and sharing Mulegena.

Thanks one more time.

Thanks Sharky.. I hope your new wall and gate survived the latest storm. It looked better than the original. I just moved up here last Nov. I lived in Loma Azul for about a year after John. I would still be there except for my wife not being able to take the heat.

I may live in Ensenada, but my heart will always be in Mulege. I'll try to post once in a while. Just for you. :lol:

By the way. If you need a rest stop on the way down, your welcome here. We have three bedrooms. Just PM me and I'll give you my phone number.

mulegemichael - 9-3-2008 at 09:32 AM

We just got back from mulege late last night. Our casa is in the oasis and we were able, with a crew of 10 local, wonderful, hard working, honest, fun guys, clean our entire place up in 4 long, hot, stinking, mosquito bitten days...others are not so lucky and many folks are just shell shocked..we heard wailings of despair throughout the day and night...so sad for the folks that are just recovering from the last P-nche chubasco. We had a locals party at the Jungle on Monday night and everyone seemed to be in good spirits...so good, in fact, that most folks got pretty hammered, including myself. On another note, there are some bandito "fake" insurance adjusters wandering around asking for money up front. Cuidado!...theyre out there...

Bob H - 9-3-2008 at 10:24 AM

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Originally posted by Mulegena

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Great news on some fantastic places to visit.
Thanks for the update.
Bob H

10-day post-flood report

Mulegena - 9-3-2008 at 10:51 PM

The good people of Mulege are pro-actively preventing disease by complying with the strict mandates issued by the Mexican Dept. of Health. Representatives from the Department of Sanitation have been to all neighborhoods.

There is no standing water. Mosquitos are no more abundant than expected this time of year. Garbage in town and in The Oasis is being collected daily as I assume is happening in the other river habitations.

Restaurants must meet heightened sanitation measures by keeping their street doors closed and kitchen doors closed at all times. Street-food vendors must move indoors or suspend business for a specified duration.

The local police are entertaining a zero-tolerance of trespassing, looting or thievery.

A spirit of cooperation saw members of all the town's businesses gather together and voluntarily sweep the streets of the business district completely of all dirt.

The Governor's Ministers from La Paz, the capitol, and from the Municipality of Mulege, that is the pueblo and county, are engaging in on-going meetings to consider the problems we face.

Water and electricity is now consistently available in all communities and neighborhoods.

The most pressing negative thing I can report right now is the fact that the little road that spanned the river under the highway in town has been completely backfilled with dirt and tamped down. In my estimation this effectively chokes the river disallowing flow from the sierras and natural cenotes to the sea. Perhaps this is only a stop-gap measure to allow traffic from one side of the river to the other; if it becomes a permanent "fix" it is sure to fail and do untold harm.

We rode our quad out through the westside, The Valley as its known. The graders have worked hard to restore the roads to the ranches. There is one place in the south-eastern quarter of the valley where the road has been gouged out 10-feet deep. There is debris in the surrounding trees 15 feet high.

This storm was much shorter in duration and carried much less water, I believe, than that which did damage during Hurricane John. Because of this and other indications my concern is that the valley and the river will evolve into a marshland.

It is my hope that the Governor will authorize an environmental study of this area and will continue to work to affect measures that will modify this devastation which will be visited upon us again unless we act.

Small Bridge, Attitude in Camp

EngineerMike - 9-4-2008 at 07:41 AM

Met w/the Delegado & a state engineer yesterday (or was it Tue?) about fixing the low bridge. They will use plastic culvert sections this time so the pipe won't rot out, and hopefully a lower profile to the road so flooding won't wreck it out as easily. This assumes the budget is approved. In the mean time they have a temporary fill they will put in to restore traffic efficiency.

Meanwhile, I hear a few rumblings about pulling up stakes, but mostly after the first 36 hours (the shell shock period of what do I touch first), folks turn to what can I do to help a neighbor, and how can I build a better (flood resistant) mouse trap. I haven't heard much from the Orchard; hope things are progressing well there.

mulegemichael - 9-4-2008 at 08:18 AM

mulegena...the folks down by the serenidad will disagree with you regarding "no standing water" and not many mosquitos...i was down there on my quad a couple of days ago and there's a huge lake on the land adjacent to the hotel and CLOUDS of mosquitos...they are REALLY bad early in the morning and in the afternoon.....i would advise anyone going outside to lather down with repellent....they were even getting bad at my casa in the oasis by the time we left on tuesday....it's important to err to the side of caution, methinks

Bob and Susan - 9-4-2008 at 09:16 AM

there is some mosquitoes for sure...but...

alot of those "clouds" of bugs are midges...

they breed in the mud and do not need standing water...

they dont bite...look like mosquitoes and are a pain

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LancairDriver - 9-4-2008 at 09:27 AM

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Originally posted by mulegemichael
mulegena...the folks down by the serenidad will disagree with you regarding "no standing water" and not many mosquitos...i was down there on my quad a couple of days ago and there's a huge lake on the land adjacent to the hotel and CLOUDS of mosquitos...they are REALLY bad early in the morning and in the afternoon.....i would advise anyone going outside to lather down with repellent....they were even getting bad at my casa in the oasis by the time we left on tuesday....it's important to err to the side of caution, methinks

Michael- When you say standing water adjacent to the Sirenidad, do you mean to the east of the landing strip and hotel, or to the west of the hotel behind the large bed and breakfast house? Owned by Lena and Christian I believe.

mulegemichael - 9-4-2008 at 10:07 AM

There was lots of water at both places a couple of days ago but it had dropped considerably in the time we were down there...still, right now, it's mosquito soup...can't sit at the bar at the hotel without getting eaten alive

rpleger - 9-4-2008 at 01:01 PM

We now have a road grader cleaning up in Villa Maria Isabel's park...management has jumped in and addressed the concerns of the tenants...almost back to normal...
Town is normal again...breakfast at Pancho Villas on the north river road...Hot and humid...hope that is the worst storm this year...
Like I said...almost normal

bajajudy - 9-14-2008 at 11:56 AM

Just watching the footage on Galveston and thinking about building on stilts....sure didnt work there. There are many places where nothing but the stilts are left.

Of course, it is hard to imagine a surge of this magnitude hitting Mulege but a flash flood could probably have the same affect.

howat - 9-15-2008 at 11:35 AM

When i lived in Puerto Rico for a few years back in 1981, I rented a house that was a concrete bunker. It was located in the ocean front 200+ housing development of Dorado Del Mar. It had poured thick concrete walls, flat concrete roof, hurricane louvered windows and tile floors. Nothing could hurt that home. Only the furniture and throw rugs could be damaged. This was a typical house design throughout the island of Puerto Rico. In fact i do not have any memory of a house on stilts there. Thought the home was an odd design until we went thru our 1st hurricane.

Dennis

[Edited on 9-15-2008 by howat]

Cypress - 9-15-2008 at 02:36 PM

A house on stilts will survive a flood similar to what occurs along the river in Mulege. A beach front home on stilts facing the ocean will be lifted off it's foundation when the storm surge/tide/waves etc. rise above floor height.

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