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TIGER WOODS' BAJA DEVELOPMENT

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Bronco - 2-11-2009 at 01:39 PM

"Texas-based developer Brady Oman pledges nothing will reach the ocean, except for a few errant golf shots. In a recent interview, Oman said the company is committed to keeping the $100 million project as environmentally friendly as possible." du da du da and a chicken/pollo in every pot.

Has anyone noticed all the condo monoloiths from TJ south.

I have gone in as a buyer and gotta tell ya it's a joke!

Has anyone noticed all the condo monoliths’ from TJ south.

All come with septic systems, fresh H20 and of course if you have a fire, our "Bomberos" with a 20 story hook and ladder, paramedics in every town. Defibrillators in hand and IV drip at the ready.

If ya wanna play golf without the "trashy folk" go buy an island in Borneo. All natural, isolated and exclusive.

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[Edited on 2/11/2009 by Bronco]

Moika - 2-18-2009 at 11:25 PM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
I used to hear this same analysis of how the oil platforms off Santa Barbara were going kill the marine life there too. Ever been out to one? I have been - lots of times.

Some of the best fishing I have ever done has been off the lower decks of Platform Heritage. Just have to be careful not to get in the way of all the sea lions down there sunning themselves...

:lol:

About those oil platforms, check this out:

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/feb/18/ca-oil-sp...

Enjoy!!

BajaGringo - 2-18-2009 at 11:39 PM

I read the article. It wasn't an oil spill. No crude oil went into the water. It was a leak from a deck sump tank that collects desk wash water and lube drains from onboard equipment. Fishing boats around Channel Islands put more sump grease in the water on a daily basis than what this article talks about.

On a side note, the platforms have relieved the pressure of oil below the ocean floor and much of the natural seepage that went on for centuries has been greatly reduced or stopped. How else do you think the Indians coated their canoes with "tar" back when? As a boy in Long Beach back in the 60's I remember coming home with black feet from the oil on the beach. Once they put the THUMS Islands in and started drilling, the seep stopped and today the beaches show no signs of oil along the south bay...

:rolleyes:

Indians,tar and the 60's????

Bronco - 2-19-2009 at 08:10 AM

How about the sewage plants that are non existent from TJ south. Will there be trash compactors or will the trash be hauled to the La Jolla dump site. Where will the energy come from that seems to fail frequently. Will propane trucks drive around honking their horns. Followed by the fosia trucks.

How will major fires be handled, again the infrastructure is just not here to support golf course.

You seem to have a vested interest in this development, very curious.

BajaGringo - 2-19-2009 at 09:57 AM

Nope. I just get tired of folks looking all over trying to find any argument possible to stop any development. I agree that much of the development on Baja was fueled by poorly planned and underfunded investors. I have looked at this project and to me it doesn't fall in that category.

Not only will I never make a penny off this development, I can only dream of ever playing it. My point is that let's just use real arguments baased in fact. Show me something that makes sense and I will jump on board with you...

movinguy - 2-19-2009 at 05:12 PM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
Not only will I never make a penny off this development, I can only dream of ever playing it.

Hey BG - I bet between the two of us we can find the right people to kiss up to - stay tuned . . . :cool:

elgatoloco - 2-19-2009 at 05:22 PM

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Originally posted by movinguy

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
Not only will I never make a penny off this development, I can only dream of ever playing it.

Hey BG - I bet between the two of us we can find the right people to kiss up to - stay tuned . . . :cool:

When you make that connection you will need a fourth. :saint:

Moika - 2-19-2009 at 06:15 PM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
I read the article. It wasn't an oil spill. No crude oil went into the water. It was a leak from a deck sump tank that collects desk wash water and lube drains from onboard equipment. Fishing boats around Channel Islands put more sump grease in the water on a daily basis than what this article talks about.

On a side note, the platforms have relieved the pressure of oil below the ocean floor and much of the natural seepage that went on for centuries has been greatly reduced or stopped. How else do you think the Indians coated their canoes with "tar" back when? As a boy in Long Beach back in the 60's I remember coming home with black feet from the oil on the beach. Once they put the THUMS Islands in and started drilling, the seep stopped and today the beaches show no signs of oil along the south bay...

:rolleyes:

Thanks for the info about the canoes!! Have you heard about the recent findings at La Brea Tar Pits?

Bye!

Moika - 2-19-2009 at 07:08 PM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
Nope. I just get tired of folks looking all over trying to find any argument possible to stop any development. I agree that much of the development on Baja was fueled by poorly planned and underfunded investors. I have looked at this project and to me it doesn't fall in that category.

Not only will I never make a penny off this development, I can only dream of ever playing it. My point is that let's just use real arguments baased in fact. Show me something that makes sense and I will jump on board with you...

Oh!! I just read your most recent comment...

Is that what you though I was trying to do?? Pity...

No, I don’t need to invent arguments or manipulate information, I just though that this piece of information would be of interest for you since you mentioned those oil platforms. On the other hand, this is my fault because THIS specific forum was created for the discussion of the Punta Brava project. For that I apologize!!.

There are three possibilities for this project: a) to be totally approved by SEMARNAT and INAH; b) to be conditioned to meet or fulfill the observations and requirements that we made (which seems to be the case) and; c) to be totally rejected. What do I think? I think that the project would be approved once they meet those conditions and requirements UNLESS the promoters just pretend that they are working on those issues (and this is my fear, because, so far, they have not shown eagerness to seriously deal with these matters). I have thoroughly read their MIA (Environmental Impact Manifest) and I found inconsistencies, lack of information on certain subjects, omissions (on the cultural resources of the area) and a lot of wishful thinking (instead of science) in the part of rescue, restoration and conservation of the ecosystem. This is aggravated for the tendency of Mexican authorities to look to the other way or to be benevolent to this kind of projects and not do their job, in spite of Law and specific regulations. Honoring the truth, they did not invent and introduce corruption and simulation to Mexico, but they certainly know what and how to pull the strings in order to get away with their plans.

Since this Punta Banda issue is very complex, I would say that so far it seems that we (the citizens that got involved) have accomplished something, but we need to keep pushing the authorities to compel them to do their job. In the meantime, we are still waiting to see if the promoters are really bona fide and honor their given word…

BajaGringo - 2-19-2009 at 07:31 PM

Don't get me wrong Moika - I am not trying to pick a fight. I would be the first one to agree that there are many poor developments in Baja for various reasons. Even this one doesn't make sense to me in some ways. But that is because they are marketing to a group I could never ever begin to relate to. I looked at the players involved at the project, was able to get a tour of the property only because I am lucky to know some people who really have some political-economic pull in Baja and even was allowed to hit a few balls from what will be the 17th tee box over the water to a flag marking what will be the 17th green. That is as close as I will ever get to even dream of being involved with this project in any way.

Common sense tells me that with Tiger's name, the course layout (it is fantastic) and the deep pockets financing it that it will be a success. A success that we will probably never know much about because of its nature but a success for those promoting it.

I could be wrong. My crystal ball is old and cracked. If so I will be the very first to stand up and admit it. It's no big deal to me. God knows that there is almost nothing that 100% of Nomads agree on...

:rolleyes:

[Edited on 2-20-2009 by BajaGringo]

BajaGringo - 2-19-2009 at 07:32 PM

And what happened at the La Brea tar pits???? I haven't been there since I was a kid...

CaboRon - 2-19-2009 at 07:57 PM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
And what happened at the La Brea tar pits???? I haven't been there since I was a kid...

They have been unearthing a large grouping of fossels, including an almost complete mamoth skeleton, in a parking lot next to the center.

CaboRon

woody with a view - 2-19-2009 at 08:44 PM

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Common sense tells me that with Tiger's name, the course layout (it is fantastic) and the deep pockets financing it that it will be a success. A success that we will probably never know much about because of its nature but a success for those promoting it.

eh, Gringo! can you define success a little better, please? more so than, "the culero with the most toys wins..."

Moika - 2-19-2009 at 11:15 PM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
Don't get me wrong Moika - I am not trying to pick a fight. I would be the first one to agree that there are many poor developments in Baja for various reasons. Even this one doesn't make sense to me in some ways. But that is because they are marketing to a group I could never ever begin to relate to. I looked at the players involved at the project, was able to get a tour of the property only because I am lucky to know some people who really have some political-economic pull in Baja and even was allowed to hit a few balls from what will be the 17th tee box over the water to a flag marking what will be the 17th green. That is as close as I will ever get to even dream of being involved with this project in any way.

Common sense tells me that with Tiger's name, the course layout (it is fantastic) and the deep pockets financing it that it will be a success. A success that we will probably never know much about because of its nature but a success for those promoting it.

I could be wrong. My crystal ball is old and cracked. If so I will be the very first to stand up and admit it. It's no big deal to me. God knows that there is almost nothing that 100% of Nomads agree on...

:rolleyes:

[Edited on 2-20-2009 by BajaGringo]

I want to thank you for your opinions because they make me think and consider all this issue from different perspectives.

I agree with you!! They have very deep pockets financing the poject and it could be a great succes for them from the profitable point of view... I doesn´t mean that I endorse neither agree with the proposal and site choosen to develop it...

And, yes!! A lot of fossils have been found at La Brea!!

Check:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/02/090218090539.ht...

Enjoy!!

BajaGringo - 2-20-2009 at 01:56 AM

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Originally posted by woody in ob
eh, Gringo! can you define success a little better, please? more so than, "the culero with the most toys wins..."

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Originally posted by Moika
I agree with you!! They have very deep pockets financing the poject and it could be a great succes for them from the profitable point of view... I doesn´t mean that I endorse neither agree with the proposal and site choosen to develop it...

Touche - I guess I should have qualified that. My use of the word "success" was based solely on the developers plans and goals of selling the project. I do agree with points made here by some that this development will ultimately benefit very few. That exclusivity and pricing along with Tigers name and involvement is part of why I think it will sell to the very upper crust for who $10-20 million dollars is mere pocket change.

Who knows? Maybe one day I could work my way in as a Gringo caddie...

:lol:

DENNIS - 2-20-2009 at 07:44 AM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
Who knows? Maybe one day I could work my way in as a Gringo caddie...

Or....The first white man to strap a leaf blower to his back in pursuit of a job.

CaboRon - 2-20-2009 at 08:07 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
Who knows? Maybe one day I could work my way in as a Gringo caddie...

Or....The first white man to strap a leaf blower to his back in pursuit of a job.

BajaGringo - 2-20-2009 at 08:39 AM

Oooooohhhhh.....

Stop giving me ideas!!!!

:lol:

(Do you have a leaf blower I could borrow???)

wilderone - 2-20-2009 at 09:58 AM

"Even this one doesn't make sense to me in some ways. But that is because they are marketing to a group I could never ever begin to relate to."

That is nonsensical. the data and facts are there. We're not talking about oil platforms, so why are you? You can't think past the MARKETING GROUP that you can't relate to? Can you relate to a clean coast with fish, mussels, seastars, etc. in it? Of course there will be sewage, desal brine, fertilizers, pesticides, refuse from homes, restaurants, pool chemicals, etc. In your experience in Mexico, where does it all go?
You can relate to pristine wilderness and access to it. This property will be entirely scraped - have you seen the layout? Anything said about keeping indigenous plants or keeping it as environmentally sensitive as possible is folly. Golf courses are not environmentally sensitive. I am also opposed to this project on a moral basis. Can't the people who have wealth do something to help their fellow man instead of grabbing more for themselves and destroying precious little open space is left? There is unexcavated archaeology at the site - this knowledge will be lost to everyone forever. Even developments at Dubai are stalling. Golf courses all over are closing. There is no compelling reason to build this project at this site at these prices at this time. There are golf course properties all over the world. There is a golf resort proeprty ownership concept called Markers (I think), that own top-notch golf resort properties - Pebble Beach, St. Andrews, Cabo San Lucas, etc. You buy into the company for a certain number of months of ownership or whatever at a set price, and you have access to all of the properties and their amenities, and don't even pay green fees. The cost starts around $387,000 buy-in. Something like this makes a whole lot more sense than the destruction they plan to benefit a relative few. The residence purchase concept with guest homes is simply not feasible for a location where you must fly into it and cross a foreign border. The Punta Brava project doesn't make sense on every level that you CAN relate to, but admit it, you think this project will bolster the region and then you can say you live near Tiger Woods' vacation spot, and subconsciously believe that you have made a good choice because Tiger Woods made a good choice and somehow that puts you on some equal level as him. What they're doing to taking something away from you and shutting you out.

Bajahowodd - 2-20-2009 at 12:23 PM

The fossils that are being unearthed were found on the opposite side of the Art Museum from the Page/La Brea Tar pits. Under the parking lot of the old May Co store!

Busted

Sharksbaja - 2-20-2009 at 01:13 PM

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I am lucky to know some people who really have some political-economic pull in Baja and even was allowed to hit a few balls from what will be the 17th tee box over the water to a flag marking what will be the 17th green.

Thank god you golf. I couldn't figure out your take till now.

Seems you DO have (personal) interest. Why else would you be up there whacking balls with a VIP. Coincidence? :lol:

Are you as familiar with the Hawaiian locals' attitude towards all those coastal greens the Japanese built in the 80s? Good for them? I think not.

A good example of greed gone wild.

BajaGringo - 2-21-2009 at 12:06 AM

So you think I want this development to happen because I got to hit a couple of balls off some dirt??? This club will be extremely private and I can only dream of seeing the inside of the pro shop once it opens. A friend who is connected knows I love to golf and invited me along for a private tour he was offered of the project. Of course I took him up on it. I knew I would never get so close to it again in my lifetime.

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