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stimbo - 12-5-2008 at 11:35 PM

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Originally posted by Bajaboy
But the highway wasn't designed for oversized RVs towing 26ft cruisers either....I don't hear anyone saying they endanger others.


I did!

Disminuya su Velocidad

Skipjack Joe - 12-6-2008 at 12:24 AM

Bajaboy, I agree with everything you say and support your point of view as many others do.

All those classes of vehicles, motorcyclists, and cyclists need to share that highway as it's the only one. Why are vacationing cyclists being targeted? Why not the Mexican worker commuting to work on his bicycle? Or a slow moving tractor pulling tomatoes near San Quintin. Or another one working the fields near Vizcaino. Why should a local driving a clunker be kept off the road?

Yes, they're all dangerous.

Don't think those truckers plying the road aren't having the same conversations about us. I'm sure they feel we're dangerous to them as they're carrying much more weight and can't react as quickly as our cars. Many of those overturned trucks we see by the side of the road were caused by cars. Some - by gringo cars.

A lot of this seems to be related to trying to cram as much into a vacation as possible. Trying to make a weekend trip to GR. Trying to put on 500-600 miles a day. Pushing to drive the entire peninsula in 3 days. Why should the leisurely vacationer not have a right to do it at their pace? They're not even asking you to slow down. They're just asking you to respect their right to share the road with you.

[Edited on 12-6-2008 by Skipjack Joe]

moral failings of nomads

mtgoat666 - 12-6-2008 at 09:00 AM

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Originally posted by stimbo
Quote:
Originally posted by Bajaboy
But the highway wasn't designed for oversized RVs towing 26ft cruisers either....I don't hear anyone saying they endanger others.


I did!


I think a tourist on a bike has as much right to use the road as a tourist in an SUV or RV. Thankfully, most countries have laws that grant all vehicles equal rights to road, in most cases. If anything, the lowest-carbon-footprint mode of transport is morally superior, and the morally inferior traveler should quit being such a pig :lol:

stimbo - 12-6-2008 at 09:45 AM

"Clearly," these bike racers caused this accident.....:no:

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David K - 12-6-2008 at 10:22 AM

:rolleyes:

See what you want... but my comments were on the highway's purpose and design... not on bike riders 'rights' in Mexico. There originally were billboards saying what the highway was made for (Economic Development... and not for high speed driving)... But, definetly not for bike riders... God help them!

Bajaboy - 12-6-2008 at 10:44 AM

Aren't bike riders tourists...thus aiding in economic development? DK-according to you the road was for tourists...the cyclists are tourists...right?! So your theory is a bit flawed or at least contradicting.

David K - 12-6-2008 at 10:49 AM

In 1973, the idea of economic development from tourism was aimed for the masses expected to arrive in automobiles, not bicycles. That would have caused a laughing storm... me thinks!

The highway was NOT built for bicycles, plain and simple... They are finally widening it, and when there is a shoulder, I will be all for those bike riders on the highway... until then, it is a danger to EVERYONE ELSE and them.

There are plenty of dirt road alternate routes until then, and I am happy to help guide them!!

Skipjack Joe - 12-6-2008 at 12:09 PM

When the highway was completed they placed green signs everywhere warning drivers to drive slowly as the highway had been built for the economic development of the baja's inhabitants. That meant it's main purpose was for commercial transportation - not tourism. It meant that it was built to improve the lives of baja natives. It essentially told tourists to drive fast at your own risk and those of others. It did not imply in any way that cyclists did not belong on that road. It implied that fast drivers did not belong on that road.

Correction: it didn't imply it. It clearly stated it in spanish.

[Edited on 12-6-2008 by Skipjack Joe]

vandenberg - 12-6-2008 at 12:16 PM

Heard that Lance Armstrong and his team are going to use Baja #1 for training purposes.
But they'll have their support vehicles to protect them from you crazy gringo speeders.:no:

"Quote":?::?::biggrin::biggrin:

DianaT - 12-6-2008 at 12:53 PM

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Originally posted by vandenberg
Heard that Lance Armstrong and his team are going to use Baja #1 for training purposes.
But they'll have their support vehicles to protect them from you crazy gringo speeders.:no:

"Quote":?::?::biggrin::biggrin:


Seems to be quite a bit of agreement that the danger to and from the bike riders is from gringo speeders. :?::?:

Lots of assumptions have been made about those who think it is dangerous---interesting assumptions. Lots of seers of all around here. :lol:

Skipjack Joe - 12-6-2008 at 01:11 PM

Diane,

I'll have to admit that when I'm stalled in commuter traffic coming home and I see a motorcyle weaving along the divider line to the very front of the line I do get a very strong urge to open my front door. Having to endure the traffic and the unfairness of the law giving them the right to do this is just too much sometimes.

Sharksbaja - 12-6-2008 at 01:20 PM

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Why not the Mexican worker commuting to work on his bicycle? Or a slow moving tractor pulling tomatoes near San Quintin. Or another one working the fields near Vizcaino. Why should a local driving a clunker be kept off the road?


Because they have no choice??

DianaT - 12-6-2008 at 01:55 PM

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Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Diane,

I'll have to admit that when I'm stalled in commuter traffic coming home and I see a motorcyle weaving along the divider line to the very front of the line I do get a very strong urge to open my front door. Having to endure the traffic and the unfairness of the law giving them the right to do this is just too much sometimes.


Igor,
Yea, we all get impatient at times and I worry about those motorcyle riders in that kind of traffic. Nurses I know call them donors.

Some of defenders who have made real assumptions about others remind me of my grandmother right before she lost her license in her 90s.

Everytime she drove anywhere, she not only almost got into accidents, there were always people yelling at her--not always saying nice things. Some even told her she was going to cause other people to get into accidents.

According to her, it all was because young people drove too fast, were not careful, and they yelled because they were very unhappy high strung people. It was NEVER her fault, because as she would say, she drove very slowly and carefully and she had a right to be on the roads. Forty-five on the freeway was a perfectly good speed.

Just an observation

Back to figuring out what *at* means. :lol::lol:

[Edited on 12-6-2008 by jdtrotter]

N2Baja - 12-6-2008 at 04:26 PM

What ever happened to Nadine? the person who started this thread? I wonder if she's changed her mind?

Sharksbaja - 12-6-2008 at 04:29 PM

That answers it! We must have the most grandmothers on the road!:light:

I'm still trying to figure out this:
"Quote"

Now THAT'S obviously quoting a quote?:lol:

David K - 12-6-2008 at 04:57 PM

I wonder how bike riders would feel if us automobile and truck drivers started driving on bike paths??? I mean I will spend the same money on energy drinks and food bars at the end of the path... don't I have rights on the same road as those bikes?

What did you say, 'the bike path wasn't made for cars and trucks... it's too narrow'... ?

:lol::lol::lol:

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Igor, I am going to disagree with one part of your reply above...

One prime reason for HWY. 1 was indeed for tourists... to bring them down to Baja easily for economic development... The signs did say that in both languages... and it also said 'not for high speed driving' (but not 5-10 mph behind bikes). There was little need for a lot of commercial transportation until the growth in business from all the gringos flooding south to enjoy Baja... on the new highway...

Remeber the Paradors built at San Quintin, Cataviña, L.A. Bay Jcn (still called Parador Punta Prieta by some), 28º Parallel and San Ignacio... for tourists to have a place to get fuel, food, take a rest, showers, trailer parks, and an El Presidente Hotel (except Punta Prieta)? There was nothing or almost nothing for travelers needs in central Baja (San Quintin to San Ignacio) when the highway was completed and opened on Dec. 1, 1973.

The towns grew and private enterprise filled the travelers needs... the Paradors went out of business (as cafes and rest areas)... Highway One brought the business into Baja (tourists) and then carried the supplies for all the new business. It's a chicken or the egg sort of thing maybe, but tourism in Baja was definetly a faster growth cause than if no gringos traveled to Baja.

norte - 12-6-2008 at 05:39 PM

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There was little need for a lot of commercial transportation until the growth in business from all the gringos flooding south to enjoy Baja... on the new highway...


The towns grew and private enterprise filled the travelers needs... the Paradors went out of business (as cafes and rest areas)... Highway One brought the business into Baja (tourists) and then carried the supplies for all the new business. It's a chicken or the egg sort of thing maybe, but tourism in Baja was definetly a faster growth cause than if no gringos traveled to Baja.


What a bunch of BS. It was agriculture that brought the requirement for commercial traffic. Not the tourist"flooding south"

shari - 12-6-2008 at 05:46 PM

I think Nadine and her amigos are en route now...by the way, they never planned to bike the highway much...they were going to take a bus or hire a van to get them to GN, then they were trying to get permission to bike the back way to Asuncion, then the coast road down to Abreojos etc...mostly sticking to off roading...so this thread is kinda funny as they wanted to off road it as much as possible....the original suggestion to post here was to maybe get some info, some logistical assistance about busses etc...and maybe make a few friends they might visit on the way....they are biking down the continent and I for one wish them a great trip.

David K - 12-6-2008 at 05:56 PM

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Originally posted by norte
Quote:
There was little need for a lot of commercial transportation until the growth in business from all the gringos flooding south to enjoy Baja... on the new highway...


The towns grew and private enterprise filled the travelers needs... the Paradors went out of business (as cafes and rest areas)... Highway One brought the business into Baja (tourists) and then carried the supplies for all the new business. It's a chicken or the egg sort of thing maybe, but tourism in Baja was definetly a faster growth cause than if no gringos traveled to Baja.


What a bunch of BS. It was agriculture that brought the requirement for commercial traffic. Not the tourist"flooding south"


No norte, not BS.. facts... The ag came after the tourist in the El Rosario to San Ignacio section... There was NO town of Vizcaino or all those other desert ejidos before the highway... Only an American developed test ranch called 'Wilson' (now refered to as El Piloto) to prove the desert could provide crops using pre-historic water (from the Ice Age, it was said).

The highway benefited everyone for sure, but it was for economic development which in the beginning was tourism more than anything else... I was there before and after the highway was built... wrote books about it... no BS, I promiss!

This is a 1962 map... and was accurate for 10 years (1972)... Note 'Wilson' very near where Vizcaino is today... the other small sites in the area are all ranches or sites...



[Edited on 12-7-2008 by David K]

Bajaboy - 12-6-2008 at 06:09 PM

Yep DK-the hotels were built for those tourists traveling in cars...not huge RVs. So again, the highway wasn't built for bicycles or the monster RVs or huge trucks that are all over the road. Why are you singling out bikes? I think you're missing the point here....there are a lot of dangers on the highway...to say that bikes are the biggest danger is laughable. I've seen my share of broken driver side mirrors....oh but I'm sure that was the fault of some cyclist....give me a break.

mtgoat666 - 12-6-2008 at 07:38 PM

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Originally posted by David K
I was there before and after the highway was built... wrote books about it... no BS, I promiss!


DK, they need to make a new nomad status for you, and call it chief bloviator. You crack me up, even when you annoy me :lol:

I'm even starting to believe that Highway 1 was built for you and you alone.

DianaT - 12-6-2008 at 08:24 PM

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Originally posted by shari
I think Nadine and her amigos are en route now...by the way, they never planned to bike the highway much...they were going to take a bus or hire a van to get them to GN, then they were trying to get permission to bike the back way to Asuncion, then the coast road down to Abreojos etc...mostly sticking to off roading...so this thread is kinda funny as they wanted to off road it as much as possible....the original suggestion to post here was to maybe get some info, some logistical assistance about busses etc...and maybe make a few friends they might visit on the way....they are biking down the continent and I for one wish them a great trip.


Had they been more specific---read their first post -- probably there would have been more suggestions and help offered to them. Too bad, and I think even those who disagree with riding bikes on Highway 1 wish them well and hope they have a great trip.

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajaboy
Yep DK-the hotels were built for those tourists traveling in cars...not huge RVs. So again, the highway wasn't built for bicycles or the monster RVs or huge trucks that are all over the road. Why are you singling out bikes? I think you're missing the point here....there are a lot of dangers on the highway...to say that bikes are the biggest danger is laughable. I've seen my share of broken driver side mirrors....oh but I'm sure that was the fault of some cyclist....give me a break.


IMHO, Paula's post is worth repeating---there is a giant difference between the different dangers---apples and oranges.


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Originally posted by Paula

I think the gut reaction of most people in this situation would be to spare the bicyclist at all costs, because they are out there, unprotected by a vehicle, and the first thing you see with your minds eye is that person's head, bones and blood al over the pavement. There is no time to make a value judgement, the reaction has to be instinctual, and the sight of that person so badly injured is unthinkable-- you do anything to avoid being the cause of that.

And this is why I think riding a bicycle on this road is a very thoughtless and selfish thing to do. I see the appeal of doing it, but there are other things you can do for a thrill that won't involve endanger the lives of others.


IMHO, the only thing worse might be running over a dog.

Diane

Skipjack Joe - 12-6-2008 at 08:31 PM

Yes you are correct David. The campgrounds and paradors and motels built along the highway when it opened were built for the expected tourists. So yes, one of the objectives of the new highway was to encourage travel by americans. However, signs warning cars to slow down because the highway was primarily intended for commercial use speaks for itself. Who could they have been referring to? Most Mexicans drove clunkers back then. Most commercial trucks were DINA's back then that belched smoke fumes and were notoriously slow.There's a story by Walt Peterson of one driver who drove his car with the gas can on the roof of his car and a tube leading to his engine because his fuel pump was out. Of course I can't prove what the primary reason was for the highway. That's subjective and we could go back and forth for days. But it just makes no sense that they would ask their own people to slow down for the sake of tourism (you say tourism=commerce in their mind).

But that was 30 years and time has marched on. I feel this has little bearing on the situation today. Except that the highway has remained the same.

There is another slant on this that's relevant. You, David, have always seen the development of baja as progress and I have seen it as it's decline. Our views on the rights of cyclists may simply be the outcome of these more general viewpoints. That's what I suspect.

mtgoat666 - 12-6-2008 at 10:33 PM

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Originally posted by Paula

I think the gut reaction of most people in this situation would be to spare the bicyclist at all costs, because they are out there, unprotected by a vehicle, and the first thing you see with your minds eye is that person's head, bones and blood al over the pavement. There is no time to make a value judgement, the reaction has to be instinctual, and the sight of that person so badly injured is unthinkable-- you do anything to avoid being the cause of that.

And this is why I think riding a bicycle on this road is a very thoughtless and selfish thing to do. I see the appeal of doing it, but there are other things you can do for a thrill that won't involve endanger the lives of others.


paula, the selfish act is your barreling down the highway at an unsafe speed, driving too fast. slow down and you won't kill anyone. keep driving too fast, and you will kill someone.

share the road with bikes!

yes we can!

peace out!

Barry A. - 12-6-2008 at 11:53 PM

Since everybody seems to have an opinion on this subject I might as well throw in my "take"---------

-------bike riding on Mex. 1 is an "extreme sport", and we all know the possible/probable consequences of most any "extreme sport".

Tho annoying, I personally drive Mex. 1 within the parameters that were originally stated when the hyway was built---------it is not, and was not designed to be, a highspeed highway-------it was frugally built to facilitate the economic growth of the peninsula, and that is all, plain and simple. There was never any consideration of "bike riding" in the original engineering, I am reasonably certain. Bike use on that highway is at the riders peril, and I wish them luck----they will need it!

Barry

Nadine - 12-7-2008 at 04:26 AM

Well, after 8 pages of comment - fortunately not all of them on our bikeriding... I do feel obliged to respond. Although most has been said, including that after these 8 pages we still don't have the answers to all of our questions. Don't worry, we found other ways :bounce: Thank you though for the tips, the advice and ideas that where included in the various threads, we will make good use of them!

To all of you that have expressed concern about our trip - I do not want to defend myself and the choices we make, but I do want to try and put some of your minds at rest, although judging by the fierceness of some responses I wonder if that's possible. We most certainly do not have a death wish - but a desire to enjoy life and the world around us. Being on a bike is one of the best ways we know to do so.

First of all, both Paul and I have been riding for years and years, in many corners of our beautiful world. Together, we've made about 15 trips, not counting short brakes. A lot of our trips have been in Europe, believe me a lot more crowded than US or central America roads (see Italy photo in the thread!). So we do know to be carefull, attentive, on the alert.

Don't forget, on a bike you hear everything around you (part of the attraction, because most of the times it's birds, the sea, the wind, silence and your own wheels on the pavement). So we will hear a car coming up behind us, or in front of us, or both and notice whether it is slowing down or not. And we will anticipate.
I have to agree with the people that said - slow down behind a bike and pass when you can. Of course, there are curves and bends when you might not see a bike before the turn - we will hear you coming and make sure we are out of the way. If you do see us, and there is another car coming from the opposite direction, please take half a minute to slow down.

And yes, wherever possible we try and avoid Hw 1, as Shari stated. Mainly because biking is even better on dirt roads, more lonesome, more in touch with nature. However, travelling from GN to San Jose all on dirt is not an option. So on parts we will have to take the Hw, which judging by the pictures some of the nomads posted isn't all that bad.

Baja seems to be a beautiful place and I can't wait to be there and see it all. From the viewpoint of my bike - slow travelling to experience it all. And so far, everywhere in the world that we've been it has been an amazing way to meet people - I hope in Baja it will be the same!

Take care everyone, be it on the road or elsewhere.

Nadine

[Edited on 7-12-2008 by Nadine]

David K - 12-7-2008 at 08:18 AM

Thank you Nadine... always have a safe trip and enjoy Baja!

For the record, and to clear the false assumptions said by the pro bike ninjas out there: I am not anti bike, I am pro safe riding roads for bikes to use (narrow part of Mex.1 isn't). I actually was sad that Highway One was built, having experienced the old road in the '60s and early '70s... I am available to help a bike rider find a 'non- narrow Hwy. 1' route to use!

Igor said: "There is another slant on this that's relevant. You, David, have always seen the development of baja as progress and I have seen it as it's decline."

Not sure how you got that impression, but let me tell you I agree with YOU!

Have a great Sunday everyone!

Skipjack Joe - 12-7-2008 at 01:43 PM

Nice to hear from you again Nadine,

Just some final recommendations related to this subject. They deal with the road loops available from the main highway. They're really the best way to experience the peninsula at a more leisurely rate.

1. Puertocitos-Gonzaga-LagunaChapala road - Mentioned by others. Great ride along the cortez followed by pretty good desert scenery.

2. BOLA-SanFrancisquito-ElArco - The desert between SF and ElArco is as good as it gets in baja IMO. Stunningly beautiful and not a soul in sight.

3. LaRibera-CaboPulmo-SanJose - Another great ride along the cortez shoreline with warmer waters and more tropical climate. Don't know how developed the southern leg of that road has become.

These are just three. There are tons more. I suggest you construct an itinerary that strings a bunch of such loops as you work your way south for a memorable baja vacation. There are members here who can give great advice.

A side trip to the Mag Bay region would be good. Another side trip up the canyon to Mission San Javier would be excellent for a bike ride. Or branch off to Comodu and visit old baja. Any time you leave the highway the quality of your vacation goes up.

Nadine - 12-7-2008 at 02:54 PM

3. LaRibera-CaboPulmo-SanJose - Another great ride along the cortez shoreline with warmer waters and more tropical climate. Don't know how developed the southern leg of that road has become.

Thank you Skipjack Joe We are definitely doing that last stretch you mention - actually from La Paz on we won't be on Hw 1 no more! The other 2 stretches are to far north as we start riding from Guerrero Negro (or probably Vizcaino). From there on we will go west to Baha Asuncion, going south from there and hitting the highway again at San Ignacio. From there one it seems it has to be highway all the way down to La Paz, although we are considering taking the bus partly. Any advice on riding dirt instead of highway is more than welcome!

[Edited on 7-12-2008 by Nadine]

rts551 - 12-7-2008 at 03:19 PM

Nadine

Take the road from San Ignacio west and south to San Juanico Then South how ever you desire. Eliminates some nasty parts of HWY 1.

Sharksbaja - 12-7-2008 at 03:23 PM

Sounds like you have your wheels aligned properly.
As far as the pointed semi-opinionated folks such as myself goes, please just keep our/my concern in the back of your minds. I'll give more berth as well.
Wasn't trying to pop yer bubble or diss your trip.... just want your trip to be great enjoyable one and you guys to be safe.

Enjoy Baja and all the greatness it offers up. Salutos y bueno suerte. Corky

DianaT - 12-7-2008 at 04:02 PM

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Originally posted by Nadine
Well, after 8 pages of comment - fortunately not all of them on our bikeriding... I do feel obliged to respond. Although most has been said, including that after these 8 pages we still don't have the answers to all of our questions. Don't worry, we found other ways :bounce: Thank you though for the tips, the advice and ideas that where included in the various threads, we will make good use of them!.

Nadine



Now that you have asked specific questions and after all this time made your intentions clear, notice that you are getting more useful responses, although with no response, it was suggested early on in this thread that you consider using the dirt roads.

FDT, who would be the one to contact offered his services for when you arrive in Tijuana---a specific answer to a specific answer.

You might also consider the back road from Bahia Asuncion to Tortugas---interesting country and Tortugas is worth a visit.

Quote:
Originally posted by Nadine


To all of you that have expressed concern about our trip - I do not want to defend myself and the choices we make, but I do want to try and put some of your minds at rest, although judging by the fierceness of some responses I wonder if that's possible. We most certainly do not have a death wish - but a desire to enjoy life and the world around us. Being on a bike is one of the best ways we know to do so.


Nadine



I don't think any of us have a death wish, and yes you are a very experienced rider. However, you are not familar with the main highway in Baja---notice that many who have riden lots of places, while they defend people's rights to ride down Highway 1, they themselves would not do so. That is why MANY suggested the back roads.

Quote:
Originally posted by Nadine

I have to agree with the people that said - slow down behind a bike and pass when you can. Of course, there are curves and bends when you might not see a bike before the turn - we will hear you coming and make sure we are out of the way. If you do see us, and there is another car coming from the opposite direction, please take half a minute to slow down.

Nadine



Do you really think any of us would NOT slow down when we see a bike rider? :rolleyes:

Quote:
Originally posted by Nadine

And yes, wherever possible we try and avoid Hw 1, as Shari stated. Mainly because biking is even better on dirt roads,
Nadine



Information posted very late in the thread. Clarity of intent very much affects the responses received.

Have a great trip and if you have any questions about the back roads, you might want to start over and ask the specific questions---answers will come.

Paula - 12-7-2008 at 04:18 PM

Well hi there Nadine! Nice to hear from you again.

If you take the road that rts551 recommends from San Ignacio to San Juanico (I've never been on this road, and can't say how it might be) you can continue south to La Purisima, a lazy and lovely little town. While there may or may not be a hotel and restaurant there, if you ask and smile at one of the stores there, someone will put you up and feed you, perhaps for a small fee, maybe just for the smile. From there you can ride to Insurgentes on a paved road (BCS53) that is straight and level and far less traveled than Hwy 1. This will spare you a very treacherous, though scenic, stretch of hwy 1 south of Loreto. From Insugentes south, the road is relatively safe riding at least to Las Pocitas. An alternative is to take the bus to Loreto, and just south of Loreeto head up to San Javier and turn off before you get there-- take the signed road to Commondu, the ride southwest to Francisco Villa, and on to Insurgentes. Study your map. As you ride into San Jose de Comondu, ther is a palapa for camping, and the family who runs it will cook for you if you ask.

On Nomads, if you ask the specific question you want answered you might get a lot of good information instead of a rant:light:

Whatever you do, have a wonderful and safe trip down:biggrin:

Skipjack Joe - 12-7-2008 at 05:07 PM

Nadine,

As I understand it you have asked for offroad suggestions to enhance your baja experience. I'd like to also include sections of the highway that are most attractive for cycling.

The ride from El Rosario to Guerrero Negro is the most beautiful ride on the highway on the entire peninsula and is the least traveled. It's physically difficult due to the climbs and drops but the the views and vegetation is stunning. It's the best thing the highway has to offer.

The highway as it circles Conception Bay is also a great ride as it drops down to beaches now and again giving you the opportunity to experience it's waters. Conception Bay is the most beautiful body of water on the peninsula and the highway provides great access to it. It would almost criminal to experience the peninsula for the first time without visiting this area.

Hola Nadine and Paul

Pompano - 12-7-2008 at 11:06 PM

Skipjack Joe has it right...the high desert he describes is tranquil and beautiful ... a quiet ride through here will give you memories for years to come.

I took these photos of that area a few weeks ago.




As for Conception Bay, well....it's unbeatable in natural beauty. You would miss a real gem by not cycling through it...and camping in a palapa on the beach. There are many to choose from all along the bay's shoreline. The highway will take you past a half dozen choices. Explore.

This is your first sight of the Bay about 15 miles south of Mulege.



I live in Coyote Bay, close to where this camping beach is located. Lots of palapas right on a beautiful sandy beach. Can't get much better than this.



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I know from experience that biking cross-country sometimes does not get you close to a hot shower when you want one. Please be my guest if you are in the area..got lots of hot water and a comfy bed or free campsite in my yard if needed. Ask for Roger's (Rogelio's) beachhouse near km. 108 in Coyote Bay.

Good travels and Godspeed.

Mi casa es su casa.

Eugenio - 12-8-2008 at 12:18 AM

Nadine - are you folks using road bikes - or mountain? For some reason I assumed road bikes when I read your first post.

I don't think you'll be happy with road bikes off road in Baja. If you use mountain bikes be sure to use a tube liner and heavy duty tires and tubes - and maybe slime - they're worth the extra weight - the thorns and spines can eat you alive off road. Expect many punctures. Good luck.

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