BajaNomad - Car Jackings South El Rosario

Car Jackings South El Rosario

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DianaT - 3-31-2009 at 10:34 AM

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Originally posted by bajachris

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Having a problem here with the Punta Prieta police. I thought Punta Prieta was a bus stop on highway one.

Sounds like the problem is you are unfamiliar with the area. The bus does stop there but that is not the only thing in Punta Prieta. The police in Punta Prieta patrol everything between BOLA turn off and Jesus Maria. The Comandante is Martin and Theodora is one of the deputies. Nice guys.

It sounds like some you need a little advice on how to travel in Mex. One of the best things I can tell you to is learn spanish and get to know the lady who runs your favorite taco stand, talk to the people who work at the Pemex, get to know the folks who run the camp grounds and hotels you frequent. These relationships will make your trips more rewarding and could save your life.

BTW, so far the only one of you who has been man enough to apologize for their personal attacks on our credibility is Sharks. Thanks Sharks. What's wrong with the rest of you?

:fire:

First of all, not all of us on this board are men and not everyone attacked your credibility. Also, some of us don't just travel in Baja, we live there at least part of the time.

I can only speak for myself, but while we think there is probably credibility to the story, we also know how these rumors can change and grow, and in this case I am only guessing, but I suspect that the number has grown.

IMHO, painting the people on this board with a very large brush is the only place where I would question your credibility.

We just returned from that area last week and we had not heard anything about this from any of the locals in our town, and stopped and visited with friends in Vizcaino. It is certainly not to say these these things are not happening, but it is difficult to believe that it has happened very recently to 40 or 50 cars and the rumors were not everywhere in that area. Yes, Vizcaino is south of GN, but all those areas are very connected, especially by rumors. And one of our friends in Vizcaino drives to Tijuana about every two weeks.

For us, it is a little like hearing from the locals that people are held up on the Tortugas road---we believe it, we are careful, but a couple of people in town have talked like it happens almost daily----and it doesn't.

Welcome, and I hope we can all continue to enjoy Baja.

DavidK --- thanks for explaning this forum, how people should approach it and its members--- :rolleyes:

You might think about using the word opinion, once in a while.

Diane

[Edited on 3-31-2009 by jdtrotter]

DENNIS - 3-31-2009 at 11:07 AM

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Originally posted by bajachris
It sounds like some you need a little advice on how to travel in Mex. BTW, so far the only one of you who has been man enough to apologize for their personal attacks on our credibility is Sharks. Thanks Sharks. What's wrong with the rest of you?

:fire:

Well, Chris....If you're gonna hang around here, you have to wear your thick skin. Half the people you're addressing live here. They arn't tourists. And, this site gets a little cantankerous at times but, we, most of us anyway, learn that nothing you, or I, say is worth stressing over.
Have fun with it. You're probably getting more attention right now than you'll ever get for the rest of your life.

I didn't read Davids post before I got into mine. I should have. He does it so much nicer than I do.

[Edited on 3-31-2009 by DENNIS]

[Edited on 3-31-2009 by DENNIS]

ligui - 3-31-2009 at 11:18 AM

Hello bajacris , welcome to the board , thanks so much for your , ' little advice ' on how to act in mexico . After years of living there i never knew what to do...

Bajahowodd - 3-31-2009 at 11:29 AM

By the way, Chris, my first visit to Ensenada was in 1971. Almost no paved roads in town. Snce that time, I have driven to Cabo and back dozens of times. Many other trips didn't take me that far. Over the years, I have heard stories about car-jackings and robberies. on a number of occasions, i have wondered when a vehicle out in the middle of nowhere makes a u-turn after I pass, or pulls onto the road behind me and I could see them closing distance. Vigilance. Knock wood. I have never had a single untoward incident. except maybe the crooked cop in Catavina. Just for the record, I was joking about the bus stop.

DENNIS - 3-31-2009 at 11:41 AM

This thread is due for a major hijacking.

joel - 3-31-2009 at 11:48 AM

Does anyone know what the MO of the carjackers is? Do they pull alongside with a gun? Do they pretend to be broken down? Do they block the road?

I just drove through the area three days ago and saw nada.

Bajahowodd - 3-31-2009 at 11:54 AM

Stories reported on this board would indicate all of the above. It is the frequency that would be an alarm. Let's face it, the same sort of activity occurs North of the border. When we see posts here about something that may have happened, and such posts are a few times a year, that's like background noise in our society. Problem with this post was that a number of 50 was mentioned and it is alleged to have happened in a relative compact time frame. That's why all the interest in this thread.

DianaT - 3-31-2009 at 11:57 AM

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Originally posted by joel
Does anyone know what the MO of the carjackers is? Do they pull alongside with a gun? Do they pretend to be broken down? Do they block the road?

I just drove through the area three days ago and saw nada.

That is still an unanswered question---one we hope is answered.

We also hope that if it is happening that the government will do what they did south of Acapulco several years ago. After we drove the coast road from Guatemala, we were told that it was VERY dangerous---isolated and lots of robberies.

Well, they sent in the army big time and cleared out the problem. It is a lightly populated area so finding out information should not be that difficult for the army.

I for one, like the army stops---like having them around.

BajaGringo - 3-31-2009 at 12:08 PM

So do we...

bajachris - 3-31-2009 at 12:58 PM

Nomands

I did not mean to paint everyone on this forum with a "broad brush" when addressing the "nay sayers". With the exception of about 5 or 6 members the feed back on this forum has been very useful and constructive. Shari, dennis, sharks, toneart and a few others have been very helpful. Thanks. I can tell you that until I hear this activity has ceased I will hook up with others in a convoy to protect my family and I will be careful getting money from ATM's. I won't stop in this area either.

I understand why we all have a tendency to doubt these rumors. But these days they need to be addressed regardless.

I also have to say most people in this forum seem to get it. However there a small percentage who do not. When I see someone advocating throwing soda cans to protect their lives and the lives of there loved ones I have to point out the stupidity of these types of comments. I'm sorry and I hope you were joking but I did not interpret it as joking. I also have to say that dismissing the comments of the lady at the taco stand, gas station or coffee stand who is out on MEX 1 talking to people traveling MEX 1 all day long is also bad advice.

I have a house in Baja and spend about 2 months a year there and I love it. Why have I not shared these experiences? Lets just say Baja gets of plenty of exposure and I don't feel the need to advertise. Baja has a tendency to become a victim of its own popularity. I live in San Diego and everyone here know's how great Baja can be. We are also on front line of the drug wars.

Thanks to most of you who have been very kind and encouraging. To those who that have been less than kind I understand that you may not want to face these issues and would prefer the messenger lack credibility. However personal attacks will only make posters reluctant to share there experiences and that is what I think happened with Dennis. Dennis should have shared the information he received three weeks ago so others could have looked into these concerns. If people have been caravaning to BOLA because of this then that tells me this information came to this forum later than it could have. That's not good.

So, if you feel its better to ignore personal attacks then address them please let me know. I am new to posting here and could use advice in dealing with those who do not get it.

Thanks

BajaGringo - 3-31-2009 at 01:18 PM

bajachris:

I have not been immune to attacks here on my motives or credibility. One idiot poster awhile back even stooped to making inappropriate comments about my Mexican wife. This forum seems to attract elements from all extremes with most of us somewhere in the middle. It is just part of online life here at the BajaNomad forum. The sooner one learns to understand the way things seems to work here, the sooner you will discover how to spend more time participating instead of defending. The key I have discovered is to simply ignore that which is not worth responding to. I am not saying that it is always fair or right, but neither you or I will change the current status quo. Somehow it does seem to work in its own way as it is.

Dennis is correct that one needs thick skin to remain active here, sort of like life in Baja in general I suppose. Actually it reminds me an awful lot of life at home as a kid at the dinner table each night...

DanO - 3-31-2009 at 01:53 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
This thread is due for a major hijacking.

I would oblige you, but I've sworn off thread hijacks, at least for awhile. Can't stand the pouting. Unseriousness is seriously underappreciated around here. Carry on.

schwlind - 3-31-2009 at 02:11 PM

Bajachris,

While I am definitely a "Newbie" here, I, like you have spent much time in Baja over the last 15 years. We built a house in San Antonio Del Mar (Colonet) about 5 years ago. Sadly, we have not had the opportunity to explore much of the peninsula because my esposo is still working.

I am a "lurker" for the most part, but it pains me when I see posters attacked. I for one, appreciate any and all information posted under the multitude of topics on this forum. It should be up to the individual reader to determine if something is valid or not... attacking the poster serves no helpful purpose, IMHO.

So with the others who have posted in this thread and provided additional information as well as defended you... I thank you all. Everyone makes their own decisions about various aspects of their life... their own research, their travel, the care that they exercise in their travels and whether or not they choose to throw all caution to the wind.

While a number of you show a healthy degree of skepticism in your responses to Bajachris, let's all please try to be civil... Don't we all share some very basic things... we all love Baja, and we all care about our fellow BajaNomad's safety and well being?

Okay... fire away!
Linda

Skipjack Joe - 3-31-2009 at 02:13 PM

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Originally posted by DanO

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Originally posted by DENNIS
This thread is due for a major hijacking.

I would oblige you, but I've sworn off thread hijacks, at least for awhile. Can't stand the pouting. Unseriousness is seriously underappreciated around here. Carry on.

Where is "Carry on" anyway? I haven't read one of his posts in quite some time.

tripledigitken - 3-31-2009 at 02:19 PM

I believe it was "as you were",carry on!

Ken

Paulina - 3-31-2009 at 02:32 PM

Dern just got back from Bahia a week ago. When I told him of this thread he mentioned that there were many Federales de Caminos on the road between the Bahia turn off and El Rosario.

Rather than wearing thick skin, some of us prefer to sport asbestos undies every now and then. :fire:

(_|_) They are less noticeable.

Welcome to the board Chris, and thanks for the heads up.

P<*)))>{

ligui - 3-31-2009 at 02:34 PM

As I said before cris welcome to the nomads board , wanted to thank you for your posts about car jackings , we all need to keep our act together while in baja, as we do in all of life .

Some of us have been around the block a couple of times and need a reminder , ..... I think it's just how we are reminded . Please go easy on us , some have been there before .

Must say you won't be a newie long .... vivia baja !!!

DanO - 3-31-2009 at 03:47 PM

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Originally posted by tripledigitken
I believe it was "as you were",carry on!

Ken

Correct. Or as Kingsley Amis put it, "press on regardless."

Natalie Ann - 3-31-2009 at 04:00 PM

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Originally posted by Skipjack Joe

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Originally posted by DanO

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Originally posted by DENNIS
This thread is due for a major hijacking.

I would oblige you, but I've sworn off thread hijacks, at least for awhile. Can't stand the pouting. Unseriousness is seriously underappreciated around here. Carry on.

Where is "Carry on" anyway? I haven't read one of his posts in quite some time.

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Originally posted by tripledigitken
I believe it was "as you were",carry on!

Ken

I believe 'he' was/is - a she.

Nena

Pescador - 3-31-2009 at 04:12 PM

Chris, thanks for the report and one of the things you will learn rather quickly that there is no Basic IQ level required for registering on this site. so if you understand the curve of IQ distribution, you can quickly figure out who is average, less than average and those few who are above average. :wow:

Bajahowodd - 3-31-2009 at 04:27 PM

I thought you misspelled carrion. :lol:

DianaT - 3-31-2009 at 04:44 PM

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Originally posted by Pescador
Chris, thanks for the report and one of the things you will learn rather quickly that there is no Basic IQ level required for registering on this site. so if you understand the curve of IQ distribution, you can quickly figure out who is average, less than average and those few who are above average. :wow:

Boy that would be a fun list----but everyone's list might be just a little different. :lol:

Still hope they bring out more army patrols.

Diane

DENNIS - 3-31-2009 at 04:48 PM

I wanna be on a list. Can I be on a list?

Fred - 3-31-2009 at 04:50 PM

Bajachris............thanks for the info. I am sure it will change the way some people travel that area. Me I am in an old 79 VW Westfalia and look like a beach bum that I am. And of course don't carry much dinero. If fact, if I had some dinero I would be in Baja NOW

KAT54 - 3-31-2009 at 04:58 PM

Bajachris is the "MInnow"

He loves to stir the pot at whatever cost.

Paulina - 3-31-2009 at 05:31 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
I wanna be on a list. Can I be on a list?

You're on my list.

bajachris - 3-31-2009 at 05:47 PM

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Originally posted by KAT54
Bajachris is the "MInnow"

He loves to stir the pot at whatever cost.

Ya know, I was really starting to feel the love from all my new friends. And then this. Maybe that's the way it goes here I guess. 10 good replies and then a bad one. Be nice.

Thanks again for the kinds words and encouragement Nomads.

SKIDS - 3-31-2009 at 05:48 PM

We go to BOLA fishing 2-3 times a year . We normally travel in 2 trucks , one towing a trailer. We cross the border at TJ about 5:00 a.m. ( the bad guys are me-me ). Stop in Maneadero for ice, El Rosario for a bite to eat. and get to BOLA ABOUT 3:00. We are heading down June 11 for a week if any one whats to caravan.

4baja - 3-31-2009 at 06:26 PM

skids, were leaveing for bola around the 17th for two + weeks. look us up. allso we go regardless .

SKIDS - 3-31-2009 at 06:53 PM

4baja,
Thanks for the invite. We'll be camping at La Gringa, but we will be leaving on the 18th early.
We'll look ya up. Counting the days !

Pescador - 3-31-2009 at 08:04 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
I wanna be on a list. Can I be on a list?

This may be one of those times when you do not want to be considered "far left" It is much better to be considered 'far right" but then that is usually better anyway.

Baja&Back - 3-31-2009 at 08:26 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
I wanna be on a list. Can I be on a list?

Dennis: Are you REALLY listo???

DianaT - 3-31-2009 at 08:55 PM

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Originally posted by Pescador

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Originally posted by DENNIS
I wanna be on a list. Can I be on a list?

This may be one of those times when you do not want to be considered "far left" It is much better to be considered 'far right" but then that is usually better anyway.

As I said, there would be lots of disagreement about the lists, the order of same, the placement of diffeent individuals, and what is better.

DENNIS - 3-31-2009 at 09:26 PM

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Originally posted by bajachris

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Originally posted by KAT54
Bajachris is the "MInnow"

He loves to stir the pot at whatever cost.

Ya know, I was really starting to feel the love from all my new friends. And then this. Maybe that's the way it goes here I guess. 10 good replies and then a bad one. Be nice.

It was kind of an inside joke, Chris. Nothing serious or mean or anything like that. How long will it take before you quit whineing about the treatment you're receiving here?

Skip_Mac - 3-31-2009 at 09:58 PM

Thanks Dennis, the calm voice of reason....

bajachris - 3-31-2009 at 10:34 PM

Dennis

Please bare with me while I try to outgrow my Newbiness. I will try out that giveachitometer, maybe that will speed up the process. Thanks for the advice :lol:

BTW, does someone have a manual or something explaining proper Nomad etiquette? :spingrin:

elgatoloco - 3-31-2009 at 10:39 PM

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Originally posted by Paulina
Dern just got back from Bahia a week ago. When I told him of this thread he mentioned that there were many Federales de Caminos on the road between the Bahia turn off and El Rosario.

Rather than wearing thick skin, some of us prefer to sport asbestos undies every now and then. :fire:

(_|_) They are less noticeable.

Welcome to the board Chris, and thanks for the heads up.

P<*)))>{

Did Dern notice if any of the Feds had radar? We will be heading thru that area this Thursday and we want to get there ASAP. :biggrin:

Bajahowodd - 3-31-2009 at 11:25 PM

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Originally posted by bajachris
Dennis

Please bare with me while I try to outgrow my Newbiness. I will try out that giveachitometer, maybe that will speed up the process. Thanks for the advice :lol:

BTW, does someone have a manual or something explaining proper Nomad etiquette? :spingrin:

Does Chris want to get naked with Dennis?? :?:

bajachris - 3-31-2009 at 11:34 PM

Please. This thread has lost its usefulness. Later.

Bajahowodd - 3-31-2009 at 11:45 PM

Diogenes was searching for an honest man. I seek someone with a sense of humor.

This thread continues to be useful because there are so many people invested in passing through the areas mentioned, and safety and truth are paramount to their sense of well-being.

Mulegena - 4-1-2009 at 12:32 AM

To revisit my post of a few days ago I've copied the pertinent ideas followed by commentary.

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Originally posted by Mulegena

We approached Punta Prieta (had transmission problems) ... asked for a mechanic and slowly drove to his house at the top of the hill.

He and his wife took us to the grocery store and got them to open up so we could use the town's only phone to call our family ... The next morning ... We walked to the grocery store again to (use the public telephone). Again, the call was expensive and poor reception ...

Over a lunch ... our (Mexican) hosts gently told us they had heard of robberies and murders on the highway north. As we asked specific questions the answers were always affirmative, even if ambiguous and contradictory. We realized that although they were sincere they could not substantiate their story, it was simply "common knowledge".

Our take on this? Even though Punta Prieta is on the highway it is effectively a remote and isolated community. There is only the most basic of phone services, and communication with the outside world occurs randomly and sporadic. Yes, of course we're cautious while traveling. However until specific incidents are recognized and documented, with reservation, we put these stories in the realm of urban legend.

These residents of Punta Prieta were trying to be helpful in speaking of these alleged incidents. They could not reference a timeframe, spoke in contradictory ways i.e., "yes its only Mexicans" and 2 minutes later, "yes two Americanos were harmed". I'm pointing out that this information was heresay. This is not to say it has no basis in fact. It is to say that this deserves careful and judicious substantiation.

Its human nature to embellish on fact. We may not be aware that we are doing so. A couple cases in point: the Mulege flood of 2 years ago: how many drownings? The San Lucas Cove shootout in December: how many died? The highway robbery of tourists south of Loreto recently-- did it really happen? I've heard so many different stories from so many sources, all sincere of course. Where lies the truth?

I believe somehing has been/is going on out on the highway. What? Until incidents are substantiated these allegations remain in the realm of whispers in the desert.

Please continue to post your personal accounts as you travel the peninsula. Everyone needs to know.

Sharksbaja - 4-1-2009 at 01:09 AM

Ok, let's corroborate our info. Do you give credibility to those aforementioned Nomads and their sources?

Is everything reported in "real-time"in Baja? :?:

Are we obliged to believe reports flowing in from otherwise "trusted" Nomads? Hell yeah!

I'll bite, why would someone like Shari, who comprehends the locals quite well be posting something that would be considered rumor or gossip? She wouldn't. I aint buying it, that it's just some rumor.

Still, I think whatever has been going on has been greatly exagerrated. It is something that is an everyday thang, the drama. Mexicans love drama. Watch any TV channel, you'll get the picture.

Now before you get all wound up and cancel your next trip just remember the Nomad credo, "Don't be stupid, don't be stopped!" THese acts of random jacks are nothing new.

There was a time not too long ago........ de ja vu..... that we heard the same bandito advisory much closer to border, remember the toll road? :wow:

Everyone take a deep breath and.........................chill. Oh and remember flare guns and pepper spray and spearguns and machetes are ok to carry.

Tally ho...

[Edited on 4-1-2009 by Sharksbaja]

[Edited on 4-1-2009 by Sharksbaja]

Paulina - 4-1-2009 at 07:28 AM

I'm editing after reading all that was posted while I pecked away at the keyboard.

This report is current. Dern was heading south during the time period of March 14 - 15th.

He drove north from Bahia on Mar. 23rd.

Going south Dern came up on a Caminos Federales (C.F.) following a nice white 4x4 truck with a loaded down trailer. Dern was waiting for the C.F. to pass the truck, but it stayed behind it from Laguna Chapala all the way to the wrecking yard at the Bahia turn off. They were doing maybe 55mph the entire way.

Once they got to the wrecking yard, both the truck and the C.F. pulled in. Dern made the turn to Bahia so didn't see what happened next.

Two weeks as later Dern was heading north between Laguna Chapala and Catavina, Dern was passed by a Caminos Federal going south. As Dern looked in his rear view mirror the cop flipped a U turn and came up behind him.

Dern was thinking, "Oh crap, here we go..." prepared for a shake down as he was only going 50 mph. towing a trailer with a cement mixer on it.

The C.F. followed behind them for about a half mile or so until Dern came up over a rise to find a Caminos Federales road block. They had a C.F. truck and about four officers with machine guns. They were checking Mexican I.D.s and cars going in both directions. The C.F. that came up behind Dern got out of the car and went to the C.F. group, smiled and waved at Dern.

Dern was waved through.

He didn't notice any radar, but going through the S.Q. and San Vincente area in both directions there was a greater presence of C.F. than usual. He said he must have passed 4 - 6 just in that area.

Have a good trip EGL. We'll be in Bahia April 12th for the week...(hint hint)
Love to the Barbanator.

P y D y C

[Edited on 1-4-2009 by Paulina]

Bajaboy - 4-1-2009 at 07:42 AM

Paulina: Thanks for the info. We'll be in PSR tomorrow with EGL (hint, hint)

Sharks: There is no reason to not to believe what Shari or anyone else has posted. But I am not going to blindly believe what has been passed on from person to person to person as fact. Just because the lady at the taco stand said that she heard that someone was carjacked means that it actually happened. It could be that the bus driver that told her had bad info. Thus, the taco lady is only passing on incorrect or incomplete info. I think it is only prudent to ask questions and seek more information before coming to rash conclusions.

I'll report what I see and hear along the way when I return. Take it for what it's worth. I'm sure Pancho will have some second and third-hand gossip for us to chew on.

Zac

Paulina - 4-1-2009 at 07:50 AM

Zac,

You guys have a good trip. If you think about it, would you ask Pancho if he would ever consider selling that special chair that he has? I really NEED it.

Enjoy!

P<*)))>{

DianaT - 4-1-2009 at 08:04 AM

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Originally posted by Paulina

The C.F. followed behind them for about a half mile or so until Dern came up over a rise to find a Caminos Federales road block. They had a C.F. truck and about four officers with machine guns. They were checking Mexican I.D.s and cars going in both directions. The C.F. that came up behind Dern got out of the car and went to the C.F. group, smiled and waved at Dern.

[Edited on 1-4-2009 by Paulina]

That is what I like to hear---more police or army. We drove north three days after Dern, March 26 and noticed nothing different---so lets hope they were successful, and/or will continue to increase stops and patrols.

Headed back soon---not sure when, so will be interested to hear what any one sees between now and then.

Diane

Bajaboy - 4-1-2009 at 08:20 AM

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Originally posted by Paulina
Zac,

You guys have a good trip. If you think about it, would you ask Pancho if he would ever consider selling that special chair that he has? I really NEED it.

Enjoy!

P<*)))>{

Will do...I remember when that whale had washed up. Poncho eventually collected most of the bones and assembled them up near his place. It was great until the breeze would shift and the stench blew towards his place where we were playing checkers. Over the years, he fashioned the chair from the bones and I have seen many people's picture taken there.

I was hoping our paths would cross on this trip....maybe this summer!

[Edited on 4-1-2009 by Bajaboy]

schwlind - 4-1-2009 at 08:51 AM

I am not fortunate enough to live in Baja full time or most of the time, but for years, when I crossed the border into Baja, something miraculous happened, as all stress seemed to fall away. The only thing I ever worried about was some idiot driver passing on a blind curve or hill (and there have been many)...

Over the last several years, the various reports of car jackings along the toll road to Ensenada, violence and kidnappings in TJ, Rosarito, Ensenada, San Quintin, the shooting in El Rosario where an innocent restaurant owner was slaughtered, and the recent reports of car jackings, robbery, etc between El Rosario and Guerrero Negro as well as too many other bad things to mention, have caused me concern, I doubt it will keep me away. What it does for me is make me very cautious, (I often travel alone) make me extremely aware of my surroundings, travel during the busiest times of the day, and do what ever I can to keep myself safe.

Perhaps these types of things have always occurred in Baja, but I was just never aware of them. So regardless of whether or not any incident reported on BajaNomad is 100% accurate, or may be over blown, I am grateful for those that post this information as it heightens my awareness, and probably keeps me safe.

Stangely enough, even now when I cross the border heading south to mi casa... I am so at peace.

Petey - 4-1-2009 at 09:09 AM

I drove that stretch of highway on 3/27 on my way from Mulege to El Rosario. (Saw this thread after I got home to California on Saturday -joy!)

There were very few cars on the road- even less than normal, but I did pass a Federale heading south near El Pedregoso and I saw two more cars parked by the road a few minutes south of El Rosario - they all hd the big new blue patrol cars.

On a general note there is definately more military activity the length of the peninsula than the last time I drove it back in November of last year. They're taking the searching of cars more seriously & recording everyone's name, tag number, kind of car and where you say you're coming from & going to.

Bajahowodd - 4-1-2009 at 10:24 AM

I'm going off-topic here, but how would people react if our military set up checkpoints on the interstate highway system and recorded similar information?

shari - 4-1-2009 at 10:48 AM

for what it's worth...our friends in Tortugas heard about the rumours and have to go to ensenada to a doctors appointment and so they called the military to confirm...es verdad...yup, it is happening.

Bajaboy - 4-1-2009 at 11:08 AM

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Originally posted by shari
for what it's worth...our friends in Tortugas heard about the rumours and have to go to ensenada to a doctors appointment and so they called the military to confirm...es verdad...yup, it is happening.

What are the details from the military? Time frame? etc? Did they say? Thanks for sharing...

shari - 4-1-2009 at 11:20 AM

sorry zac...i am dealing with Sarah's shipwreck at the moment and didnt get the details...will try to later on...whew...its gonna be a long day. I really need to find Juanchy's cell # in La Bocana so he can help...any suggestions?

ELINVESTIG8R - 4-1-2009 at 01:57 PM

While I was in El Rosario I was pulled over on two occasions at roadblocks set up south of El Rosario by the San Quintin Policia Federal de Caminos. They were looking for robbers from the Cataviña area. I do not know if they caught them or not.

DENNIS - 4-1-2009 at 02:08 PM

These states are turning into an active crime zone. The perps know they have little chance of getting caught. When the heat rises, they just settle back and wait. This wouldn't be happening if guns were allowed. Good people with guns are still good people. Now, only bad people have guns and the good are suffering.

Yeah yeah...I know. Blame the United States. Our guns made good people bad. Yeah...right.

DianaT - 4-1-2009 at 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DENNIS
These states are turning into an active crime zone. The perps know they have little chance of getting caught.

Still hoping to hear more about the army. If they told the people in Tortuga that is is happening, it would be nice to know how often, to whom, and how are they planning of helping the situation.

The details seem very important---and yes, maybe they will just hang back if the heat is turned up, but it could help.

Diane

Sharksbaja - 4-1-2009 at 02:55 PM

Zac, I think you may have misread my post. I believe Sharis' source. I made a slight edit because it could easily be taken out of context.

Now as far as credible and pertaining to current problems I'd like to think that word of(Mexican) mouth travels fast. Remember, they don't have many phones or ways to communicate in that area.

If Shari believes the messagers than that's good nuff for me.

I wonder if any of the alleged jacked cars has been found. I imagine if a copter or plane was to sweep the area a stash of 50 vehicles would be pretty easy to spot.

Anyone see aircraft patrols? Be careful.

Hook - 4-1-2009 at 04:20 PM

Just came back along the Nogales-San Carlos corridor last night, after viewing a week's worth of ST baseball and the Sweet 16 tourney in Glendale, AZ. Was carrying a dungload of visible goodies from the states including a virtually new ATV, a NIB inflatable and Costco and Volvo marine products up the wazoo.

No incidents. One federale at the K21 checkpoint questioned whether I had "papers" for the ATV but when I replied that I am only going to San Carlos, he waved me through.

Angel's offense looks to be the real thing, even without Tex. A's will be competitive...........but that's about it. White Sox will hit but starting pitching looks thin. Cubs batting order is something to behold. Mariners will likely suck again.

UConn looks to be the team to beat, IMO. Damn..........I hate that school! Calhoun bites.

Scottsdale is ONE FUN TOWN, even for a old guy like me.

Oh yeah, what ever became of the U-haul Couple for Jehovah?

[Edited on 4-1-2009 by Hook]

Mulegena - 4-1-2009 at 04:30 PM

Thank you, Shari, for your update.
You're in a unique position within the whole of the Baja community,
a liason between the part-time visitor, resident visitor and citizen.

Yours is the most credible report I've heard, and gives total substantiation to these rumors.
We trust that you'll report in as you find out more details.
Sobering news.

Thanks again, Shari!

Pacifico - 4-1-2009 at 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DENNIS
These states are turning into an active crime zone. The perps know they have little chance of getting caught. When the heat rises, they just settle back and wait. This wouldn't be happening if guns were allowed. Good people with guns are still good people. Now, only bad people have guns and the good are suffering.

Yeah yeah...I know. Blame the United States. Our guns made good people bad. Yeah...right.

Dennis - I gotta say that I agree with you! These guys would have tried to jack the wrong car and would have been in for quite a surprize! Would love to be the one to show them the business end of a .45!!! You never know - I've heard of plenty of people that still take guns down south....Not the smartest thing to do, but could save your life...

elgatoloco - 4-1-2009 at 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Paulina

He didn't notice any radar, but going through the S.Q. and San Vincente area in both directions there was a greater presence of C.F. than usual. He said he must have passed 4 - 6 just in that area.

Have a good trip EGL. We'll be in Bahia April 12th for the week...(hint hint)
Love to the Barbanator.

P y D y C

[Edited on 1-4-2009 by Paulina]

Thanks for the heads up everyone on this thread. We will keep it at 60 km to avoid any radar love. :saint:

Here's hoping we have no problemas. We will keep our eyes open and if we don't make it back then........?

I have to be in Salt Lake City/Sacramento/San Francisco/Los Angeles/San Diego the week of the 12th, damn work! :mad:

See you this summer!? :dudette:

Give D & C a hug from us!

I am reminded of the old game of telephone where by the end of the circle the story is slightly reworked and has a different tone but typically has elements of the original. Lets hope the good guys get the bad guys.

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"There's a fine line between fishing and just standing on the shore like an idiot"

DENNIS - 4-2-2009 at 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hook
Oh yeah, what ever became of the U-haul Couple for Jehovah?

They're still out there.

David K - 4-2-2009 at 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DENNIS

Quote:

Originally posted by Hook
Oh yeah, what ever became of the U-haul Couple for Jehovah?

They're still out there.

Perhaps after seeing Baja, they realize that they HAVE found heaven?

Caught some criminals

Porky Pig - 4-2-2009 at 08:31 AM

From today's "El Vigia" newspaper

Today he is 2 of April of 2009 Subscriptions | Publicity | Circulation | Escríbenos | We

The Watch > the News > the Valley

IN THE SECTION THE ROSARIO-CATAVIÑA
They catch supposed attackers of the South

Two tie subjects in at least 4 robberies with firearm in the Transpeninsular highway fall, and other 2 are fugitive of justice

Elements of the Ministerial Police assured to Rescuing Edgar Barajas Zarate of 18 years of age; and Daniel Botello Lopez, 21 years of age.
By Caesar Córdova/EL WATCH
2009-04-01 00:00: 00
Cove, B.C. - They capture in Tijuana 2 tie subjects in at least 4 robberies with firearm in the Transpeninsular highway, in the section Rosary, and other 2 are fugitive of justice.

These people on board a vehicle reached to their victims encañonaban, them forced, them to pause, cleared the units soon to them were left in places desolate.

Elements of the Ministerial Police of Estado (PME), assured to Rescuing Edgar Barajas Zarate of 18 years of age; and Daniel Botello Lopez, 21 years of age, by its presumed participation in 4 robberies with violence happened to the South of the municipality.

The director of Previous Inquiries of the suboffice of the judge advocate general of Embosomed zone indicated that these 2 people realised the holdups along with Alfonso Bojorquez Bojorquez, of 37 years of age; and Juan Martin Ramirez Quiñónez, of 21 years, and that are fugitive of justice.

Frame Antonio Chavarría Lopez indicated that this band this implied in 4 robberies conducted in the wagon section included between San Quintín and Black Guerrero, South Baja California; and in a shooting against a conductor who managed to escape of being assaulted.

The way to operate

Investigations realised by ministerial agents reveal the modus operandi of the indicated ones, that on board a vehicle in movement catch up to the unit of their victims, from threatened them to the window a pistol, while they ordered to them that they paused.

Once the conductors stopped their march, they were raised the vehicles of the presumed people in charge, transported who them by a breach to a solitary place they left where them and automotive ones took their to sell them in the city of Tijuana.

Chavarría Lopez assured that investigations the ministerial ones in the towns of the zone where the assaults were committed, to puntaron until the colony Summits of the Ruby, Delegation of San Antonio of the Good ones in the border city, where 2 members of the band were stopped.

At the time of the securing were 3 vehicles with robbery report, the units are pick up marks to Ford Ranger blue color, model 2004; a light truck marks Jeep Cherokee, white color, model 199; and mark Toyota Corolla, white color, model 1990 soothe.

The 2 stopped were put at the disposal of the agent of the Public Ministry of the Common Law, that will give legal pursuit of the case.

With regard to the fugitives, Frame Antonio Chavarría Lopez exhorted to the community for denunciation to telephones (646) 1522700, exte3730 and 3731, or (646) 1723520, what that information that is useful to find the whereabouts.

David K - 4-2-2009 at 09:18 AM

Thanks for the good news Dave/Juanita... !

shari - 4-2-2009 at 09:37 AM

would it be possible to add the link so we can read it in spanish?? por favor

DianaT - 4-2-2009 at 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by shari
would it be possible to add the link so we can read it in spanish?? por favor

http://www.elvigia.net/noticias/?seccion=elvalle&id=17419&como=

Sorry it happened at all, hope they caught the correct people, and hope the 40 or 50 numbers were a result of the natural increase in the rumor mill.

shari - 4-2-2009 at 10:25 AM

they only caught 2 of them and 2 of their buddies are still at large but hopefully this will stop the problem in that area for the meantime anyway.

Cardon Man - 4-2-2009 at 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DENNIS
This wouldn't be happening if guns were allowed. Good people with guns are still good people. Now, only bad people have guns and the good are suffering.

I agree whole heartedly.

DianaT - 4-2-2009 at 11:22 AM

Just another thought about the police catching two of the perps---we hope the correct ones.

Things happen everywhere---I know that is REALLY profound, be sure to write it down. :rolleyes:

But what is important to me is that the problem was addressed and from the reports of extra police, police stops, etc., it seems like they were aggressive in their response---a good thing.

It is a good and positive message.

Just my thoughts
Diane

bajachris - 4-2-2009 at 11:34 AM

Thank You Nomads. This is the best news I have heard all week.

Before I pack my truck and head south I want to encourage everyone to stay on this. The good news should face the same scrutiny that the bad news has in the interest of keeping all of us safe. So lets verify this one too.

jack - 4-2-2009 at 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pacifico

Quote:

Just for reassurance, there were many times I wished that I had my 9mm with me in Mexico. But after hearing the story of what happened to an acquaintance of mine when he got caught with his gun, I never got up the nerve to take mine down. After reading posts on alternative legal protection devices a flare gun sounded like the way to go. Before running out and buying one a friend and I bought some flares for his Defender shotgun with an 18" barrel. The results were very disappointing, and that was with a barrel 4 times longer then a flare gun.
We shot at a piece of 1/4" plywood about 10 feet away. The flare did not go through it, it just bounced off, no burn mark, but it did put a round dent the size of the 12 gauge shell in the plywood. The dent was only about 3/32" deep. I could have done more damage by throwing a stone at the plywood. The conclusion, forget the flare gun. Anyone got any better ideas?

longlegsinlapaz - 4-2-2009 at 12:52 PM

Wasp spray with a 20-25' range! :yes:

Please tell us

Dave - 4-2-2009 at 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jack
But after hearing the story of what happened to an acquaintance of mine when he got caught with his gun, I never got up the nerve to take mine down.

I'm of the opinion that being armed and in trouble is better than not being armed and dead.

Curt63 - 4-2-2009 at 01:16 PM

It appears that they target vehicles that "blend in" to the Tijuana scenery for a quick sale. This M.O. makes perfect sense to me and answers a lot of my questions.

Kind of makes you want to drive a big lifted Gringo 4x4 for a different reason...

Sharksbaja - 4-2-2009 at 05:10 PM

for fun and not for looks?

Paladin - 4-2-2009 at 05:16 PM

Dave

Im sure you have also heard the
I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6.

I was raised by a cop who also was a champion target shooter for 50 plus years.

Here is what he used to carry in his pocket among other carries.

http://www.naaminis.com/lrifle.html

I took mine out squirrel hunting a couple of times with it loaded with snake shot. In that critical 7 to 25 feet area, this gun and load does wonders.

Once you get tuned in to the thought of "stop the threat" instead of the 44 magnum mentality, this could do quite well in a number of "situations"

Also its a 22 and most likey would cause less of serious charge than being caught with the traditional prohibited military caliburs.

Me, I follow the laws and just smile.

ELINVESTIG8R - 4-2-2009 at 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Paladinhttp://www.naaminis.com/lrifle.html

I carried one of these for years amongst others I had. Of course no fancy folding holster grip back then. You can palm it without anyone knowing you have it. This at close range is a beauty! I would not recommend taking it to Mexico though!

Running the Gauntlet

Lee - 4-2-2009 at 08:10 PM

Maybe I haven't read all the posts for this thread. I don't recall seeing anything about how to avoid running into an ambush.

I can have binoculars in my passenger seat to look ahead if I have enough time. Also, my flare gun in hand pulling up to something that looks questionable could work.

Brought this question up to a MX/Ameri friend recently and he said slow down with ''intent'' to shoot through the roadblock, if necessary.

Can't say that getting killed over my car and possessions is a good thing but I live with a ''won't be taken alive'' mentality.

Anyone else?

bajachris - 4-2-2009 at 08:41 PM

So far convoys seem to be the only solution. I will probably wait at the PEMEX in El Rosario for a couple other cars to hook with when I pass through this area. Safety in numbers. Oh and don't stop.

bajachris - 4-2-2009 at 08:45 PM

We just heard from our friends in BOLA and the word is 8 people associated with these events have been arrested. Its' hard to be sure about the number but this is positive indicator.

Still have not heard any verification of Judicial involvement. I would like to know who to watch out for. Anyone?

Sharksbaja - 4-2-2009 at 09:08 PM

"I would like to know who to watch out for. Anyone? "

What do you mean?

No reports from recent visitors.

Pompano - 4-2-2009 at 09:18 PM

Within the last 3 weeks I have had motoring friends staying at mi casa from Tijuana, Ensenada, San Jose del Cabo, and King City, Ca. A reunion of sorts between old Baja fans.

3 Mexican plates, 1 California. Naturally, they all drove that section of highway, 3 southbound and 1 northbound. None reported any strange happenings after I emailed them about the troubles in the area in question. Thier trips went okay and I'm extremely glad they all made the trip unscathed.

I have other amigos from Rosarito arriving tomorrow for the Easter holidays and will quiz them also. I'll be making a drive to San Diego soon and will visit with friends residing in the area to see what the local scuttlebutt has to say.

Let's hope this was an anomaly and the perps have been caught. Baja Sur community businesses do not need this kind of publicity.

[Edited on 4-3-2009 by Pompano]

robrt8 - 4-2-2009 at 09:26 PM

This is a Mexican issue that, according to the article posted here, has been going on for a long time.
Watch out for? Watch out for that a$$%#@! currently working at secondary in Tecate.

bajachris - 4-2-2009 at 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sharksbaja
"I would like to know who to watch out for. Anyone? "

What do you mean?

The mention of Judicial involvement. We do not have any specifics about that. Other than north of Ensenada I have never had any problems with Federales, soldiers or local police. The soldiers I see on the road and near my house have been great. Same with the cops I know in the small towns I frequent. I do not have any experience with federales. Just wondering if I need to be more careful with these guys.

Bajahowodd - 4-2-2009 at 11:54 PM

And somehow a thread about clarifying what, if any, criminal activity was occurring South of El Rosario, and how folks can be protected, somehow becomes a gun show? Although I'm having a little trouble deciphering the previous post, I'm guessing that contraband in either direction is gonna cause grief.

Just stay alert

Lee - 4-3-2009 at 09:19 AM

There use to be a military checkpoint just South of El Rosario but it's been awhile since it's been manned.

Just a generalization but all the military checkpoints look the same -- and I don't expect any checkpoints between El Rosario and Punta Prieta. My first instinct if I were to see a checkpoint would be to assess that it is a real checkpoint. (A ambush checkpoint might have 2-4 guys with guns standing around, etc.) I'd probably turn back if I could before approaching that kind of situation and getting help somewhere.

Convoy is not a bad idea but doesn't help if no one is armed.

Not sure I'd stop for accidents either -- unless it looked real. A stranded motorist wouldn't qualify -- unless gringo. Even then, assess the situation.

As always, have your ''suspicious meter'' turned on and err on the side of caution.

EnseNADAslim - 4-3-2009 at 09:37 AM

Last time we headed south through that area we had a hand held VHF radio scanning. Who knows who that have planted where, and it's just a guess that they might use a VHF to communicate---but just a wild guess.

But yea, don't stop, stay alert, and I drive like I have somewhere to go!

ELINVESTIG8R - 4-3-2009 at 02:19 PM

Hey Pompano put the pictures of that HOGLEG back up. It added a nice touch to this thread.

DENNIS - 4-3-2009 at 02:21 PM

This thread is becoming threadbare.

ELINVESTIG8R - 4-3-2009 at 02:26 PM

Nah can't be. This is 100% pure 1500 thread count Egyptian Cotton

Pompano - 4-3-2009 at 02:48 PM

Nope, David..the humor is lost here. And...it's a bad news day back east. I did not know that when I posted. I'm sensitive to that.

ELINVESTIG8R - 4-3-2009 at 02:58 PM

I'm sorry about the lack of humor here. And the back east thing, well, what can I say. I still loved that Hog-Leg though!

[Edited on 4-3-2009 by ELINVESTI8]

Sharksbaja - 4-3-2009 at 02:58 PM

Thanks.

longlegsinlapaz - 4-3-2009 at 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pompano
Nope, David..the humor is lost here. And...it's a bad news day back east. I did not know that when I posted. I'm sensitive to that.

Wise man!

I appreciate your sensitivity!

ELINVESTIG8R - 4-3-2009 at 08:32 PM

Oh Geez Louize!

robrt8 - 4-3-2009 at 08:34 PM

I wish I had more posts so I would seem legitimate.

bajabound2005 - 4-3-2009 at 08:47 PM

Why hasn't this thread come to an end?

Sharksbaja - 4-3-2009 at 09:33 PM

I think were trying to set a record. Say g'nite Irene!

DianaT - 4-3-2009 at 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sharksbaja
I think were trying to set a record. Say g'nite Irene!

Good Nite Gracie-------

OK, Good Nite Gracie

Irene is still at the ball.

Diane

Boy does that show the age.

[Edited on 4-4-2009 by jdtrotter]

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