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Swine flu outbreak in Mexico!!!

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JESSE - 4-29-2009 at 12:52 AM

Its funny, only 26 deaths have actually been partially confirmed as swine flu deaths in all of Mexico. Of those, only 7 are 100% positive. This whole thing is going to end up being a huge exageration. I am willing to bet on it.

fishbuck - 4-29-2009 at 01:23 AM

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Originally posted by JESSE
Its funny, only 26 deaths have actually been partially confirmed as swine flu deaths in all of Mexico. Of those, only 7 are 100% positive. This whole thing is going to end up being a huge exageration. I am willing to bet on it.

I've seen the numbers somewhat higher. But in all due respect Jesse, I don't think those dead people are exagerating.
It's good if governments are over-reacting a bit. What if they weren't and this virus was still killing people.
So hopefully we can all laugh about this in a week or two.
Except for the muete. They ain't laughing.

JESSE - 4-29-2009 at 01:55 AM

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I feel for those people, but considering the actual death rate, i say this is no worst than regular flu.

flyfishinPam - 4-29-2009 at 06:12 AM

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I feel for those people, but considering the actual death rate, i say this is no worst than regular flu.

Jesse you are right.

Packoderm - 4-29-2009 at 06:24 AM

Wouldn't a mask help prevent the spread of germs if the wearer of the mask sneezes or coughs? I've seen a slow motion video of a sneeze, and little droplets go everywhere. It would seem that a mask would help contain that a bit. At this juncture, if I had to be on a crowded bus, especially in Mexico City or Cancun, I would rather that the other passengers wore masks.

Packoderm - 4-29-2009 at 06:27 AM

I would agree more with Jesse if the few deaths that happen with this flu happened to the typical types of patients as the seasonal flu, but this flu is hitting the strong and healthy which doesn't sound as benign. I hope Jesse is correct though.

gnukid - 4-29-2009 at 06:32 AM

We are in GN now having passed through the southern ranches and dust storms the last day, there are ranchers on horses in the desert with masks, cars and buses full of people with masks, many restaurants are closed, gas staion attendents have masks, everyone who works for the government is wearing a mask even when they are alone in a ac office or in a vehicle with the windows closed. We are serious in Mexico when it comes to buen salud...

Too bad they had shut down the whole economy just to distract people from whatever other crisis they wish to avoid. Lets just say most people are more than a bit skeptical and quite suspicious of this "crisis" and for that matter all these sudden "crisis".

See you with your mask and gloves, good luck eating breakfast!

flyfishinPam - 4-29-2009 at 07:04 AM

Vitamin D over shots for flu prevention

http://heidilore.wordpress.com/2008/10/03/avoid-flu-shots-ta...

this portion of the link above is especially interesting for the BCS:

"Something that can explain why flu epidemics also occur both in warm and cold climates is this: During a flu epidemic, wherever it may be, the atmosphere blocks ultraviolet B (UVB) radiation from the Sun. In the temperate zones above latitude 35 degrees North and South, the sun is at a low enough angle in the winter that the ozone layer in the atmosphere absorbs and blocks the short-wavelength (280–315 nanometers) UVB rays. In the tropics during the wet season, thick rain clouds block UVB rays.

Skin contains a cholesterol derivative, 7-dehydrocholesterol. UVB radiation on skin breaks open one of the carbon rings in this molecule to form vitamin D. The activated form of vitamin D (1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D) attaches to receptors on genes that control their expression, which turn protein production on or off. Vitamin D regulates the expression of more than 1,000 genes throughout the body. They include ones in macrophages, cells in the immune system that, among other things, attack and destroy viruses. Vitamin D switches on genes in macrophages that make antimicrobial peptides, antibiotics the body produces. Like antibiotics, these peptides attack and destroy bacteria; but unlike antibiotics, they also attack and destroy viruses.

Vitamin D also expresses genes that stop macrophages from overreacting to an infection and releasing too many inflammatory agents – cytokines – that can damage infected tissue. Vitamin D, for example, down regulates genes that produce interleukin-2 and interferon gamma, two cytokines that prime macrophages and cytotoxic T cells to attack the body’s tissues. In the 1918–19 Spanish flu pandemic that killed 500,000 Americans, young healthy adults would wake up in the morning feeling well, start drowning in their own inflammation as the day wore on, and be dead by midnight, as happened to my 22-year-old grandmother and my wife’s 24-year-old grandmother. Autopsies showed complete destruction of the epithelial cells lining the respiratory tract resulting, researchers now know, from a macrophage-induced severe inflammatory reaction to the virus. In a terribly misguided way, these victims’ own immune system attacked and killed them, not the virus, something in future pandemics vitamin D, in appropriate doses, can prevent."

So an important point here is that we have plenty of UVB in BCS. Also if you can follow this explaination above as per how vitamin D works this can explain its effectiveness.

Take vitamin D

For what it's worth..some Baja Sur flu news in this email I just received from a La Paz business..

Pompano - 4-29-2009 at 11:12 AM

"Well everyone has been a little rattled by the news of this swine flu down here in Mexico. We have been closely watching the US news, Mexican news and local Baja Sur news , thankfully my wife's mother is the head of the Red Cross for our Baja Sur state and she has been keeping us up to date daily on the new developments here in the Baja Sur and in Mexico city.

So far there have been no reported cases in our state, everyone has been taking precautions but common sense and calm is starting to kick in after the initial shock of hysteria provided by the media. We did pose the question to her today "is it safe to travel to baja sur"? Because many of our clients are asking this exact question. The answer was yes, and for those of us that are here we don't need to be to nervous, our flu season is ending in Baja Sur and we suspect that they are getting control of the virus in Mexico City. We are thankfully in a very low density state with a very remote geographic location."

The Gull - 4-29-2009 at 07:11 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Like no one thinks caboron is going to spin the Vegas aspect of Baja?
:biggrin:

Did you mean Cabron? The similarity is interesting, que no?

Bajahowodd - 4-29-2009 at 07:13 PM

Es posible. :lol:

flyfishinPam - 4-30-2009 at 12:14 PM

for what its worth here is a tyical e-mail to my business also tourism:

"I have no concerns about travel with this warning. There is a lot of media hype, and they have a negative spin on just about everything. There were more people that died from the swine flu vaccine, or developed long term health ailments/conditions, then there were people who actually died from this type of flu in the 1970’s. With the popularity of global travel, new aliments/germs are being transmitted across borders daily. So we have much more exposure to conditions that have not been given a label or a scientific name.

I am just excited that everything is coming together, with planning only a week prior to departure. And look forward to meeting you, and experiencing your city. It will be a memorable visit!

See you soon. XXXXX

P.S. I agree with your recommendation of taking the Vitamin D, as I have been reading how it naturally boosts the immune system."

they are scheduled to arrive on sunday

flyfishinPam - 4-30-2009 at 02:16 PM

There is no vitamin D available in Loreto only multivitamins but here are some foods that are rich in vitamin D:

http://www.weightlossforall.com/foods-rich-vitamin-D.htm

wow looks like fish is good to eat! we eat yellowtail like 150+ days a year in fact we're eating it again today.

No?

Dave - 4-30-2009 at 02:52 PM

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There is no vitamin D available in Loreto

How about sunlight? Best source of vitamin D.

flyfishinPam - 4-30-2009 at 06:01 PM

Hi there sunlight only activates the form ov vitamin D that you take in. First you need to take it. I don't know the process but since its the UVB that activates it it could be a z to e transition on a double carbon bond. but not sure haven't looked it up

flyfishinPam - 4-30-2009 at 06:05 PM

cool as hell check this out

http://www.vivo.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/endocrine/othe...

it shows the cholesterol (B) ring of vitamin D3 opening as a result ov UVB exposure to the precursor for the active form vitamin D which is the result of metabolization

[Edited on 5-1-2009 by flyfishinPam]

flyfishinPam - 4-30-2009 at 07:22 PM

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Hi there sunlight only activates the form ov vitamin D that you take in. First you need to take it.

Hmmm, doesn't look like it from the Colorado link:
"Vitamin D is thus not a true vitamin, because individuals with adequate exposure to sunlight do not require dietary supplementation."
El sol. Cheap, natural, and renewable. I'm stickin' to it!

Kate

partially correct. technically vitamin D supplement is the form of vitamin d that is not active. so the stuff in the bottle is not the actual vitamin d that regulates feedback mechanisms in the body, it takes the sunlight to activate it. sunlight in and of itself is not vitamin d nor does it contain it. i am a synthetic organic chemist and stickin' to it.

[Edited on 5-1-2009 by flyfishinPam]

Dave - 4-30-2009 at 07:45 PM

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i am a synthetic organic chemist.

I can't quite put my finger on it but...There's something strangely oxymarooonic about this. :rolleyes:

cantinflas - 4-30-2009 at 07:47 PM

Thats funny :spingrin:

oldlady - 4-30-2009 at 08:23 PM

FFP, thanks. My "universal" prevention is Vitamin C; I upped the dose.
Looks like it's time to go back to good ol' Cod liver oil...

flyfishinPam - 5-1-2009 at 05:20 AM

ok i definately deserve the flack. i'm often gulity of typing before i think (and drooling over structures and not looking at the words) as many in here and have to admit with all this flu thing its making me and a lot of folks pretty crazy around here with kids out of school for three plus weeks and not technically being able to leave our houses to even go to work in my non essential industry.

how much sun does one need? I read for a light skin person like myself about 20 minutes of sunbathing? honestly those days are well behind me and I am not sure that I get that much sun anymore. I'm out in early morning and evening and am covered up with clothing and sunscreen when out during the sunniest part of the day. But a dark skinned person like my other half needs 5-6 times more sun exposure than that and he definately doesn't get that much sun. so we're drinking cod liver oil now yum.

oldlady - 5-1-2009 at 05:43 AM

FFP....Flack? Not from me! Post your resume, kiddo, and that will quell 'em.

(She has the credentials to be working on the cure, lucky for Loreto she "dropped in". I'll take her advice over...well...uh...the vice president's?)

Stay healthy, Pam and I hope this does not hurt your enterprise.

Russ - 5-1-2009 at 06:13 AM

Carnitas OK!

WHO 5:1:09.jpg - 27kB

bajalou - 5-1-2009 at 07:30 AM

From the Wall Street Journal

The four earliest confirmed cases are divided evenly between California and Mexico. In fact, it appears two children in California got sick in late March, several days before the first two known Mexico cases in early April.

A Swine by any other Name

MrBillM - 5-1-2009 at 09:53 AM

Reading a news article ayer (from Wednesday) by an expert in the field, it was pointed out by her that this is a variant of the SAME H1N1 that caused the 1918 Pandemic and the 1977 Russian epidemic.

I can't wait for one of the news Bimbos to bring that one up.

Maybe they should call it something else.

Since it started in Mexico, how about the Cucaracha Flu ? The Montezuma Flu ?

DENNIS - 5-1-2009 at 11:17 AM

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The Montezuma Flu ?

He gets his revenge in other ways.

BajaGringo - 5-1-2009 at 12:08 PM

Leo - 5-1-2009 at 03:26 PM

Very funny BG! your Pooh adaptation.

JESSE - 5-1-2009 at 04:19 PM

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Originally posted by Packoderm
I would agree more with Jesse if the few deaths that happen with this flu happened to the typical types of patients as the seasonal flu, but this flu is hitting the strong and healthy which doesn't sound as benign. I hope Jesse is correct though.

Its not the strong and healthy, its the strong and healthy PEOPLE FROM MEXICO CITY, wich have about the worst air quality and respiratory problems on the hemisphere. If this flu is a little more agressive on the respiratory system, wouldnt those that have lung problems be more at risk?

bcburt - 5-2-2009 at 01:42 AM

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This is the first thing I thought of as an explanation for the number of deaths in Mexico City from this flu.

Also, the city is at a high altitude which means there is less oxygen in the air to breath. This is not a city that I would want to live in with the heavy pollution, high altitude and over population.

Pandemic Pooh Pooh

MrBillM - 5-3-2009 at 08:36 AM

In another example of "Words mean what WE say they Mean", we are told this a.m. that people have gotten TOO worried over the use of the word Pandemic. After all, the Good Doctors say, "Pandemic" simply means it's something that's happening in more than one place at a time and isn't necessarily anything that bad.

Gee Whiz ! Up until we arrived at Change We Can Believe In, the Medical definition of PANdemic was an Epidemic that had spread to various geographical areas over the World.

No Worries now. What's the worst ? Death ? Not so bad. We'll simply re-define that to a "Transition to a Different State of Being".

We're living in an era of limitless possibilities (and definitions).

BajaGringo - 5-3-2009 at 08:52 AM

We all get there one day Mr. Bill.

Different roads, different times and with different stops. But they all end up at the same station...

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