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tripledigitken - 7-27-2009 at 06:58 PM

Here we go.......

DENNIS - 7-27-2009 at 07:24 PM

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Originally posted by noosesalesman

Back where we belong for our discussion.

DENNIS - 7-27-2009 at 07:33 PM

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Originally posted by noosesalesman
Are you still awake. Its after eight you know..... :cool:

Coffee. Lots of coffee.

BajaGringo - 7-27-2009 at 10:12 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Coffee. Lots of coffee.

A couple of shots of Kahlua or Baileys can improve that a degree or two...

:tumble:

woody with a view - 7-28-2009 at 05:25 AM

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Dennis, I wasn't seeing the sun rise from the crack UNDER the door. It was the crack going out the door which led me to the sunrise.

Don't worry, Gull. You'll have other opportunities. Perhaps your best op of the future will be to go up to Daves place and hover over the dumpster. I know he likes you and would feel good knowing you're well fed.

you guys are CRAZY!!!!! damn, glad to know ya! :lol:

Gadget - 7-28-2009 at 10:21 AM

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Dam that realll sucks I cannt believe they would rob Rickys place how much

money can they get there few hundred at the most these guys are

desperate.

Just one Semi automatic gun they carry cost around 3k right now and they

would risk all that over a few hundred dollars it doesnt make sense? :?:

Exactly, makes no sense whatsoever. The projected image is of AFI uniformed officers making a public scene for no benefit other than to make a scene.

You see in the news recently a huge increase in news of cartel influence-hundreds if not thousands of reports, many cartel 'interviews', it seems exaggerated, orchestrated and theatrical. The cartel's influence hasn't changed, while the reporting has along with very public incidents.

It would appear on the surface that at the moment there is an attempt to conflate evidence that a huge threat exists from the Mexican cartels influence, while we know that there is huge influence from 400 billion in US funding, hundreds of millions of funding for news stories, massive sensationalizing over non-existent "flu" threat etc... and there are huge drug profits.

So it would appear that Mexico is under a heavily funded assault to hurt the regular people economically and to make it a scape goat worldwide suggesting (falsely) the need for greater military funding and to use these issues as a distraction from issues which should be addressed such as improvements in education, infrastructure, and health.

New boss same as the old boss.

While I would not deny the validity of some reports-such as the Ricky's incident, in general, it appears to be highly funded and massively orchestrated attempt by the US to create the image that Mexico is the source of problems that must be addressed by US military while in fact these issues are largely orchestrated by US military operations.

In particular, the huge and sudden increase in media hyperbole is evidence.

The solution is forget about looking to politicians or military for help-they are of no help, take it upon yourselves to organize locally and manage your cities locally and stop funding the military and restrict their presence, military belongs on bases and on the borders not in cities.

Good Lord, I almost agree with gnukid here...perhaps from a different point of view a little, huh?
I have often pondered how and why it seems like the media has taken an interest in these events in BCN.
Could it be to formulate some sort of over exagerated concern for our neighbors to the south, so the public will back off on the open border policies?
Those who are allowed to come here paying no dues for the blessing to do so, reaping the benefits of all our hard work are a guaranteed voting block.
This will keep those who want to dismantle our country in power long term??? Food for thought.

Its been a while since I have made it across the border to surf my favorite spots, ( work related, not any fear) but I couldn't resist with the big southy this last week.
I have to admit I was a little anxious as to what I might find. Perhaps businesses boarded up and shattered shells of humans shuffeling about.
I'm pleased to say that from Rosarito south it all seemed business aws usual. Lots of traffic, folks friendly, taco stands open.
My friend and I chatted with a bright eyed young local surfer on the beach after we got out of the water from our first session. We asked about goings on in his hood. Told him we were sorry for all the grief they must be going through. Armando, just smiled and assured us everything was OK. The surf shop he works at is open and doing fine, shops and stores are open. He asked, "aren't you guys having economic troubles too"? He also commented that the bad guys can kill each other all they want, more dead is less bad guys, just like on "el otro lado". Smart kid!
We got alot of brass pointing fingers any where else with what is going on in our country on many levels IMHO.

Anyway, fantastic day, pumping surf, took 50+ house sized waves on the head as it was kinda out of control, sheet glass ocean, mid 60s water, torta grinds at favorite stand, 1hr border wait. :cool:

k-rico - 7-28-2009 at 01:07 PM

"I have often pondered how and why it seems like the media has taken an interest in these events in BCN."

Me too.

I think this is the reason:

Schadenfreude

I'm not buying gnukid's theory.

gnukid - 7-28-2009 at 02:41 PM

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Originally posted by k-rico
"I have often pondered how and why it seems like the media has taken an interest in these events in BCN."

Me too.

I think this is the reason:

Schadenfreude

I'm not buying gnukid's theory.

Please do not project upon me theories.

Clearly we have posed questions about the clearly suspicions nature of these patterns of events surrounding the terror incidents and reporting of similar incidents over time.

In this thread we noted the highly theatrical nature of the robbery by people in AFI uniforms. Odd, not the first time this has happened.

We noted the previous history of training and funding drug interdiction with US Military cross border training and the resulting Zetas gang with highly violent and precision military tactics, the increased funding from US to Mexico of 400 million dollars, military media buying budgets, increased deaths and numbers of events and increased drug/arms smuggling.

I noted the announcement of this weeks NLE National Level Exercises training foreign Military and US Military inside the US for terrorism exercises which have in the past included staging terror including hand books of how to stage false flag terror.

Please do your own research and come to your own conclusions.

I have no idea why these events continue or by whom.

If you have any more information please post links to references.

tripledigitken - 7-28-2009 at 02:51 PM

Gnukid,

Something for you to spin your liberal slant at.

Columbia has beat back the drug cartels to a great extent, with the help of the US "imperial" forces. Funny, but to me that seems like a template for Mexico to follow.

Ken

Gadget - 7-28-2009 at 03:00 PM

There is allot of what goes on out there currently Gnu, that for sure sucks.
Media spin for a focused agenda, I agree 100%.
Interesting???? a bias,very possible.
Research?
I gathered a little info from the street, plugged right into the thoughts of someone who is living things, a smart and articulate person for his age too.
My conclusions are currently valid until I decide otherwise. :rolleyes:

ELINVESTIG8R - 7-28-2009 at 03:23 PM

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Originally posted by tripledigitken
Gnukid,

Something for you to spin your liberal slant at.

Columbia has beat back the drug cartels to a great extent, with the help of the US "imperial" forces. Funny, but to me that seems like a template for Mexico to follow.

Ken

I agree with Ken on this.

DENNIS - 7-28-2009 at 03:26 PM

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Originally posted by tripledigitken

Columbia has beat back the drug cartels to a great extent, with the help of the US "imperial" forces. Funny, but to me that seems like a template for Mexico to follow.

Ken

Arn't they still the #1 supplier of Cocaine with Mexico their major customer?

ELINVESTIG8R - 7-28-2009 at 03:32 PM

Colombia is a far cry from what it once was that's for sure.

DENNIS - 7-28-2009 at 03:39 PM

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Colombia is a far cry from what it once was that's for sure.

That's probably true, David. I'm just wondering how far back they have actually been beaten. Or, has the government taken over the agriculture interests of the country.

ELINVESTIG8R - 7-28-2009 at 04:19 PM

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Colombia is a far cry from what it once was that's for sure.

That's probably true, David. I'm just wondering how far back they have actually been beaten. Or, has the government taken over the agriculture interests of the country.

Dennis you crack me up brother!

I do not have any firsthand knowledge of government corruption in Colombia but I'm sure it exists. As far as the government growing coca bushes I doubt it.

Mexico can only benefit from Colombia’s knowledge in their lessons learned while combating their drug war. Regardless of what anyone says I feel Mexico is doing a darn good job in taking down the drug cartels and are continually learning new techniques to be even better. Unfortunately more honest men and women will loose their lives for their country in their continuing effort to combat the drug trade. All those who die in the line of duty are patriots and deserve never to be forgotten.

Bajahowodd - 7-28-2009 at 04:31 PM

It amuses me that Ken puts quotes around "imperial", and then modifies the so-called success in Columbia. Fact is that drugs continue to be an immense source of wealth, just as the freakin' military-industrial thing is for fighting it. This is totally surreal. The wealth of nations being sucked dry over an unwinable conflict. But the folks involved don't give a raton's culo. They just keep getting richer. On both sides.

tripledigitken - 7-28-2009 at 04:39 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
It amuses me that Ken puts quotes around "imperial", and then modifies the so-called success in Columbia. Fact is that drugs continue to be an immense source of wealth, just as the freakin' military-industrial thing is for fighting it. This is totally surreal. The wealth of nations being sucked dry over an unwinable conflict. But the folks involved don't give a raton's culo. They just keep getting richer. On both sides.

I'm here to amuse you amigo, just as you continue to amuse me! We do share a love of Baja I trust?

The other stuff will get worked out in time regardless of which political fence you may sit on.

Ken

YUP !

CaboRon - 7-28-2009 at 04:43 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Arn't they still the #1 supplier of Cocaine with Mexico their major customer?

tripledigitken - 7-28-2009 at 04:57 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Arn't they still the #1 supplier of Cocaine with Mexico their major customer?

You're not disputing the fact that the quality of life in Columbia has improved because of the break-up of the cartels? That fact, I believe is not in question.

The important fact about Columbia is that the crime stemming from the cartels is way down. Tourist industry is returning, some normalcy has returned to many of the cities that were controlled by the cartels. (just ask Ken Cooke) If your goal is to eliminate the production of drugs you're going to be dissapointed, but if you are looking to reduce the violence from the cartels, then Columbia is a model to emulate.

Or, you can just give up and live the crappy life with the status quo that many of you complain about so often.

Ken

DENNIS - 7-28-2009 at 05:04 PM

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Mexico can only benefit from Colombia’s knowledge in their lessons learned while combating their drug war.

Well, I don't get it. If Colombia waged a successful war against the illicit drug undustry, how is Colombia still the number one producer?
I think all they did was kick some cartel butt, but somebody is still running the show. Who's growing all that stuff for whom?
Seems like the war in Colombia was to get the cartels off the streets...which they did. Wasn't the production of cocaine an issue in the war?
Splain it to me, David...Please.

fishbuck - 7-28-2009 at 05:09 PM

They moved to Peru and Bolivia and also Mexico.

There's a shift from Colombia toward Peru and Bolivia," he said. Peru was more worrisome, he added, because of "the penetration of international cartels, above all Mexicans."

But in both Peru and Bolivia, local police authorities have given drug producers freer rein. Crop eradication was down by more than 10 percent in the two countries, U.S. anti-drug officials said. They complain that Bolivia, which expelled U.S. drug agents last year, is no longer a serious partner in combating drugs.

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Woooosh - 7-28-2009 at 06:06 PM

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Today Columbia announced it had traced the FARC guns back to Venezuela- not the USA.

Priceless

toneart - 7-28-2009 at 06:08 PM

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My conclusions are currently valid until I decide otherwise. :rolleyes:

Gadget, that sentence is priceless. I would like to borrow it and use for the rest of my life, since I think it anyway. :spingrin:

Woooosh - 7-28-2009 at 06:11 PM

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Arn't they still the #1 supplier of Cocaine with Mexico their major customer?

Yes, they are still the major supplier. No. Mexico is no longer the major consumer or even conduit these days. It goes straight to Spain (bypassing Mexico) where it has higher street value. Nearby Portugal has also decriminalized ALL drugs. Only Weed and Meth go to the USA.

k-rico - 7-28-2009 at 06:24 PM

Hard to believe that the people of Portugal and Spain consume more than Americans, but maybe.

Why would any Americans buy Mexican pot? Made in the USA is so much better. High tech stuff.

What does an oz of Acapulco Gold go for these daze?

[Edited on 7-29-2009 by k-rico]

Woooosh - 7-28-2009 at 06:31 PM

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Hard to believe that the people of Portugal and Spain consume more than Americans, but maybe.

Why would any Americans buy Mexican pot? Made in the USA is so much better. High tech stuff.

The cartels are growing the high-quality chronic stuff stateside now. Just like on "Weeds". A huge bust last week in CA netted all Mexicans (but for one American) and $1.25 Billion in pot. As long as the money goes back to Mexico- it doesn't really matter who grows it or where... the result is the same.

Terry28 - 7-28-2009 at 06:33 PM

Back to the original topic....upon checking further, and with verifable sources..it seems both events did happen.....Dave, you were correct from the start......my apologies if you felt slighted..

k-rico - 7-28-2009 at 06:35 PM

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Sorta like the Japanese building Toyotas in Kentucky, or wherever. It makes sense to have production facilities near the consumers.

k-rico - 7-28-2009 at 06:45 PM

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Back to the original topic....upon checking further, and with verifable sources..it seems both events did happen.....Dave, you were correct from the start......my apologies if you felt slighted..

I was wondering about that. Do you know if they have caught the bad guys? Crimes aginst tourists is a big change in the situation. Should knock real estate prices down even further. "When there's blood in the streets...."

gnukid - 7-28-2009 at 07:08 PM

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The media report has not been supported broadly, though I understand Dennis is nearby and may be able to verify.

The report drew attention here and like a torero luring a bull it drew it attention because it's frightening and odd.

Many of us know each other through meeting and respect each other while there are quite a few posters who we do not know who post drivel and insults to draw attention away from discussion, making personal insults, asking questions that are unanswerable to flog a dead horse.

It's coming to the point where BN is becoming heavily invaded by these media assualts and unhelpful to newbies due to the vast numbers of distracting posters whose point is to draw attention away from rational discussion with clear points and supportive and neighborly comments instead with the single purpose to distract, inflame, make worse, and personally insult members to a degree anyone would find totally objectionable.

I fear that not only are out cites and community under media assault but so is our online community, by divisive, inflamatory posters with the goal of distracting the community from solutions and positive discussion.

I think that its clear who is insincere and its time to understand that not only are we under fire in the streets and in the papers but also online.

The most important issues remain general education, health and infrastructure.

ELINVESTIG8R - 7-28-2009 at 08:00 PM

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Mexico can only benefit from Colombia’s knowledge in their lessons learned while combating their drug war.

Dennis since I am no expert by any stretch of the imagination I found a news article somewhat splaining it. Beyond that I am at a loss to splain it further.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/06/22/colombia.co...

gnukid - 7-28-2009 at 08:37 PM

Military Communications Specialists are trained to be divisive posters and use the hegelian dialectic and propaganda technique to distract from reasonable discussion about community building and reduction in military toward improvements in education, health and infrastructure.

Military Training Exercises use a
Terror Handbook to create false flag terror in order to justify invasions and increases in Miltary presence and control.

While the real issues are clear, we are communities who require basic education, health and infrastructure, the majority do not support increasing Military presence in the USA, Mexico or any abroad in Afghanistan, the majority is against Military increases while the administration are organizing against Peace activists.

There is little evidence of terror threat except that created by the Administration. Such as the terror waged at Abu Graib where today Administration lost the court case to deny Habeus Corpus to a detainee who was picked up at the age of 12 for no verifiable reason and tortured.

Didn't feel slighted

Dave - 7-29-2009 at 09:19 AM

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It's you who deserves the apology. I find it unconscionable that a business would withhold information that affects the safety of its customers.

woody with a view - 7-29-2009 at 09:27 AM

why would they? what are the chances of the goons returning to the same place? 'specially if they took all the dollar bills the first time? :light:

DENNIS - 7-29-2009 at 09:43 AM

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why would they?

Yeah....why? Mexico is the land of denial. Let's not ruin a hard-earned image.

Lightning does strike twice

Dave - 7-29-2009 at 12:16 PM

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why would they? what are the chances of the goons returning to the same place? 'specially if they took all the dollar bills the first time? :light:

The market near my house has been robbed three times. But the point is that the more information provided the better prepared you'll be. I would at least tell my customers to carry small amounts of cash, leave jewelry and credit cards at home and provide a description of the vehicle.

But you can't do that if you deny it ever happened. :rolleyes:

burnrope - 7-30-2009 at 06:58 PM

Come on everybody. This post has a chance to catch up with the turtle bust post. It's Gnukid vs Ramuna 53. By the way what happened to Ramuna's #1-52?

noproblemo2 - 7-31-2009 at 05:42 PM

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I was in both places yesterday...no one knew anything about the incidents mentioned, so now what?????

We were in Cantilles today, Nick the owner most certainly knows about the robbery, 3 masked one no mask. He's talking.. And just very grateful no one was hurt, which was his main concern..

noproblemo2 - 7-31-2009 at 05:46 PM

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It's you who deserves the apology. I find it unconscionable that a business would withhold information that affects the safety of its customers.

The owner of Cantilles Nick, most certainly is speaking about the robbery, 3 masked one no mask and is just very grateful no one was hurt, which was his main concern..

noproblemo2 - 7-31-2009 at 09:00 PM

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Some of us live here, we know there are issues, we also have the "common sense" approach do not drive, go out at night attitude. Yes things happen, they happen in L.A. too, these robberies took place at night here, same things occur north of the border also. If you've had watered down drinks then you don't go to cantilles!!!!

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larry - 7-31-2009 at 09:03 PM

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Slave

You certainly have paid your dues in the Cantinas of TJ... Why the fuss?

The fuss is obviously alcoholism. If he was really the dedicated racist that he claims to be here, he would be devoting his time to white racist websites instead of a website populated with people who are interested in Mexico.

He gets banned daily and cannot stay away...desperate to interact with regular people...have you noticed that even the rightwingers avoid you? Seek counseling marooon.

rts551 - 7-31-2009 at 09:34 PM

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Slave

You certainly have paid your dues in the Cantinas of TJ... Why the fuss?

He lives a life inside of walls all by himself. No friends.. no one to interact with... this is his life . Poor sick fool, He needs to move back to San diego or maybe even eastern Texas. find someone who will listen to his nonsense,

noproblemo2 - 7-31-2009 at 09:39 PM

maybe Alaska :lol:

arrowhead - 8-1-2009 at 12:30 AM

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Some of us live here, we know there are issues, we also have the "common sense" approach do not drive, go out at night attitude. Yes things happen, they happen in L.A. too, these robberies took place at night here, same things occur north of the border also. If you've had watered down drinks then you don't go to cantilles!!!!

It amazes me that you cannot identify the contradiction in saying you have the "common sense" to not drive or go out at night. If you really had "common sense" you would not live as a prisoner in a place where you cannot drive or go out at night and then tell everybody how you live in a paradise.

I think the-guy-with-a-new-name-every-night comes here to get in your face precisely to point out the hypocrisy that runs rampant here...that and to get in the face of a few of you who are certifiably insane. His posts are no more controversial than catching the banter in Don Rickles' act in Las Vegas.

The same people all jump at his bait every night. If you were fish, you'd all be hooked every time a line was cast in the water.

And just for the record, the same things do not also happen north of the border. When is the last time you heard of the cops north of the border trying to match the severed heads to the bodies found along the road? When is the last time you read in the paper that the neighbors ran out to stop the kids from walking to school because they would have to walk by a vacant lot with 12 headless bodies? When is the last time you saw a "wanted" poster NOB where half of the people sought were current or former police officers?

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