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norte - 11-13-2009 at 04:31 PM

You did not answer the question. Any other nation in grey. In other words look how we compare

Barry A. - 11-13-2009 at 04:45 PM

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Originally posted by norte
You did not answer the question. Any other nation in grey. In other words look how we compare


Why, oh why, would I want to live any place else?

If your pointing out that we appear to be the only Western Nation without Socialized Medicine my response is, "so???" We are also the most prosperous, overall----for a reason. I have been to many of those blue Countries, and they are beautiful and interesting, but I would not want to live there, for a variety of reasons, but the biggest reason is that I love living in this Country. Socialized Medicine is "nice", but I don't believe that any Nation can afford it, for long, and still remain prosperous. And, more important and like I said, I believe that the concept is corrosive to society------kills ambition, and just leads to more dependency. Perhaps I am wrong, but that is what the people that I respect tell me, and until somebody convinces me otherwise I am going with what they tell me, and voting that way. This has little to do with "thinking for myself", and a lot to do with my instincts, experience, and counsel by folks that I respect and should know what they are talking about-----that is all I got to go on.

Barry

It's All My Fault

Bajahowodd - 11-13-2009 at 04:46 PM

I was very impressed with David's post. And, I have enjoyed so many of his posts and photos. My fault, because I should have utilized U2U with my recommendation. However, I think this thread demonstrates how valuable information can be diminished when politics gets involved. Once again, I took no point of view politically; just suggested to David that his historic work would be better served if he didn't get involved in political rhetoric in the same thread. Obviously, there are many points of view among the members of this forum. Great for lively debate. And yet, I'm gonna guess that probably 99% of us all would enjoy standing around and quaffing a cerveza, swapping Baja stories. That said, perhaps 80% or more of this thread actually does belong in off-topic.

Barry A. - 11-13-2009 at 04:50 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I was very impressed with David's post. And, I have enjoyed so many of his posts and photos. My fault, because I should have utilized U2U with my recommendation. However, I think this thread demonstrates how valuable information can be diminished when politics gets involved. Once again, I took no point of view politically; just suggested to David that his historic work would be better served if he didn't get involved in political rhetoric in the same thread. Obviously, there are many points of view among the members of this forum. Great for lively debate. And yet, I'm gonna guess that probably 99% of us all would enjoy standing around and quaffing a cerveza, swapping Baja stories. That said, perhaps 80% or more of this thread actually does belong in off-topic.


-------bottom line, I agree!!!

Barry

Bajahowodd - 11-13-2009 at 04:54 PM

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Originally posted by Barry A.
Quote:
Originally posted by norte
You did not answer the question. Any other nation in grey. In other words look how we compare


Why, oh why, would I want to live any place else?

If your pointing out that we appear to be the only Western Nation without Socialized Medicine my response is, "so???" We are also the most prosperous, overall----for a reason. I have been to many of those blue Countries, and they are beautiful and interesting, but I would not want to live there, for a variety of reasons, but the biggest reason is that I love living in this Country. Socialized Medicine is "nice", but I don't believe that any Nation can afford it, for long, and still remain prosperous. And, more important and like I said, I believe that the concept is corrosive to society------kills ambition, and just leads to more dependency. Perhaps I am wrong, but that is what the people that I respect tell me, and until somebody convinces me otherwise I am going with what they tell me, and voting that way. This has little to do with "thinking for myself", and a lot to do with my instincts, experience, and counsel by folks that I respect and should know what they are talking about-----that is all I got to go on.

Barry



Barry. you have hit the nub of the debate. It is exactly the idea of whether a nation can afford it without seriously impairing it's economic vibrancy. Folk whom I have debated with about this make compelling arguments. Yet even they will, if they are honest, recognized the social toll this takes upon our people. Geez. I don't have the answer. But what I do know is that too many people either don't get proper medical care, or fall though the cracks by not paying for it. I saw a theory floated that basically took the position that in the next few election cycles, anything that the Obama administration got passed could easily be reversed with a change in the makeup of congress, let alone the White House. So maybe it would do this country good to have a tryout. Just saying. If it scews things up, we can change it again.

tripledigitken - 11-13-2009 at 05:01 PM

From what is being floated, a "tryout" is not going to happen with the bill that they are trying to pass as it will not take effect until 2013. How does that help the uninsured the proponents of the bill are supposed to be so concerned about?

Barry A. - 11-13-2009 at 05:06 PM

History tells us "no"------- these types of social programs once established in a Democracy (or Republic) will remain. Folks (and politicians) are loath to vote out ANYTHING that they think benefits them directly, no matter what the cost------and Socialized Medicine certainly fits that senario.

As scholars have pointed out------folks will destroy a Country before they will vote out a program they believe benefits them NOW, and to hell with what happens down the line (bankruptcy, and the end of a free society, and Country as we know it)

It may "pass", but not with my support. I do understand your arguments, tho, and appreciate and listen to them.

I personally have had zero problems with my health insurance-----and nobody in my family, or friends, have either.

Barry

Bajahowodd - 11-13-2009 at 05:10 PM

Good point. The delay in enactment is just the result of all the compromises that have had to be made. The good thing about our form of government is that change comes slowly. The bad thing about our government is that change comes slowly. I don't have the answer. I do recognize that there are many people who truly believe that any form of public insurance will lead to major economic problems for this country. I have a tie to a Wall Street insider who has told me that the big issue for big money is that funding such a program will make us just like Europe, with low economic growth and high unemployment. I can understand that. On the other hand, there exixsts the specter of giving more people access to preventative care that should theoretically result in lower long term health care costs. Gawd. I really wish I knew what was right.

Ken Bondy - 11-13-2009 at 05:11 PM

Despite the sidetrack, this is great thread. My first PIC trip to Baja was in April of 1975. I flew a C177RG from Van Nuys to Palmilla with stops in Mexicali and Mulege (Serenidad). After that first trip I made 68 more trips PIC, with the last one in June of 1989 to Loreto. My trips were in a variety of rented airplanes (C172, 177, 182, 210, Beech F33 and A36) but most were in my own Baron 30SD. Favorite places were Punta Pescadero, Punta San Francisquito, and Rancho Meling. Baja flying was a great part of my life, and I will never forget those trips. Here's a picture of my beautiful old Baron at Rancho Santa Ynez:

David K - 11-13-2009 at 05:13 PM

COOL!

David K - 11-13-2009 at 05:14 PM

Ken, do you still have that video of a Punta San Francisquito takeoff?

Bajahowodd - 11-13-2009 at 05:17 PM

Guys. I've enjoyed this alot. I truly believe that most of you are looking for the best for our great country. And we are only going to move forward as a nation when people have calm, thoughtful and educated debates about this issues we face. I've gotta go now. But just wanted to express my appreciation for the thoughtful posts. Like I said before, I don't have the answer. It's probably obvious that I lean toward the left. That said, I value thoughtful and educated input. If only more folks on this board could act like adults. Thanks guys.

Ken Bondy - 11-13-2009 at 05:20 PM

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Originally posted by David K
Ken, do you still have that video of a Punta San Francisquito takeoff?


David I have a bunch of videotapes of both takeoffs and landings at San Francisquito, but unfortunately none of them are digital. Are you sure this one was mine? ++Ken++

David K - 11-13-2009 at 05:20 PM

Have a nice weekend howodd... Hey, do you have a real name too?

David K - 11-13-2009 at 05:22 PM

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Originally posted by Ken Bondy
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Originally posted by David K
Ken, do you still have that video of a Punta San Francisquito takeoff?


David I have a bunch of videotapes of both takeoffs and landings at San Francisquito, but unfortunately none of them are digital. Are you sure this one was mine? ++Ken++


I thought it was on your web site... linked to Nomad for us to watch... a few years ago? What other Nomad could it be... It wasn't Capt. Mike...

Barry A. - 11-13-2009 at 05:22 PM

Ken----------what a beautiful picture------especially of that beautiful Baron, my favorite airplane of all times. Flying one was a highlight of my life. (long ago, tho) :yes:

thanks for the pic.

(and thanks to all who have contributed to this thread-----on several levels :lol: )
Barry

Ken Bondy - 11-13-2009 at 05:24 PM

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Originally posted by Barry A.
Ken----------what a beautiful picture------especially of that beautiful Baron, my favorite airplane of all times. Flying one was a highlight of my life. (long ago, tho) :yes:

thanks for the pic.

(and thanks to all who have contributed to this thread-----on several levels :lol: )
Barry


Thanks Barry! Ditto on the Baron, it was like a family member.

Ken Bondy - 11-13-2009 at 05:26 PM

David - drawing a blank. I don't think I have ever had a link like that. I seem to remember Mike had a great video that he did with Greg that included either a takeoff or a landing (or both) from San Francisquito. ++Ken++

i think you guys may be thinking

capt. mike - 11-14-2009 at 08:59 AM

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Originally posted by Ken Bondy
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Ken, do you still have that video of a Punta San Francisquito takeoff?


David I have a bunch of videotapes of both takeoffs and landings at San Francisquito, but unfortunately none of them are digital. Are you sure this one was mine? ++Ken++


of the ones Greg Joder took in my Comanche when i took him and his brother to the Turtle conservation group in Loreto. We stopped at PSFO for lunch. there is a post here someplace that links to them on utube i think. or they are on his website. we hit an air sink pocket from a very strong quartering headwind just over the palapas in short final.
landing airspeed was about 65 kts. ground speed was about 25 kts. you'll hear the engine go to max power just before touchdown to arrest the wind shear effect.

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=35792

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=36043




[Edited on 11-14-2009 by capt. mike]

[Edited on 11-14-2009 by capt. mike]

David K - 11-14-2009 at 10:17 AM

The links both go to posts with links to Greg's web site. Unfortunately, Greg's web site/ forum has been 'closed' for quite some time... All you get is a 'sorry' message.

The video I though was on Ken Bondy's web site was taken from someone on the ground filming a take off... Not film inside the plane as it is flying/ landing (as I recall Greg's was).

Mexitron - 11-14-2009 at 11:33 AM

Thanks for the response on the health care David--maybe one of these years we can do some more hashing over it around a campfire and some cervezas in Baja!

David K - 11-14-2009 at 12:11 PM

Sounds like a great idea Steve!

capt. mike - 11-14-2009 at 03:04 PM

bummer. i have the vids but you tube limits uploads to 10 minutes.
need a hosting site. no idea.

Landing at San Francisquito video

Stickers - 11-14-2009 at 04:57 PM

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Originally posted by David K
Ken, do you still have that video of a Punta San Francisquito takeoff?


I posted this video of landing my Grumman Tiger there a couple of years ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wwgFQWQ-ZY

Ken Bondy - 11-14-2009 at 05:21 PM

Stickers that was fantastic!! Don't think I've ever seen that one. Thanks, it brought back a lot of nice memories.
++Ken++

David K - 11-14-2009 at 07:19 PM

Nice one of landing at Alfonsina's... where the runway is just inches above sea level... and has been for 50 years, unchanged!: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rtLwpIKJ1s&NR=1

capt. mike - 11-15-2009 at 08:23 AM

who did the Alfi's vid DK? someone from here? wanted to know who's bonanza came in right behind him. i recognize the plane. but can't see the N numbers.

michael - sweet landing AT PSFO, great stuff. do you have more? are you still in the Tiger? love that plane's sliding canopy.

Ken Bondy - 11-15-2009 at 08:36 AM

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Originally posted by capt. mike
who did the Alfi's vid DK? someone from here? wanted to know who's bonanza came in right behind him. i recognize the plane. but can't see the N numbers.


mike I saw it too. The nose nacelle looked like Sticker's Grumman Tiger to me, but don't know for sure.

David K - 11-15-2009 at 09:14 AM

After watching the video that 'Stickers' posted... other You Yube choices are shown that are of the same subject... I just looked at a couple that mentioned Alfonsina's and posted the link from one, above. You should see the same thing I do when you watched Sticker's YouTube link?

PS: You do know that we have two 'stickers' on Nomad? I first was thinking the link came from Michael B.

I haven't met 'Stickers' (above). The other is 'steekers' (Michael) who had the race buggy, was on the recent Baja Warrior led Matomi/ Bahia Santa Maria run, and now flys his plane to Baja.

capt. mike - 11-17-2009 at 08:21 AM

George - good one amigo!
hey i never thanked you for the book - extremely valuable, i am studying now for NABCEP cerification.

looking forward to seeing you at Serenidad this spring.

Stickers - 11-23-2009 at 12:14 AM

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Originally posted by capt. mike

michael - sweet landing AT PSFO, great stuff. do you have more? are you still in the Tiger? love that plane's sliding canopy.


Captain Mike, "Steekers" is the Baja racer and "Stickers" is the Grumman Tiger pilot (me Rick) based in Santa Monica Ca.

capt. mike - 11-23-2009 at 09:34 AM

ok - got it, thx Rick.
Steekers flies too i think but i forgot what type.?

David K - 11-23-2009 at 09:36 AM

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Originally posted by Stickers
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Originally posted by capt. mike

michael - sweet landing AT PSFO, great stuff. do you have more? are you still in the Tiger? love that plane's sliding canopy.


Captain Mike, "Steekers" is the Baja racer and "Stickers" is the Grumman Tiger pilot (me Rick) based in Santa Monica Ca.


'Steekers' no longer is an off road racer (sold the race buggy)... He does own a plane and flys it to Baja... is a Bush Pilot member as well. His name is Michael... and he is the tall guy in this photo with me and the late Dave Deal [Baja racer/ pilot/ cartoonist/ author (created the Baja Bush Pilot logo for Arnold Senterfitt)]...

IMG_1604-r.JPG - 26kB

David K - 9-7-2010 at 06:26 PM

Bump... the photo above was the last time I visited with Dave Deal (I was joined by 'steekers')... Dave drew the logo cartoon for Arnold Senterfitt and is still used by Baja Bush Pilots...

Skeet/Loreto - 9-27-2010 at 04:10 PM

dAVID: lET US BRING BACK THIS THREAD AND GET SOME MORE GREAT STORIES ABOUT bAJA fLYING!
i KNOW IT JUST CHAPS THE GOATS aSS TO HEAR ABOUT ALL OF US oLSD tIMERS SPENDING HIS sOC. sEC. mONEY IN bAJA.

Ken Bondy - 9-27-2010 at 05:10 PM

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Originally posted by David K
Bump... the photo above was the last time I visited with Dave Deal (I was joined by 'steekers')... Dave drew the logo cartoon for Arnold Senterfitt and is still used by Baja Bush Pilots...


Thanks for the bump David. What a great thread. Could this possibly be the video you referred to many pages ago? This is on my daughter Coleen's site:

http://www.coleenbondy.com/personal/travel/baja_escape/video...

David K - 9-27-2010 at 07:15 PM

That is probably the one... Thanks amigo!

Ken Bondy - 9-27-2010 at 07:42 PM

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Originally posted by David K
That is probably the one... Thanks amigo!

No David, the thanks is all to you :) ++Ken++

capt. mike - 9-28-2010 at 04:40 AM

who's 182?
when was that taken, Ken?
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