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U.S. citizen airlifted from B. Gonzaga to Yuma by U.S. Coast Guard

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bonanza bucko - 1-28-2010 at 08:14 PM

Below is the response of Fishbuck and others similarly afflicted to getting told that their sniping from afar and without knowledge about the CG evacuation of Doug is disgusting. They are full of nasty comments and questions when somebody else is at risk and the Coast Guard sends help....but, were they at risk, they would be full of tears and flapdoodle all the way to the nearest USA hospital no matter the cost.

Can you think of a more disgusting comment than this?

"Listen dumba$$. It was a question that's all.
That was the only information in the post about his condition.
I said I was glad he was okay.

But honestly now that I know more, the man did not belong in Baja with that condition and he endangered himself and the Coast Guard crew by being there. Unnecessarily.
He should have stayed in the states where he had access to medical care.
THAT is my opinion. And if you don't like it you can go **** yourself."

Do you want the author of that response to comment on anything important?....as he has repeatedly and ad nauseum here. Blowhards like that are always full of advice and nasty comments for others but they never have the cajones or the manners to look at themselves critically....or to apologize for being off base.

Again, Thank God that Celia Diaz was involved in this and thank God double that Fishbuck and his like were not.

fishbuck - 1-28-2010 at 08:24 PM

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Originally posted by bonanza bucko
Below is the response of Fishbuck and others similarly afflicted to getting told that their sniping from afar and without knowledge about the CG evacuation of Doug is disgusting. They are full of nasty comments and questions when somebody else is at risk and the Coast Guard sends help....but, were they at risk, they would be full of tears and flapdoodle all the way to the nearest USA hospital no matter the cost.

Can you think of a more disgusting comment than this?

"Listen dumba$$. It was a question that's all.
That was the only information in the post about his condition.
I said I was glad he was okay.

But honestly now that I know more, the man did not belong in Baja with that condition and he endangered himself and the Coast Guard crew by being there. Unnecessarily.
He should have stayed in the states where he had access to medical care.
THAT is my opinion. And if you don't like it you can go **** yourself."

Do you want the author of that response to comment on anything important?....as he has repeatedly and ad nauseum here. Blowhards like that are always full of advice and nasty comments for others but they never have the cajones or the manners to look at themselves critically....or to apologize for being off base.

Again, Thank God that Celia Diaz was involved in this and thank God double that Fishbuck and his like were not.

Look you old fool, if you don't what to fight with me, then don't start one. It's that simple. This is the second time you have attacked me. The above is my response to your 1st attack. I thought you would be smart enough not to do it again. Guess not.
I explained my reasons for my question. It was strictly to gain info about the evacuation not about your friend.
But because your friend used a public resource it is all public information. All of it, every detail.
So why don't you just stop insulting me now. It's not going to get any better if you continue... only worse!
Your choice.

[Edited on 1-29-2010 by fishbuck]

Debra - 1-28-2010 at 09:48 PM

Come on please..............It's a hard time, emotions are running with the friends of Doug, and they don't give a darn how that it happened that he was saved, they are thankful..........Doug isn't a newbe to Baja, he's been living there for many, many years, if it were you, would you be asking this? Your child, your wife? your friend? Good-grief! the Coast Guard has be doing this for years, and for me it's tax dollars well spent.

fishbuck - 1-28-2010 at 10:03 PM

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Originally posted by Debra
Come on please..............It's a hard time, emotions are running with the friends of Doug, and they don't give a darn how that it happened that he was saved, they are thankful..........Doug isn't a newbe to Baja, he's been living there for many, many years, if it were you, would you be asking this? Your child, your wife? your friend? Good-grief! the Coast Guard has be doing this for years, and for me it's tax dollars well spent.

I don't know Bonanza Bucko. But for no reason he attacked me when I asked a question.
As I said I am trying to understand the evacuation process that's all.
I only know of 1 other land based CG evacuation. Also, at Gonzaga Bay when a very elderly lady fell down and fractured her hip.
In that case she could not be transported by land because of the rough dirt road. And it was life threatening because she was so old.
Again it was coordinated by Olivia at Binational. Are there other Coast Guard rescue stories from Baja?
I'm sure all Doug's people are upset. But Doug is safely in the hospital now. The threat to his life is over.
And there is no reason to attack people who are curious about what happened. This is a widely publisized news story.

[Edited on 1-29-2010 by fishbuck]

jeans - 1-29-2010 at 12:13 AM

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Originally posted by fishbuck
I don't know Bonanza Bucko. But for no reason he attacked me when I asked a question.

He didn't "attack you". You were a jerk. I had to deal with the same level of IGNORANT judgmental criticisms when my mother , the “very elderly lady” was evacuated 5 years ago. For you to suggest that this person negligently risked the lives of others by traveling to Gonzaga when he did is unbelievable arrogant. You know nothing of the man’s medical history, the details of his surgery, his doctor’s advice, or the details that caused him to need evacuation... but gosh....you can read Wikipedia, so you proclaim he should not have been there. Do you realize how stupid that sounded?

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Originally posted by fishbuck
I only know of 1 other land based CG evacuation. Also, at Gonzaga Bay when a very elderly lady fell down and fractured her hip.
In that case she could not be transported by land because of the rough dirt road. And it was life threatening because she was so old.

Another giant jump to a conclusion...Her age was NOT a factor. It was life-threatening because, uh, DUH....It was a hip fracture.

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Originally posted by fishbuck
Again it was coordinated by Olivia at Binational.

It's CELIA, you dip$#!t...Her name is CELIA..Are you not paying attention???

I'm with B Bucko...this thread is disgusting. You were WAY off base to make him justify his friend’s actions and blaming Doug for the “consequences”, when in reality you haven't a f---king clue of the situation or what you are talking about. (but you can read Wikipedia... priceless)

fishbuck - 1-29-2010 at 12:29 AM

10 Tips for Picking the Right Retirement Spot

Healthcare facilities.
Your healthcare needs are bound to increase as you age. Make sure your prospective retirement spot has adequate health and elder-care facilities and a doctor who can treat any condition you may have.

In todays Yahoo news. Funny everyone knows this except Jeans, her mom and that guy Doug

I don't think Gonzaga Bay meets this criteria.

But continue to attack me because old people retire as far away from heathcare as possible.

[Edited on 1-29-2010 by fishbuck]

ELINVESTIG8R - 1-29-2010 at 01:57 AM

bonanza bucko - 1-29-2010 at 09:06 AM

For Fishbuck et al:

I agree with Jeans to the max. I don't wanna pick any fights but it was and is apparent that Fishbuck didn't understand a bunch of stuff.

Among those things was/ is his assumption that Doug was "living" or retired at Gonzaga Bay...wasn't. It's a vacation place and anyone with the slightest knowledge of the place knows that all services and emergency facilities are at least a five hour drive of a one hour flight away.....if your're lucky and the runway is not under water as it is about 6 days a month.......nobody goes there expecting to be sick. I'm sure that had the WX been OK and the runway dry there would have been somebody there with an airplane to fly Doug out. Some of us have done that repeatedly for 40 years. But, if you will check, the WX was below minimums for fixed wing aircraft that day.....only a helo could get in there.

There are people on the beach there with enough medical expertise to assess the severity of any problem and to decide if an evacuation is required. They did that in this case.

Fishbuck also thought/thinks it's his prerogative to criticize and question the health management of others without knowing the details...he's way off base on that.

I think this flap and flail is over...I hope it is. But I also hope that posters here will get or remember their manners and shrink their out of control self esteem.....their comments on the private problems of others are not welcome unless they are requested and, especially, if such posters have no knowledge whatsoever of the situation at hand or of the locality. Those of us who reacted negatively to Fishbuck's comments were amazed at his ability and willingness to impose his opinion and to ask loaded questions about this situation when he obviously knew nothing about it.

I am sorry that Fishbuck et al took umbrage at our negative response to his comments. But somebody needed to make them.

tripledigitken - 1-29-2010 at 09:13 AM

Now I have to laugh because i'll bet that many that were so critical of this evacuation are probably calling up the Binational Emergency Medical Committee and joining.

bonanza bucko - 1-29-2010 at 10:14 AM

Somewhere above in these posts Fishbuck did just that...then he got Celia's name wrong as "Olivia"......??

David K - 1-29-2010 at 10:27 AM

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Originally posted by Debra
The person that DK refered to that had the insurance and not assisted was a good friend of many here at Nomad's. The reason that was given, was that it would be dark soon. What angered me was that I just couldn't believe that something couldn't have been done, if needed 50 cars would have lit up the runway in a matter of minutes to get that plane in. We will never know if he could have been saved.

Debra, do you know what time they called Bi-National for the evacuation request, I thought it was mid day? Is that insurance only good if someone has a heart attack early in the morning? What's the point if an 'emergency life saving rescue' is only good for early morning emergencies?

Thank you.

jeans - 1-29-2010 at 11:16 AM

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Originally posted by David K

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Time of day is not an issue with CG helicopter rescues. I called BEMCC at 6:00 on a Sunday evening and mom was picked up at 2:00am. I 've stated that before.

When Mike H. needed emergency attention in BOLA and subsquently died in SQ, Debra brought up the question then why BEMCC did not go to his rescue.

I called Celia to get answers since there was (as usual) a lot of assumptions and second-guessing. After getting permission from Mary Ann, his widow, to dicsuss this with me, Celia asked that I tell the story on the board. I don't have the time right now to search for the link, but it should still be around.

Celia has to get assurances from on-site medical personnel that the patient is stable and will most likely survive the trip. If my memory serves me there was doubt on that point and the decision was made on-site to take him to SQ by ground.

Mike was loved by many of us and I still get choked up thinking about him, but everyone has the right to be where ever they choose to be, regardless of what Fishbuck thinks.

If a person decides to visit or retire in baja, where medical care is lacking...that is their decision...Old people get cranky about that :yes:

. The notion that when we reach a certain age, we should park ourselves next to a hospital for convenience's sake is ludicrous.

USCG on another 'training' mission

bkbend - 1-29-2010 at 11:22 AM

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2010/01/flying_turt...

ELINVESTIG8R - 1-29-2010 at 11:25 AM

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Originally posted by jeans

The notion that when we reach a certain age, we should park ourselves next to a hospital for convenience's sake is ludicrous.

Jeans, I whole heartedly agree with that statement because I'm getting there! :lol:

David K - 1-29-2010 at 05:10 PM

I agree as well with you jeans...

Since you disclosed who Debra and I were refering to, I must say that in talking with Mary Ann after that horrible event... She was very much surprised that this 'wonderful sevice' (that worked for your mom, thank God), didn't work for Mike.

It had to be traumatic driving him over 200 miles to an inadequate hospital, where he soon died. Money was probably not an issue, why were alternatives not made to what Mary Ann (and Mike) went through that day?

I do not remember seeing a post by you explaing Celia's side of the story... I will do a search and if I find it, repost it here. I did cancel my Bi-National membership following the incident when she didn't answer my emailed questions about what went wrong.

For the record, I have supported her organization before Mike's death and defended her when she was harassed by 'you-know-who' repeatedly.

David K - 1-29-2010 at 05:26 PM

Okay, found the thread and bumped it up... Here was jeans post she mentions above:
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jeans

Senior Nomad

Posts: 800
Registered: 9-16-2002
Member Is Offline

Mood: Encantada

posted on 8-9-2007 at 06:52 PM

I just got off the phone with Celia Diaz of BEMCC. I informed her of this discussion and she immediately called Maryann. Maryann gave permission for Celia to relay the details of that night.

First of all, Celia keeps detailed record and timelines of all rescues. Who she talked to, what was said, etc. Celia got the call at 6:30pm. She told Maryanne that a plane could not be sent at that hour, but that she would look into other means of transportation including the Coast Guard (if available). But Celia told her that there was the possibility that they might have to wait until morning.

Celia started working on getting the Coast Guard. At 7:00pm the decision was made in Bahia to transport Mike by land. Celia learned of that decision at 8:30.

I know from personal experience when they evacuated my mother that it took Celia over 4 hours to get that clearance. I got the call at 6:00 pm…the CG got there at 2:00Am. That is 8 HOURS. It would have been too late for Mike had Celia been able to work her way through two governments.

Remember…this is remote Mexico….immediate emergency services are not available. My mom was able to survive the pain of a crushed hip because the whole campo raided their medicine cabinets of every pain med known to man.

I will not discuss this any further in open forum.

fishbuck - 1-29-2010 at 06:53 PM

I don't think the Coast Guard helicopter has the range to get to BOLA. They only have a 400 mile range.
Maybe if they fueled it at San Filepe and then also on the return at either San Filepe or Ensenada.
That is why a fixed wing aircraft is more useful for rescues past about 150-175 miles from San Diego.
I did read about a rescue in SanQ by the Coast Guard helicopter also. They landed at the military base.
SanQ is about 175 miles from the border. So I would guess that is right at the max unrefueled range of the Coast Guard.

[Edited on 1-30-2010 by fishbuck]

jeans - 1-29-2010 at 09:46 PM

Thank you, DK for finding that post...I knew you would. I hope that clears up for you once and for all that BEMCC was not in any way responsible for Mike's not getting the prompt help he needed. Your cancelling your membership as a result indicates you held them somewhat responsible. That was an unfair assumption, because you did not know the whole story. Tragically, Mike was simply out of time.

David K - 1-29-2010 at 11:27 PM

I didn't 'cancel' my membership, but I didn't renew (or even get a renewal notice). I wasn't as mad as I was disappointed at their organization.

I didn't renew because I could not get an answer to my questions via email OR phone message... about why Mike wasn't saved and about other matters.

The purpose of paying the $30 was to have good communictaions so that a rescue can be obtained, regardless if it was from the coast guard or med-jet or ?? NOTHING was sent to save Mike... It was like too bad, but you got sick at a bad time of day.

If Celia or one of her associates returned my call or email, I may be still paying her... It is a very reasonable fee, but only valuable if it works.

jeans - 1-30-2010 at 01:17 AM

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Originally posted by David K
NOTHING was sent to save Mike... It was like too bad, but you got sick at a bad time of day.

How can you say that? The decision to go by ground was made 30 minutes after first calling Celia. You are suggesting callus disregard on her part.

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Originally posted by David K
If Celia or one of her associates returned my call or email, I may be still paying her... It is a very reasonable fee, but only valuable if it works.

It does work, if a rescue is possible. That is not always the case.

Your call should have been returned if only to tell you she could not discuss the details without permission, as she did with me. I do know that back then she was not proficient on email.

If your tone was as accuatory as it seems to be now, yeah...that would make someone real eager to return a phone call.

David K - 1-30-2010 at 11:44 AM

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Originally posted by jeans

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Originally posted by David K
NOTHING was sent to save Mike... It was like too bad, but you got sick at a bad time of day.

How can you say that? The decision to go by ground was made 30 minutes after first calling Celia. You are suggesting callus disregard on her part.

>>> Yes, the decision was made AFTER calling Celia... who could do nothing to help a man with a heart attack... THAT's the point, you can't wait around <<<

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Originally posted by David K
If Celia or one of her associates returned my call or email, I may be still paying her... It is a very reasonable fee, but only valuable if it works.

Oh come on, you know me and you know I am the nicest person to deal with and always optimisic about Baja people being good, there was no 'tone'. I do my best to help people and support those with Baja businesses. Viva Baja events were no small task. Remember how I tried to help to get your CD set back and it caused me years of harassment from some including friends... pah-lease.

I would have continued to support Celia in a big way if she only made a little effort to return a call or email... just once!

Celia or her staff did not return calls or emails... and they were NOT about Mike... some where about membership services.

Did you read fishbuck's post today that the email question he sent last night was returned because the email address on her web site is no good?

I would sure like to hear from another Nomad (who is not a personal friend of Celia) who was saved because of their membership.

[Edited on 1-30-2010 by David K]

David K - 1-30-2010 at 11:46 AM

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Originally posted by soulpatch
In regards to the detour this post, not unusually, has taken, if someone has a chronic condition, they do have a personal responsibility to address it.

Agreed...

rts551 - 1-30-2010 at 11:54 AM

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Originally posted by David K

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Originally posted by jeans

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Originally posted by David K
NOTHING was sent to save Mike... It was like too bad, but you got sick at a bad time of day.

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Originally posted by David K
If Celia or one of her associates returned my call or email, I may be still paying her... It is a very reasonable fee, but only valuable if it works.

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Oh come on, you know me and you know I am the nicest person to deal with and always optimisic about Baja people being good, there was no 'tone'. I do my best to help people and support those with Baja businesses. Viva Baja events were no small task. Remember how I tried to help to get your CD set back and it caused me years of harassment from some including friends... pah-lease. ""

:lol:

jeans - 1-30-2010 at 12:58 PM

Oh my....I see from rts551's quote from you DK, that you had thought better of your remark about a CD situation 9 years ago, and changed your post. Very interesting. Correction: Whoops, I am wrong. I had not caught that reference the first time I read your post. My Bad.

I had come back to the board to report that I called BEMCC's phone number on the website. It is a 24 hour line and Celia called me back within 5 minutes as she did 5 years ago when we didn't know each other. I also used the contact form and got a response from Steve, the IT director almost immediate telling me, yes the form is working fine.

[Edited on 1-30-2010 by jeans]

David K - 1-31-2010 at 10:04 AM

That's great... I would hope that it would be working again! I still would like to hear from a customer/ member of Bi-National who is not a personal friend of Celia that had an actual evacuation performed thanks to her organization. We can't bring MH back, so no need to dwell beyond the action or lack of action provided. Some other examples please?

Fishbuck, any luck on that email...? I saw a new Nomad just joined and provided a new email address in one of te other threads.

TMW - 1-31-2010 at 12:13 PM

Here is what they have on their web site. Surely there would be negative press if they were not doing what they say they can do.

TW

Some BEMCC evacuation stories from Mexico:

• An American fisherman in Ensenada, and a subscriber to Western Outdoor News who had read about BEMCC in that newspaper, was evacuated to the UCSD Trauma Center in San Diego after he was crushed between his boat and a marina dock. UCSD sent a trauma unit which was waiting for the man at the border.

• Another fisherman, 73 years old and semiconscious, was brought back from Mazatlan after his wife called to report he was in critical condition with dengue fever and kidney failure.

• A U.S. Coast Guard helicopter made a midnight flight to a remote village at Gonzaga Bay on Baja California's Sea of Cortez coast to pick up a 78-year-old woman who had broken her hip in a fall. The woman was transported by air directly to Sharp Memorial Hospital in San Diego and was saved. Article as published in Western Outdoor News.

• An injured motorcyclist, and his motorcycle as well, were rescued by a Mexican military helicopter from a very remote location in central Baja California, determined by satellite phone and GPS coordinates. The BEMCC coordinated this evacuation through the Secretaria de Marina, Estado Mayor General, in Mexico City.

(NOTE: Although satellite phones and GPS navigation units are very valuable aids in locating injured persons in remote locations, remote pickup by helicopter is an extreme measure, not always possible to coordinate with the military services. If at all possible, injured persons should be properly moved at least to a known village for pickup by ground ambulance or conventional aircraft. Travelers are forewarned that rescue may not be possible in extremely remote locations, due to the unavailability of suitable equipment.)

• A U.S. serviceman and Iraq veteran was severely injured in a car accident while on leave in Puerto Vallarta. After conventional air ambulance evacuation could not be arranged, he was bought to Virgina for emergency medical treatment in a U.S. Air Force DC-10 that flew to Puerto Vallarta to pick him up with a medical team. The BEMCC also convinced the clinic in Puerto Vallarta to release the man when it guaranteed that his $15,000 bill would be paid. Article as published in Western Outdoor News.

• A newborn child born three months prematurely in Tijuana, was saved when it was evacuated to Children's Hospital in San Diego. The BEMCC arranged an instant visa for the child with the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service in order to make the cross-border transport possible.

• A man suffered a heart attack in Ensenada and was told he could not be moved. He was also suffering from pneumonia and kidney problems. The Binational Medical Care Committee sent a fully equipped ambulance that returned him to Sharp Memorial Hospital in San Diego in time to save his life.

• A U.S. Marine was being held by Tijuana authorities as the person responsible for a traffic accident, even though he was injured and required medical care. The BEMCC convinced authorities that the man was covered by his Mexican insurance policy and negotiated his immediate release to a U.S. trauma center.

• Other medical evacuations, totaling up to 28 in a single month, were effected from Mexican locations such as San Felipe, Rocky Point (Puerto Penasco), Guaymas, Rosarito Beach, Ciudad Obregon, Hermosillo, and Cabo San Lucas. The cases involved such emergencies as traffic accidents, boating accidents, heart attacks, premature births, fractures, food poisoning, and victims of violent crime.

David K - 1-31-2010 at 12:19 PM

With all that on THEIR web site, surely there is a Baja Nomad or Nomad friend/ family member who is one of those (other than jeans' mom)?

Can we also learn what the actual evacuation cost is when arranged by Bi-National, or if contacted direct not using Celia?... Thousands of dollars (if you don't have air-evac insurance)?

Thanks Tom!

Debra - 1-31-2010 at 01:06 PM

Whoa, in no way was I blaming Celia for what happened with Mike. I'm sure that she did what she could.

My understanding from talking to Mary Ann was that this all started about 4pm, Mike, being Mike was being sturborn about seeking help for 2 days before he finally agreed to seek help. I'm sure Celia tried but couldn't get permission to land as dark was coming when the Doctor saw Mike and realized that it was a life threating situation. That is why I made the comment that the whole village would have been at the airport within minutes to light up the
runway. With this situation I would hope a lesson would be learned and that soultion to the night flight problem could maybe be handeled in the futher. I reacted with grief and anger at loosing my friend/foe/pain in my butt. Jeans, if you remember, you know why, I won't go into that in is this forum. Mary Ann did not drive Mike to SQ she followed an hour or so later, he was gone when she got there.

I have no doubt that Celia is a compassionate and caring person and does everything she can, can you imagine the stress she must have been under? Her hands were tied. Enough said.........

David K - 1-31-2010 at 07:05 PM

Debra, I don't see where you (or anyone) was blaming Celia. After you brought up the Humfreville incident, I wanted to know why they couldn't help in ANY way at all... then I asked for Nomads that know of anyone who had Celia's service provide an evacuation other than jeans' mom.

I used to promote Celia myself, because I 'heard' lot's of good stuff and because someone was giving her such a hard time... who has been banned from this site. I don't dislike Celia, she seems to be a nice person, I have talked to her in person at Mexico Ted's events... It is her business I am questioning... the unanswered emails, non-returned phone calls, no other personal confirmation of the services provided, etc.

As you and others have said to me here and via u2u, Mike Humfreville had only himself to blame for not getting help sooner. Perhaps he wanted to die in his beloved Baja? I was more concerned for the stress that Mary Ann must have gone through that day in trying to get help for Mike from Celia.

BOY HAS THIS THING TAKEN A TURN

DERN - 1-31-2010 at 08:21 PM

I saw that C-130 taking off from Ensenada. I had no clue as to what it was up to. Now I know.?

D.

Debra - 3-17-2010 at 06:31 PM

Okay, David I'm going to call you on this one "MOST LIBS?" Best dump that label my friend! Bad on ya.........

This is what the Coast Guard does.....Sheesh! when I was in Costa Rica a few years ago, when I landed at the airport there were several American Coast Guard planes there and helos.......cilivians? Good grief, has anyone been in Alaska? Do you know what they do? (well, besided their monthly flight in to my yard to go to the store and pick up cases, and cases, of booze.........this was 1972 however) Does anyone here watch 'Deadliest Catch" those are civilians and the number one priority of the Kodak and St. Paul Coast Guard watch. So excuse me, you that think that our tax dollars shouldn't be spent for the likes of Jeans Mom, or Doug( the Gonzaga guy, sorry, I gave the "un-worthey one a name).get the heck over it, Thank you Debra

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Originally posted by David K
You have selective standards or what?

U.S. Coast Gaurd to rescue U.S. citizens... why is that so hard for you to understand or desire? If your family member's life could be saved by an air-lift, would you turn it down?

Like most LIBs you think we should LOWER our standards or quality of life to match poorer countries... You feel guilty for our greatness.

We conservatives believe in the God given freedoms that ALL people should have and become as prosperous as they desire... in all countries. It is greedy governments that keep its people poor... or in our (U.S.) case this year, try to make as many poor as possible to gain more power over us.

rts551 - 3-17-2010 at 06:40 PM

Whoa Debra/brenda

This thread is two months old...
Don't want to be rude again... but time to move on

Ralph/Rude

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Originally posted by Debra
Okay, David I'm going to call you on this one "MOST LIBS?" Best dump that label my friend! Bad on ya.........

This is what the Coast Guard does.....Sheesh! when I was in Costa Rica a few years ago, when I landed at the airport there were several American Coast Guard planes there and helos.......cilivians? Good grief, has anyone been in Alaska? Do you know what they do? (well, besided their monthly flight in to my yard to go to the store and pick up cases, and cases, of booze.........this was 1972 however) Does anyone here watch 'Deadliest Catch" those are civilians and the number one priority of the Kodak and St. Paul Coast Guard watch. So excuse me, you that think that our tax dollars shouldn't be spent for the likes of Jeans Mom, or Doug( the Gonzaga guy, sorry, I gave the "un-worthey one a name).get the heck over it, Thank you Debra

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DENNIS - 3-17-2010 at 06:53 PM

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Originally posted by rts551
This thread is two months old...
Don't want to be rude again... but time to move on

She takes long sabbaticals from here and I think she's trying to catch up. :lol:

It's all good.

David K - 3-17-2010 at 07:01 PM

Yah, Ralph is right... this is long past post... note the dates of the thread when it started... but, I apologize for calling a Lib a Lib, or whatever it was I did (I don't want to reread the thing again...). I didn't know it was a bad word... but maybe now it is? :?:

Debra - 3-17-2010 at 07:16 PM

Yes you are right what is it? rst551? It just popped up in my face........sorry , my bad..............but, it has been something that has given me pause....
Thanks to you Dennis and thank you "rts551, for "not wanting to be rude again" Sheeze!

grmpb - 3-17-2010 at 07:27 PM

:barf:

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