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2010 Toyota Tacoma Recall

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Sharksbaja - 2-25-2010 at 11:17 PM

David I sincerely think you could write material for Sean Hannity.

You'll probably take that as a compliment tho. :lol:

The libs had something to do with the Toyota fiasco somehow....some way.... :rolleyes:

Skipjack Joe - 2-26-2010 at 12:20 AM

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I miss my '53 Willys.

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Sharksbaja - 2-26-2010 at 04:09 PM

Yeah Barry, and please stop sticking up for David on every post, political or nay. Thanks in advance! :bounce:

tripledigitken - 2-26-2010 at 04:13 PM

We are all guilty for straying off topic into issues that are not Baja related. Some of the best threads are those that morph in different directions.

wessongroup - 2-26-2010 at 04:21 PM

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Originally posted by tripledigitken
We are all guilty for straying off topic into issues that are not Baja related. Some of the best threads are those that morph in different directions.

Couldn't agree with you more..

k-rico - 2-26-2010 at 04:30 PM

Yeah but politics is so political. And the poster in question often insults those who see differently with his looney, whacko adjectives and obvious ignorance of what's behind other points of view. I don't mind if threads morph into other topics but politics belongs in off-topic. It's so tiresome.

Natalie Ann - 2-26-2010 at 04:35 PM

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Originally posted by tripledigitken
Some of the best threads are those that morph in different directions.

Perhaps. But Ken, this is not one of them.

nena

k-rico - 2-26-2010 at 04:38 PM

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Originally posted by Natalie Ann

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Originally posted by tripledigitken
Some of the best threads are those that morph in different directions.

Perhaps. But Ken, this is not one of them.

nena

Absolutely!!

tripledigitken - 2-26-2010 at 04:40 PM

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Originally posted by Natalie Ann

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Originally posted by tripledigitken
Some of the best threads are those that morph in different directions.

Perhaps. But Ken, this is not one of them.

nena

Toyota's, DK, Politics, I find it utterly facinating!

:lol:

Bajaboy - 2-26-2010 at 04:44 PM

I'm still trying to figure our the conspiracy between the left and Toyota that DK was referring to.....??? I know he didn't come up with that all on his own.

DK-you definitely have the talking points down :light:

Bajahowodd - 2-26-2010 at 04:52 PM

Maybe you keep stats, Ken. I doubt it. I will plead guilty to having injected politics into a thread from time to time. But, believe me when I say that I really try to avoid it. On the other hand, there are dozens and dozens of threads where DK seems to apparently come out of nowhere to espouse Fox News points of view. There are several political zealots on this forum. I wouldn't want it any other way. It creates debate. It can create excitement. That's all good. But at the end of the day, there is one person, who despite his already established credentials as a historian of Baja, a lover of Baja, a traveler of Baja, just cannot seem to understand where his strength is. A total gem as a resource to the history of our favorite peninsula, he feels somehow like he needs to inject a political slant all too often. I've posted about this many times. Obviously to no avail. It's akin to an entertainer who has an incredible voice who moves people with his singing, deciding that despite that fact that he's a crappy guitar player, deciding to accompany himself.

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David K - 2-26-2010 at 04:57 PM

If you look above, I did attempt to keep it on topic... but the goat and a couple others who don't like freedom of speech (because it questions the motives of their masters in Washington) like to keep bringing me in as the instigator of politics... I am just one voice offering balance.

Again, as for 2010 Tacomas... (the topic of this thread), I am an owner... there may be some trucks with a recalled driveshaft made by Dana Corp., but not mine.

Now, if you don't want any more politics, then don't bring it up (again). :yes:

PS I don't dislike any of you on the other side... I don't say nasty things about you, like your head is up (somewhere)... I would be happy to meet and share a beer... Just because I am not on the side of government control over our lives and prefer individaul freedom ,doesn't mean I am not a nice guy... I am for everyone's freedom and success... not just a few party members at the top. Name calling and insults don't help your side... The worst I have done (if it is bad) is call those on the left 'libs' or 'lefties'... Politics doesn't need to be personal, it is national.

k-rico - 2-26-2010 at 05:04 PM

Q.E.D.

Bajahowodd - 2-26-2010 at 05:07 PM

DK- I absolutely do not dislike you, either. Beers sound good. You mentioned the goat He is obviously a provocateur. But, it just seems to me that you start way too many of these things. Please wise up and take a breath before you lunge headlong into the politics. I really, truly love what you contribute to this forum as far as history and such. You will find that if you just don't take the bait, often, things will just take care of themselves.

Skipjack Joe - 2-26-2010 at 05:25 PM

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Originally posted by David K

... but the goat and a couple others who don't like freedom of speech (because it questions the motives of their masters in Washington) .....

Who did you say was the provocateur?

David K - 2-26-2010 at 06:53 PM

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Originally posted by Bajahowodd
DK- I absolutely do not dislike you, either. Beers sound good. You mentioned the goat He is obviously a provocateur. But, it just seems to me that you start way too many of these things. Please wise up and take a breath before you lunge headlong into the politics. I really, truly love what you contribute to this forum as far as history and such. You will find that if you just don't take the bait, often, things will just take care of themselves.

Thank you!

See my old maps of Baja post tonight in the Nomad Historic Interests forum!

wessongroup - 2-27-2010 at 07:05 AM

DK, only thing I will say about this "recall" to bad you purchased you vehicle a few months before this happened... you could have gotten one heck of a good deal and a really pretty decent "unit" all things considered.. see that the others are steeping up to get the "buck" too.. if one has that kind of money and that kind of need.. a decrease of a few thousand dollars is better than a sharp stick in the eye.. and if one lives through ANY wreck without injury to themselves and others.. .... thank what ever.. and walk away.. that is what I have all ways done..

Keep it upright and on the road..(if that is where you are)....

torch - 2-27-2010 at 07:19 AM

aaaaahhhhh Look at the power of having a beer together.

mtgoat666 - 2-28-2010 at 09:32 PM

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Originally posted by David K
The worst I have done (if it is bad) is call those on the left 'libs' or 'lefties'...

dk: i know you mean those terms as insults. but they are not insults. i am a liberal, leftist, tax and spend democrat, pro-choice, environmentalist, greenie; whatever you want to call me, i wear your slur with honor :lol:

wessongroup - 2-28-2010 at 09:37 PM

was quite around here for a while :lol:

David K - 3-1-2010 at 09:03 AM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666

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Originally posted by David K
The worst I have done (if it is bad) is call those on the left 'libs' or 'lefties'...

No, sorry but I didn't mean them that way... and I said so... Have a nice day Señor Cabra de la Montaña del Diablo.

Skipjack Joe - 3-1-2010 at 11:22 AM

Bravo David! Thank you for taking the high road and not being sucked in.

bajaguy - 2-8-2011 at 09:15 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
....... i am a liberal, leftist, tax and spend democrat, pro-choice, environmentalist, greenie.......................

There are cures for that!

Bajaboy - 2-8-2011 at 09:40 PM

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Originally posted by David K
Well... some 'truth icing' on the cake of lies, baked in Washington...

By KEN THOMAS
The Associated Press
updated 2/8/2011 3:11:11 PM ET 2011-02-08T20:11:11
Share Print Font: +-WASHINGTON —

The Obama administration's investigation into Toyota safety problems found no electronic flaws to account for reports of sudden, unintentional acceleration and other safety problems.

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The following comes from a Canadian poster on another forum... but sums it all up quite well!:

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Facts are simple;

1) brakes are stronger than engine, so if braking doesn't stop you, your vehicle was improperly maintained and it is your own fault.

2) turning off the engine or putting it in neutral WILL stop the engine, even if your brakes are worn beyond tolerance.

3) People who can't figure out to turn off the bloody engine should NOT be allowed to drive!

4) Drivers tests should include mandatory BRAKE, ENGINE-STUCK-FULL, and STEERING failure scenario examinations for MULTIPLE road surfaces and conditions. If a driver fails to respond reasonably in an emergency, they should NOT be authorized to drive.

5) There is NOT ONE VEHICLE made worldwide that can't, under certain conditions, end up with a stuck-full throttle. I've been in MORE THAN ONE while it happened, NEVER a toyota, and ZERO loss of control.

People that don't know the difference between a fact and an opinion should be banned from the Internet.

David K - 2-9-2011 at 08:21 AM

Agreed!

The good news that the media hysteria that Toyotas are 'dangerous' by design is over (hopefully)... I never was worried,... by experinces in Baja, I knew Toyota is one fine built truck... Again a big thanks to Neal Johns for pushing me towards Toyota back in 2000... and to Bajaboy, jeans, Taco de Baja, BajaTaco, and countless other Baja Tacoma owners who sang praises of their trucks! :saint:

mtgoat666 - 2-9-2011 at 09:45 AM

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Originally posted by David K

The following comes from a Canadian poster on another forum... but sums it all up quite well!:

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it was an artificial flaw manufactured by the US government (aka "GM") to protect their own interests. Standard american way of doing things;

dk:
you buy into some crazy conspiracy theories.

Toyota Abuse Victim!

Ken Cooke - 2-13-2011 at 03:54 PM

Me likes to Smash'em & Trash'em!

805gregg - 2-19-2011 at 04:51 PM

They should recall them all and install disc brakes on the rear instead of those crappy drum brakes.

woody with a view - 2-19-2011 at 05:11 PM

i'm pretty sure the 2010 tundra isn't a 4.6/7 motor.

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David K - 2-20-2011 at 10:36 AM

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Originally posted by 805gregg
They should recall them all and install disc brakes on the rear instead of those crappy drum brakes.

There are very good reasons for having drum brakes on the back of pickups... specially those that off road.

Here are some replies on another forum about why Toyota uses drums on the back of a Tacoma:
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Drums work just fine and in some cases can have more braking power than discs due to more surface area. Semis still use drums all around. Discs do dissipate heat better though.

Alot of trucks are using drums and I received an answer to this one time which I still believe is fair: Calipers in the rear are exposed to alot of debris and spray that can cause corrosion and general headaches compared to a car which is lower and doesn't throw as much towards the back of the vehicle. Drums being a sealed unit avoids this and especially in winter climates where road salt/calcium is used, it avoids alot of premature brake issues down the road.

All my toyota trucks since 87 have had drums & never had a problem or spent a dime & have stopped very well. I do not think this is where toyota cheaped out

I couldn't agree more.
I just replaced my wifes rear brakes on her 2008 civic with just 50,000 miles (the fronts still had almost 50%).
My 96 tacoma had 200,000 miles on the drums and they were still fine. I'll glad there are drums on my 2008 Tacoma.

A truck should have drums in the rear. 4 wheel discs are for heat dissipation...on cars...especially sports cars. When I see big 'ole Chevy and Ford pickups with rear discs, I just shake my head. Just another effort to make trucks into cars.

The guys who say it's about debris hitting the rear brakes are correct (although I imagine cost and weight distribution played a role along the way). We have a house in the country, lots of gravel roads. I had to do a brake job on my wife's MINI this past spring, and the rear rotors were literally crumbling in my hands. A friend has a Lincoln pickup with discs in the rear, and they take a terrible beating. I think in a real truck environment, drums at the rear are just smart engineering, IMHO.

This is the real reason for drum brakes in the rear of a pickup truck. Most of the weight is transferred to the front of the truck when the brakes are applied and the rear brakes do very little work.

A drum brake is lighter than a disc brake that provides the same breaking power, and with the light rear end that is on the tacoma you want as little unsprung weight as possible. The FJ 4runner and tundra are all much heavier in the rear than a tacoma, so they can run heavier brakes without worrying about wheel hop and other problems that come with too much unsprung weight

Accoding to this website
http://www.edmunds.com/ownership/tec...7/article.html
it's all about production cost. As buddywh1 so well stated in the last post, the front brakes do the lion share of the braking work so essentially the rear drums are there for backup. My truck is on its third set of front pads at 90,000mi while the original rear pads are still at 70%. That says it all.

One reason that I have not seen mentioned yet (maybe I missed it) is that Drums have much better clamping/holding power once you are stopped. This may not seem too important initially but if you are off-roading and get on a hill, then something goes wrong, you don't want to end up sliding or creeping down the hill while you are working on getting that wench tied off.

Cypress - 2-20-2011 at 12:54 PM

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Originally posted by David K
The worst I have done (if it is bad) is call those on the left 'libs' or 'lefties'...

i am a liberal, leftist, tax and spend democrat, pro-choice, environmentalist, greenie; whatever you want to call me, :lol:

Is it OK to call you gullible? If not, you're just another brick in the liberal wall, that is beginning to crumble. :biggrin:

"Tear down this wall " comes to mind. :biggrin:

monoloco - 2-21-2011 at 06:33 PM

DK, My F350 has disc brakes in the rear and the bad thing about them is that the emergency brake doesn't hold for crap. Even after having been totally rebuilt I have to mash it all the way to the floor and can't trust it on anything steeper than about 10º.

Roberto - 2-23-2011 at 04:25 PM

F350 with rear disk has a separate drum ("drum in hat") inside the disc. That's the parking brake - the discs are not used at all for that purpose. Sounds like your cable needs tensioning, or the shoe needs replacing.

monoloco - 2-23-2011 at 04:56 PM

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Originally posted by Roberto
F350 with rear disk has a separate drum ("drum in hat") inside the disc. That's the parking brake - the discs are not used at all for that purpose. Sounds like your cable needs tensioning, or the shoe needs replacing.

My mechanic replaced the shoes and adjusted the cable but I still don't trust the thing on a hill with the parking brake. I think those little drums just don't offer enough surface area to hold a vehicle of that weight.

! ! ! ! ! ! NEW TOYOTA RECALL ! ! ! ! ! ! >2MM vehicles deadly floor mats, gas pedals

mtgoat666 - 2-24-2011 at 08:19 AM

Toyota recalls 2.17 million vehicles in US

By KEN THOMAS, Associated Press
WASHINGTON – Toyota Motor Corp. recalled 2.17 million vehicles in the United States on Thursday to address accelerator pedals that could become entrapped in floor mats or jammed in driver's side carpeting, prompting federal regulators to close its investigation into the embattled automaker.
The Transportation Department said it had reviewed more than 400,000 pages of Toyota documents to determine whether the scope of the company's recalls for pedal entrapment was sufficient.
"As a result of the agency's review, (the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration) asked Toyota to recall these additional vehicles, and now that the company has done so, our investigation is closed," said NHTSA administrator David Strickland.
Toyota has now recalled more than 14 million vehicles globally to fix gas pedals and other safety problems since 2009. U.S. regulators said earlier this month that electronic flaws were not to blame for reports of sudden, unintended acceleration. The company paid the U.S. government a record $48.8 million in fines for its handling of three recalls.
The world's No. 1 auto company said more than half of the vehicles under recall were being added to a massive 2009 recall that fixed gas pedals getting trapped in the floor mat.
The Japanese automaker said it would add three models to the 2009 pedal entrapment recall: about 600,000 4Runner SUVs from the 2003-2009 model years; 761,000 RAV4 compact SUVs from the 2006-2010 model years; and 17,000 Lexus LX 570s from the 2008-2011 model years.
The recall also includes 372,000 RX 330, RX 350 and RX 400H vehicles from the 2004 through early 2007 model years and 397,000 2004-2006 Toyota Highlander SUVs and hybrid versions to replace floor carpet covering and retention clips on the driver's side that could interfere with the accelerator pedal arm.
Toyota also recalled 20,000 2006 through early 2007 GS 300 and GS 350 all-wheel drive vehicles to change the shape of a plastic pad embedded in the driver's side floor carpet that could cause pedal interference.
Toyota spokesman Brian Lyons said the company was unaware of any accidents or injuries related to the new recalls.

David K - 2-24-2011 at 08:55 AM

Yep, if you are so stupid to put multiple floor matts on top of each other, they will interfere with the gas pedal (duh!).

So, for the idiots to keep them from killing themselves, Toyota will change the gas pedal for free. Of course this will perhaps also save future users of loaner cars which have 2 or more floor mats on the same side... the sad event that killed a San Diego area fanily in Santee that started this... They were in a Lexus loaner car.

805gregg - 2-24-2011 at 09:26 AM

Toyota recalls 2,000,000 more vehicles, thats a total of 14,000,000 since 2009, great vehicles.

wessongroup - 2-24-2011 at 10:14 AM

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Originally posted by woody with a view
i'm pretty sure the 2010 tundra isn't a 4.6/7 motor.

Those numbers came from Edmunds.com

As did the engine size...

Wanted to see what they all looked like side by side... along with the reviews by the owners... and the cost per mile to operate... as that is usually how I buy a car.... what's it costs to run....

If Edmund's is incorrect, one should contact them to inform them of their mistake and/or mistakes... on the subject...

http://www.edmunds.com/toyota/tundra/2010/road-test.html

[Edited on 2-24-2011 by wessongroup]

[Edited on 2-24-2011 by wessongroup]

David K - 2-24-2011 at 02:05 PM

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Originally posted by 805gregg
Toyota recalls 2,000,000 more vehicles, thats a total of 14,000,000 since 2009, great vehicles.

Yes, they do... better safe than sorry for you folks who put two or more floor mats on the same side.

My truck was made in 2009, I got it in December of that year... I have had it dfor over 20,000 mils so far and there have been no problems, failures, recalls (other than the gas pedal mod, which I declined to have done)... and has been the most awesome of my three Tacomas.

It is a 4WD, Off Road TRD, Double Cab, 4.0 V-6, automatic... The Off Road 4x4s have Active Traction Control (A-TRAC)... which can pull you out of a stuck with only one tire having traction, if the other three have none... no more one tire in front and one in back spinning while the other two do nothing! :cool:

The thing can climb like a mountain goat, too!

805gregg - 2-24-2011 at 07:13 PM

Yes, they do... better safe than sorry for you folks who put two or more floor mats on the same side.

You might say that to the Highway Patrol Officer and 3 family members now deceased because of Toyota, it wasn't Toyota's fault but they paid the relatives $ 10,000,000 dollars. Lets face it Dave they could put your engine in upside down and you would think it good. Maybe Ferrari should go back to drum brakes on their cars because Toyota chooses to cheap out on Crapcomas.

bigboy - 2-24-2011 at 07:30 PM

I never met anyone that installed two or more floor mats in a car or truck! Something is not right with the findings!

David K - 2-24-2011 at 07:56 PM

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Originally posted by 805gregg
Yes, they do... better safe than sorry for you folks who put two or more floor mats on the same side.

You might say that to the Highway Patrol Officer and 3 family members now deceased because of Toyota, it wasn't Toyota's fault but they paid the relatives $ 10,000,000 dollars. Lets face it Dave they could put your engine in upside down and you would think it good. Maybe Ferrari should go back to drum brakes on their cars because Toyota chooses to cheap out on Crapcomas.

Did you miss it when I said before that it was the fault of the LEXUS dealer who provided them that loaner... the previous user of that car even complained that the pedal stuck in the matt... They didn't do a thing... Not Toyota's fault that the loaner car had TWO matts on the drivers side.. nor that the LEXUS dealer didn't take action when the problem was reported by the previous user of that LEXUS loaner car.

Believe whatever you want... and buy a GM car... that's what this reporting is all about on the U.S. news stations.

mtgoat666 - 2-24-2011 at 08:15 PM

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Originally posted by David K
Did you miss it when I said before that it was the fault of the LEXUS dealer who provided them that loaner...

Believe whatever you want... and buy a GM car... that's what this reporting is all about on the U.S. news stations.

dk:
you are a friggin' riot!

Ulev - 4-25-2011 at 08:24 PM

Go head and buy yer Furd.....was just major recall last week...
I have three Toyotas, Tundra, Prius and Sequioa .
NONE have given me any problems....I also refused the recall notice since I have had NO problems. Other than the crappy mileage in both Tundra and Sequioa, I have no complaints. As a newbie on this board sure seems like a lot of what they call the 'ButtF--k Nation' back in Chicago on this board...blame it all on Obama.
Sure, like the idiot before him had nothing to do with the country goin to hell...
I'm sure I'll get a real good 'welcome' from the 'nation' here.....LOL

DENNIS - 4-25-2011 at 08:51 PM

Three posts. That may be a record.
tick tick tick tick tick tick tick

bajaking76 - 4-28-2011 at 07:46 AM

I also own a Tundra, drove it off the lot new in 07, I did have an issue with the transmission leaking oil a few month after i bought it but Toyota took care of it at no charge. The Funny part of all this was that I was given a free rental car for my troubles. They(Hurtz) gave me a Ford Ranger...WTH!

The worst experience I had with Toyota was when the technician locked my keys in the service managers office. Took me 3 days to get my keys back (the guy has left for the weekend), I had the spare but still. Well it just so happened that I some how managed to tweak my tailgate hinge while helping my buddy move. I took it back to them and they fixed it for free for making me wait so long for my keys. Called it a good will fix. Needless to say I will continue to buy Toyota regardless of the press, specialy from Chula Vista Toyota.

Yes the gas sucks-arse! $80 to fill my tank right now....sigh!

J.P. - 4-28-2011 at 08:15 AM

I look better pushing My NISSAN than I would driving a TOYOTA :lol:

David K - 4-28-2011 at 08:17 AM

Post a photo... you may be right! :lol:

bajaking76 - 4-28-2011 at 09:10 AM

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Originally posted by J.P.
I look better pushing My NISSAN than I would driving a TOYOTA :lol:

I had an 89 Sentra, that thing took a beating and never left me stranded (4 accidents)....but their trunks are on the ugly side, sooo....

motoged - 4-28-2011 at 10:05 AM

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Originally posted by wessongroup
The Taliban swear by them too...

Those look like Blackwater (Xe) guys to me :wow:

J.P. - 4-28-2011 at 10:14 AM

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Originally posted by bajaking76

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Originally posted by J.P.
I look better pushing My NISSAN than I would driving a TOYOTA :lol:

I had an 89 Sentra, that thing took a beating and never left me stranded (4 accidents)....but their trunks are on the ugly side, sooo....

I never implied my Nissan was beautiful but it is TUFFFFFFFF :biggrin:

805gregg - 4-30-2011 at 07:21 PM

Now more recalls, these things need more fixing than our goverment. Toyota should actually, start doing recalls for all the car manufacturers, they are getting so good at it, the could call it Recall Motors, kinda catchy don't you think. If you have studied history you know about the animosity, (rightly so) between Korea and Japan. With this parts slow down in Japan, Korea is going after some auto sales, I'll by Korean next time.

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