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ocnena - 7-10-2010 at 12:34 PM

I can't help but follow this case..I worry about the welfare of those kids.

BajaBlanca - 7-10-2010 at 02:04 PM

where are they ?????

Bajahowodd - 7-10-2010 at 04:25 PM

Helluva bump. Just reminds me that, apparently, there has been no news for sometime. Given the current Russian/ US spy flap, just wonder if this family, or part of it was somehow involved in a similar issue.

DENNIS - 7-10-2010 at 05:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Helluva bump. Just reminds me that, apparently, there has been no news for sometime. Given the current Russian/ US spy flap, just wonder if this family, or part of it was somehow involved in a similar issue.


Too much fantasy to imagine....doncha think.

ocnena - 7-10-2010 at 11:53 PM

Seems like a stretch but nothing would surprise me at this point with all I've learned about this family.

dtbushpilot - 7-11-2010 at 07:14 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by ocnena
Seems like a stretch but nothing would surprise me at this point with all I've learned about this family.


Ok, you've piqued my interest, what have you learned that we don't already know?

ocnena - 7-11-2010 at 01:33 PM

Lawsuits up the wazoo in this family...having to do with real estate fraud...that's just the beginning of it!

BajaGringo - 7-11-2010 at 01:39 PM

As long as they weren't cooking any turtles...

Please Don't Go There!

Bajahowodd - 7-11-2010 at 03:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BajaGringo
As long as they weren't cooking any turtles...


:lol::lol::lol:

Mcstay Family

sanquintinsince73 - 9-15-2010 at 09:28 AM

In response to the Nomad who inquired, the Mcstay's are still missing. It was announced this morning on San Diego radio that Discovery channel will be here interviewing friends and relatives next week. They will also travel to Baja and conduct interviews there. Discovery is dedicating an entire episode to the missing family.

DENNIS - 9-15-2010 at 09:49 AM

The Discovery Channel??? Have they morphed into an investigative police agency?
I always thought it was a nature oriented, adventure channel or something like that.
What kind of adventure production could it possibly be if they can't find the adventurers?
This is rank sensationalism at it's worst.

gnukid - 9-15-2010 at 10:05 AM

Dennis, exactly, "their name is Mcstay and no one knows why they just didn't stay home..." Gimme a break.

BajaBlanca - 9-15-2010 at 10:13 AM

Discovery channel to Discover Baja ???? I agree this sounds very odd for a channel that deals with nature. Well, it is one way for Mexico to boost it's image as a destination - assuming the reporters have a fun time investigating .... smile everyone, you may be on candid camera :lol:

sanquintinsince73 - 9-15-2010 at 11:20 AM

I agree, Dennis. Maybe their ratings are down, who knows. Like the story of the 30 something kids who turned up in CC. I think that there is more here than meets the screen. Maybe dad owed money to the mob and got whacked or maybe in the near future we'll see "Campo Mcstay" somewhere in BCS.

DENNIS - 9-15-2010 at 11:36 AM

I think they're still missing because of disinterested police work on this side of the border.

durrelllrobert - 9-16-2010 at 11:39 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BajaBlanca
Discovery channel to Discover Baja ???? I agree this sounds very odd for a channel that deals with nature. Well, it is one way for Mexico to boost it's image as a destination - assuming the reporters have a fun time investigating .... smile everyone, you may be on candid camera :lol:

I the entire crew spends their alloted per diem it might boost Baja's economy also :lol:

capt. mike - 9-16-2010 at 08:39 PM

call john walsh.

who cares really?? i mean if they disappeared it is bad but if in mexico good luck....

update on missing McStay family

durrelllrobert - 1-2-2011 at 10:23 AM

this was posted on the punta banda bulletin board:




Investigation Discovery’s “Disappeared” is featuring the case of the McStay family. Relatives of the McStays hope the show will uncover new leads on what happened to Joseph, Summer and their two young boys Gianni, 4 and Joey Jr., 3 since they vanished from their Fallbrook home in February.

The one hour program is called Mystery at the Border. It will air on Monday, January 3, 2011 at 7:00 p.m. It will re-air on the same day at 10:00 p.m. and on January 4, 2011 at 1:00 a.m. Investigation Discovery in San Diego can be found on the following channels: COX – 104, DIRECT TV – 285, Time Warner – 214 and DISH – 192.
Homicide Detective Troy Dugal will be appearing on morning shows on Monday to bring attention to the case and the cable program.

Det. Dugal will be on NBC7/39 at 5:40 and on CW6 at 8:25. He will be appearing with the mother and brother of Joseph McStay.



To see a short clip of Mystery at the Border please click on the following links:



http://vimeo.com/18299846



https://www.yousendit.com/dl?phi_action=app/orchestrateDownl...



Thank you very much.



Melissa Aquino

Media Relations Officer

San Diego County Sheriff's Department

(858) 974-2253
melissa.aquino@sdsheriff.org

DENNIS - 1-2-2011 at 10:50 AM

Here's a link to replace that long-winded one in Bob's post.

http://tinyurl.com/2c5mdqv


There's been a lot of water under the bridge since this happened. I wonder what investigators have come up with in the meantime or what they're doing to put this new effort out in Baja?

Mcstay Family

sanquintinsince73 - 1-4-2011 at 12:32 AM

I had posted a few months ago that Discovery Channel was in the process of producing a documentary on the missing Mcstay family from Fallbrook, CA.

The one-hour special aired tonight and I am sorry to say that they are still missing without a trace. Their vehicle was recovered across the street from Plaza America in San Ysidro and the family was captured on video camera crossing on foot into Tijuana.

One thing that baffles investigators is that the family had $100,000.00 in their checking account and it remained untouched before, during, and after the disappearance.

DENNIS - 1-4-2011 at 07:08 AM

Nothing new to say....they're just milking it. US investigators won't get much done down here.
I'll be looking for the next episode in around six months.

surfer jim - 1-4-2011 at 08:24 AM

Does anybody know how to hack into that checking account?;)

Few clues a year after McStay family disappeared

BajaNews - 2-6-2011 at 11:20 AM

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/feb/03/few-clues-yea...

By Susan Shroder
February 3, 2011

FALLBROOK — Mike McStay tries to remain focused each day, being a good husband, raising three young daughters, running his fire-protection business in San Clemente and preparing the family for the adoption this summer of two young orphans from Ghana.

But for the past year, he has been haunted wondering what happened to his beloved older brother, who vanished a year ago Friday along with his wife and their two young sons.

The home of Joseph and Summer McStay on Avocado View Lane in Fallbrook is in foreclosure and empty, its contents distributed among family members. Nearly $100,000 remains untouched in a checking account that Joseph McStay had, his brother said.

The family’s young dog, a puppy when they disappeared, is being cared for by a friend. Summer McStay’s mom has the family’s older dog at her Big Bear home.

There have been no phone calls, text messages or e-mails from the family. The last credible lead on a possible sighting, which proved unfounded, came in October, Mike McStay said.

He maintains a website — http://www.mcstayfamily.com — with information about Joseph McStay, now 41; Summer, 44; and their children, Gianni, 5, and Joseph Jr., 4. The brother posts messages to them, like one Monday on the fourth birthday of his youngest nephew. Their disappearance baffles him.

“Joe just doesn’t do this kind of stuff,” McStay said. “He’s the guy that puts money away for a rainy day. He’s always been very wise with money, always good with people. ... He’s just steady.”

McStay said the website gets about 4,000 hits a day. Although most people have been compassionate, some feedback has been negative. People have speculated that the parents must have had ties to the Mafia, or to a religious cult, suggestions McStay finds absurd.

“These are just normal, everyday Americans,” he said. “This is a loving family.”

Sheriff’s homicide Detective Troy DuGal is in charge of the case, working with the FBI and law enforcement in Mexico, where it is believed the family might have traveled to when they disappeared. He said he receives several tips a week and follows up on all of them.

“I am very hopeful this case will resolve,” DuGal said Thursday. “I am also very hopeful that it resolves soon. The longer this case remains open, the more concerned I become that the McStays may be victims of foul play.”

Four days after the McStays disappeared, their white 1996 Isuzu Trooper was found abandoned in a parking lot near the San Ysidro border crossing, child seats inside. The vehicle was paid for, as was the truck Joseph McStay used for his custom water-fountain business.

Records on the family’s computer show that the week before they vanished inquiries were made about passport requirements for traveling with children to Mexico. They also had a Spanish-language educational disc, DuGal said.

A grainy U.S. Border Patrol surveillance video shows two adults with two young children walking toward a turnstile into Tijuana at the San Ysidro pedestrian crossing on Feb. 8, the same day the Trooper was found. McStay said it’s so fuzzy it’s impossible to say if it was his brother. DuGal said it is “likely” that it is the McStays.

“The physical evidence indicates it is probable the family left the residence voluntarily and traveled into Mexico” for unknown reasons, DuGal said. “I am confident the McStays have not traveled out of Mexico unless they are using an assumed name.”

In May, a restaurant worker in the central Baja California town of El Rosario thought the family dined there and left a map. The map did not have their fingerprints. In October, a family matching the description of the McStays was seen at an Ensenada hotel. They turned out to be from Canada.

Grasping for answers, McStay said he has not ruled out that the family might be hiding in protective custody for some unknown reason, though law enforcement officials have rejected that theory.

McStay said he accepts that the odds of the family being alive decrease by the day. But like DuGal, he won’t give up.

Relatives also still place ads about the McStays with newspapers and radio stations in Baja California.

“I don’t expect to stop until I find out what happened to my family, period,” McStay said. “We’re just asking for help, for someone that knows something to just come forward.”


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Anyone with information about the disappearance of Joseph and Summer McStay of Fallbrook and their children, Gianni and Joseph Jr., are asked to call authorities.

• San Diego County Sheriff’s Department: (858) 974-2321 or (858) 565-5200 after hours.

• Crime Stoppers: (888) 580-8477. Tips can be called in anonymously.

Old question

durrelllrobert - 1-15-2013 at 12:17 PM

Has any one heard anything about the McStay family that's been missing for 3 years and last seen crossing into Baja on foot?

Ateo - 1-15-2013 at 02:17 PM

Funny you bring that up. My plumber was talking about this Sunday.

sancho - 1-15-2013 at 03:05 PM

You got me to go searching, doesn't show any new
info, just old news speculation. Mex is a bit lawless,
I guess that is part of the appeal. Seems on the surface
somewhat unlikely an entire gruop to just vanish.
It would be hard not to leave some sort of trail,
good or bad

DENNIS - 1-15-2013 at 03:18 PM

Awww...I think they're OK. Private holiday and all.

MMc - 1-15-2013 at 04:13 PM

They might be under that third cactus from left. Their were always so many questions about there disappearance.

[Edited on 1-15-2013 by MMc]

Just saw this interview on TV news:

durrelllrobert - 1-17-2013 at 10:18 AM

Posted: 01/16/2013
Allison Ash

FALLBROOK, Calif. - The author of an explosive new book about the disappearance of a Fallbrook family three years ago said he believes Summer McStay killed her husband and took off with the couple's boys.

"I personally believe that Summer probably killed Joseph and we should be looking for Summer and the two kids, rather than a family of four that decided to just flee on their own," said author Rick Baker.

Baker said he has spent the past three years investigating the case and reading personal and business emails written by Summer McStay.

"From the emails that she sent in the last year to family and friends and even business associates out of state from Arizona to North Carolina, we see a very different woman… I think, a very conflicted woman," explained Baker. "I use the word 'evil' because some of the thoughts that she put down on paper and emails and electronically sent to people show a very conflicted person... someone who was very unhappy, not just with her own personal life but with Joseph as well and with Joseph's extended family, and just not a very nice person."

Joseph and Summer McStay and their children Joseph and Gianni disappeared from their Fallbrook home on Feb. 4, 2010. There were no signs of a struggle, and no signs that the couple had financial problems. Their two dogs were left unattended and it was not until after neighbors complained about barking that family members and investigators realized the family had vanished.

The couple's SUV was found days later near the border crossing in San Ysidro and when investigators checked surveillance video, they saw dark images of what appeared to be the family walking into Mexico.

Several leads in Mexico proved to be false.

"I don't think they ever crossed the border. I don't believe law enforcement thinks that they crossed the border," said Baker, who called the video "staged."

He added, "The car was put there for a specific purpose and I don't believe they ever went to Mexico."

Baker admitted that his book, entitled "No Goodbyes," does not have all the answers about the bizarre disappearance but does offer enough evidence to show there was something "sinister" about what happened to the McStays.

"The reason why I wrote this book was to put the facts out there… that this wasn't just some happy family like Mayberry RFD and they chose to go to Mexico one day. That's not what happened," Baker said.

Joseph McStay's brother told 10News over the phone that his family does not share the thoughts and opinions of Baker.

"If he has proof, then let him produce it," said Mike McStay, who spent months searching for his brother.

Mike McStay said he believes Baker is twisting the truth so he can sell books.

Baker told 10News the money raised from book sales will go to Texas Equusearch, an organization dedicated to finding missing persons.

"No Goodbyes: The Mysterious Disappearance of the McStay Family" will be available on Feb. 4, which is the third anniversary of the family's disappearance.

sancho - 1-17-2013 at 11:52 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by durrelllrobert
spent the past three years investigating the case and reading personal and business emails written by Summer McStay.


Joseph McStay's brother told 10News over the phone that his family does not share the thoughts and opinions of Baker.






How does one get access to personal emails, without
the familys permission? Unless there is someone in
family, group that turned them over to the author,
being the skeptic that I am,
I don't trust anyone with a financial motive like
pitching a book

David K - 1-17-2013 at 11:54 AM

Thanks Bob,

Being near Fallbrook, we were following this on the local news. One of the unsolved mystery shows did an episode on them and followed leads in Central America to try and find them...

McStays

bacquito - 1-26-2013 at 09:14 AM

I had forgotten about this.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/26/justice/mcstay-family-disappea...

rhintransit - 1-26-2013 at 09:30 AM

me too, three years goes by quickly.

DENNIS - 1-26-2013 at 09:31 AM

Somebody mentioned this a few days back and I almost don't even want to know what happened.......I mean, how they could vanish from the face of the earth. Hopefully, it was well planned and all good.

BajaBlanca - 1-26-2013 at 12:29 PM

3 years already. I doubt very much that they are in Baja. one of us would have heard something about them .... Belize might be a possibility ....esp since apparently he had property there.

mtgoat666 - 1-26-2013 at 01:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BajaBlanca
3 years already. I doubt very much that they are in Baja. one of us would have heard something about them .... Belize might be a possibility ....esp since apparently he had property there.


Latest theory (I think published in a book) is that the wife murdered the husband, took off. Fate of kids unclear in the murderous wife theory,....
May have been zero cxn to Mexico...

BajaNomad - 1-26-2013 at 01:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666

Latest theory (I think published in a book) is that the wife murdered the husband, took off. Fate of kids unclear in the murderous wife theory,....
May have been zero cxn to Mexico...


Mentioned a few posts before yours, including in a CNN link. Family's calling BS on the theory, but admits the book release helps bring spotlight back to the story and situation.

Family's indicating they'll now work on releasing their own book from their perspective "inside the caution tape".

http://www.mcstayfamily.org/inside-the-caution-tape

The McStays: A lingering mystery

BajaNews - 2-4-2013 at 03:11 AM

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/feb/02/mcstay-missing-fa...

By John Wilkens and Teri Figueroa
Feb. 2, 2013

A week after Thanksgiving, in a field southeast of Temecula, a hunter came across the partially buried remains of a human body. A little while later, Mike McStay got a phone call.

“Did your brother ever have any broken bones?”

McStay’s heart pounded. He knew why the detective was asking.

It’s been three years since his brother’s whole family vanished — Joseph, wife Summer, and their two young sons — in a mystery that has baffled the police, the public, and armchair sleuths from coast to coast.

For the relatives, that’s three years of not knowing, the worst kind of anxiety, hope riding with fear on a never-ending roller coaster.

It’s three years of sightings and tips that go nowhere, three years of strangers gossiping and trash-talking on the Internet, three years of every possible scenario, good and bad, playing in their heads over and over.

Did the McStays decide to ditch it all — his water-fountain business, her real-estate plans, two dogs, thousands of dollars in bank accounts, the new home in Fallbrook — and start over somewhere? Was that them in the grainy surveillance video, walking hand-in-hand into Mexico?

Or, as a new book on the case suggests, were there dark undercurrents in the seemingly placid waters of their life together, undercurrents that maybe led to murder?

For the relatives, it’s also been three years of heart-grabbing moments like Mike McStay picking up the phone and hearing Sheriff’s detective Troy DuGal, the lead investigator on the case, ask about broken bones.

“I knew why he was asking — they’d found an unidentified male body,” McStay said.

His brother never had any fractures, though, McStay said. The body wasn’t a match. The waiting and wondering continue, day after day, month after month, year after year.

“It’s like living with a broken heart,” McStay said. “You’re going through the motions of life, but there’s this open wound that won’t be healed until this is resolved.”

A normal day

Feb. 4, 2010 was a Thursday.

Joseph McStay, then 40, had a business meeting in Rancho Cucamonga about one of the fountains his company, Earth Inspired Products, was building. Summer, 43, was at home with Gianni, 4; Joey Jr., 3, known as Chubba; and the two dogs, Bear and Digger.

The family had moved from San Clemente to the five-bedroom, two-story house on Avocado Vista Lane about two months earlier. It’s in one of those housing tracts so familiar to Southern Californians: beige stucco, red-tile roofs, green lawns. This one, just east of Interstate 15, is called Lake Rancho Viejo. “Entering a Traffic Calmed Neighborhood,” the road signs read.

The couple, both licensed real-estate agents, bought the house out of foreclosure for about $320,000. On a video tour Joseph shot before the purchase, posted on YouTube, he talks about the hill out back and calls the neighborhood beautiful. Summer talks about being too close to a truck stop and calls the neighborhood ugly.

They started renovating the house with new countertops, appliances, paint and wood floors. The plan was to sell the home for a big profit down the road, then maybe get back to the beach. Joseph was an avid surfer.

On Feb. 4, Summer spoke on the phone with her sister, who had just had a baby, and made plans for a visit. In the afternoon, at a Ross store in Vista, Summer’s credit card was used to buy beach towels, infant pajamas and a jacket.

The home computer was used that day to search for homeopathic anger-management medication, to scan Craigslist for children’s toys, and to visit the Animal Planet website.

Throughout the day, phone calls from home went to Joseph’s cell, and calls from his cell went to one of his employees. The couple traded text messages.

At 7:47 p.m., a neighbor’s surveillance camera captured the bottom 18-inches of what appears to be the family’s white Isuzu Trooper going by. About 40 minutes later, on his cellphone, Joseph called a co-worker.

Then nothing.

No phone calls, no emails, no texts. No credit-card charges, no ATM withdrawals. No confirmed sightings.

Nothing.

Into Mexico?

Sheriff’s deputies first went to the house on Feb. 10, after a business associate of Joseph’s called to report that he wasn’t responding to phone calls or emails. The deputy knocked on the door and saw nothing amiss.

Three days later, Mike McStay came over from San Clemente, where he lives. He climbed in an unlocked window and looked around. He said he was surprised the dogs were there, but didn’t want to overreact. He thought maybe the family had left for a quick vacation during the President’s Day weekend.

Two days later, when he still hadn’t heard from them, he called the sheriff.

Detective DuGal works in homicide, which investigates missing-persons cases. At the house, he found a carton of eggs and a rotten banana on the kitchen counter, child-size bowls of popcorn in the living room near the TV, Summer’s prescription sunglasses.

To him, it looked like they’d left in a hurry. But why?

The Trooper was located in a storage yard. It had been identified as an abandoned vehicle and towed from a shopping center parking lot in San Ysidro at about 11 p.m. on Feb. 8, four days after anyone last heard from the family. Lot attendants said they believed the SUV had been there since about 6 p.m. that day.

Two child seats were buckled in place inside the Trooper. There were new toys in the back — Chubba’s birthday was Jan. 31 — and asthma medicine in a plastic container on the floor.

Volunteers from the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children scoured hours of border-area surveillance tape and found a foursome that resembled the McStays, two grown-ups and two kids, walking toward the turnstile into Mexico at about 7 p.m. on Feb. 8.

Each adult was holding the hand of a child. The woman was wearing what looked like Ugg boots, a pair of which Summer owned. But the tape was grainy and dark and a positive identification impossible.

Detectives soon found other evidence suggesting the family had gone across the border voluntarily. On Jan. 27, eight days before they disappeared, someone used the family computer to email the “About.com” website about passport requirements for children traveling in Mexico. The month before that, Summer was looking into purchasing Spanish-language software.

Family members weren’t convinced. Why would Joseph abandon his teenage son from an earlier marriage, Jonah, who lived with his mom in North County? Why was Summer looking at “Evite.com” on Feb. 3 for children’s birthday party invitations if she was going away the next day?

And who leaves a budding nest egg house, pets, two vehicles, $100,000 in bank accounts — a life — without saying why and without saying goodbye?

‘Citizen sleuths’

Witness protection would be one answer, but law enforcement says no.

Detectives developed another theory: the family went into Mexico on purpose, and something bad happened. That would explain why there’s been no sign of them. What it doesn’t explain is the four-day gap between their disappearance and the video of four people crossing into Mexico.

“We have not discovered any evidence leading us to believe a crime has occurred thus far,” said Lt. Glenn Giannantonio. “There has been no evidence to show us that the disappearance is anything other than a family being missing of their own free will.”

He said leads have tapered off, but the investigation remains open. “A lot of time and effort was put into this case, more than any other missing-person case I am aware of,” he said. “We have no idea where they are.”

In the absence of officials answers, the case has its own life on the Internet.

Mike McStay runs a site, http://www.mcstayfamily.org , where there are photos and videos of the family and occasional updates about sightings — Montana, Indiana, Baja — and other developments. There is a Facebook page ( http://www.facebook.com/BringTheMcStayFamilyHome ), where the family’s supporters post messages of encouragement.

And there are sites like Websleuths and Justice Quest, where amateur detectives explore every nuance of the case. Joseph’s dizzy spells. Summer’s aliases. Chubba’s birthmark. Their fascination seems endless, their numbers swelling every time Nancy Grace or Geraldo Rivera or Laura Ling explores the case on TV.

Among those drawn to the story is Rick Baker, a former radio-show host and author who was living in Fallbrook around the time the family disappeared. He overheard people talking about it in a coffee shop and got hooked.

He spent hundreds of hours looking into the case — at one point driving from the McStay house to the Ross store in Vista to see how long it took — and is offering a $25,000 reward for locating the missing family.

Baker, who now lives in North Carolina, has also written a book, “No Goodbyes,” which comes out Monday and is full of sinister implications. Much of it is based on private emails and other records that Baker said he obtained from “citizen sleuths” — documents that throw dirt all over the idea that the McStays were a happy family who simply walked off into a Mexican sunset.

The book is hardest on Summer, casting her as hotheaded, manipulative and vindictive. In an interview, Baker said he thinks Summer “did something or had something done” to her husband, although he admitted he has no proof.

Summer’s sister, Tracy Russell, said she’s heard about the book but doesn’t plan to read it. “We’ve suffered enough, and this just makes it harder,” she said. “So many horrible things are being said, and they’ve made my sister into this horrible person. Everybody has character flaws, but to attack her that way, when she isn’t here to defend herself, is so hurtful.”

The book also points fingers at Mike McStay and others over the handling of his brother’s business affairs and personal property after the disappearance. “Did Mike,” the book asks, “know Joseph wasn’t coming back?”

McStay said, “Our family hasn’t taken any of that money, not one dime.” He said funds were used to complete fountain projects already under way and to make child-support payments for Joseph’s teenage son.

Giannantonio, the sheriff’s lieutenant, said, “We have reviewed financial records and have found nothing that would lead us to believe a crime has occurred.”

Asked about the book, McStay sighed. “For everyone else, this is just a story to them,” he said. “For us, this is real life. You try to take the high road and turn the other cheek. Unfortunately, a case like this brings out the bottom dwellers, people trying to line their pockets on the misery of others.”

Baker said any profits he makes from the book — at one point last week pre-orders made it Number 7 on Amazon’s “true crime” best-sellers list — will be donated to a search-and-rescue organization in Texas.

Hopes and fears

Everybody waits.

“It’s three years later, and we have the same hopes and fears,” Russell said. “There’s not a day that goes by that we don’t wonder, worry and try to figure it out.”

Joseph’s mother still sends him emails, catching him up on things, just in case.

Summer’s mom frets whenever the weather turns cold, worried that the family, out there somewhere, might not have enough clothing or shelter to stay warm.

On Avocado Vista Lane, a new family lives in the McStays’ house, which went into foreclosure after they vanished. Neighbor Chris Southard said memories of the disappearance linger.

“We are a close neighborhood. They were new. By the time we knew them a little bit, the news vans were here,” Southard said. The prevailing theory on the street is that “something awful happened. They are never coming back.”

The same hopes. The same fears. The same mystery.

Family members have been encouraged to write their own books. Mike McStay is planning to. “What the heck,” he said, “everybody else is.”

Russell isn’t interested. “I just don’t think it’s going to bring my family home,” she said. “Who are we to sing their song, when we don’t even know what happened to their voices?”

MIA

EnsenadaDr - 2-5-2013 at 08:57 AM

You mean you never heard about the posters in Newport Beach..."Where is Dennis?"
Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Somebody mentioned this a few days back and I almost don't even want to know what happened.......I mean, how they could vanish from the face of the earth. Hopefully, it was well planned and all good.


[Edited on 2-5-2013 by EnsenadaDr]

DENNIS - 2-5-2013 at 09:04 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
You mean you never heard about the posters in Newport Beach..."Where is Dennis?"



Those are "Not Wanted" posters.

EnsenadaDr - 2-5-2013 at 09:36 AM

Still the mystery illudes the Newport Beach community, for over 40 years.... a young. blonde affable bartender disappears from the face of this high society surfing community, rumoured to be somewhere south of the Border...

IMHO I believe that this theory is plausible

durrelllrobert - 2-5-2013 at 10:20 AM

http://newsblaze.com/story/20100403100625kays.nb/topstory.ht...


"I'm going to lay out my theory, so don't scoff at me for idle speculation. I'm sure that the FBI is doing that very thing even as I type these words. But here goes nothing. A favorite movie of mine, 1998's A Simple Plan, directed by Sam Raimi, is my model for what happened to the McStays. In the film Hank Mitchell, his brother Jacob, and a friend Lou stumble upon a downed airplane. They find a dead man inside the crash and $4.4 million dollars in cash, stashed in cargo bags.

The brothers and the friend devise a 'simple plan' to lay low and to keep the money as a sort of retirement account for their old age. This is where the irony comes in, this is anything but a 'simple plan' as a rapid sequence of events put a tire iron in the spokes of a well-oiled scheme.

In this parallel the McStays must have discovered some money that they weren't intended to have. I think it was a sum of more than a million dollars. This cash may have been hidden in one of the fountains that Joseph purchased from Mexico. Narco-traffickers may have been attempting to launder vast amounts of drug money by way of these fountain craftsmen on the other side of the border. The McStays were not supposed to be aware of this scheme.

As such their men on the American side would retrieve this money and smuggle it away to another safehouse. But Joseph accidentally discovered this money when he was working on one of these fountains. The amount was so great, that he decided to keep it after discussing the situation with Summer.

In the film Bill Paxton does something similar with Bridgett Fonda. The money pushes their button. This is where a 'simple plan' comes into play.

And so this would explain why the bank accounts suddenly went dead. The McStays would operate strictly on a cash-only-basis, going forward. They figured that could hide out in Mexico undetected, maybe in some simple village up in the mountains, away from civilization. And their cash would stretch out as far as the eye can see.

Fitting in with my theory, the McStays had to hide out in the states from the 4th to the 8th. They didn't want to cross over into Mexico too rapidly, lest the traffickers might surprise them at the crossing. Why leave the white Isuzu Trooper in San Ysidro? Because the Bad Men knew of the vehicle from the news, so they had to get rid of it. And what about the last call to the business partner?

This is why I think he knew. He may have tipped off the McStays that 'they' were looking for them. This would also explain why he won't give his name or provide the media with a statement of some kind. Also, I believe the police know of his involvement and are providing him with a makeshift 'witness protection program.' This would also explain why it took so long to report the disappearance to the authorities. Enough time was allowed for the McStays to hide away in the remotest regions of Mexico.

And then you might wonder why the McStays didn't just return the money to these traffickers? The reason why is this wasn't even an option! Even if they did return the money, they would still be killed to silence them. This is how these ruthless criminals operate, in say, Ciudad Juarez. The McStays had no choice but to flee with the money in tow. They had but one choice-a permanent departure from their once beautiful life.

mtgoat666 - 2-5-2013 at 10:51 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by durrelllrobert
IMHO I believe that this theory is plausible


and it is EQUALLY probable that they were abducted by space aliens.

fandango - 4-9-2013 at 08:05 PM

the latest:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/09/investigators-say-m...

[Edited on 4-10-2013 by BajaNomad]

BajaNomad - 4-9-2013 at 08:43 PM

--
San Diego Sheriff Department was the primary lead on our case from the very beginning with many other agencies , including the FBI and DOJ, assisting in running down all the tips that came across Detective DuGal’s desk.

This morning at 8:30am my phone rings with a number I clearly recognize as the lead Detective on the case. He assured me that a Press Release was being conducted “as we speak” and he read off to me what was to be said. SDSD has been very supportive throughout this whole ordeal and clearly wants to resolve our missing family person’s case.

The FBI has always taken part in our case because there are small minor children involved. The portion of the FBI that investigates missing children has been assisting SDSD from day one. I know that my mom and I are happy with SDSD and are optimistic with the resources that the FBI brings to the table.

We simply want to know what happened to our missing loved ones. We are grateful that there has been so much love and support the past 3 years.
--

http://www.mcstayfamily.org/new

McStays Left San Diego Voluntarily

Gypsy Jan - 4-10-2013 at 12:41 PM

McStay family's vehicle, a white 1996 Isuzu Trooper, was found abandoned in a San Ysidro parking lot on Feb. 8. - Nelvin C. Cepeda / Union-Tribune

FALLBROOK - "While the three-year investigation into the missing McStay family has yielded few clues, sheriff's detectives said Tuesday that evidence seems to indicate the foursome traveled into Mexico of their own free will.

Because the family is believed to be out of the country, the case has been transferred to the FBI as the lead investigative agency. The FBI has more international resources, as well as agents who specialize in missing persons cases that involve children.

The announcement Tuesday is the first time sheriff's investigators have revealed a strong consensus in the case.

The McStays - Joseph, wife Summer, and young sons Gianni and Joey Jr. - disappeared from their new Fallbrook home in February 2010, shocking their friends and family. Investigators had little to go on as they worked to determine if the family ran off or fell victim to foul play.

They haven't been heard from or seen since Feb. 4, 2010.

Mike McStay, Joseph McStay's brother, has agonized over the mystery ever since. He said Tuesday that while physical and circumstantial evidence seems to point to a trip to Mexico, no one has actually spotted them down there.

"They've never really been able to confirm anything. It's really just circumstantial evidence," he said.

The family apparently left in a hurry. Groceries were found abandoned on the kitchen counter, and their two dogs in the backyard.

The family's Isuzu Trooper was found parked in a lot in San Ysidro and towed days after their disappearance, with two car seats and a child's asthma medicine inside.

On the family's computer, investigators found Internet searches for passport requirements to bring children into Mexico.

A surveillance tape at the border four days after their disappearance seems to show a man, woman and two children crossing, but the video quality is poor.

The Sheriff's Department, with help from the FBI, ran down hundreds of tips that have come in over the years, with no success.

Sheriff's Lt. Glenn Giannantonio said he gathered all the investigators working the case about a month ago and asked for their best conclusions.

"We may never know for sure, but do we think it was them (in the video)? The answer is yes," Giannantonio said.

"There is nothing to show that they went other than voluntarily when they are seen crossing the border," he said. "They walk past three customs agents and make no attempt to get any help." Detectives found no other indications of a struggle or crime scene.

With that, they decided the FBI would be the most appropriate agency to follow up. Still, tips keep coming in. Sheriff's homicide Detective Troy DuGal, who has handled the case from the beginning, just got three or four new leads last week, including a possible sighting in New York. They will all be checked out, Giannantonio said.

Mike McStay, who lives in Orange County, has his own doubts about who is really seen crossing in that video.

He said he has sent his own team down to Mexico three times, scouring Baja down to Cabo San Lucas and over to Guerrero Negro. A lack of funds has prevented him from making more trips.

He said he welcomes the FBI's added resources and continued help from the Sheriff's Department."

A reward of up to $1,000 is being offered for information that leads to a resolution in the case. Tipsters can remain anonymous by contacting Crime Stoppers at (888) 580-8477 or sdcrimestoppers.com.

DENNIS - 4-10-2013 at 12:50 PM

Here's the new book on the subject:

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/no-good-byes-rick-baker/1114...

Hook - 4-10-2013 at 01:13 PM

I'm not understanding the money inside the fountain theory. Dont the cartels usually try and move dollars FROM the US TO Mexico? Why would money be inside a fountain imported INTO the US?

Also, if they were hiding out in Mexico with large sums of dollars, it would have to be a rural area or they would have been spotted in a populated area by now. Passing lots of dollars in a rural area can be very unsafe.

Interesting story. I suspect they have met an untimely fate. So hard to disappear these days.

DENNIS - 4-10-2013 at 01:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Gypsy Jan
A surveillance tape at the border four days after their disappearance seems to show a man, woman and two children crossing, but the video quality is poor.




Seems that camera equipment in sensitive areas should have higher quality images. What good is it if you can't identify people twenty feet away.

Something else not mentioned above....they left $100,000 bucks in their local bank. ????????

EnsenadaDr - 4-10-2013 at 02:05 PM

Well, shoot, DENNIS, they are still trying to track you down in Newport Beach...after 20 years.
Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Somebody mentioned this a few days back and I almost don't even want to know what happened.......I mean, how they could vanish from the face of the earth. Hopefully, it was well planned and all good.

mtgoat666 - 4-10-2013 at 02:30 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by Gypsy Jan
A surveillance tape at the border four days after their disappearance seems to show a man, woman and two children crossing, but the video quality is poor.




Seems that camera equipment in sensitive areas should have higher quality images. What good is it if you can't identify people twenty feet away.

Something else not mentioned above....they left $100,000 bucks in their local bank. ????????


it's only money. perhaps they are not focused on money and find other things to focus on in life!

DENNIS - 4-10-2013 at 03:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666
it's only money. perhaps they are not focused on money and find other things to focus on in life!


I guess his brother was intensly focused on the money shortly after the disappearance.

I heard an interview with the author of the book this AM. I'm sending for it, although I'm not expecting much in new facts, but I need a new bathroom book.

motoged - 4-10-2013 at 03:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS

I guess his brother was intensly focused on the money shortly after the disappearance.


Some of the links above have a comment from the brother regarding his need to manage the missing brother's finances (mortgage, business commitments, etc).

I am presently responsible for probating my father's estate....and would be offended if someone "guessed" that my efforts to be fiscally/legally responsible (which have been "intense" at times....e.g. questioning accountant why his rate charged is double that of other accountants; why the accountant gave advice to stall paying estate taxes [which led to significant penalty]) were designed to be disreputable.

Clearly there is so much folks do NOT know about this mystery but are willing to be armchair sleuths. The book apparently is one of those efforts.

Kgryfon - 4-10-2013 at 04:00 PM

I'm with you, Motoged, having just been the executor of my parents trust (they recently died within 2 months of each other). Someone has to pay the bills, ensure income is properly received/recorded, titles are transferred, mortage paid (not not, as appropriate), etc., until the estate is finalized. Seems his brother was taking care of those things. Somebody had to. Doesn't mean he was stealing. Some posts and atrticles seem to imply a nefarious motive to his brother simply taking care of business. If I read right, the sheriff looked into it and found nothing out of place with what his brother was doing.

KaceyJ - 4-10-2013 at 04:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hook
I'm not understanding the money inside the fountain theory. Dont the cartels usually try and move dollars FROM the US TO Mexico? Why would money be inside a fountain imported INTO the US?

Also, if they were hiding out in Mexico with large sums of dollars, it would have to be a rural area or they would have been spotted in a populated area by now. Passing lots of dollars in a rural area can be very unsafe.

Interesting story. I suspect they have met an untimely fate. So hard to disappear these days.



Hook

When you get tired of over developing Baja real estate , you invest in racing horses .

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/12/justice/texas-cartel-horseraci...

;)

DENNIS - 4-10-2013 at 04:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by KaceyJ

When you get tired of over developing Baja real estate , you invest in racing horses .




Yeah...They've built a two lane sprint track right here on the road from Punta Banda to Maneadero.....starting gates, rails and some beautiful horses. It's not a public event track.

Wally - 6-19-2013 at 01:46 PM

I was in front of the plaza in San Jose that Habeneros restaurant is in last week when a Joe McStay's mother walked up and asked me where the police station was located. After explaining it she handed me a missing persons flyer for these folks.

Still missing, still no solid leads. She's still looking.


.

[Edited on 6-21-2013 by Wally]

News report: remains of McStay family possibly ID'd in CA

Whale-ista - 11-14-2013 at 07:52 PM

Car had been observed at San Ysidro crossing, leading to speculation that family was in Baja.

San Diego news report: http://www.10news.com/news/sources-investigators-looking-int...

DENNIS - 11-14-2013 at 08:09 PM

Big "IF"....we'll see.

McStay Family news

Chupacabra - 11-14-2013 at 11:04 PM

Not looking good:

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/nov/14/remains-missing-m...

From The San Diego Union: "The remains of four people found Monday in the San Bernardino County desert might be those of the McStay family — a father, wife and two young sons who went missing from their Fallbrook home in 2010."

McStays

chuckie - 11-15-2013 at 04:43 AM

Morning news indicates the bodies of what may be the McStay's have been found in the desert...Watch for more....

nobaddays - 11-15-2013 at 06:35 AM

So it looks like it was the killers who fled to Mexico in the MCstays car.

Found

bajaguy - 11-15-2013 at 07:38 AM

Positive ID made on husband & wife, pending on 2 children:

http://www.cbs8.com/story/23976542/bodies-found-in-desert-ar...

BajaBlanca - 11-15-2013 at 07:50 AM

Just horrific.

This author had it right about McStay family, sadly...

Whale-ista - 11-15-2013 at 11:04 AM

From http://m.barnesandnoble.com/w/no-good-byes-rick-baker/111415...

On February 4, 2010, the McStay family of four mysteriously vanished from their Southern California home.
In the past three years, the FBI, Homeland Security, Interpol, the Mexican Federales, as well as numerous National Missing Persons agencies have all investigated this disappearance to no avail.

Unconfirmed sightings of the family have been reported along the East Coast of the U.S. from New Jersey to Florida, as well as Mexico, Costa Rica and Haiti.
Yet, the $25,000 cash reward for finding the family remains unclaimed.

What happened to Joseph, Summer, Gianni, and Joseph Mateo McStay?

Did one or all of them meet with foul play by a family member, as some believe, or did they decide to start a new life somewhere else? Are there four bodies buried in a shallow Southern California grave, or are Joseph and Summer watching all this commotion from afar, smiling as they sip their margaritas?

Rick Baker is one of the foremost authorities on the McStay case, having spent countless hours in the past three years investigating and researching this mystery. He has followed an extensive paper trail, interviewed friends and family, and traveled to locations where sightings have been reported. This is his account of what may have transpired leading up to and following the disappearance.

[Edited on 11-16-2013 by Whale-ista]

Bajahowodd - 11-15-2013 at 04:59 PM

There was much posted on this forum when they first disappeared.

Seems to me that whoever did this really had a beef with Mcstay. Perhaps he was not a nice man.

But, from the "reported" sightings of the family walking through the gates at San Ysidro, to the purported sightings in El Rosario, it turns out to be BS.

And btw jim, your link won't work. Talk to Doug about why not.

Bajahowodd - 11-15-2013 at 05:02 PM

Apparently Mcstay was no one of the good guys and really made some violent enemies.

monoloco - 11-15-2013 at 05:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Apparently Mcstay was no one of the good guys and really made some violent enemies.
Sounds to me like they crossed paths with a psychopath. Even the cartels in Mexico rarely kill the whole family over bad business.

DENNIS - 11-15-2013 at 06:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Apparently Mcstay was no one of the good guys and really made some violent enemies.



Why guess?
We'll probably never know.

DENNIS - 11-15-2013 at 06:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by monoloco
Sounds to me like they crossed paths with a psychopath. Even the cartels in Mexico rarely kill the whole family over bad business.



Not so:

http://articles.latimes.com/1998/sep/18/news/mn-24019

grace59 - 11-15-2013 at 06:56 PM

How sad, especially for the children who were not involved in whatever their Parent(s) were involved in....I was hoping for a happier ending!

BajaNomad - 11-15-2013 at 08:44 PM




https://www.facebook.com/BringTheMcStayFamilyHome

Mcstays have been found

desertcpl - 11-16-2013 at 10:41 AM

http://news.yahoo.com/sheriff-bodies-found-desert-missing-co...


they have been found dead and the children in the desert

Despite presistant reports of sightings in Baja

durrelllrobert - 11-17-2013 at 12:00 PM

.. the McStay family was found in the US.

Los Angeles Times-
by James Rainey-1 hour ago

Nearly four years ago, the McStays left their snug home in suburban San Diego County on a chilly February evening. Piling into their Isuzu Trooper, parents Joseph and Summer and young sons Gianni and Joseph Jr. left behind two dogs, two bowls of popcorn and, soon, a mystery.


Their car turned up four days later in the parking lot of a mini-mall near the Mexican border, with a few birthday toys for one of the boys tossed in back. But there was no sign of the McStays.

Some 1,374 days later and about 100 miles to the north, San Bernardino County sheriff's deputies uncovered the skeletal remains of the parents and two small bodies believed to be their boys, authorities said Friday. An off-road motorcyclist had noticed a few scattered bones four days earlier, near what turned out to be a pair of shallow graves on the edge of the desert outside Victorville.

EnsenadaDr - 11-17-2013 at 01:38 PM

The only sighting I have heard of is the very blurry picture of a family crossing the border that had a wife, a tall man and two small children but the identities could not be confirmed.My son mentioned that if they had had a gun in the house this might not have happened.
Quote:
Originally posted by durrelllrobert
.. the McStay family was found in the US.

Los Angeles Times-
by James Rainey-1 hour ago

Nearly four years ago, the McStays left their snug home in suburban San Diego County on a chilly February evening. Piling into their Isuzu Trooper, parents Joseph and Summer and young sons Gianni and Joseph Jr. left behind two dogs, two bowls of popcorn and, soon, a mystery.


Their car turned up four days later in the parking lot of a mini-mall near the Mexican border, with a few birthday toys for one of the boys tossed in back. But there was no sign of the McStays.

Some 1,374 days later and about 100 miles to the north, San Bernardino County sheriff's deputies uncovered the skeletal remains of the parents and two small bodies believed to be their boys, authorities said Friday. An off-road motorcyclist had noticed a few scattered bones four days earlier, near what turned out to be a pair of shallow graves on the edge of the desert outside Victorville.

DENNIS - 11-17-2013 at 01:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
The only sighting I have heard of is the very blurry picture of a family crossing the border that had a wife, a tall man and two small children but the identities could not be confirmed.



Unbelievable, the poor quality of the video, considering the importance Homeland Security places on border protection...or says they do anyway.
I would bet videos of us passing into the US aren't of such poor quality.

EnsenadaDr - 11-17-2013 at 02:04 PM

Yes the US was so insistent about Mexico being the solution to the crime that they overlooked the real killers. Who did kill the family? I can find no past criminal activity on the husband or the family. Who would go to such lengths to bury the family in the Mojave Desert and leaving their Isuzu Trooper vehicle at the San Ysidro/Tijuana border as a decoy? From last reports, there was $100,000 left in their bank accounts when they disappeared. Now maybe after pointing fingers to Mexico and the family possibly leaving the US behind the San Diego Sheriff's Department can concentrate on finding the real killers.
Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
The only sighting I have heard of is the very blurry picture of a family crossing the border that had a wife, a tall man and two small children but the identities could not be confirmed.



Unbelievable, the poor quality of the video, considering the importance Homeland Security places on border protection...or says they do anyway.
I would bet videos of us passing into the US aren't of such poor quality.

bajario - 11-17-2013 at 02:37 PM

"Unbelievable, the poor quality of the video, considering the importance Homeland Security places on border protection...or says they do anyway.
I would bet videos of us passing into the US aren't of such poor quality. "

I dunno Dennis. Every time they show a bank, ATM, or gas station robber the pictures are terrible with limited range. Every time I ask my self why skimp on surveillance?

DENNIS - 11-17-2013 at 03:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by bajario

I dunno Dennis. Every time they show a bank, ATM, or gas station robber the pictures are terrible with limited range. Every time I ask my self why skimp on surveillance?



Yeah...I know. Those vids are terrible. One would think the insurance companies would insist on better equipment......or, are we the insurance company?
I'm starting to need a box of beer.

EnsenadaDr - 11-17-2013 at 03:51 PM

The cost of the time per hour and manpower to review millions of people crossing the border each year would be unrealistic.

vandenberg - 11-17-2013 at 04:02 PM

Didn't I read somewhere that the guy had some dealings in Tijuana shortly before the disappearance?
The Isuzu found at the border points to people abandoning it there and crosslng on foot.
And the hit, including small children, has the feeling of a Cartel hit, with no mercy for anyone.

4 years went by, lots of luck finding the scum.

[Edited on 11-17-2013 by vandenberg]

EnsenadaDr - 11-17-2013 at 04:09 PM

I didn't read that, if you find the article or source please post it. It certainly does have the feel of a cartel hit, but why they would come across the border to do it is strange...and go all the way to the Mojave Desert to dispose of the bodies.
Quote:
Originally posted by vandenberg
Didn't I read somewhere that the guy had some dealings in Tijuana shortly before the disappearance?
The Isuzu found at the border points to people abandoning it there and crosslng on foot.
And the hit, including small children, has the feeling of a Cartel hit, with no mercy for anyone.

4 years went by, lots of luck finding the scum.

[Edited on 11-17-2013 by vandenberg]

bajadogs - 11-17-2013 at 07:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
I didn't read that, if you find the article or source please post it. It certainly does have the feel of a cartel hit, but why they would come across the border to do it is strange...and go all the way to the Mojave Desert to dispose of the bodies.
Quote:
Originally posted by vandenberg
Didn't I read somewhere that the guy had some dealings in Tijuana shortly before the disappearance?
The Isuzu found at the border points to people abandoning it there and crosslng on foot.
And the hit, including small children, has the feeling of a Cartel hit, with no mercy for anyone.

4 years went by, lots of luck finding the scum.

[Edited on 11-17-2013 by vandenberg]


It IS logical to me that the perps would take them to the Mojave Desert, using the McStay car and the perp's car. There are no stop signs, no signal lights, and NO CHECKPOINTS, from Fallbrook to Barstow and beyond. Easy ride, kill them there, ride both cars to the border, dump the minivan, done.

Oh, I also do not believe this is just some random act of violence.

Edit: to not make it look like I'm drunk.

[Edited on 11-18-2013 by bajadogs]

BajaNomad - 11-17-2013 at 08:15 PM

For amateur sleuths looking for something to do, here's more that's "out there" on this... both previously, and presently:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2508766/Mystery-McSt...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2508305/Author-McSta...

http://joebrainardspajamas.blogspot.com/2011/12/mcstays-upda...

http://joebrainardspajamas.blogspot.com/2013/01/darker-scena...

http://www.cheaterville.com/?page=cheaters&id=10506

http://letsfindthem.wordpress.com/2013/03/29/the-mystery-of-...

http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12025015

BajaNomad - 11-17-2013 at 08:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
article or source please post it


"Joseph McStay`s job involves importing decorative fountains, like little mini-water falls, from Mexico"

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1311/15/ijvm.01.html

DENNIS - 11-17-2013 at 09:42 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
but why they would come across the border to do it is strange...



They are here. They are everywhere. The border is meaningless. [thank you, open border advocates]

"Dig the Moat....Let loose The gators....Float the Mines....Starve the Sharks........."

BajaNomad - 11-18-2013 at 08:06 PM




https://www.youtube.com/user/jbmcstay

[Edited on 11-19-2013 by BajaNomad]

mcstay-boys.jpg - 50kB

EnsenadaDr - 11-18-2013 at 09:34 PM

Killing the two little boys, is heartbreaking. The question is why would you kill two innocent children? Somebody must have been awfully angry.

durrelllrobert - 11-19-2013 at 12:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BajaNomad
Quote:
Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
article or source please post it


"Joseph McStay`s job involves importing decorative fountains, like little mini-water falls, from Mexico"

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1311/15/ijvm.01.html


...and one of the early theories was that a large fountain shipped to his shop in the US contained cocaine or drug cartel money and they were really peeed because he took off with it?

EnsenadaDr - 11-20-2013 at 06:38 AM

From the link above, I only see the mention of Mexico and fountains in passing but no concrete facts. Where did you get your source of information on the drugs hidden in the fountains Bob?

EnsenadaDr - 11-20-2013 at 06:41 AM

The other thing is, the perps could have taken the Isuzu Trooper easily across the border, and changed the VIN number for compensation. I don't believe it was a Mexico connection, they would have had no problem, relatively speaking, driving the car across the border at the time because the family wasn't known as missing at the time. I think it was a decoy to make everyone believe it was a Mexico connection.

DENNIS - 11-22-2013 at 11:11 AM

Heard something on the news this AM about his business partner perhaps being a person of interest since they were together shortly before the disappearance and found buried near his house?

I wouldn't be buying any stock in his future.

EnsenadaDr - 11-22-2013 at 11:15 AM

That seems like a very plausible solution Dennis, and highly likely. Of course the "experts in the field" frown down upon any speculation by us "wannabe detectives". It really teases the mind however to find a solution, and makes a fascinating story.

ANPR

captkw - 11-22-2013 at 07:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
The cost of the time per hour and manpower to review millions of people crossing the border each year would be unrealistic.
Hola doc & all....guess what??? your wrong on this !! every car/truck/bus is recorded !! AND NOT NEW TECH !! ANPR (AUTOMATIC NUMBER PLATE RECONITION) IS ON THE US SIDE OF THE BORDER and has been for a few years !!! and a few cop/shops in the usa also have them...Big Brother is watching !! OHH that Great FREE feeling !!! :rolleyes:

BajaNomad - 11-22-2013 at 07:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Heard something on the news this AM about his business partner perhaps being a person of interest since they were together shortly before the disappearance and found buried near his house?


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2510247/Prime-suspec...

BN

captkw - 11-22-2013 at 08:41 PM

SIR,,with all due respect !! why do folks in the USA need to get real news from the UK ?? I know that the news in the USA is a joke......but..is it that bad ?? Thanks for a Great update and what a sad story IMO...K&T............:cool:
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