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Bill Collector - 7-20-2010 at 06:16 AM

One panga was in front of the Pemex next to you, the other two were closer to Palmas. NOT good
We are going to get an alarm system with just a siren. We don’t want to do any windows or door, the system we are looking at comes with two key pads. We would have one in the bedroom, one in the living room. That way if we see any one, we hit the button, figure it’ll alert our neighbors we have a problem. Might make the bad guys take off knowing we are on to them…So far we have 4 families that want them……..

[Edited on 7-20-2010 by Bill Collector]

torch - 7-20-2010 at 06:59 AM

this is what I've come up with at my place

My first line of defense is an air horn. I've told all of my neighbors if the horn goes off to come check it out. I've also conditioned (antaganized) sp
my local dog pack (8 dogs) to seek out the sound which gets them in a frenzy. I also have a few next lines of defense at my close disposal.

fishabductor - 7-20-2010 at 07:06 AM

Where the pangas on trailers?

With all the crime last weekend, and with the Attackers saying they'll kill if anyone talks....I wonder if there are a couple of people who were robbed and haven't talked in fear for their lives?

Everytime the dogs barked the last few nights I have been up immediately....however each time it has been a cow.


[Edited on 7-20-2010 by fishabductor]

Bill Collector - 7-20-2010 at 08:21 AM

All the pangas were in the water.

fishabductor - 7-20-2010 at 08:26 AM

Where they sportfishing setups or commercial open set ups.

shari - 7-20-2010 at 08:33 AM

this incident is tragic and puts everyone who lives in baja on edge but serves us well as a warning to be generally more alert.

I understand Tony's post and can say the same thing about Asuncion....but just because it's always been safe doesnt mean it always will be. It just takes one perp to screw things up and I highly suggest that even those of us who live in crime free areas to take this to heart and re evaluate our situations. I dont think twice about answering the door at night and is normal for people to come for help occasionally...but I will certainly be more on guard in the future.

wessongroup - 7-20-2010 at 09:16 AM

The continuing slow down of the U.S. economy will not really help either, and I fear will only make things worse.. usually wrong, and hope so...

chnlisle - 7-21-2010 at 12:49 AM

Ya know, all this macho talk of dogs, air horns, steel doors, iron bars, etc...it's just a big waste of time. Stop kidding yourselves and trying to talk yourselves into a false sense of security. Mexicans are not stupid. They'll wait until you open your door to go outside, they'll shoot your dog and they will clean you out. If you resist in any way they will kill you. You have absolutely no defense and they know they will get away with it. They have 24/7 to sit there and watch you and plan their moves.

Today in Rosarito, they shot the dog too.


http://content.el-mexicano.com.mx/media/imagenes/2010/7/2010...

[Edited on 7-22-2010 by BajaNomad]

bajafreaks - 7-21-2010 at 06:50 AM

Ive been following this post since I have ties to buena vista and it's all been interesting info but this picture by chnlisle although it may be reality is totally uncalled for.

monoloco - 7-21-2010 at 06:59 AM

I agree, totally. Buena Vista is not Rosarito.

torch - 7-21-2010 at 07:04 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chnlisle
Ya know, all this macho talk of dogs, air horns, steel doors, iron bars, etc...it's just a big waste of time.

My air horn is macho? awfull picture

Bill Collector - 7-21-2010 at 09:04 AM

I was actually very happy that everyone was adding postive things to this post, then this morning I see that picture. WRONG, that is just WRONG

DENNIS - 7-21-2010 at 09:19 AM

The photo is graphic...for sure, but the victims of this thread were close to an identical outcome.
Sometimes people need to be shocked into a full understanding of a matter and words alone will never illustrate the point as that photo does.
It may be vile, but it's everybody's reality. It's what we have to guard against.

bajajudy - 7-21-2010 at 09:30 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS

It may be vile, but it's everybody's reality. It's what we have to guard against.


It may be your reality but it certainly isnt mine

surfer jim - 7-21-2010 at 09:32 AM

I think the photo shows the reality of what can happen.The mordida that gets you out of a traffic ticket also lets others get away with this.It just costs more.

DENNIS - 7-21-2010 at 09:35 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by bajajudy

It may be your reality but it certainly isnt mine


The possibility is, unless you live in a vault.

chnlisle - 7-21-2010 at 11:16 AM

Sorry if that a picture offended some. It is in the local Mexican newspapers. Anyone reading one would see it. So, I guess you can just NOT read the news and remain in ignorant bliss.

wessongroup - 7-21-2010 at 11:22 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
The photo is graphic...for sure, but the victims of this thread were close to an identical outcome.
Sometimes people need to be shocked into a full understanding of a matter and words alone will never illustrate the point as that photo does.
It may be vile, but it's everybody's reality. It's what we have to guard against.


We are in total agreement !!! it ain't a game.. it's real... as many in LE and others that are first responders know to well.. they see it every day... by the way thanks..

wessongroup - 7-21-2010 at 11:35 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chnlisle
Sorry if that a picture offended some. It is in the local Mexican newspapers. Anyone reading one would see it. So, I guess you can just NOT read the news and remain in ignorant bliss.


In my mind... you have done us a favor.. you put a face on those numbers we see so often down here.. 19 killed.. 16 killed..

We are sheltered from the reality of life.. whether its the slaughtering of animals or people.. we choose not to watch.. we would prefer our reality to be devoid of "images" which upset us..

Mexico news media does not filter "things" the same way it is done in the States... and good for them.. it is what is happening and what it "looks like".. it is news, complete news .... it was published in a newspaper.. I thought

Condolences to the families of the victims ...

[Edited on 7-21-2010 by wessongroup]

ELINVESTIG8R - 7-21-2010 at 11:40 AM

That is a ghastly sight but necessary to keep people on their toes. Who knows what the dead people did, if anything to get what is depicted. I'm sure the dog did nothing. Rest in peace dog as you are innocent. To the two humans depicted, rest in peace also unless you too killed people. If so, burn in hell. To the killers of these humans and animal may you also burn in hell! It’s easy to kidnap and kill when people are unarmed. Valientes! Si Chuey como no!

Edit: For spelling error!

[Edited on 7-21-2010 by ELINVESTIG8R]

mtgoat666 - 7-21-2010 at 11:41 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chnlisle
Today in Rosarito, they shot the dog too.


chinless:
the pic you posted was put in paper purely for ghoulish voyeuristic titilation. your posting the pic here was same motivation.
what's the story that goes along with pic? gang members, innocents or gray zone in between (e.g. cops)

wessongroup - 7-21-2010 at 12:02 PM

Was the "real news coverage" of the Vietnam war done for "ghoulish voyeuristic titillation"? No ... they were done so the "people" could see first hand what was going on... and I must say.. the overall lack of coverage what has been going on for almost ten years is pathetic.. can remember NBC having a wall up with "photographs" of the folks getting killed.. think they ran out of space or was it commitment or both..

You want to go to Disneyland.. it's in CA & FL as what you see here is what you can get here.... it is that simple.. keep awake, keep thinking and keep your guard up.. one does not have to live in fear... I don't .. but I don't think for one minute.. that someone that has "cased" me.. from a distance for a few weeks could not take out an old man, if they really wanted to.. even if I had Dr. Glock.. as they would have taken that into consideration too... as said.. I would be shot as I stepped out the door.. as I turn a light on in the kitchen or bathroom .. many ways to go, if you have the knowledge... and/or training .. and one can make up a silencer pretty damn easy..

noproblemo2 - 7-21-2010 at 12:16 PM

Such a shame that people have to resort to such violence, and for what??? Food, Drugs, Pay the rent?? Times are tough everywhere and it will get worse, the best we can do is protect ourselves as best we can, alarm systems have been known to fail in their ability to get responders, security bars can be cut, a camera with a tilt/pan range would at least offer some advance warning of impending dangers, IF one is watching the monitor. wessongroup, I agree with the need to keep emergency supplies on hand at all times, minimum one month supply of food and water along with a good first aid kit tailored to your families medical needs.. Even with precautions taken things will still occur...

Bajatripper - 7-21-2010 at 12:33 PM

Without knowing anything else about the photo, I'm going to take a stab in the dark and say that it involves drug territories. Some may accuse me of stereotyping, but the truth is that most of these types of killings are about drug turf wars, and the statistics prove it. These folks weren't even caught in a crossfire, but were obviously targetted.

What happened in Buena Vista is cause for alarm--for sure--and many useful suggestions have been made here. But to flat-out state that this (the photo) is where we who still choose to remain in Mexico will end up is disingenuous at best, and nothing short of screaming "Fire" in a crowded theater because someone was smoking in the bathroom at its worst.

Those who made recommendations for airhorns, alarms, barred windows/doors, etc. made perfect sense to me. Some of these are the same countermeasures that people in the host nation use, so they must be effective at certain level of people wouldn't bother with the expense. To equte these ideas with "macho talk" is puzzling. Heck, the poster didn't even mention a gun or a Hummer, how could it be macho talk?

And yes, these types of photos do show up in Mexican papers (the Alarma was my favorite "gore fix" as a kid), but that doesn't make it right to place it here.

Some have said that it is good to be exposed to such "information" to be more aware. But that wasn't the purpose of THIS photo posting. It, along with the accompanying text, was meant to cause a great deal of anxiety, concern, fear, and panic. I'm guessing it will have that effect on some.

To all of you who made valuable contributions (I'm going to make me a batch of the pepper spray), thanks, and good on you. To the poster of photo, "shame, shame, shame" (in my best imitation of Gomer Pyle).
Shame on you!

toneart - 7-21-2010 at 12:44 PM

One way in which this string has helped: It has been a reminder to not become complacent or let your guard down. The opportunists are out there looking for the vulnerable and the unaware.

Here is the best protection:

Be aware of your surroundings. Take a good look and look for people who may be casing your house and/or stalking you. The same goes for when you are out and walking about. Don't get paranoid or let this awareness ruin your day.

Any of the weapons described here will be no match for the firepower that you can't legally possess. But...they may give you a fighting chance to impede, stall and then run. In my opinion, that is better that just giving up to an execution.

That photo with the dog really disturbed me.

Every situation is unique and everybody's reactions in time of crisis is also unique. You really don't know how you would react, but it is better to plan and even rehearse different scenarios in your mind.

Bajatripper - 7-21-2010 at 12:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by toneart
One way in which this string has helped: It has been a reminder to not become complacent or let your guard down. The opportunists are out there looking for the vulnerable and the unaware.

Here is the best protection:

Be aware of your surroundings. Take a good look and look for people who may be casing your house and/or stalking you. The same goes for when you are out and walking about. Don't get paranoid or let this awareness ruin your day.

Any of the weapons described here will be no match for the firepower that you can't legally possess. But...they may give you a fighting chance to impede, stall and then run. In my opinion, that is better that just giving up to an execution.

That photo with the dog really disturbed me.

Every situation is unique and everybody's reactions in time of crisis is also unique. You really don't know how you would react, but it is better to plan and even rehearse different scenarios in your mind.


Well said, Toneart, couldn't agree more.

wessongroup - 7-21-2010 at 12:48 PM

Tone, Ditto's...

motoged - 7-21-2010 at 12:59 PM

Photos of dead people tend to be disturbing.


The self-satisfying ranting about "what I would do if...." is not much more than illusionary self-deception for most people....as most people would sh#t themselves before they would bring themselves to using lethal force.

Those on this list who have actually killed people (most likely in the line of duty) likely know the horror of that.

It's reality and a reminder....not much more ghoulish than blustering about how you would defend yourself.

I am not against defending yourself, but few people are truly prepared for how to do that...



Sounds like Baja is experiencing a new wave of desperate violence ....driven by a range of factors.

Que lastima !!

noproblemo2 - 7-21-2010 at 01:17 PM

This all being said, but none of us actually know what we would do in these types of circumstances until faced with them.We know what we think we would do, but reality is way different.

fishabductor - 7-21-2010 at 01:26 PM

Another question too.... is when do you decide to attack. The bad guys have an advantage in that they know what they are going to do...we on the other hand have to decide if there is a threat or not. Do you go to the door armed or not...etc.

[Edited on 7-21-2010 by fishabductor]

noproblemo2 - 7-21-2010 at 01:29 PM

Think maybe in these times armed may be better even if it's a knife......

bajaguy - 7-21-2010 at 01:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by fishabductor
Another question too.... is when do you decide to attack. The bad guys have an advantage in that they know what they are going to do...we on the other hand have to decide if there is a threat or not. Do you goo to the door armed or not...etc.





I think just the opposite. The "bad guys" assume that you will roll over and do what they want. Doing anything "out of the box" does not fit into their plan......read Sun Tzu:

http://www.chinapage.com/sunzi-e.html

fishabductor - 7-21-2010 at 01:34 PM

We just got a 1y/o trained Rhodesian Ridgeback guard dog last night. It is a nice piece of mind. She is very protective already and we've only had her 20hrs!! She doen't let anyone come close, however she has already bonded with us.

It'll be interested to see how she is in a month or a year from now.

MsTerieus - 7-21-2010 at 01:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by fishabductor
Another question too.... Do you goo to the door armed or not...etc.


Do you goo to the door or poo in your pants? (Or just crumple them in a bunch?)





[Edited on 7-21-2010 by MsTerieus]

DENNIS - 7-21-2010 at 01:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by fishabductor
Another question too.... is when do you decide to attack. The bad guys have an advantage in that they know what they are going to do...we on the other hand have to decide if there is a threat or not. Do you goo to the door armed or not...etc.



Under all possible circumstances , they must be kept at a distance. Don't open a door without a security barrier in place.
If the safe distance is violated, you have time to react.
If some don't think they can do this intuitively, practice it.

fishabductor - 7-21-2010 at 01:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by bajaguy
Quote:
Originally posted by fishabductor
Another question too.... is when do you decide to attack. The bad guys have an advantage in that they know what they are going to do...we on the other hand have to decide if there is a threat or not. Do you go to the door armed or not...etc.


I think just the opposite. The "bad guys" assume that you will roll over and do what they want. Doing anything "out of the box" does not fit into their plan......read Sun Tzu:

http://www.chinapage.com/sunzi-e.html


I disagree because to do that...we'd have to assume everyone is out to get us. Ans act accordingly to not be caught off guard.

DENNIS - 7-21-2010 at 01:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by fishabductor
I disagree because to do that...we'd have to assume everyone is out to get us. Ans act accordingly to not be caught off guard.


Extreme vigilance is a life saver.

wessongroup - 7-21-2010 at 01:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by fishabductor
We just got a 1y/o trained Rhodesian Ridgeback guard dog last night. It is a nice piece of mind. She is very protective already and we've only had her 20hrs!! She doen't let anyone come close, however she has already bonded with us.

It'll be interested to see how she is in a month or a year from now.


Hey fish, did not know what is was and looked it up, man you got one dog there.. African Lion Dog .. wow.. :lol::lol:

Ya going teacher her to fish? Man.. what do you feed her.. and how much.. and who gets dog duty.. boy oh boy, what a good looking animal, in the pictures off the net...

fishabductor - 7-21-2010 at 01:47 PM

In the middle of the night, I go prepared. However in the day it would be different.

bajaguy - 7-21-2010 at 01:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by fishabductor

I disagree because to do that...we'd have to assume everyone is out to get us........ Ans act accordingly to not be caught off guard.





Exactly.......be prepared, have situational awareness and DO NOT be caught off guard..........don't be a sheep.

wessongroup - 7-21-2010 at 01:53 PM

Must agree with bajaguy... and just love it when you talk like that.. "situational awareness" .. No disrespect, meant nor intended.. :):)

fishabductor - 7-21-2010 at 01:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by wessongroup

Hey fish, did not know what is was and looked it up, man you got one dog there.. African Lion Dog .. wow.. :lol::lol:

Ya going teacher her to fish? Man.. what do you feed her.. and how much.. and who gets dog duty.. boy oh boy, what a good looking animal, in the pictures off the net...


They are very impressive animals and fearless. This dog is one step below attack on command. We are considering this next level of training, we will keep her here for a few months so she can bond more before taking this step.

She is face height when she stands on her back feet.

She is trained to pick up on bad guys?? and to act accordingly. And the best part is she follows me around everywhere and sleeps by my feet. Getting caught off guard with her around will be hard


[Edited on 7-21-2010 by fishabductor]

[Edited on 7-21-2010 by fishabductor]

wessongroup - 7-21-2010 at 01:55 PM

Some kind of animal.. wow.. amazing.. hunting lions !!!

Where did you get her?

fishabductor - 7-21-2010 at 01:58 PM

I found her on Craiglist BCS. The owners had her all trained up and then they moved to a location they couldn't keep her. She was a real score!!

ELINVESTIG8R - 7-21-2010 at 02:01 PM

Well stated Tony. Also remember to never give your trust to anyone when you first meet them. Be wary at all times. It's your first instinct that is usually correct. Act on that.

bajaguy - 7-21-2010 at 02:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by fishabductor
In the middle of the night, I go prepared. However in the day it would be different.





You should be prepared all of the time!!!!

fishabductor - 7-21-2010 at 02:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R
Well stated Tony. Also remember to never give your trust to anyone when you first meet them. Be wary at all times. It's your first instinct that is usually correct. Act on that.


I don't trust anyone for a long time...this is based on my mexican families advice. Who by the way couldn't get close to our home with "Daisy" the African Lion Hunter keeping watch. I got to do something about the name. or it may be a good element of surprise when I call "Daisy" everyone will think I got a girlie dog, until they see her. She also has different colored eyes. one is ice-blue, the other amber...Pretty spooky looking dog.

ELINVESTIG8R - 7-21-2010 at 02:19 PM

Fishabductor, Good Advise about the trust thingy. With respect to "Daisy" keep the name to lure them (Bad Person) into a false sense of security. Of course, that will only last as long as it takes for Daisy to pounce and bite their heads off. :lol:

noproblemo2 - 7-21-2010 at 02:22 PM

Think our next dog will be a big one, Shephard mix of some type or maybe a Lab that knows when to bark......

wessongroup - 7-21-2010 at 02:27 PM

Get one of these African Lion Dogs .. you can use it to tow your car... or RV..

Not sure about how the tail is on furniture.. just guessing.. but, think might have some dents.. if the little girl gets excited .... :):)

DENNIS - 7-21-2010 at 02:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by fishabductor
She is trained to pick up on bad guys?? and to act accordingly.



Dogs have incredible senses. It's for that reason, I believe, many Mexicans have problems with them. The dogs sense fear.
[I'm not talking about bad guys only]

fishabductor - 7-21-2010 at 02:33 PM

Here is a link on Youtube. a pair of Rhodesians protecting some property!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNwqPx50ihA&feature=relat...

here is another about the breed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZmY5i5T3_Q&feature=fvw

[Edited on 7-21-2010 by fishabductor]

Osprey - 7-21-2010 at 02:38 PM

I thought I heard something last night. I don't know what it was. It wasn't loud. It was something. I'm almost sure it was something. I'm going to listen for it again tonight. It was something. Sounded like something in the dark.

DENNIS - 7-21-2010 at 02:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Osprey
It was something. Sounded like something in the dark.



Was it one of those "Things?" Did it go "Bump?"

Osprey - 7-21-2010 at 02:48 PM

No, I don't think so. I don't know what to think, what to do. It was something, I know that.

DENNIS - 7-21-2010 at 02:54 PM

Maybe you should consider spending some time at your local Tanning Salon for .....uh......stress reduction.

fishabductor - 7-21-2010 at 02:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by wessongroup

Ya going teacher her to fish? Man.. what do you feed her.. and how much..
quote]

wesson...check this clip out about fishing...It is a Rhodesian going after a shark!![/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jkExrrm_sQ&feature=relat...

ELINVESTIG8R - 7-21-2010 at 03:18 PM

bajafreaks - 7-21-2010 at 03:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chnlisle
Sorry if that a picture offended some. It is in the local Mexican newspapers. Anyone reading one would see it. So, I guess you can just NOT read the news and remain in ignorant bliss.


I feel most people are NOT ignorant to the crime etc. in Mexico especially the folks on the Nomad, but why make it graphic ? as I said before, it's uncalled for.

noproblemo2 - 7-21-2010 at 03:56 PM

If one reads a newspaper, you would see it there so I see no problem with posting the obvious.

Bill Collector - 7-21-2010 at 04:02 PM

For us in Buena Vista/ Los Barriles we HAVE no Mexican paper.

noproblemo2 - 7-21-2010 at 04:03 PM

Well then I assume you have a computer and access to said news.

noproblemo2 - 7-21-2010 at 04:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by drarroyo
Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
The photo is graphic...for sure, but the victims of this thread were close to an identical outcome.
Sometimes people need to be shocked into a full understanding of a matter and words alone will never illustrate the point as that photo does.
It may be vile, but it's everybody's reality. It's what we have to guard against.


complete & utter nonsense. again.
haveanotherdrink

Sorry, but I side with Dennis on this one, we do tend to get too complacent in life and a wake up call now and again is sometimes needed.

monoloco - 7-21-2010 at 05:08 PM

Maybe we should have a poll to see how many Nomads have actually been victims of violence in Mexico. I suspect that it would be a very small percentage.
In 30 years I have never been threatened by anyone, and I only know 2 or 3 people who have, so I don't spend a lot of time dwelling on it. Your chances of dying on the highway are much higher.

fishabductor - 7-21-2010 at 06:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by monoloco
Maybe we should have a poll to see how many Nomads have actually been victims of violence in Mexico. I suspect that it would be a very small percentage.
In 30 years I have never been threatened by anyone, and I only know 2 or 3 people who have, so I don't spend a lot of time dwelling on it. Your chances of dying on the highway are much higher.


I agree to an extent, but I wear a seatbelt in the car to be prepared in the case of an event. I do the same at home, by being prepared in the case I have an "event". I am prepared with dogs and weapons.

I do the same in the states...

Hope for the best, plan for the worse!!!

Baja&Back - 7-21-2010 at 09:20 PM

Want an effective weapon for up to 20 feet?

Try Raid Wasp & Hornet bomb.
Get 'em in the face & they are gone to the hospital.
Almost as good as a pistol @ 20' and non-lethal.
Legal to possess EVERYWHERE!

Recommended to me by a Highway Patrolman. Always have it by the door of my RV.

Hope this helps!

wilderone - 7-22-2010 at 07:59 AM

http://cgi.ebay.com/Lot-2-UDAP-Pepper-Power-Bear-Spray-w-Hol...

DENNIS - 7-22-2010 at 08:23 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by wilderone
http://cgi.ebay.com/Lot-2-UDAP-Pepper-Power-Bear-Spray-w-Hol...


WOW....Good stuff.
Ya know....I just don't get it. A lot of folks down here, or anywhere, will see the problem, but they don't fully comprehend their vulnerability to crime and mayhem. So, they do nothing and when products like this are legal and readily available, they ignore them.
Every person down here should have a few of these around the house, in their car and know exactly how to use them, but they don't.
I don't understand.

Osprey - 7-22-2010 at 08:41 AM

Some of us don't want them, don't want to use them, are not afraid to live without them, don't want you or others to tell us how to live. There's lots of things you don't understand Dennis.

DanO - 7-22-2010 at 09:00 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Osprey
I thought I heard something last night. I don't know what it was. It wasn't loud. It was something. I'm almost sure it was something. I'm going to listen for it again tonight. It was something. Sounded like something in the dark.


George, it was probably just a rumpus. Possibly a wild rumpus.

toneart - 7-22-2010 at 09:14 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Baja&Back
Want an effective weapon for up to 20 feet?

Try Raid Wasp & Hornet bomb.
Get 'em in the face & they are gone to the hospital.
Almost as good as a pistol @ 20' and non-lethal.
Legal to possess EVERYWHERE!

Recommended to me by a Highway Patrolman. Always have it by the door of my RV.

Hope this helps!


Is this the same as the Wasp and Hornet spray? I have several, one of which I have carried in my truck for years. It doesn't say the word "bomb" on the can.

If the "Bomb" is different, do you activate it the same as the spray (by pushing the button at the top of the can)? If it is different, is it easy to find at hardware stores, on the same shelf as the spray? I don't recall ever seeing it.

wessongroup - 7-22-2010 at 09:23 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Osprey
I thought I heard something last night. I don't know what it was. It wasn't loud. It was something. I'm almost sure it was something. I'm going to listen for it again tonight. It was something. Sounded like something in the dark.


Can only mean one thing.... you did not drink enough... :lol::lol:

Just kidding of course.. stay safe..

fishabductor - 7-22-2010 at 09:23 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by wilderone
http://cgi.ebay.com/Lot-2-UDAP-Pepper-Power-Bear-Spray-w-Hol...


I met the guy, marc I believe who owns this company. he lives in Bozeman, Mt. He was attacked by a grizzly and had his skull cracked. His hunting partner had a can of regular mace and sprayed the grizzly with it. the bear knocked both of them around several times before getting a good shot in the face. They were bowhunting and that is the reason they didn't shot the bear in defense. His hunting partner also happened to be a plastic surgeon. so they worked on marc's face immediately upon returning to town. he could stick hos tongue through his cheek.


I also have had several cans of this stuff all of which is UDAP enterpises..

DO NOT USE THIS INDOORS, OR YOU WILL BE DISABLED AS WELL AS THE TARGET. This is very bad stuff, be sure which way the wind is blowing as well.

ELINVESTIG8R - 7-22-2010 at 09:26 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by wilderone
http://cgi.ebay.com/Lot-2-UDAP-Pepper-Power-Bear-Spray-w-Hol...


Woo Hoo What stuff this is! I will be ordering it, that's for sure. Thanks for the link!

NOTE: If person(s) in here do not like what is said they can ignore it. I for one like staying informed. Keep the information highway open.

wessongroup - 7-22-2010 at 09:30 AM

Any LE ... have any comments and/or stories about indoor use... :saint::saint:

fishabductor - 7-22-2010 at 09:32 AM

be advised that bear spray is illegal in many states and MX

But I have a couple cans here. You will need to drive it down as the airlines will confiscate it. I have lost 2 cans that way in the past. At $40/can

See the UDAP homepage for more info...
http://www.udap.com/

There is a Photo of Marc on the homepage. I met him a week after his ordeal .

fishabductor - 7-22-2010 at 09:37 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by wessongroup
Any LE ... have any comments and/or stories about indoor use... :saint::saint:


This stuff is 2x as powerful and shoots a hell of a lot more spray than what LE's use. This is like comparing a bb gun to a 12ga shotgun. This has 10% capisum, the cops stuff is under 5%.

When I lived in MT we sold this brand UPAD at the backpacking shop I worked at, we had a customer accidently shoot one off in the store. we had to close the store down for close to a week to air out. I breathed a little in on my way out the door, and my eyes and throat were killing me for several hrs.

This is intense stuff

DENNIS - 7-22-2010 at 10:14 AM

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Originally posted by Osprey
Some of us don't want them, don't want to use them, are not afraid to live without them, don't want you or others to tell us how to live. There's lots of things you don't understand Dennis.


Gee Whizzzz.........Grumpy today, Jorge. I don't care how you live....or die. I have important things like the weather to worry about.

Osprey - 7-22-2010 at 11:06 AM

[Edited on 7-23-2010 by Osprey]

DENNIS - 7-22-2010 at 01:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Osprey
Dear Bob,


Cole



The Younger Brothers share a thought.

Barry A. - 7-22-2010 at 01:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by Osprey
Dear Bob,


Cole



The Younger Brothers share a thought.


:lol::lol::lol::lol: Jeeeezo, next we will hear from Quantrill!!!!

Barry

[Edited on 7-22-2010 by Barry A.]

Bajatripper - 7-23-2010 at 11:27 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bill Collector
For us in Buena Vista/ Los Barriles we HAVE no Mexican paper.


They don't deliver the Sudcaliforniano there?

fishabductor - 7-24-2010 at 11:21 AM

any other happenings in BV, LR or LB?

Hopefully this will be a quiet weekend!!!
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