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Pompano - 9-13-2010 at 08:22 AM

I am afraid I will have to agree with Skeet on that subject.

My father, my brothers, my uncles and most of the working men of my childhood were ..and are..Masons. I march to my own beat, and I can gaurantee my father and brothers are neither dark nor secret. All of them are 32nd degree Masons..as high as most can go in this 'dark society'...sheesh.

I just took this photo of our old Masonic Temple while visiting my home area..my roots... last week. Seems to be timely for posting on this subject. Maybe it was meant to be..kind of prophetic, no?

Our 'secret lodge' is on Main Street...

...and the 'darkest' memories I have of that place were the sometimes over-cooked sausages my Uncle would make for all the free pancake breakfasts served for the community.

I think most of the dark stuff took place down the street at the Satan Temple. :rolleyes:

Seriously, I don't think most people have the correct idea of just what these organizations do for all people..regardless of where or who they are. Shriners anybody? Contributions to cancer, TB, AIDS, and the list goes on and on.

But then, we are all entitled to an opinion and I certainly respect yours...

...too.

[Edited on 9-13-2010 by Pompano]

gnukid - 9-13-2010 at 09:32 AM

FreeMasons have many levels of degrees, at lower public levels people do much good, however throughout and at higher levels there is a far different agenda. Most FreeMasons never go beyond the initial degrees. One can simply read the writings of FreeMasons to better understand, or better consider their actions, one example is Albert Pike who is among the most revered Mason whose statue now stands in Washington DC. Pike was the creator and leader of the KKK, KKK ritual designer, Arkansas Ku Klux Klan Grand Dragon and was a master of the technique, "divert the discourse" which is cornerstone to organized FreeMasonry as is "the Big Lie". FreeMasons have continued to develop "reactionary Politics" with unwavering focus, this gaming method is obvious throughout politics and controlled main stream media today.

Giuseppe Mazzani was another famous Mason and close associate of Pike, Mazzani was also the founder of the Italian Mafia.

You may read Albert Pike's works which describe the well known degrees 1-32 of Scottish Rites, however there are many more levels that few Masons would know about, including the group of Seven, The illuminati, etc...

FreeMasonry is primarily an oral tradition, however one can look at the history of it's participants to know them best. You really can not have it both ways, they are good but a few leaders are bad...

There is no reason for anyone not to get to know the history of the USA better by knowing the participants and the politics of FreeMasons.

[Edited on 9-13-2010 by gnukid]

Pompano - 9-13-2010 at 09:51 AM

gnukid...I speak from my own experience.

As a avid student of 'actual' history, I mistrust almost all history books. They have agendas.

Out.

Skeet/Loreto - 9-13-2010 at 09:51 AM

Gnukid:

It does appear that you as others have fallen to the Falsehoods spouted on Goggle!

Just for Educational Purposes How many Masons do you know personally?? Are any of them DOPERS?

You named Albert Pike, now How many ex presidents of The States can you name as Masons??

How many ex Presidents of Mexico can you name that were Masons??

Have you ever heard of Pancho Villa, E. Zapata??

Do you know who started and finished the Mexican Revolution?

I have been to the Catacombs in Rome, set in the Cave where Freemasons had to Hide and have their Meetings

You just do not know what you are Spouting. about Masonry.

Now will you please tell us some Great People who are DOPERS????????.

Bajatripper - 9-13-2010 at 09:57 AM

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Originally posted by vgabndo
Skeet referring to this site:

"It is getting to where it is controlled by a Bunch of Norte DOPERS."

It seems, Skeet, that the above is your main reason for wanting to start your own BCS discussion board. I encourage you to do so. If you do, be aware that it is likely to be populated by a bunch of dopers because ALCOHOL is dope. Just because it is the kind of dope of which you approve does not make it any less "dope" than any other mind altering chemical depressant.

It has been my observation that people on this board, when discussing dope in its various forms, have been referring to a preference for alcohol or cannibis. I don't remember a single instance of someone defending the use of methamphetemins, cocaine, heroin, or any other substance which might be described as hard dope. (narcotics)

I invite you to read through the voluminous Nomads threads which have compared the social costs of alcohol and cannibis in our culture. You are a member of a small minority who continue to try to force your narrow-minded views on everyone else. It makes it impossible to resist calling you out as a besotted hoarmonger; the latter which you have admitted, and the former which is often painfully obvious.
Throwing in being an evangelist and a member of a dark secret society further refines your minority status.

Please don't blame us if YOU don't fit-in.

Well said, Vagabond. No personal attacks, just the facts. Bravo.

Skeet/Loreto - 9-13-2010 at 10:14 AM

Tripper:
Can you read Vags Post and tell me "Why did he bring up Alcohol::??

We all know that over drinking of Alcohol is bad and causes many Deaths.

Now Think about it Tripper, Does Alcohol cause so many Deaths and fill our Prisons??

Vag uses it in his Post to Justify the use of DOPE !!! Cannot you figure that out!

gnukid - 9-13-2010 at 10:37 AM

If Albert Pike is among the architects of FreeMasonry, yet even by his own words we should distrust his writings, in Morals and Dogmas of the Scottish Rites then what does that say about FreeMasonry except that it is designed with a great understanding of human psychology, politics and economies to organize, manipulate, disguise and divert society.

As students of society, we Nomads have a fine example in the posts by Skeet who exemplifies the modes of FreeMasons it seems, taking a step back, read his posts, and you can see a pattern which attracts attention and distract from a goal, such as in this case a posters desire for greater organized community, or previously a posters effort for greater organized community effort to warn against corruption.

For me at least, Skeet provides insight into the methods for Masonry in modern society, while he may have 'heart" and feel "well intended," his actions belie his training which provides an excellent lesson for us.

In any case, as friends we can use this opportunity to consider reading about the history of NorthAmerica, the current state of NorthAmerica and the proposed changes for NorthAmerica, not that we are powerful enough to cause or direct societal change, at least some of us may consider our path from the UnitedKingdom(s) to our role on the world's stage today.

As a snapshot this thread is quite revealing, with a little more homework we may know ourselves and how history, our founders and influence even better.

It would be awesome to hear some contributions from those who are doing research into our history and influence on the Californias and BCS!

Bajatripper - 9-13-2010 at 10:44 AM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
In Mexico alone in the Past year or so there has been over 6,000 Killing due to DOPE!

In the United States of America the Largest number of Criminals in Prisons are from DOPE related Crimes.

Everyday many Men. Women, and Chidren are being killed by DOPERS Driving Cars.

Our Hospitals are crowded each night and Day by DOPE related Injuries!

I am very Happy that I do not FIT in with Your Crowd Vag.

Keep it up, just think you may Kill someones Child someday!

Skeeterman, the killings that you refer to had their parallels during Prohibition. You're old enough to remember that, aren't you? The problem isn't the DOPE, dear child, it is that people in government--strickly for political reasons--thought it expedient to outlaw it (a good summary of this can be found in "The Emperor Wears No Clothes," should you care to enlighten yourself). Once it has been outlawed, the price goes through the roof, which invites organized crime to get involved. Cause and effect. Quite simple, really.
Those killings you refer to would quickly go away if pot were legalized in our nation, much as they did once Prohibition was lifted. And we wouldn't need to build more prisons. In fact, we could start closing many of them down, saving taxpayer money. And we'd pretty much solve our current economic crunch with the taxes that all those dirty little dopers would gladly pay for their drug of choice.
Of course, we'd have to regulate its use, just as we do with alcohol--so please, no "you want our kids to be driving under the influence, etc. etc." which is always the standard comeback to this concept.

And how convenient of you to disregard all of the alcohol-related casualties that are in our hospitals. Here's a clue for you: dopers don't usually think they are Mario Andretti re-incarnated--that would be the alcohol consumers that get that mentality behind the wheel. My ex is an ER Nurse, she sees them all as they come in. I can assure you that alcohol is far more detrimental than pot when it comes to social costs. How do we know? They screen them for drugs and alcohol. But this will surely be over your head. Narrowmindedness is such a terrible disease.

Weighing in on the original idea behind this thread: I don't think a BCS site is necessary. I enjoy the input from all of our brothers and sisters on the board. There's a vast wealth of experience that is present here, and I wouldn't want to eliminate any of it--not even your contentious postings, my Man. As Bajalera says about books on Baja--even the worse have their little golden nuggets, you just have to find them. I find nuggets in your posting all of the time. I just have a little fun with the BS, hope you don't take it too personal.

Take care of yourself, Old Man, for we would surely miss you if you didn't.

[Edited on 9-13-2010 by Bajatripper]

Skeet/Loreto - 9-13-2010 at 10:49 AM

Prop[osed changes in North America???Challenge Gnukid!!!!

I challenge you to give us the direction and Propsals you have in Mind.

Do they include DOPE being Legal?

Do they copy the Socialist Agenda?

Comon now Gnukid. Let us know the Great Changes you and your Group have for this Great United States of America.

Bajatripper - 9-13-2010 at 11:02 AM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Tripper:

Now Think about it Tripper, Does Alcohol cause so many Deaths and fill our Prisons??

Vag uses it in his Post to Justify the use of DOPE !!! Cannot you figure that out!

Yes! Yes! Yes! Alcohol most assuredly causes many more deaths than pot smoking. And the reason more alcoholics aren't in jail is because of the tolerance that our system has shown alcoholics over the years. My stepfather was one of them, I could give you many examples of times he should have been sent to prison, but wasn't. Why? Because of the tolerance that is built into the system, a tolerance that you so eloquently demonstrate for us with your every post.
Just to be clear: I am among those who see absolutely NO reason for the illegalization of pot. None. The general trend in society is moving towards that, or haven't you noticed? Unfortunately, there are too many people with your mentality who are in positions of power and are slowing the natural process down. But it will be legalized eventually, be assured. In fact, California is trying to get it on the ballot for this coming election (or, perhaps has already succeeded). And I'm not talking about "medical use" etc. As I understood it, they want to legalize its use among the general population. So, as I see it, you can get use the idea, or die so you never have to see the day when dopers are free to smoke much like you are able to drink your drug. What's it going to be?

Skeet/Loreto - 9-13-2010 at 11:08 AM

Pompano--Beautiful Lodge!

Now let us get back to TRUTH.

I never indicated that I would start a Website, I suggested someone with the know How to Start one about Baja Sur. And it my reading is still good there are several people interested.

If you go back and look at some of the "Old" Posters you can see that they are no longer interested in the direction the Nomads is taking. They would like to see a Website which is more about Baja Sur than some ones off ball Politics about TJ.

Folks in Baja Sur are generally different, more like Country Folks and have other Interests.

It is my wish that someone will start a Baja Sur Website and keep it Poistive and Interesting.

Good Luck Whoever you may be.

DENNIS - 9-13-2010 at 11:18 AM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Now will you please tell us some Great People who are DOPERS????????.

Here ya go, Skeeter. A new hobby for you:

http://www.gonzo.org/articles/other/dopefiend.html

Bajatripper - 9-13-2010 at 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Gnukid:

Now will you please tell us some Great People who are DOPERS????????.

While I can't say that they were "DOPERS," I can say that both George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were hemp farmers. And who knows what they did with their choice buds during their moments of relaxation? The reason we don't know of any modern-day users is because it is illegal to use, of course. Otherwise, I'm sure the list would really shock you. I mean, would you accept that from George W. Bush?

Excerpts from The Emperor Wears No Clothes:
"In 1619, America's first marijuana law was enacted at Jamestown Colony, Virginia, ordering all farmers to make tryal of Indian hemp seed. More mandatory hemp cultivation laws were enacted (on other colonies in the following years).
Cannabis hemp was legal tender in most of the Americas from 1631 until the early 1800s. Why? To encourage American farmers to grow more. You could pay your taxes with cannabis hemp throughout America for over 200 years.
You could even be jailed in America for not growing cannabis during several periods of shortage.
The U.S. Census of 1850 counted 8,327 hemp plantations (minimum 2,000 acre farms) growing cannabis hemp for (assorted reasons)." This figure excludes farms that were under the minimum acreage required to be included in the Census.

So, you see, Skeet, as inconvenient a fact as it is, hemp production has been a long and honored tradition in our nation's history. It only became "something bad" during your lifetime (a coincidence?). It was outlawed in the 1930s--not because of concerns for health issues, but rather, as a means of justifying the deportation of Mexican farm workers--many of whom used the legal drug at the time. Getting rid of the Mexicans made their jobs available to desperate Americans, who suddenly found farm work OK when all other sources of income were no longer available.

You can argue all you want that such commercial applications didn't necessarily mean that people were using it for recreational purposes. I would argue that such logic goes against human nature--something I've studied at the doctoral level.

[Edited on 9-13-2010 by Bajatripper]

Skeet/Loreto - 9-13-2010 at 12:20 PM

Oh ! Tripper your are so full of It.!! Your "Doctoral Studies are Flawed'!!

1930 was in the beginning of the Great Depression. The Farm workers Jobs you are trying to associate with "Hemp" was because of the "Dust Bowl""

Like Pompano said' History Books are not to be trusted.

But you could sure learn something about True life in the 30,s if you were born and rasied on a Dirt Farm in Texas.

Did you go to Berkerly???

Of course

Dave - 9-13-2010 at 12:28 PM

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Originally posted by Bajatripper
I would argue that such logic goes against human nature--something I've studied at the doctoral level.

Probably with a government grant...At Berkeley, no doubt.

Skeet and I just lost all respect for you.

Ken Bondy - 9-13-2010 at 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Now will you please tell us some Great People who are DOPERS????????.

Bill Maher?

Bajatripper - 9-13-2010 at 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Oh ! Tripper your are so full of It.!! Your "Doctoral Studies are Flawed'!!

1930 was in the beginning of the Great Depression. The Farm workers Jobs you are trying to associate with "Hemp" was because of the "Dust Bowl""

Like Pompano said' History Books are not to be trusted.

But you could sure learn something about True life in the 30,s if you were born and rasied on a Dirt Farm in Texas.

Did you go to Berkerly???

Aaahhh, Skeeterman, my man. I see your logic chip has been overloaded again and you are resorting to your usual defense mechanism when that happens.

"And when was hemp (marijuana) outlawed in the United States?" an inquiring mind might have asked. For practical purposes, it was effectively outlawed by legislation passed during 1935-1937. Here's a snapshot of events as they pertain only to this subject: Dust Bowl=lots of displaced farmers, who migrate to California and other agricultural regions not affected by it. But these places are already fully manned up by--yes, those undesirable Mexicans who were taking jobs away from Americans. And on and on till we come up with the legislation needed to get rid of them.

But you need not worry about that. This information is found in those darnfangled history books. We can only know the history we lived. What was I thinking?

This is where I check out of our conversations. I try to live by that old saying, "Never argue with an idiot..."

[Edited on 9-16-2010 by Bajatripper]

DENNIS - 9-13-2010 at 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bajatripper
We can only know the history we lived.

In which case, we only know the history we remember.
The library is shrinking day by day.

gnukid - 9-13-2010 at 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pompano
gnukid...I speak from my own experience.

As a avid student of 'actual' history, I mistrust almost all history books. They have agendas.

Out.

Skepticism of history books is an excellent starting position, however there does exist a thing we can call the true history and it is possible to read various sources, gather evidence backed by witness and material and with a comparative view you can decide for yourself what occurred.

On the hand, you can throw your hands up and say we can know nothing at all for certain is another position. Between these two likely is the closest we can come to the truth.

It's interesting to me how often I meet both young and old who refuse to read or consider any view other than what is repeated most often on their local TV, on the other hand certainly youthful wonder and wisdom of ages seems to provide desire for facts, interest in the world.

There are two main historical theories, the one where we just fumble along and everyone is basically an idiot making mistakes to arrive where we are, and the other theory that history is the result of actions organized by those with the most ability to cause action, generally for their own profit and benefit.

To that end, one needn't shy away in any case from considering history and certainly one should resist the urge to ignore what you know.

What strikes me most about the Skeetisms, is that his writing takes the form, he follows a logic which if described would be: draw attention, attack with vague statements, change the subject often, create straw-men and demand people to defend those and then change the subject again, attack-withdraw. This appears to be a very successful political gaming strategy when dealing with an easily distracted audience who have no historrical perspective. In the back of my mind, I am thinking there are some really well educated, thoughtful and educated people here who must know a great deal about BF Skinner's gaming strategy, the politics of FreeMasonry, groupthink and history of the monarchical social influence on society.

We seem to be at a critical juncture in time, which requires some independent and critical thought? I defer to the experts.

[Edited on 9-13-2010 by gnukid]

Skeet/Loreto - 9-13-2010 at 12:53 PM

Ok Tripper I too will bow out for the same reasons.

Bajatripper - 9-13-2010 at 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gnukid

Quote:

Originally posted by Pompano
gnukid...I speak from my own experience.

As a avid student of 'actual' history, I mistrust almost all history books. They have agendas.

Out.

Skepticism of history books is an excellent starting position, however there does exist a thing we can call the true history and it is possible to read various sources, gather evidence backed by witness and material and with a comparative view you can decide for yourself what occurred.

On the hand, you can throw your hands up and say we can know nothing at all for certain is another position. Between these tow likely is the closet we can come to the truth.

It's interesting to me how often I meet both young and old who refuse to read or consider any view other than what is repeated most often on their local TV, on the other hand certainly youthful wonder and wisdom of ages seems to provide desire for facts, interest in the world.

There are two main historical theories, the one where we just fumble along and everyone is basically an idiot making mistakes to arrive where we are, and the other theory that history is the result of actions organized by those with the most ability to cause action, generally for their own profit and benefit.

To that end, one needn't shy away in any case from considering history and certainly one should resist the urge to ignore what you know.

What strikes me most about the Skeetisms, is that his writing takes the form, he follows a logic which if described would be: draw attention, attack with vague statements, change the subject often, create straw-men and demand people to defend those and then change the subject again, attack-withdraw. This appears to be a very successful political gaming strategy when dealing with an easily distracted audience who have no historrical perspective. In the back of my mind, I am thinking there are some really well educated, thoughtful and educated people here who must know a great deal about BF Skinner's gaming strategy, the politics of FreeMasonry, groupthink and history of the monarchical social influence on society.

We seem to be at a critical juncture in time, which requires some independent and critical thought? I defer to the experts.

Gnu
I'm starting to worry a little bit about you. You take this stuff--and Skeet--much too seriously. But, God help me, I do enjoy your analysis. Keep that voice of reason coming.

Bajatripper - 9-13-2010 at 01:26 PM

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Originally posted by Dave

Probably with a government grant...At Berkeley, no doubt.

Skeet and I just lost all respect for you.

Does the GI Bill count as a government grant? And no, it wasn't Berkeley. I only qualed for third-tiered institutions, so I can't wear that "liberal elite" moniker with any sort of pride. That, of course, means that "respect" plays no part in my makeup, so it was never there to lose. Must have been something else you lost, but I won't tell :lol:

gnukid - 9-13-2010 at 01:37 PM

Consider that if we were organized, not so distracted and wasteful, we would be able to have anti-magnetic rail lines up and down the country enabling high speed low emission trains, we could explore far reaches of the galaxy and the ocean, we could achieve various energy systems beyond coal and oil, we could achieve improved infrastructure of water systems, effectively bringing water from the ice caps to deserts and we could reduce the waster and greed of central banking fraud and monetary manipulation in order to allow individuals to own their labor, receive benefits from the labor and end the vast monopoly of Monarchies and the waste of the Military Industrial complex, secrecy within governments would not be tolerated and we could live free and prosper without the burdensome waste and taxation of government.

[Edited on 9-13-2010 by gnukid]

gnukid - 9-13-2010 at 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bajatripper

Gnu
I'm starting to worry a little bit about you. You take this stuff--and Skeet--much too seriously. But, God help me, I do enjoy your analysis. Keep that voice of reason coming.

What strikes me is how many do not take these things seriously? How many say, the wars are not important, Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini are irrelevent, neither the church, nor human psychology. How is it possible that you could be an adult and end up with the position that you are mad at Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin but you have no concern over Crown of the United Kingdom, nor the fact that every US president has been demonstrated to be closely related and most claim association with FreeMasonry and those who were not were murdered quickly.

Yet you have smart people like DK, Capt Mike, Mr Bill, Skeet, etc... certain that to consider anything besides last nights fox news isn't worth their time?

What would be so bad about asking a few questions about who we are? Where we came from? Where are we going? Who are the players? What is human psychology? Is life so boring that we can not even ask the most basic questions, about patterns in speech, music, the stars and how these affect society?

As you can see, I have high expectations for fire night chats with Nomads.

mtgoat666 - 9-13-2010 at 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gnukid
Consider that if we were organized, not so distracted and wasteful, we would be able to have anti-magnetic rail lines up and down the country enabling high speed low emission trains, we could explore far reaches of the galaxy and the ocean, we could achieve various energy systems beyond coal and oil, we could achieve improved infrastructure of water systems, effectively bringing water from the ice caps to deserts and we could reduce the waster and greed of central banking fraud and monetary manipulation in order to allow individuals to own their labor, receive benefits from the labor and end the vast monopoly of Monarchies and the waste of the Military Industrial complex, secrecy within governments would not be tolerated and we could live free and prosper with the burdensome waste and taxation of government.

my utopian commune will have all that, plus legal marijuana, unrepressed sexuality and organic food :lol:

motto: "live long and prosper, if it feels good do it, no whiners allowed, and that golden rule thing."

[Edited on 9-13-2010 by mtgoat666]

mtgoat666 - 9-13-2010 at 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
History Books are not to be trusted.

But you could sure learn something about True life in the 30,s if you were born and rasied on a Dirt Farm in Texas.

skeet:
your texas-dirt-farmer-world-view is just another book not to be trusted. why should we trust your opinion over another? we should trust your opinion more on basis of your crap posted here?

wessongroup - 9-13-2010 at 02:06 PM

Must say, some interesting thinking..... thanks...

Cypress - 9-13-2010 at 02:11 PM

Pompano and Skeet/Loreto are right about those history books? They're written by journalists with agendas and based on information provided by people with agendas. That ought to tell you something.

gnukid - 9-13-2010 at 02:29 PM

This explains everything

Why bother?

Dave - 9-13-2010 at 02:51 PM

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If we could plug into your various bodily orifices, we could power the entire universe. :rolleyes:

Skeet/Loreto - 9-13-2010 at 02:53 PM

Goat, you don.t seem to understand there is a Difference in Experience and Opinion.

When you walk a Mile and a Half to a little Country School house for 6 years during the 30,s you Experience Cold, Heat, Rattlesnakes, Fights etc. Not like it is today as a Kid with your Mother driving you to School each Day, if you cut your Finger they call a Counslar, you cannot get your Butt Spanked because you aere a "Bad: Kid.

Experience vs Opinion

Being a Hobo for about two years i learned about being Hungrey, Cold, Lonely, Scared, Also learned how to survive.

Experienced the Korean War-

What I am trying to get across to you as some of the socalled History books are the Wrtiers way to put across his Own Opinion Not Factual I.e Ward Churchill,

By the way, I have not seen or heard any Fox News lately. I do try to read several Newspapers that seem to be a little closer to the Truth than the New York Times,

I try to make up my opinions based on my Experiences in Life, not someonelse.s Opinions.

I do know that DOPE causes lots of Deaths.

What is so said is its use among the Young.

wessongroup - 9-13-2010 at 03:20 PM

Everyone's shoes are their own... each must walk life their own shoes .. some have it easy some ... have it very, very hard....

It does make a difference in one's view about life...

Skeet's comes from a life of different experience, which he walked in his shoes, he did not read about any of it... he lived it, ... my father came from a similar back ground.. he however became a Union man... and a fighter for the under dog..

Remember him taking on the Board of Supervisors in Downey California over the removal of the book Tarzan, cuz they weren't married.. he also fought to allow the Black Panthers to have their display in the Library, the same as the John Birch society...

Guess that is where I get my, you can do what ever you want to your body, if it is on your own property and does not hurt anyone else... one should have the "right" to control their own body... think that was what Roe v Wade was about... Government, and/or anyone else... don't come onto my property and tell me how and what to do... if it only hurts ME... and I will pay my own way if I get sick from doing things to my body.. if it get really bad.. will get a "bag" and do myself in... but, then that's just me... and apparently there are a lot of folks that disagree with that approach... now why should I listen .... if it affects only me... I'm not getting into my Bronco, driving after having a few, and I don't shoot up, so can't do that either.. so the only threat I am ... is to myself, as we most are....

As for Skeets ... he has the right to say what ever he damn well pleases.. if you don't like it... pound sand... I don't agree with everything he says.. but, I sure in hell don't think he is doing anything but trying to help in his own way...

Buy the way... thanks for your service in Korea War ... and letting us know about your life experiences, as I for one enjoy your input.. cuz, that is what it's all about...

Take easy pard... don't want you taking a dirt nap over this stuff...

[Edited on 9-13-2010 by wessongroup]

Iflyfish - 9-13-2010 at 03:28 PM

gnukid,
Thanks for the YouTube post of my people! I nearly cried as I watched my long lost tribe engaged in secret Baja Rituals. It was my Kinta Kunte moment and I am so grateful for it. I knew there was a place for me in Baja! Thanks so much. Such carefree joy, they must be masons of the Oscar Wilde variety, the world needs more of them!!

Iflyfishwhennotengagedintequilaritualswithmywajokin

mtgoat666 - 9-13-2010 at 03:38 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
When you walk a Mile and a Half to a little Country School house for 6 years during the 30,s you Experience Cold, Heat, Rattlesnakes, Fights etc.

1.5 miles, that's nothing, you pussy.

I walked 2.5 miles to school, and some of those school days we smoked a joint on the way :lol:

Humor

toneart - 9-13-2010 at 03:39 PM

There are so many posts in this string that are really belly busters. I have wanted to put each one in a quote box and comment with these guys>>>>> :lol:

That would be overwhelming, however, because there are just too many of them. So much humor here...even the serious posts are funny! Keep this one going.
:bounce:

And Skeeters...you are priceless! :lol:

Skeet/Loreto - 9-13-2010 at 03:58 PM

Wessongroup: You say it very well!!

As we grow up and have different experiences in life we, some of us, develop a "Body of Morals" and I am not talking about Bible Stuff.

We learn to Judge our Friends, put up with the differences etc, I developed in not "Cheating, Lying Nor Stealing, I learned Brotherly Love, And Truth.

I wanted all of my Friends and fellow works to be Honest,Trustworthy, dependable.

Then along comes the 60.s with DOPE, If it Feels Good, Just Do it, no Respect for a neighbor or any one else, Protest etc. Including Kent State.

Then came the Generation of Blamers, avoiders of Decesions, Group Protest, Blaming the Southerns for the Blacks Failures, Cussing the Mexicans for their Ability to work the Fields, doing any thing to Blame others and avoiding their own Responsibility.

Then , here comes a fairly large Group that Blames and Hates anyone who is Rich, not even thinking about those Greedy people who want Bigger Cars, Bigger Homes, More Clothes, More Food, borrowing Money because Slick Willie talked the Govt. into supporting Them.

Now that groups want me , Poor old Skeet, who worked his Butt off for years, to give them One Half of my Earnings!!!!!!

It just does not make Sense to what I have Learned over the Years.

I think it will come down to the "Survival of the Fitest" and when it does I beleive I will Survive over the DOPERS!!!!

Bajatripper - 9-13-2010 at 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gnukid
As you can see, I have high expectations for fire night chats with Nomads.

Oh, well, then. I'm sure that David K's rock dance around the campfire while Chris plays his digeridoo stick would not disappoint you. :lol:

maspacifico - 9-13-2010 at 04:40 PM

I think part of the problem here is someone NEEDS to get a good gigglefit munchout.

wessongroup - 9-13-2010 at 06:45 PM

Say Skeets... there may be hope after all.. was shocked to find this on a "search" on Youth

Looks like there is after all HOPE... now what will I have to do... I can't b-tch about anything...

Here is the link, but... it a hard read due to the pages coloring, or at least it was for me..

[url="http://www.monocle.com/monocolumn/2010/03/25/youth-is-wasted-on-the-young/"]Monocolumn Youth is wasted on the young [Monocle][/url]

[SIZE="6"]Youth is wasted on the young[/SIZE]

March 25, 2010 — Tokyo Writer: Fiona Wilson

[SIZE="5"]Bad news for luxury retailers: young Japanese people don’t want to spend money anymore. At least that is the conclusion of a study published by the Nikkei Research Institute of Industry & Regional Economy.

Hoshigaranai Wakamonotachi (”Young People Who Don’t Want”) by researcher Taku Yamaoka is based on 10 years of research and interviews with young people which led him to conclude that, unlike their parents, young people don’t want brand-label goods, don’t drive, don’t play sport, don’t drink, don’t travel, don’t want serious relationships but do like to save and stay at home.

While their parents were busy shopping, playing golf and dedicating their working lives to one employer, young people prefer to grow their own vegetables, watch the seasons change and do volunteer work. If the previous generation was intent on modernising Japan at high speed, the next one prefers a slower pace with less consumption.
Yamaoka, whose study was published at the end of last year, is not alone. His work is one of a flurry of books and articles on the same subject. In Ken Shohi Sedai no Kenkyu (”Study of the anti-consumption generation”), Hisakazu Matsuda paints a similar picture: the children born in Japan’s high-spending bubble years are saving more and spending less. Job security is an issue but it’s not just about financial restraint – young people don’t have the appetite for conspicuous consumption. Even if they have the money they don’t want to buy expensive cars or oversized televisions. A recent edition of the weekly television show Close-Up Gendai was devoted to the subject, reiterating the same points about the frugality of the twenty-something generation.
 Spend any time here and you realise that the habits, fads and fashions of the country’s youth are scrutinised by the media with an almost anthropological curiosity. Never more so than now when the economy is fragile and people are looking to divine some hint of what the future holds for Japan. From the rise of NEETs [Not in employment, education or training] to the phenomenon of “herbivorous” men who prefer eating cake and hanging out with their mothers to long-term relationships, this forensic analysis of the younger generation frequently draws its own conclusions, the underlying point apparently being that young people don’t have the motivation or the stamina of their parents.
 Sociology professor Masahiro Yamada agrees that there’s a generational shift. “There’s no upward mobility now,” he says. “The parents of these young people weren’t rich – they wanted to be middle class and buy brand name goods. Nowadays those people have earned a good life and their children don’t want for anything.”
Professor Yamada – who coined the infamous phrase “Parasite Single” to describe the legions of unmarried women who live at home with their parents – sees the new thriftiness as part of a bigger trend: the increasing conservatism of Japanese youth. Burdened with anxiety about money and jobs, young people are looking for stability. So they squirrel away their money and become increasingly risk averse.
“They prefer safety to challenges,” he says. “Consumption could be risky so they don’t buy anything. If they go abroad for a year they might not get a job when they come back. They enjoy a modest life and don’t stretch themselves.” For Yamada this passivity cuts to the heart of Japan’s future as a creative force. “It’s critical,” he says. “Young Japanese are so docile – if they don’t rebel how will anything new be born?”
Fiona Wilson is Monocle’s Asia Bureau Chief
Bad news for luxury retailers: young Japanese people don’t want to spend money anymore. At least that is the conclusion of a study published by the Nikkei Research Institute of Industry & Regional Economy.
Hoshigaranai Wakamonotachi (”Young People Who Don’t Want”) by researcher Taku Yamaoka is based on 10 years of research and interviews with young people which led him to conclude that, unlike their parents, young people don’t want brand-label goods, don’t drive, don’t play sport, don’t drink, don’t travel, don’t want serious relationships but do like to save and stay at home.
While their parents were busy shopping, playing golf and dedicating their working lives to one employer, young people prefer to grow their own vegetables, watch the seasons change and do volunteer work. If the previous generation was intent on modernising Japan at high speed, the next one prefers a slower pace with less consumption.
Yamaoka, whose study was published at the end of last year, is not alone. His work is one of a flurry of books and articles on the same subject. In Ken Shohi Sedai no Kenkyu (”Study of the anti-consumption generation”), Hisakazu Matsuda paints a similar picture: the children born in Japan’s high-spending bubble years are saving more and spending less. Job security is an issue but it’s not just about financial restraint – young people don’t have the appetite for conspicuous consumption. Even if they have the money they don’t want to buy expensive cars or oversized televisions. A recent edition of the weekly television show Close-Up Gendai was devoted to the subject, reiterating the same points about the frugality of the twenty-something generation.
Spend any time here and you realise that the habits, fads and fashions of the country’s youth are scrutinised by the media with an almost anthropological curiosity. Never more so than now when the economy is fragile and people are looking to divine some hint of what the future holds for Japan. From the rise of NEETs [Not in employment, education or training] to the phenomenon of “herbivorous” men who prefer eating cake and hanging out with their mothers to long-term relationships, this forensic analysis of the younger generation frequently draws its own conclusions, the underlying point apparently being that young people don’t have the motivation or the stamina of their parents.
Sociology professor Masahiro Yamada agrees that there’s a generational shift. “There’s no upward mobility now,” he says. “The parents of these young people weren’t rich – they wanted to be middle class and buy brand name goods. Nowadays those people have earned a good life and their children don’t want for anything.”
Professor Yamada – who coined the infamous phrase “Parasite Single” to describe the legions of unmarried women who live at home with their parents – sees the new thriftiness as part of a bigger trend: the increasing conservatism of Japanese youth. Burdened with anxiety about money and jobs, young people are looking for stability. So they squirrel away their money and become increasingly risk averse.
“They prefer safety to challenges,” he says. “Consumption could be risky so they don’t buy anything. If they go abroad for a year they might not get a job when they come back. They enjoy a modest life and don’t stretch themselves.” For Yamada this passivity cuts to the heart of Japan’s future as a creative force. “It’s critical,” he says. “Young Japanese are so docile – if they don’t rebel how will anything new be born?” [/SIZE]
:faint::faint:

toneart - 9-13-2010 at 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto

Then came the Generation of Blamers, avoiders of Decesions, Group Protest, Blaming the Southerns for the Blacks Failures, Cussing the Mexicans for their Ability to work the Fields, doing any thing to Blame others and avoiding their own Responsibility.

"Blaming the Southerns for the Blacks Failures," Priceless! :spingrin:

wessongroup - 9-13-2010 at 07:56 PM

Yes your correct.. from another era... just proves that Skeets is coming from a differnt point in time..

Now it's the entire white race... which would include you, I'm guessing ...or did I miss the memo..

toneart - 9-13-2010 at 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wessongroup
Yes your correct.. from another era... just proves that Skeets is coming from a differnt point in time..

Now it's the entire white race... which would include you, I'm guessing ...or did I miss the memo..

Wesson,

I don't understand your last paragraph. I am not trying to be impolite here. The last time I asked for further clarification you blew me off in a fit of anger. I also asked for clarification on that but never got an answer.

Could you please restate your last paragraph? Thank you.

wessongroup - 9-13-2010 at 09:54 PM

Well, guess its true since you said it... however, I don't have "fits of anger" I take medication which prevents that... and don't even think I would need meds over this internet stuff, might have a "fits of anger" over the fact that 60% of India does not have toilets, the or abject poverty I see here in Baja, but stuff here on this board, you are mistaken ...... it is what it is... simply stated... ask Skeets if he understands....

If he says he is lost, I will report back... in a different language

[Edited on 9-14-2010 by wessongroup]

DENNIS - 9-13-2010 at 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wessongroup
"fits of anger" over the fact that 60% of India does not have toilets,

That's almost all right since 59% of the wretched people don't eat. India is a country which strives for balance....plus, the have the nuc-bomb, so wadddya gonna do?!?!

wessongroup - 9-14-2010 at 05:53 AM

Kashmir .... the gate way to peace and harmony .... and China on an old thing called the "Silk Road"... religion and/or National identity, my butt.. lets threaten throw another Koran and/or Quran on the fire.. and lets see what happens..

Think not... "China deploys 11,000 troops in Gilgit area in Occupied Kashmir"

Skeet/Loreto - 9-14-2010 at 06:22 AM

Hope all you Posters read about the big Fiasco in Amarillo over the Skeboarder who grabbed the Quran that was about to be Fried. It is all over the Webs. Even have T Shirs with the Kids Logo!!

The character who was going to to Burn the Book is{And this is for Vagabondo} is a "Religious Nut"!!
2 years ago he and my next door neighbor{Wife of the Pastor of the Cowboy Church} tried to close down a group of Swingers that had rented a building for their Fun and Games.

Skeet/Loreto - 9-14-2010 at 06:29 AM

For information:

I take Crestor, Plavix, Hi Blood pressure Pill, Zyloprem for Gout Thas all. I do not beleive in taking

ain Pills .OH1. 81 Mg Aspirin.

I average about 3 good Two Eyed Tequillas a Week and a couple of Glasses of Wine.

Santiago - 9-14-2010 at 07:01 AM

Skeet: I know you told me once but I forgot - what's a "two-eyed tequila"?
And you might want to consider this; pot use among wine makers in California is rampant. Close to 100% from what I read.

What toneart says X2: this stuff is pretty funny.

Phil S - 9-14-2010 at 07:11 AM

Skeet. You've gotten tougher as you've aged. And the verbal bashing of the Free Mason's by a few on this site amazes me. ?????? Including gnukid???? What's that all about gnukid? And what does all this have to do with Loving Baja???? All this space taken from a college computer that allows this site to be used, and the few of the membership that have been around for a long time know that. Aren't we pushing this a little "too far"? Wasn't this started as an inquiry from Skeet about doing another site that would "stick" to the intent? Though the majority I've noticed pay by the rules, a few have taken it upon themselves to be The N-zi Squad. Has the Baja Nomads site become a 'wipping post' by a select few? I would think by now the Webmaster must be squirming in hhis seat, and looking over his head to see if anyone from the college is saying, "enough is enough". Either 'they' get their act together, or we pull the plug".????? I for one certainly hope they don't. I love "the purpose" of this forum. Don't let a few 'pinheads' ruin it.

Skeet/Loreto - 9-14-2010 at 09:41 AM

santigo: Check back on a Search and you can read the story of the Birth of Two-Eyed Tequilla.

You say it well Phil. In my poor Ole Timers way I thought someone who was looking to start a Good Website that Baja Sur Info would be the Basis as others have indicated that they are getting tired of getting Flamed when they ask a decent Question.

For any of you out there who still want to Adventure, take a good look at the area south of Agua Verde all the way down to Los Delores

two-Eyed Tequilla==Two Shots of Tequilla over Two Ice Cubes with Two Queen Ann Olives .

Skeet

Skeet/Loreto - 9-14-2010 at 09:48 AM

Phils:

If you really look a some those "FreeMason "Bashers it does seem that they are College Age, Inexperienced in Life, very easily controlled by others Ideas especially if it is something that they can Blame.

I would imagine that they have never been disciplined, have never taken any Risk and suffered the Results, have learned to be "Cheaters" by their use of Blame Words.

I even wonder if some of them have ever been to Baja. What concerns me is that there are a Whole Bunch of that type of Creature out there and many going to College .

gnukid - 9-14-2010 at 09:58 AM

Phil and Skeet, instead of attacking those who question the motives of freemason why not speak in support of freemasons actions? Speak in support of the KKK which was founded by the highest level FreeMasons, speak in support of the Italian Mafia which is a leg of Masons under the most highly revered Mason Mazzani?

Speak about Masons as a Luciferian brotherhood that denies implicitly Christianity. Whyt not explain to the unenlightened why Mason must mislead, disguise and distract their own as well as others who are undeserving.

Explain to the ignorant why Masons are a higher than others and more deserving of prosperity than others who worship God?

You too are clearly supportive experts and can easily explain the benefits of the endless wars, planned and managed by our Masonic heros?

We are the unwashed ignorant civilians and you are certainly the brilliant enlightened ones under Lucifer, please guide us unto the light, high leader?

When it is okay for a Mason to lie, always? Often? absolutely, when can you be trusted? Never?

Who is the creator?

Skeet/Loreto - 9-14-2010 at 10:11 AM

gnukid; You are so Dumb I can smell you from here!!

First; First thing to be a Mason You have to beleive in GOD.

Second; That includes a whole buch of Christains and Jews.

Third; No Criminal Record or Conviction for a Felony.

Fourth; No Boose, No discussion of Politics or Religion in Lodge.{In all of various Lodges for the 50 years of being a Mson have I ever heard a word or Dicussion}.

You are copying all of that stuff off the Web. or does your Socialist Group allow you to write your own Posts??????

gnukid - 9-14-2010 at 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
gnukid; You are so Dumb I can smell you from here!!

First; First thing to be a Mason You have to beleive in GOD.

Second; That includes a whole buch of Christains and Jews.

Third; No Criminal Record or Conviction for a Felony.

Fourth; No Boose, No discussion of Politics or Religion in Lodge.{In all of various Lodges for the 50 years of being a Mson have I ever heard a word or Dicussion}.

You are copying all of that stuff off the Web. or does your Socialist Group allow you to write your own Posts??????

mason = liar

gnukid - 9-14-2010 at 10:29 AM

Skeet, since you persist, let's ask us some basic questions of you since you seem willing to speak.

If there are two paths in life, one to be good to all people, to give what can and to love all and strive for peace and the other to take what you can, to give nothing and have no concern for others while using every method to conquer others, which path provides the greatest joy and benefit to oneself? What say the 32degree Mason?

What do we say about Machiavelli and his work The Prince?

When is it okay to lie?

Who is Lucifer?

Does god exist?

Who is the creator?

What is the role of the individual?

What is the role of war?

I can bet the answer is to change the subject and bring up a strawman?

You see, you can't have it both ways, you can't be good on the surface and evil at heart and still be good.

[Edited on 9-14-2010 by gnukid]

Skeet/Loreto - 9-14-2010 at 11:13 AM

Gnukid- All People are not "Good"
All People are not Bad.
This 32Degree Mason beleives in Brotherly Love, Relief and Truth. Temperance Fortidude, Prudence, and Justice

Okey to Lie is easy-- To save a Childs Life.

No idea at all on Lucifer

I beleive in a Supreme Being who Created everything incuding the Horse;s Tail to Swat Flies.

The individual should make every ew
ffort to Control his Desires and keep his Passions within Due Bounds

Role of War is the easist; The Survival of the Fitist.

Now is a great time for us to learn about You:

What is your Age?
What is your Background and where were you rasied?

If old enough where did you go to School??

If employed What type??

gnukid - 9-14-2010 at 11:15 AM

“What does it profit a man if he gain the whole world and lose –how does the quotation run? – his own soul?” - Oscar Wilde, The Picture of Dorian Gray

Skeet/Loreto - 9-14-2010 at 11:18 AM

Baack to the Original Idea of a BAja Website:

Hope that whoever creates itwill start off with a Discussion as to what to expect, say what happens at the 28th Paralel/

Road conditions

Good Locations to stop and Campt as well as Motels

What they can expect if they take the Coast Route as well as Hwy One Route.

Interesting sidelights/

Interesting People

There are many great places to see and enjoy about Baja Sur.

mtgoat666 - 9-14-2010 at 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Baack to the Original Idea of a BAja Website:

Hope that whoever creates itwill start off with a Discussion as to what to expect, say what happens at the 28th Paralel/

Road conditions

Good Locations to stop and Campt as well as Motels

What they can expect if they take the Coast Route as well as Hwy One Route.

Interesting sidelights/

Interesting People

There are many great places to see and enjoy about Baja Sur.

what's wrong with this website?

the only "problem" here is instigators like you, skeet, that like to stir the pot with inflamatory statements. if you think it's a problem, then skip reading it, and devote the time saved to posting pictures of your texas nirvanna and your vegetable garden.

Skeet/Loreto - 9-14-2010 at 11:36 AM

a very good example of a Good Baja Sur Discussion is the one of People asking about fishing; Shari;s responses are great.
I have spent a lot of time South of the area she lives. It is great.I think it is about time to shut this discussion down as a lot of Good has been Posted.

Good Luck. I am out of here for other places.

toneart - 9-14-2010 at 11:40 AM

YUP! We already have it, right here in li'l ol' BajaNomad. Doug has provided all you need, to report, read and learn. Just wade through the BS detractors, ignore them, and take only what you can use...and give reliable information if you have recent BCS experience. :yes:

I am constantly impressed by the knowledge and willingness to help, provided by so many kind Nomads. :bounce:

Skeet/Loreto - 9-14-2010 at 12:09 PM

Right on Toneart.
I was hopeing that Doug would get on to it and set up a different website.'He could sell some space to those people that have things to sell and are located only in Baja Sur.

Many people do not have any Idea of the distance involved etc,

Sure would be great if Doug could do it,

Skeet

DENNIS - 9-14-2010 at 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto

Sure would be great if Doug could do it,

Skeet

Skeet....I think this project is yours to pursue since you're the only one in the universe who really knows what you want.
Just start a thread here and specify it's only for BCSoutherners and closed to all Northern trash who are unworthy.
That's all you have to do.

Skeet/Loreto - 9-14-2010 at 04:32 PM

Thanks to all the Posters on this Thread-Good and Bad- I appreciate your
interest

Just think in a year or so we may have a Baja Sur Nomad website and be enjoying it is much as we do Doug,s.

Skeet.

gnukid - 9-14-2010 at 04:38 PM

Skeet I provided links earlier in the thread to setup a forum based on PHPbb with the click of a button for $4.95 managed by a commercial system administrator. If you want to do it, you can do it-with your niece-it could be fantastic bonding time and a chance to share your life with her and to rethink values about the value of helping others for the joy you receive from that versus the value to get from exploiting others for your own personal benefit. No One is too young to begin to live a self-examined life... and consider life's choices.

[Edited on 9-14-2010 by gnukid]

David K - 9-14-2010 at 04:48 PM

Two Baja's, one people (Nomads)?

Sounds like Germany before communism ended, and Korea, today...?

A General Baja forum and a General Baja Sur forum as a primary place to post? I see too much confusuion and the moderatator having to move posts more than he does now for people who post in the wrong forum.

Also remember, the 'Nomad' is Doug...

Doug could create another specialty forum 'Baja Sur' like he has for Off Roading, Fishing, Flying, Historic Interests... But, is it just more places ro look for trip reports and photos? Many of us travel in both states... How do we address questions or post photos of an entire Baja trip is there needs to be seperation between the two?

Baja Nomad for all of the Baja peninsula has worked pretty well since 2002... Maybe I don't understand why you think dividing us would mae things better Skeet? I hope you find another way to enjoy Baja Nomad than to break off the peninsula at the 28º parallel.

DENNIS - 9-14-2010 at 04:52 PM

David.....I think you're taking all of this a little too seriously. :light:

Skeet/Loreto - 9-14-2010 at 04:58 PM

Gnukid:

Sorry I do not have a Neice to share your thoughts with, must be some of your other Posters.

I have never exploited anyone.

I think that everyone should chart their own course in Life, just as you do.

Just be happy.

Skeet

David K - 9-14-2010 at 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DENNIS
David.....I think you're taking all of this a little too seriously. :light:

Yes, you are correct Dennis...

I had only read the first page when it was fresh,and before Skeet's opening post was removed.

After I posted my thoughts on Two Bajas and One Nomad, I read the several pages in between!!

'My God, it's full of stars'!

That is the most posts from bajatripper I have read... He spoke less on our trip to Mision Santa Maria even!

k-rico - 9-14-2010 at 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Just be happy.

Skeet

vgabndo - 9-14-2010 at 06:47 PM

Thus spake the Skeet:

"Baack to the Original Idea of a BAja Website:

Hope that whoever creates itwill start off with a Discussion as to what to expect, say what happens at the 28th Paralel/

Road conditions

Good Locations to stop and Campt as well as Motels

What they can expect if they take the Coast Route as well as Hwy One Route.

Interesting sidelights/

Interesting People

There are many great places to see and enjoy about Baja Sur."

Skeet, you are one conflicted old gas bag! Everything you list already exists on this forum. The part you seem to require that is not present here is that anyone who disagrees with you should be banned. Anyone who uses a different DOPE than you sould be banned. Anyone who went to a west coast university and learned to spell, punctuate, and conjugate should be banned. (or are you not suggesting that your superior education resulted in your relative illiteracy?)

Earlier in this thread you made the most racist statement I have EVER seen on this site. (some tripe about "Southerns" being blamed for the failure of African Americans).

Fact is, Skeet, there were no "southern" states when your Christian brothers brought the viscious scourge of slavery to these shores. It was the "south" however that forced a civil war to to unchain our African brothers.

And, PHIL S.: You seem to have joined Skeet in more ways than one when you turned the sad victims of microcephalia into some kind of a slur. Only the uneducated and Bill O'Reilly use the slur "pinhead" to describe the people who disagree with them. I'm afraid your comment says a lot about you. I would be mortified were I found to be so thoughtless. Want to reconsider?

Phil S - 9-14-2010 at 08:52 PM

Vag. Fine with me if it would help you sleep better at night!!!

vgabndo - 9-14-2010 at 10:18 PM

Phil, it isn't about ME sleeping better. It appears from your reply that you used the term knowingly, so I will place you with your ilk in the Mr.Bill school of social appropriateness, and won't further waste my time or yours with trying to teach compassion. :no:

Skeet/Loreto - 9-15-2010 at 06:43 AM

Oh! VAG
I can Smell you from here!!

You are just like the rest of the Liberal Dummies who starts Hollering Racisit everytime their weak Minds try to avoid the truth of a statement of fact.

How Sad.

Bajatripper - 9-15-2010 at 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by David K

Quote:

Originally posted by DENNIS
David.....I think you're taking all of this a little too seriously. :light:

That is the most posts from bajatripper I have read... He spoke less on our trip to Mision Santa Maria even!

Ah David, you must of missed my friendly exchanges with Dennis on a thread that was soooo good it got deleted by The Master. That was probably my personal record, although I do find entertainment value in exchanges with Skeet--not much intelligence or logic, but entertaining never-the-less. I guess I like being referred to as a good-for-nothing socialist-communist hippie doper, or words to that effect.
I would have spoken more on the Santa Maria Mission trip, but you must remember, I was a Newbie back then (the mission trip was the reason I finally got serious enough to join the site), and didn't want to talk too much since I'm so shy.

[Edited on 9-16-2010 by Bajatripper]

DENNIS - 9-15-2010 at 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bajatripper
and didn't want to talk too much since I'm so shy.

Bajatripper - 9-15-2010 at 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto

You are just like the rest of the Liberal Dummies who starts Hollering Racisit everytime their weak Minds try to avoid the truth of a statement of fact.

I finally see the light! Now I get it! No wonder you have no need for history books or any of those other crutches of the intellectual types. You get to make up your own truths and facts to go along with your own system of spelling and punctuation. And I have noticed how your "facts" are also malleable. As your need arises, they can be changed to support whatever ignorant statement you see fit to make at the moment. You should really write them down and study them so you have a little more consistency in your deployment of them. Ooops, bad idea, that is how books get started, and we all know what you think of them.

And, as for avoiding inconvenient facts, nobody can hold a candle to you in that area, my man. So, again, I humbly bow to you, Oby Won Canobie. Please, give us some more examples of how it's done.

[Edited on 9-15-2010 by Bajatripper]

Skeet/Loreto - 9-15-2010 at 01:42 PM

Statement of Fact!
Vag called me a Racist for post the following along with other stuff.

If is a FACT that for many years several well know people have made statements saying that the Failures of Blacks is caused by Southerners.
Rangel, Jackson, Sharpton

Since Obama has come into Office it is even getting worse.

Question Why does Vag call me a Racisit??? Can he give a simple answer.

I will also say that the Mexicanos have been "Blamed in the past 10 years as if they were all "Illegal"

It is the same with the NASCAR folks who are called Racist and how about the National Basketball Association being Called a Bunch of Racist.

Then there are the Muslims being Called Racist.

You would think that the weak minded Liberal would come up with a new Word, but you know that would really test their Abilities.

gnukid - 9-15-2010 at 01:47 PM

And how much evidence does anyone need that the leaders of the do gooder positive fraternal club of FreeMasons of the Scottish Rites might not be what they say they are on the surface?

Quote:

"Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable, blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish souls? Doubt it not!" Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, p. 321, 19th Degree of Grand Pontiff

[Edited on 9-15-2010 by gnukid]

Skeet/Loreto - 9-15-2010 at 01:55 PM

There you go again Mr. Nuke Evolution been coping all those Falsehoods off of Goggle, or is it Bing this time.??

Comon gnukid you know its all BS.

gnukid - 9-15-2010 at 02:10 PM

If the point of FreeMasonry is to achieve the most one can for yourself, I would say you've done it! Success, True enlightenment Skeet! Let us all look to Lucifer the lightkeeper! er not!

For all those asking what Skeet is talking about, Nuke Evolution is a version of software which is free community Bulletin Board System which I worked on in the past. His reference is evidence that he is now stalking me on the web. By having a community of developers working together the idea is that we can work to patch security holes and improve it while charging nothing to users. Its a free forum like many others based on the version of NukePHP which is another tool like the software used here at BN. There are many bulletin board systems but most derive from PHPBB/ PHPNUKE which are free open source software. http://phpbb.org

What is unfortunate for Skeet is that here he claims to be asking for help, and as always I forgive his tendencies and offered help as have others, yet as you can tell he really doesn't want that, he only wants to divide Baja Nomad, as I point out, this is the primary function of the fraternal group to which he belongs-to divide and exploit others for the gain of higher level Masons-It's like a pyramid scheme-though he may not understand that as few members do understand the inner workings developed by the architect Albert Pike and Guiseppe Mazzini, they claim to be do gooders but in effect work to divide and use a variety of well established techniques to distract, confuse, etc... including claim racism etc... I hope that we can use his posts here to learn from and realize the value of diverse community and see that there are those who claim to be de-gooders who really are not, yet we should still welcome them and forgive them for being somewhat misled by a long association with a luciferian cult disguised as a social club.

[Edited on 9-15-2010 by gnukid]

Skeet/Loreto - 9-15-2010 at 03:14 PM

Oh! I am so Mean!!!

I had a Honest Question about gnu and gnukid so I did a goggle and came up with your appliciation and I ask you and at that time you did not answer.

I contacted my Grandson and he explained something in other words I ask a question and Learned something on this day and at my age. made the Day!!

For gnukid_ Just got ask to drive the MuleSkinners Tack Truck in the Tri State Fair in Amarillo. If you have never seen a Bunch of MuleSkinners in a Shriners Parade you should try to do so.

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