Coyote Ugly...to feed or not to feed???

Marc

No bear problem in north Idaho. Simple solution. It's called hunting season.

the reason I posted this ditty were twofold...

First, I was taken by surprise at the different reactions from friends and family present at the "incident"...so I was curious to hear what other nomadamigos's thoughts were on this subject.

Secondly, I like to share some of our antics with those less fortunate, who long for a sniff of baja life from thier snowy lanes...a day in the life on a baja beach sort of thing....which includes coyote visits and possible feeding!! Laurieboats reports a sighting by pig beach...coyote rooting through garbage...maybe not his last meal???

thanks everyone for the interesting responses....

Motoged...shame on you

Mammoth a HICK TOWN??????? Now THAT is funny.

Barry

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Originally posted by motoged Shari, Now you see all the trouble you have caused by feeding a sick old coyote You have clearly upset the balance of nature and a bunch of bad stuff has ensued. Why don't you just stick to sitting back in BA and stop upsetting everyone??? There seems to be some sensitivities ruffled....you have folks shooting bears and cougars....others shooting at the bear and cougar hunters, and you have even managed to get Wile E. killing a poor bird I just am so upset by all this I think you are an insensitive anarchist just toying with the good folks of this No Mad forum....stop trolling....so we can get back to picking on DK or complaining about la mordida surges...

I can't stand idly by and let Sis take all the blame. My heartfelt comment about coyotes being "magnificent animals" let loose an avalanche of stuff about bearkilling and other unpleasantries. Sorry shari, some of this is my fault

ahhh....that's what big brothers are for!!!

I believe that this comment is sincere, and certainly compassionate, but I believe I should tell you that just the opposite is true. Again, as a Park Ranger and Bear Management Officer in Glacier Natl. Park with some experience in wildlife management, "aging wild animals" potentially are the MOST dangerous of all, other than a Mom protecting her offspring. Aging animals are often in pain, very grumpy, and in self-preservation mode, making the likelyhood that they will lash out that more probable.

I too applaud what Shari did with the old coyote, and I would probably do the same under similar circumstances, but some of us feel compelled to make sure folks understand exactly what they are doing when they aid, and cosy up to, wild animals. No anger here, no name-calling, and no "cess pool" thoughts from me.

And yes, I agree that this has been a very interesting thread-----thank you, Shari for introducing it and providing a platform for learning (hopefully).

Barry

Barry, I think that is good advice. I would be surprised however if they were very hungry--might be more inclined toward the sick. The dump for La Bocana is not far from town and I am sure it is much like the one for Bahia Asunción that supports hundreds of coyotes. Most of them quite healthy looking, but not all.

It really is an amazing site to just sit and watch the many, many family groups, their interaction, sometimes, fights, and the different trails they follow to home----we find it fascinating.

There is so much food at those dumps---stuff dumped from the co-ops that they just love, and so many tiny creatures, for them to eat----the huge food source is why there are so many---just a great place to sit and observe----while they are observing us.

And the dunes and desert around there have lots of food available.

So other than a quick run though that we have seen, I would be very wary of coyotes hanging around in La Bocana----in addition to rabies, there is a lot of Parvo and of course mange----

So I agree with you about keeping the dog away and things like parvo, as I am sure you know, can be spread other ways than just direct contact.

What will be interesting to see is when the dumps start being managed better. This year the Reserve funded a program for the dump at Tortugas and they hope to do more each year. That may change the food situation, and not to bring bears back into this, but I am sure you remember what happened in Yellowstone the year they made the decision to close ALL the dumps at one time. Was not good.

[Edited on 12-5-2010 by DianaT]

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Originally posted by shari .....<snip...Motoged...shame on you

Shari, yo espero que sepa que soy sarcástico.

Motoged...not sure how to say DUH in spanish

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Originally posted by shari Motoged...not sure how to say DUH in spanish

Shari,
My translator tool says it is "Duh", but I am not sure which syllable has the emphasis

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Originally posted by motoged Quote: Originally posted by shari Motoged...not sure how to say DUH in spanish Shari, My translator tool says it is "Duh", but I am not sure which syllable has the emphasis

It may be pronounced "the".

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Originally posted by toneart I can no longer waste time debating "the other side". They disgust me. The ideological divide is too great and beyond repair. Get ready for more gridlock in congress. Tony, that was an excellent response and the snip above reminded me that on my TV cable there is an "outdoor" channel that I subtitle "See a beautiful animal, see a beautiful animal die" I have been consistently blown away by the level of bloodlust that these people show. It is common to see someone who has spent months feeding deer or bear finally climb up a tree near the food dispenser and hide and wound the animal at close range with an arrow. After all the highfiving and "Praise Jesus what a beautiful (running away dying in agony) creature.", they wander back to the lodge to wait for the animal to die so they won't be in any danger when they follow the blood trail to the corpse. What a challange! What a manly persuit! They can run on endlessly about the details of a deers antlers, but Bernie Madoff will be a free man before you'll hear them talk about slaughtering, cutting, wrapping, freezing, and cooking the meat. The "other side" hasn't yet evolved out of killing animals for fun. This is compounded by the bible being no friend of animals. Given that it is the Federal Religion, there is little hope for kinder gentler times in this country. How are you supposed to debate a teapartier when their idea of a response to one of my questions was to deny that that the planet was anywhere near 630,000 years old! (the age of the first of eight times the Mediterranean Sea dried up and re-filled, and the perfect germ to grow the biblical myth of a god sending a great flood.) Yeah Tony, I'm down to fighting back just enough to maintain my dignity. [Edited on 12-6-2010 by vgabndo]

LOL
Shari told me this is a post that will not die.. unreal..

Well i saw this same yote on the beach at Lowtide.. and it looks just old and senile, I didn't notice anything that would indicate being rabid... however NO way I'd try and find out.. much less allow my pups out of the truck around him/her?

But still a odd siteing at best, and i bet the iold dog would like to know he's BajaNomad infamous..

Yup...a thread that will grow..and grow..and grow.

You've stirred up the grandmother of hornet's nests, shari.....

My morning's take on all this is ..after my 4th cup of high test java...

...It's got something for everybody..including tree huggers, slob hunters, the real hunters, environmentalists, naturalists, arm-chair philosophers, atheists, bible thumpers, good roads, bad roads, left-wingers, right-wingers, sane-wingers like me, bigots, animal lovers, animal haters, whiskey drinkers, white zinfandel drinkers, chili with meat, chili just beans, Happy Holiday'ers v.s. Merry Christmas greeters...

And by Odin's Hammer!...I'm pretty sure that's the Klu Klux Klan rearing it's ugly head in the distance, just behind that Gay Coalition of Ranchero Grandmothers.

Almost nostalgic...sigh..

Yes, congratulations, shari....It's grown into a natural waste disposal site for everybody to...VENT!

It's a GOOD place to be a coyote...screw those nasty mountain lions.


Hmmmm...Say, can we talk..shhhh.. stimulus, pork, and taxes here?

pork?

I protest the mistreatment of Pork! These poor little things are running up and down the beach looking hungry


Pompano ..
Being an "home chef" ...I noted your kitchen cabinets. Very nice pre design work keeping those low hanged as you did.

[Edited on 12-15-2010 by mcfez]

Ya know.....I have a problem with those folks who put out bird seed.

These wild birds become dependent on sunflower seeds and the like in places where sunflowers aren't even part of the natural local ecology.

And don't get me or Skeet going on the possible inclusion of hemp seeds in the bird seed.....poor sparrows hooked on pot....they will be looking for crack feeders next if we keep this up.....we are creating a very unnatural and dangerous step in the vicious cycle of addictions folks.

Let the buggers freeze to death if they can't find their own food....clearly it is god's (or is it Darwin's ?) will if they can't find some sustenance on their own.

Roger,
Thanks for keeping this important discussion going

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Originally posted by motoged Ya know.....I have a problem with those folks who put out bird seed. These wild birds become dependent on sunflower seeds and the like in places where sunflowers aren't even part of the natural local ecology. And don't get me or Skeet going on the possible inclusion of hemp seeds in the bird seed.....poor sparrows hooked on pot....they will be looking for crack feeders next if we keep this up.....we are creating a very unnatural and dangerous step in the vicious cycle of addictions folks. Let the buggers freeze to death if they can't find their own food....clearly it is god's (or is it Darwin's ?) will if they can't find some sustenance on their own. Roger, Thanks for keeping this important discussion going

I used to feed birds, placing seed on all my turned upside down hubcaps. The birds were happy. They were singing. Now they'll all dead thanks to someone whom stole the hubcaps.

".........................motoged!

Ken,
Well said.... I agree. My experience is when the food in front of me near the couch runs out, I eventually meander back to the kitchen and forage in the fridge or cupboards,

The plaintiff howl of , "Honey, make me a sammich" sometimes is the unanswered call of the wild.....or so it seems.

The value of herding/pack hunting seems to diminish in some survival situations

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Originally posted by motogedKen, Well said.... I agree. My experience is when the food in front of me near the couch runs out, I eventually meander back to the kitchen and forage in the fridge or cupboards, The plaintiff howl of , "Honey, make me a sammich" sometimes is the unanswered call of the wild.....or so it seems. The value of herding/pack hunting seems to diminish in some survival situations

Advice from a local in Asuncion

Good idea to carry a stick like a walking stick. While not as many as in other areas of Baja, we have come across a small pack of dogs and small packs of dogs can be aggressive at times. They were at the other end of town and were NOT aggressive, but the stick and a rock or two are good ideas.

Our experiences with the coyotes in that area are that they are very cautious and won't come near, but a walking stick is a good investment.

Would not give up the walk, however----just too beautiful of a place to walk.

Here in MT. we like to stir the pot by talking about the WOLVES, coyotes are a non issue. When in Baja, I throw scraps out.... what the gulls and crows don't eat the coyotes do. The real good stuff (avocado peels) I toss out in the dark, coyotes love em. I have never heard of a coyote attacking a person... Maybe I guess. Watching them stalk the rabbits is like watching tv for us...couple of drinks, some snacks great fun!
Mostly the coyotes up north are very sneaky and sly, they may sneak in and nab a cat and rile the dogs up, but other than that...
Now wolves on the other hand....

a photo test. rocky fed unintentionally

on edit: the box is 16" high. this bandit is tall!!

[Edited on 12-19-2010 by fandango]