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shari - 6-16-2011 at 07:48 AM

much ado about nothing...a small group of drunk hooligans(probably americans:P) went on a rampage and made the news...not really a riot....some broken windows, barfights, bonfires for roasting marshmallows...

Not many things Canadians are super passionate about...except hockey!!!

[Edited on 6-16-2011 by shari]

bajadock - 6-16-2011 at 08:30 AM


I need a Kokanee hug

Martyman - 6-16-2011 at 08:42 AM

At least the right city had a riot! When LA or Detroit WON the NBA championship they had riots and cars tipped over. The losers are POed and needed to let off a litle steam.

I need a Kokanee hug too.

wessongroup - 6-16-2011 at 08:54 AM

Yep, those Canucks have a bit of "cabin" fever... to burn off...

But, thought by June... it would have been worked off...

Was the winter a bit harsher than normal... saw that the "Rockies" had a very snow fall this winter.. thank God or who ever ya want to thank.. we need all the water we can get... as does Canada... it makes things work...

Anyone that can make through a winter that lasts as long as it does up there.. well... I've had that feeling before... when young... sort of just want to run around and do SOMETHING outside..... in ones tee shirt ...

All well ... glad it was only property damage...

Too bad about the loss... but, "puck heads" are some kinda fans....

DENNIS - 6-16-2011 at 09:06 AM

Destructive civil disobedience sucks. There's no excuse for it.
Come to think of it....there's no excuse for two grown men, professional athletes, to stand in front of a TV camera and a million kids, beating each other like common thugs.

JMHO

redhilltown - 6-16-2011 at 09:21 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Destructive civil disobedience sucks. There's no excuse for it.
Come to think of it....there's no excuse for two grown men, professional athletes, to stand in front of a TV camera and a million kids, beating each other like common thugs.

JMHO



Dennis: Have you changed the topic from hockey to politics???? ;D

wessongroup - 6-16-2011 at 09:26 AM

Naw... just talking about sports... American football ... used to be much the same... until they wouldn't allow it on TV anymore, along with a few other changes...

Haven't watched "pro football" in around 25 years...

Would rather watch Thai Kick boxing... or a good race of just about anything...

DENNIS - 6-16-2011 at 09:52 AM

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Originally posted by redhilltown
Dennis: Have you changed the topic from hockey to politics???? ;D


Well....no, but it's a great suggestion. There are some, most, politicians I would love to watch beating each other. Talk about a vicarious thrill. :lol:

motoged - 6-16-2011 at 12:54 PM

Congratulations, Bruins....the better team won....that's clear.


Boo to the sh#t-head punks who used the game as an excuse for violence and vandalism (NOT civil disobedience !!)

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/british-columbi...

bajajudy - 6-16-2011 at 01:00 PM

150 people injured.............ouch

DENNIS - 6-16-2011 at 01:03 PM

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Originally posted by motoged
violence and vandalism (NOT civil disobedience !!)



OK.....Uncivil disobedience?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_disobedience

Nothing but GOOD

MrBillM - 6-16-2011 at 01:30 PM

Canuckials beating on Canuckials.

Win-Win.

Give us MORE.

Cypress - 6-16-2011 at 03:04 PM

Arson and vandalism.

elgatoloco - 6-16-2011 at 07:29 PM

At least someone scored in Vancouver!

Vancouver-riot-kiss-coupl-007.jpg - 29kB

woody with a view - 6-16-2011 at 07:35 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by woody with a view
i dont always drink beer, but when i do i prefer Pacifico Ballenas!:lol:




Picture please. :biggrin:


okkee-doke. i hope it resizes correctly.

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This Canadian violence

mcfez - 6-16-2011 at 08:46 PM

Wow....sounds worst than a place called Baja ......safe to travel into Canada?

[Edited on 6-17-2011 by mcfez]

Vancouver rioter gets grenade to the pelotas

jenny.navarrette - 6-16-2011 at 11:41 PM


Cypress - 6-17-2011 at 06:07 AM

Torching a police car? Arson is a felony.

Iflyfish - 6-17-2011 at 06:53 AM

Jenny, ecoloco and Shari

"Not many things Canadians are super passionate about..."

"Vancouver rioter gets grenade to the pelotas"

"At least someone scored in Vancouver!"

Wow, I never had an explosion like that in Vancouver, some good ones, but never with the fireworks!! Go Canucks!! What a blast!! Who says Vancouverites lack passion!

Iflyfishinaweofvancouveritesaslongasitisn'tmycar

durrelllrobert - 6-17-2011 at 10:29 AM

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Originally posted by bajajudy
150 people injured.............ouch

Canadians will take any opportunity that they can to party:lol::lol:

Cypress - 6-17-2011 at 01:33 PM

There's a world of difference between having a party and arson. Looks like the canucks are coddeling punks. Remember the old fable, "You knew I was a snake...":no:

Skeet/Loreto - 6-17-2011 at 01:52 PM

I am very disappointed in the Actions of the Canadian Fans.

mtgoat666 - 6-17-2011 at 02:52 PM

I love the exuberance and impulsiveness of youth!!!!!

Riot on!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DENNIS - 6-17-2011 at 02:54 PM

What is the immigrant situation in Vancouver?

mtgoat666 - 6-17-2011 at 02:55 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
What is the immigrant situation in Vancouver?


dennis:
they don't want you :lol:

DENNIS - 6-17-2011 at 02:57 PM

I'm just wondering if there's an element of people up there that don't treat the place like home.

mtgoat666 - 6-17-2011 at 02:58 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
I'm just wondering if there's an element of people up there that don't treat the place like home.


aha!!!

when in doubt, always blame it on the immigrants!!!

DENNIS - 6-17-2011 at 03:01 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
when in doubt, always blame it on the immigrants!!!


There's no doubt in L.A.

shari - 6-17-2011 at 03:08 PM

looks like the hoodlems will be found out as they are being exposed on facebook and will be prosecuted...then we will find out who they are and where they are from...most canadians are embarassed and really pi$$ed at the behavior of a few that trashed the reputation all the great canuck fans...really stinks and I hope the rabblerousers get punished and have to pay damages. The rioting by some was premeditated and the cops expected it.

Hooker33 - 6-17-2011 at 03:19 PM

I suspect that the riot would have happened regardless who won the Stanley Cup. There are no doubt anarchist living in B.C. as there are here in Seattle, Eugene and San Francisco who look for any opportunity to disrupt any governmental function or celebration.

DENNIS - 6-17-2011 at 03:23 PM

Next time, promise them a parade, a party and some Marshall Law.

redhilltown - 6-18-2011 at 12:20 AM

I think most of the "immigrants" in Vancouver would tend to be Asian? I could be wrong on this but Asian immigrants (yeah yeah, I saw the one pic) are not known for their riotous behavior in regards to hockey games.

But Canada DOES have some connections back to the U.K. and let's face it, THEY know how to properly riot! Especially when it comes to sporting events.

The whole thing is a damn shame

windgrrl - 6-18-2011 at 09:25 PM

Gary Mason
The sad, painful truth about the Vancouver rioters’ true identities
GARY MASON | Columnist profile | E-mail
VANCOUVER— From Saturday's Globe and Mail
Published Friday, Jun. 17, 2011 9:52PM EDT
Last updated Saturday, Jun. 18, 2011 11:22PM EDT

While police and politicians continue to lay the blame for this week’s Stanley Cup riot in Vancouver on professional anarchists and hardened thugs with deep-seated criminal tendencies, the blogosphere and social networks such as Facebook have been revealing a much more uncomfortable truth.

Many of those who participated in the riot were not these types of people at all. They were, in many instances, the sons and daughters of good, upstanding citizens who today must still be in shock over what they’ve learned.

The picture of a young man attempting to set a police cruiser on fire by lighting a rag stuffed in its gas tank has received widespread Internet attention. He’s been identified as an academic all-star who was supposed to be heading to the U.S. in fall on a water polo scholarship.

Water Polo Canada announced Friday that the 17-year-old has been suspended as a member of the junior men’s national team. He has apparently turned himself into police, although the Vancouver Police Department refused to confirm this.

The parents of another 17-year-old high school student from Burnaby, B.C., forced their son to give himself up after a photo surfaced that showed him looting a high-end fashion store. A teacher at an area high school told me Friday that students were abuzz over shots posted on Facebook of classmates riding home on the Canada Line holding items obtained during the looting.

By the time the investigation into this week’s Stanley Cup riot wraps up, there will be dozens of people implicated in the disturbance who do not fit the narrow profile of the riot perpetrator that public authorities have created. The fact is, it’s easier to blame hooligans and professional nihilists for what happened than confront the more disturbing possibility that under unique conditions that wonderful teenaged boy who lives next door is capable of coming unglued.

The identities of many of these young people are now being revealed by others who have recognized them in photos and videos that have surfaced online or been published by media outlets. This has created some ugly tension of its own.

Those revealing the names of people seen in the photos have, in some cases, been threatened and intimidated by friends of the rioters upset that their pals have been outed.

Underlying this dynamic, however, is the more pressing reality that we all must begin to grapple with soon. That is that hundreds of otherwise normal, seemingly well-adjusted kids looked at the riot as an opportunity for a type of social and cultural timeout where the normal rules of behaviour and social interaction did not apply.

Richard Gruneau, a professor in the school of communications at Simon Fraser University, said Friday that one thing that has struck him about the continual references to hooligans and anarchists being responsible for most of the damage is the extent to which that characterization papers over the banality of the bad behaviour.

“It seems pretty clear that those guys jumping up and down on cars, screaming at cops, tearing off shirts and making spectacular displays of their masculine credentials: ‘Dude, look at me, I actually jumped on a flaming car and everyone cheered,’ are actually the sons of good solid suburban citizens,” said Prof. Gruneau. “Some of them are likely our students.”

For Prof. Gruneau, watching the riot on television was like watching a bizarre reality television show where the performers kick, punch, destroy and attempt to steal as much as they can before police close in. Like burro on speed.

While it certainly seems plausible, and maybe even likely, that Wednesday’s riot may have been incited by a small group of insurgents expert at taking advantage of potentially violent situations, it’s impossible to say exactly how much of the damage was caused by these small-time hoods and losers. That is, as opposed to that larger and amorphous group of mostly male twenty-somethings (and younger in many cases) with too much booze in their systems and carrying a repressed need to display their masculine identity.

Many years ago, a study by criminologist Alan Listiak into poor fan behaviour during Grey Cup week suggested that the truly oppressed are often the least likely to exhibit the kind of actions witnessed in Vancouver this week. Rather, time and again in North America, violent behaviour at festivals and sporting events tended to be more accurately identified as “middle class blowouts” than rational political protests.

“This riot is not the result of one single factor,” said Prof. Gruneau. “It is an ensemble and certainly far too complicated to explain in a soundbite. At the very least to say that it had anything to do with hockey as a game leaves far too much out of the account.”

And doesn’t begin to address the question of who was responsible for much of the violence that we witnessed.

shari - 6-19-2011 at 07:03 AM

interesting and makes sense...drunk middle class kids going nuts!!! OK, I humbly withdraw my hooligan theory...there are gonna be alot of grounded kids this week.

DENNIS - 6-19-2011 at 07:54 AM

I can't help believe that the reaction has everything to do with the nature of the game itself. Who would not admit that Hockey is a blood sport, dependent on personal, violent combat for fan approval?!! Who would deny that if the glass barrier, as well as heavy law enforcement were not in place, the mayhem would take place in the arena as well as in the streets?!!

Destructive social behavior is much more deep-seated than in the game itself, but the game encourages that behavior.....so that's what you get.

When these activities start taking place at Wimbeldon, you'll know Western Civilization is in peril.
Not so much when a result of an Ultimate Fighting event.



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[Edited on 6-19-2011 by DENNIS]

wessongroup - 6-19-2011 at 08:08 AM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
I'm just wondering if there's an element of people up there that don't treat the place like home.


aha!!!

when in doubt, always blame it on the immigrants!!!


Would imagine that all in Canada would be "immigrants" as that is what history shows, at this time ... or is there another theory on how folks got to the North American continent ... just saying...

DENNIS - 6-19-2011 at 08:16 AM

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Originally posted by wessongroup


Would imagine that all in Canada would be "immigrants" as that is what history shows, at this time ... or is there another theory on how folks got to the North American continent ... just saying...



I've been told that about myself and the USA, Wiley, [We're all immigrants] but actually I'm not. Neither were my parents. We are native to the land as much as any Chyenne, Apache or Iriquois.
Time stands still for no man or thing. We move on.

YANKEE DOODLE

805gregg - 6-19-2011 at 06:42 PM

Just eliminate these phony, city sport teams, and dumb, corny devised contests and all will go away. Why chase a ball (puck) anyway. Who cares? It's not really important, not important enough to put a SF baseball fan into a comma in LA, not important enough to destroy property of inoccent people in Vancover. I never watch this BS. I once asked why a friend of mine why he cared, he told me because his bookie bet against him, it made it worth while to watch.

BajaGringo - 6-19-2011 at 06:51 PM

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Originally posted by 805gregg
Just eliminate these phony, city sport teams, and dumb, corny devised contests and all will go away. Why chase a ball (puck) anyway. Who cares? It's not really important, not important enough to put a SF baseball fan into a comma in LA, not important enough to destroy property of inoccent people in Vancover. I never watch this BS. I once asked why a friend of mine why he cared, he told me because his bookie bet against him, it made it worth while to watch.


If you take away all the weekend sports action on TV, what are guys who don't golf or fish supposed to do with all that free time???

:P

wessongroup - 6-19-2011 at 07:00 PM

My grand father was married to a Cherokee lady ... and even her ancestors got "here" from some place else... as did my wife's Tohono O'odham/Aztec ancestors ... just saying...

"The Native Americans are widely believed to have come to the Americas via the prehistoric Bering Land Bridge. However, this is not the only theory. Some archaeologists believe that the migration consisted of seafaring tribes that moved along the coast, avoiding mountainous inland terrain and highly variable terrestrial ecosystems. Other researchers have postulated an original settlement by skilled navigators from Oceania, though these American Aborigine people are believed to be nearly extinct. Yet another theory claims an early crossing of the Atlantic Ocean by people originating in Europe. Many native peoples do not believe the migration theory at all. The creation stories of many tribes place the people in North America from the beginning of time. Mormon tradition holds that the Native Americans represent one of the lost tribes of Israel.

Based on anthropological evidence, at least three distinct migrations from Siberia occurred. The first wave of migration came into a land populated by the large mammals of the late Pleistocene epoch, including mammoths, horses, giant sloths, and wooly rhinoceroses. The Clovis culture provides one example of such immigrants. Later the Folsom culture developed, based on the hunting of bison.

The second immigration wave comprised the Athabascan people, including the ancestors of the Apaches and Navajos; the third wave consisted of the Inuits, the Yupiks, and the Aleuts, who may have come by sea over the Bering Strait. The Athabascan peoples generally lived in Alaska and western Canada but some Athabascans migrated south as far as California and the American Southwest, and became the ancestors of tribes now there.

The descendants of the third wave are so ethnically distinct from the remainder of the indigenous inhabitants of the Americas that they are not usually included in the terms "American Indian" or "First Nations".

In recent years, anthropological evidence of migration has been supplemented by studies based on molecular genetics. The provisional results from this field suggest that four distinct migrations from Asia occurred; and, most surprisingly, provide evidence of smaller-scale, contemporaneous human migration from Europe. This suggests that the migrant population, living in Europe at the time of the most recent ice age, adopted a life-style resembling that lived by Inuits and Yupiks in recent centuries.

In the Mississippi valley of the United States, in Mexico and Central America, and in the Andes of South America Native American civilizations arose with farming cultures and city-states." google search... on topic

redhilltown - 6-20-2011 at 12:25 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
I can't help believe that the reaction has everything to do with the nature of the game itself. Who would not admit that Hockey is a blood sport, dependent on personal, violent combat for fan approval?!! Who would deny that if the glass barrier, as well as heavy law enforcement were not in place, the mayhem would take place in the arena as well as in the streets?!!

Destructive social behavior is much more deep-seated than in the game itself, but the game encourages that behavior.....so that's what you get.

When these activities start taking place at Wimbeldon, you'll know Western Civilization is in peril.
Not so much when a result of an Ultimate Fighting event.


Before I defend hockey--which I will--let me make the analogy that people who do not follow the sport and simply see the fights on the news and then judge are a bit similar to those who see the DRUG VIOLENCE IN MEXICO warnings and paint a broad stroke on Mexico and those of us who love it. (this is not meant for Dennis who obviously KNOWS his Baja)....... Which is not to side step the problems of each but so much is overblown.

Having followed hockey for over 40 years and having played it for 20 I know there is soooo much more to it than violence... but there really is no way to convey this unless you see it personally and avoid the hype. There is no huge police presence at hockey games..maybe a couple of cops and the usual security. The players are the sanest, least drugged out, and for the most part well behaved of any major sport.

Violence? Virtually any single down in football has as much violence as any entire game of hockey. Players careers are often ended by cheap shots and vicious illegal hits. If you want violence try a pitcher throwing 100 mph at a guy's head...bench clearing brawls are a thing of the past in hockey but still common in baseball (serious beatings by fans? hockey? no, baseball). Soccer I would not assume is a blood sport but there is probably more historical violence surrounding it and its fans than any other. And the single most brutal punch in all of professional sports history was by Kermit Washington...in basketball (and to add some humor I cannot write that without thinking back to Garret Morris and Saturday Night Live!).

The fights are overrated. Very very very rarely does anyone get hurt and for an enclosed VERY fast, hard hitting sport it relieves some tension....that will of course be hotly debated and I understand the arguments against it but fights are becoming more and more rare. Just TRY to get off a good punch while on skates and exhausted and wearing all that gear... We all have our preferences but I'd rather watch a hockey fight with little chance of injury as opposed to a Wimbledon contestant cuss, throw their racket, hit balls at crying babies, or snap at the ball boys/girls.

Let me buy you a Pacifico Dennis at the Palomar "sports bar and grill" in Santo Tomas and we'll watch a game next season!



;D

redhilltown - 6-20-2011 at 12:28 AM

ooops....sorry, I included my reply in Dennis' quote.

obviously hockey fans are computer idiots...:?:

Cypress - 6-20-2011 at 05:02 AM

Rabid sports fans remind me of the teenage girls that scream at the sight of their flavor-of-the-month idol. Kind of hard to understand?:?:

DENNIS - 6-20-2011 at 09:05 AM

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Originally posted by redhilltown
The fights are overrated.


If they arn't violence, what are they? I've heard of "rough sex" before, but this can't be that.

OK, RHT....I can agree with most of your well presented logic above and you're right....I don't have a clear, full understanding of the game, but I think I understand what I see....what the camera goes out of it's way to be sure that I see. I see fist-fights that are not even mentioned in the rules of the game. I see bare-knuckle face punches that arn't of pratfall quality and are not done for show.
I will grudgingly accept that if I knew the game better, these violent actions would have their place in my info processing, but I don't and they won't.
I also see referees standing next to these activities as spectators.

How do you feel about Pro Wrestling? Can you agree that it agitates some viewers to a violent degree? I believe it does, but I don't understand Wrestling either. I still tend to believe everybody knows it's choreographed nonsense, but that evidently is not the case. People believe what they want to believe and they most certainly want to believe a Hockey fight is the real thing. I do.

I see a fundamental difference in aggressive football plays performed within the rules and Hockey fights. Peer preasure among the players is utmost. Football doesn't hire street-fighters....Hockey does.





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Let me buy you a Pacifico Dennis at the Palomar "sports bar and grill" in Santo Tomas and we'll watch a game next season!

;D


You're on. I do, of course, have my price.

Thanks for the enlightening discussion. I'll try to be more understanding in the future.....at least before Sharky's.

redhilltown - 6-20-2011 at 04:35 PM

Did you mean your price was MORE than a Pacifico??? ;D

I tried very hard not to use the lame argument "you don't understand"... one of the factors is that many people in U.S. are not familiar with the game growing up and it is virtually impossible to follow much less learn the game on television.

Yes, they are real punches but still a part of the game for now. There use to be horrific bench clearing brawls but like I said, for that action you need to follow baseball and often basketball. If it is an even fight, the referees stand by on purpose as they want the players to tire themselves out first before they move in to break it up...and believe me those guys almost ALWAYS want it broken up as they are whooped. In the old days you would have a point about street fighters and hockey but no longer. You dont make it to the NHL just because you can ONLY fight like the old days. Tough yeah but you better have some skills too.

I hear what you are saying as to violence and spectacles such as wrestling. I have no idea, but I'm sure the argument can be made that watching such events lets some of these clowns burn off emotions and vicariously get tough without actually doing it.

The funny thing is, I basically HATE sports! The rabid fan crap I just dont get but to each their own. But we can all relax a bit, four months now of no hockey!!!!

DENNIS - 6-20-2011 at 06:17 PM

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Originally posted by redhilltown
Did you mean your price was MORE than a Pacifico??? ;D



No.....I'd have split one with you. :biggrin:


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I'm sure the argument can be made that watching such events lets some of these clowns burn off emotions and vicariously get tough without actually doing it.


They should be restricted to watching "Days of our lives."
A buddy of mine in High School was laid up sick at home and all he had to do was watch TV.
Well....one of the prominent daytime programs then was Chef Milani and my bud couldn't stand him, so one day he loaded his 12 Ga. and unloaded the whole thing on Chef Milani.
He lived at home with his parents and had a terrible time explaining that one.

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