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Junior Seau Commits Suicide

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bajadogs - 5-6-2012 at 07:05 PM

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Originally posted by capt. mike
Anything new on that girl found hanging at the mansion on Del Coronado??
cops said suicide others say murder.

I say people with tons of money get away with murder. Period.

Skipjack Joe - 5-6-2012 at 08:18 PM

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Originally posted by Lee

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/05/surfer-paddle-...

A great outpouring of affection here. It's really wonderful to see this.

pappy - 5-7-2012 at 12:49 PM

do we have a motive/reason as to why yet?

BajaDove - 5-7-2012 at 02:48 PM

Over three thousand people hit the beach to surf out and say good-bye to Jr.

sancho - 5-7-2012 at 04:19 PM

1090 am San Diego, says an event re; Seau is going
to be held at Chargers Stadium Mission Valley SD
this Fri., 6:30 pm (I believe), free, free parking
I imagine it will be well attended

The Sculpin - 5-7-2012 at 04:31 PM

"Suicide is always an option."
"There really is no reason to live."

This is the rational and logical way to look at things.

The irrational, emotional and selfish way to look at it is:

"Suicide is wrong"
"There's always something to live for"

If someone is in pain, the medical profession provides pain killers. If the pain is beyond any type of relief, death is not allowed? Why let one person suffer so others can feel good about "relieving their pain" or "helping a friend in need"? And the ones left living have the gall to say "it's a sign of mental illness"?!?

Sorry, but I have seen too much sensless death to condemn someone for bravely taking their own.....

Skipjack Joe - 5-7-2012 at 05:42 PM

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Originally posted by The Sculpin

A. "Suicide is always an option."
"There really is no reason to live."

B. "Suicide is wrong"
"There's always something to live for"

Wow. I find myself agreeing with both sides.

Perhaps closer to my belief would be:

"There's always something to live for but suicide is an option"

DavidE - 5-7-2012 at 06:31 PM

Foreseeing your own death is a nightmare nobody should ever have to face before an old and fruitful fulfillment of life. The mind is powerful. It can outfox itself. It is working when you think it isn't. It can lie to you, sending compelling argument and whispers of futility. Do not ever underestimate it.

DENNIS - 5-7-2012 at 06:47 PM

Have we buried Junior yet? Soon...I hope.

Ateo - 5-7-2012 at 07:36 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Have we buried Junior yet? Soon...I hope.

Yeah, as someone who lives nearby, I'm tired of hearing about it. No offense, but let's get on with life. No one ever lived a single day in the past. This is my last JR. post.

KaceyJ - 5-7-2012 at 08:30 PM

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Originally posted by The Sculpin
"Suicide is always an option."
"There really is no reason to live."

This is the rational and logical way to look at things.

The irrational, emotional and selfish way to look at it is:

"Suicide is wrong"
"There's always something to live for"

If someone is in pain, the medical profession provides pain killers. If the pain is beyond any type of relief, death is not allowed? Why let one person suffer so others can feel good about "relieving their pain" or "helping a friend in need"? And the ones left living have the gall to say "it's a sign of mental illness"?!?

Sorry, but I have seen too much sensless death to condemn someone for bravely taking their own.....

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Sculpin , please , I'm not singling you out , but your poignant comment brings to mind some of my own experiences.

In over 30 years in the medical profession , I can tell you there are terminals you can do nothing about.

But the odds to help a fairly young man are in the patients favour.

I have to believe that being tough or stoic may have been his demise.

Someone just didn't didn't dig deep enough into a possible condition or wasn't given the opportunity to do so.

I'd change "bravely" to unfortunately

JMO

Suicide...

EnsenadaDr - 5-7-2012 at 08:47 PM

In the medical profession, we give a suicidal person two options: one is to receive medications and counseling to work through their feelings,and the other is to act on their feelings. No matter how we feel personally, a patient has a right to make his own decision. And we must respect that decision. It might make us sad, angry or experience a whole gamut of feelings. But in the end, the person decides how they will handle it. That is one of the rights of a patient, to decide his own treatment or lack thereof.

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DENNIS - 5-7-2012 at 08:47 PM

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Originally posted by KaceyJ
I have to believe that being tough or stoic may have been his demise.

Ohhh well....since this is going nowhere, let me add.....I firmly believe "Status Failure"...or loss thereof was a/the prime motivation.
His grandeur, one day real, became a delusion and he couldn't deal with it.

Kinda irreverent even talking about this.

mtgoat666 - 5-7-2012 at 09:58 PM

never ate at his restaurant. was it any good? the fam all looks fat, so must have been big portions, eh? what was he known for cooking?

Fat...

EnsenadaDr - 5-8-2012 at 04:11 AM

Goat, the family is all from Samoa...which may or may not be an excuse...in fact, from what I just read, the family is now having doubts about giving Seau's brain to researchers in Boston, they are consulting with Samoan elders to discuss this. In actuality during the autopsy they probably could have saved some brain tissue for positive identification of any abnormal brain tissue due to multiple hits on the field or degenerative brain disease.

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
never ate at his restaurant. was it any good? the fam all looks fat, so must have been big portions, eh? what was he known for cooking?

David K - 5-8-2012 at 08:15 AM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
never ate at his restaurant. was it any good? the fam all looks fat, so must have been big portions, eh? what was he known for cooking?

Seriously??? Wow... :lol:

mtgoat666 - 5-8-2012 at 02:47 PM

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Originally posted by David K

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
never ate at his restaurant. was it any good? the fam all looks fat, so must have been big portions, eh? what was he known for cooking?

Seriously???

serious!

David K - 5-8-2012 at 05:20 PM

The sports bar/ restaurant he owns is in Mission Valley... He (and probably his parents) lived 35 miles away in Oceanside... I don't think he was a cook at his restaurant (or was very often if at all)... I doubt if his parents went there to eat as a regular habit (if ever)... Samoans are naturally very large people... Did you ever see the movie 'You, Me and Dupree'? Remember 'Paco'... first guess from Dupree was, Paco was Samoan.

Junior Seau was a football player not a restaurant cook... one of the best in the NFL. He had other TV rolls where he traveled the world to perform various jobs to se if he could.

So, no... he wasn't known for his cooking nor is big portions the entire reason for their natural large size.

mtgoat666 - 5-8-2012 at 08:14 PM

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Originally posted by David K
Did you ever see the movie 'You, Me and Dupree'?

Nope!

So his restaurant serves Samoan food? But he did not cook there or eat there? :?:

KASHEYDOG - 5-8-2012 at 08:39 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666

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Originally posted by David K
Did you ever see the movie 'You, Me and Dupree'?

Nope!

So his restaurant serves Samoan food? But he did not cook there or eat there? :?:

Hey goat !! Were you born a butt head or have you been workin' on it all your life???.... :lol:

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bajadogs - 5-8-2012 at 10:46 PM

Hey Baja friends,
This thread has spun off-topic. I started it because I knew many bajanomads are diehard Chargers fans. HI BEACH BOB! Hope you're ok!

I don't know if Junior Seau had ever been to Baja. The only time I saw him in Baja was on the screen at Diana Bar in Tecate on black-out sundays or maybe the Rosarito Beach motel bar. My apologies to those who don't give a flying duck about football. Seriously, I don't care anymore either so I get it. I've seen long threads about Tiger Woods and I never had a "Baja moment" that reminded me of that spoiled punk. Pull this thread if you must Doug. Just remember the Tiger threads rolled on and on because for some damned reason they were related to Baja. :big grin:

Peace

David K - 5-8-2012 at 11:09 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666

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Originally posted by David K
Did you ever see the movie 'You, Me and Dupree'?

Nope!

So his restaurant serves Samoan food? But he did not cook there or eat there? :?:

Who said it served Samoan food? I said it is a sports bar and restaurant in Mission Valley... and the Seau's live in Oceanside. Again, wow! :wow:

He wasn't just an ordinary football star. This tribute speaks volumes about Junior Seau.

KASHEYDOG - 5-10-2012 at 08:11 AM

http://carlsbad.patch.com/articles/up-to-60000-expected-at-p...

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/may/10/tp-stadium-gearin...

[Edited on 5-10-12 by KASHEYDOG]

wessongroup - 5-10-2012 at 08:15 AM

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Originally posted by bajadogs
Hey Baja friends,
This thread has spun off-topic. I started it because I knew many bajanomads are diehard Chargers fans. HI BEACH BOB! Hope you're ok!

I don't know if Junior Seau had ever been to Baja. The only time I saw him in Baja was on the screen at Diana Bar in Tecate on black-out sundays or maybe the Rosarito Beach motel bar. My apologies to those who don't give a flying duck about football. Seriously, I don't care anymore either so I get it. I've seen long threads about Tiger Woods and I never had a "Baja moment" that reminded me of that spoiled punk. Pull this thread if you must Doug. Just remember the Tiger threads rolled on and on because for some damned reason they were related to Baja. :big grin:

Peace

Very good point ....

Check out the Sports Illustrated tribute

thebajarunner - 5-10-2012 at 02:46 PM

Awesome tribute in the current issue.
Including a great aerial photo of the surf board circle and memorial.

lizard lips - 5-11-2012 at 08:30 PM

Just saw the "Celebration of Life" for Junior and it was very nice and fitting. I watched him play so many times and will never forget his go for it attitude. He was way to young to go. I respect him as a great player and as a person for what he gave to San Diego. He didn't have to but went the extra mile for his big heart for those less fortunate.

I have thought a lot about junior this past week but I just can't get it. He must have been so troubled and screwed up mentally that he finally met his demise by his own hand and for that I lost my respect for him. Leaving behind four children and a mother and father and others that loved him so much and never opted to seek medical help of any kind? He was lost and must have been so depressed to do what he did was just plain a slap in the face to anyone who saw him as a role model!

He was one of the greatest defense players of all time. It's all gone now and if he was so depressed that his professional life was finished and he couldn't deal with it............... Well Junior, you blew it buddy. BIG TIME

woody with a view - 5-11-2012 at 08:45 PM

RIP Junior :saint:

you were a legend, you owed us better than this, i hope you find peace.....

KASHEYDOG - 5-11-2012 at 09:48 PM

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Originally posted by woody with a view
RIP Junior :saint:

you were a legend, you owed us better than this, i hope you find peace.....

WOODY !!!

It was never about "YOU or US".....

Really sorry you have so much pain over MY choice.

Can you imagine the pain I had in making my choice??????

TRY......Please....... TRY.....

Maybe someday when you're much older you'll understand.

And yes,

I HAVE found my peace.

Thank you, Woody............
Love Ya, Man......

[Edited on 5-12-12 by KASHEYDOG]

woody with a view - 5-11-2012 at 09:59 PM

i dunno what your "choice" is. don't choose the Junior way, por favor!

all i am saying is i don't appreciate all of the adulation of his bad decision/behavior.

but WTF do i know?

RIP :saint:

mtgoat666 - 5-12-2012 at 07:29 AM

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Originally posted by woody with a view
i dunno what your "choice" is. don't choose the Junior way, por favor!

all i am saying is i don't appreciate all of the adulation of his bad decision/behavior.

but WTF do i know?

RIP :saint:

i agree.

and all he did was play footbal and own a samoan food restaurant that he did not cook or run and then off himself!

adulation of sports stars is the silliest thing people do. it's just entertainment by skilled players. SILLY to ever call them special or "heroes" :lol:

DENNIS - 5-12-2012 at 07:34 AM

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Originally posted by woody with a view
all i am saying is i don't appreciate all of the adulation of his bad decision/behavior.

I have to agree. The irony of yesterday's event, "A celebration of life" is unfitting for a suicide event.

Cypress - 5-12-2012 at 07:39 AM

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Amen!!!

Well said Dennis

thebajarunner - 5-12-2012 at 07:39 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS

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Originally posted by woody with a view
all i am saying is i don't appreciate all of the adulation of his bad decision/behavior.

I have to agree. The irony of yesterday's event, "A celebration of life" is unfitting for a suicide event.

Man, we gotta stop agreeing on everything....
this is getting scary....

wilderone - 5-12-2012 at 07:46 AM

Junior Seau gave a lot to the community through his foundation, his work with children. His restaurant/sports bar adds something unique to San Diego - not one of a chain of restaurants. No, he wasn't a cook at the restaurant - how absurd. I have been to Seau's- had the artichoke and smoked salmon quesadillas - excellent. The Chargers football team is big in San Diego - Junior was one of the best football players and he had thousands of fans. Sorry - you can't negate that fact. You criticize a man who you cannot possibly understand or empathize with. Junior's life was full of love, children, parents, success, adulation, fame. We cannot begin to know what tipped the scales for Junior that day when he felt he could no longer live on earth.

"The irony of yesterday's event, "A celebration of life" is unfitting for a suicide event."
All I have to say to that is you're wrong so shut the eff up.

Cypress - 5-12-2012 at 07:51 AM

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Originally posted by wilderone

"The irony of yesterday's event, "A celebration of life" is unfitting for a suicide event."
All I have to say to that is you're wrong so shut the eff up.

A different opinion. A sports fan has spoken. :biggrin:

DENNIS - 5-12-2012 at 08:02 AM

Me???? Shut up ???? Obviously, you haven't been paying attention. Try to keep up with the tempo of the living.

KASHEYDOG - 5-12-2012 at 09:28 AM

Just a football player ??? .......I think not...

Check it out before you speak. Lest you make an idiot of yourself.............

Junior gave back millions to the communities he loved and the people who loved him............

http://juniorseau.org/

http://www.cityoflamesa.com/index.aspx?NID=394

http://juniorseau.org/archives/1010

http://juniorseau.org/programs

http://juniorseau.org/about-the-foundation/junior-seau

THE JUNIOR SEAU FOUNDATION – www: JuniorSeau.org
From its inception, The Junior Seau Foundation has given San Diego–area youth ongoing support. Established in 1992, the Junior Seau Foundation has raised money and resources for programs that inspire young people to face life’s challenges with enthusiasm, hope and dignity.

In the past ten 10 Years, the Foundation has allocated over $4 million to organizations providing services to children and young adults. (includes annual funding of an endowment) and the Foundation was ranked the 13th largest Professional Athlete Foundation (based on assets) by the Wall Street Journal, April 28, 2007.

Who was Junior Seau?

How do I answer that question?

I want to say what I know from my experience: Junior Seau was a great football player, a passionate performer who gave it everything he had and then some, and more importantly, an inspiration to his community. Junior never forgot his roots. He cared about people he didn’t even know. He gave so much to so many, lifting up countless kids with his Junior Seau Foundation, his “Shop With A Jock” program every holiday season, and even more simply with kind words, messages of positivity, a photo with a fan and his son. Junior loved, and Junior was beloved.

Junior played every play like it was his last. He celebrated big hits with a frenetic celebration which outsiders and skeptics thought of as showboating, but those who understood his ebullient personality knew that there was so much passion inside him, the leg kicking, fist pumping, screaming outbursts were almost uncontrollable.

Seau wasn’t a perfect linebacker. He freelanced, went away from play and formation on instinct, and sometimes left his teammates in a lurch by getting out of position. His defenses picked up a nasty tag of being great for most of the game, then surrendering a key score on the final drive. Despite toiling for 20 years in the NFL and playing on arguably one of the greatest teams of all time, he never won a championship.

But in San Diego, you would never find too many people waiting to criticize Junior Seau. See, Junior was one of us. He grew up here, rose from the poverty of Oceanside, and never forgot his roots. He moved easily among us, always ready to give a little bit of his time, a laugh, a “Hey Buddy how you doin’.” Junior cared. He was a family man, raising three kids even through a divorce.

I want to tell James all of this about Junior Seau. And, probably I will.

But now there is more to say. Much more. And everything I know about Junior Seau, all of my encounters with him, interviews, handshakes and more, contradict how he exited this world.

How could a man so beloved feel so alone? How could a man so giving take away the single most important thing from his three teenage children? How could a man who never gave up on the football field give up on his own life?

The Seau family is debating whether or not to donate Junior’s brain for research. Selfishly, I want them to do so. Selfishly, I want to hear that years of hard hits and undiagnosed concussions led Seau to a dark place medically, not out of free will.

None of us know the real answers, though, and no matter what comes out in a medical journal none of us will truly know what led Junior Seau to pull that trigger. He left us no farewell, no inclination as to why he could do such a thing.

Depression? None of us know what went on inside his mind, in darkened rooms. But those who lived on the Strand still saw him surfing, playing his ukulele, and acting seemingly like the old Junior. Could everything we saw have been a show for the public?

Was his the fire that burned too brightly and consumed him? Again, how will we know?

I want to tell James that Junior was a role model for kids throughout San Diego County, but his final act is one we would like to see no one follow. I want to tell him Junior was a great man who gave of his heart and soul, but what heart of that magnitude could abandon children on this earth, leaving them with a wound that will never heal?

So many questions. Questions which have no answers. How do we celebrate the life of a man who chose to bring his own life to an end, tearing apart the very fabric he helped sew?

I think I’m going to grapple with this for some time. I know there is no easy answer, no one way to put all of these broken bits back together into a coherent picture.

I want to hear that it was CTE or some other brain trauma. It would make it so much easier to explain to James how one of the most positive sports figures I have ever had the privilege of covering could commit the most negative personal act possible.

It would make it so much easier to explain to James why I’ll let him play soccer, baseball, basketball or any other sport, but not football.

What do I tell my son about Junior Seau? What would you tell your child?

Craig Elsten writes at 619Sports.net

soulpatch - 5-12-2012 at 09:44 AM

Sad that we are littering the middle east with bodies and the majority of our country doesn't even think about it.
Those are the stories and photos that should be on the front page every day.
If only we could develop enough sadness and indignation about all the folks dying just doing what they are told overseas.

It is sad that any person has enough personal demons or sadness to do themselves in.
None of us will ever know what was in his head.

Ateo - 5-12-2012 at 09:46 AM

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Originally posted by soulpatch
Sad that we are littering the middle east with bodies and the majority of our country doesn't even think about it.
Those are the stories and photos that should be on the front page every day.
If only we could develop enough sadness and indignation about all the folks dying just doing what they are told overseas.

It is sad that any person has enough personal demons or sadness to do themselves in.
None of us will ever know what was in his head.

YEP!!! Well said.

Cypress - 5-12-2012 at 10:38 AM

soulpatch, We're littering the middle east with bodies? Are you sure about that?

Who are we?

soulpatch - 5-12-2012 at 03:41 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress
soulpatch, We're littering the middle east with bodies? Are you sure about that?

Who are we?

I dunno Cypress! Take a look around!
You may be up in Idaho where all the retired cops go but down here in San Diego you can run into a vet every few feet.
If you care to talk to them for a minute they'll tell you stories about claiming lots of lives..... especially if you spend any time at all on a JC campus.
Probably explains the look in their eyes.

Cypress - 5-12-2012 at 03:57 PM

The look in their eyes? Might just be reflections.

soulpatch - 5-12-2012 at 04:04 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress
The look in their eyes? Might just be reflections.

Indeed, many of them.
You are insightful.
Can't take that away from you. :light:

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