Originally posted by Iflyfish
| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
Given our current economic and political situation, the only thing that I see the US taking the lead in is corporate greed. It's very hard to build
any kind of an altruistic vision for the betterment of the environment when so many more each year are just struggling to survive being fleeced by a
fascist corporatocracy whose quest to monetize everything, knows no bounds, and reduces every good intention at solving environmental problems into
some kind of scheme to enrich themselves. |
Ooooops, with the sprit of this comment you lost me totally-------I simply don't agree with your thrust here. The things you deride are the core of a
Capitolist System---it's what makes it all work. Do you want to throw out the "system"? I sure don't.
barry |
Barry, Do you really think that giant too big to fail, banking conglomerates who manipulate the
monetary and financial system and who are aided, protected, and backstopped by the federal government, really should be the "core" of our economy?
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Well said Monoloco, that ain't loco at all. I thought that the core principals of the country were not to support Capitalism, an economic system.
Preamble to the Declaration of Independence:
"When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and
to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect
to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."
Preamble to the Constitution:
"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common
defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution
for the United States of America..
I don't read the term Capitalism anywhere in these document, do you?
The premise that Laissez-faire Capitalism is the solution to all social and domestic problems is simplistic and absurd, this is the fatal flaw of
Libertarianism. There has NEVER been a Libertarian Nation in all of history, that is because it is an INTELLECTUAL ideal and not a practical way to
deal with issues promoting the COMMON GOOD.
In Libertarianism we find a denial of the need for cooperative activity that promoted the health and welfare of ALL of the citizens. We need a common
currency (my family once owned bank and printed their own) roads, bridges, fire departments, schools, a health care system, first responders, rules
about driving, money to fix pot holes, rules and enforcement of rules related to commerce, money to protect the public health and environment.
The fatal flaw of Capitalism is that wealth accrues to a few and eventually, like Monopoly, someone ends up owning it all. This is what is happening
in the US as we speak and it is fomenting social unrest....see Tea Party and We are the 99%. The Tea Party is better organized by it's political
operatives, the 99% lack organization, the frustration is the same, the corruptness and inequity of the system where Corporate profits have soared and
workers wages and working conditions have deteriorated with the demise of the Union movement.
When Free Boot Capitalism is left unfettered then rebellion ensues...see China prior to Mao. Eventually the people rise up to oppose the oppression
and to fight for social and economic justice, it usually doesn't work and another set of crooks takes over and starts the next round of Monopoly.
The fatal flaw of Socialism is that with central planning all people are provided with enough to meet their needs, creativity and enterprise are
sniffled as there is no reward for innovation....see Russia in the 1950's.
This is why MIXED economies exist, to stabilize these contradictory forces. The issue is how much of a mix works in a society.
Iflyfishwavingaflagofpeace
[Edited on 9-16-2013 by Iflyfish]
[Edited on 9-16-2013 by Iflyfish] |
