BajaNomad - coalition plans to shut down 26 border crossing sept 20

coalition plans to shut down 26 border crossing sept 20

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Bob53 - 9-15-2014 at 11:59 AM

I'm sure the news crews will be there in force broadcasting on every local channel.

dasubergeek - 9-15-2014 at 12:15 PM

http://www.bordertraffic.com/California-Baja/San-Ysidro-Tiju... :biggrin:

DENNIS - 9-15-2014 at 12:22 PM

They had better be flags of surrender. :lol:

Whatever.....this will never happen.

DanO - 9-15-2014 at 01:48 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
They had better be flags of surrender. :lol:

Whatever.....this will never happen.

Awww, I don't want them to give up. As Otter sagely put it in Animal House, this situation requires a really futile and stupid gesture. For our entertainment if nothing else. Maybe a little pep talk would help:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7vtWB4owdE

DENNIS - 9-15-2014 at 02:36 PM

It's verbal terrorism...nothing else. Look at the ruckus they've raised just by announcing their bogus intent. If you were to plan a bank robbery, would you announce your intentions in the newspaper?

SFandH - 9-15-2014 at 02:46 PM

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Originally posted by dasubergeek
http://www.bordertraffic.com/California-Baja/San-Ysidro-Tiju... :biggrin:

Good link. Thanks.

[Edited on 9-15-2014 by SFandH]

SFandH - 9-15-2014 at 02:52 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
It's verbal terrorism...nothing else. Look at the ruckus they've raised just by announcing their bogus intent. If you were to plan a bank robbery, would you announce your intentions in the newspaper?

Are you saying she's operating in some sort of logical manner?

Naw.

She really wants people to drive to the border, stop their cars on the freeway, and get out and walk away.

Yeah! Sure thing baby. I'll abandon my $30,000 car. Just walk away from it.

:lol:

DENNIS - 9-15-2014 at 03:00 PM

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Originally posted by SFandH
Are you saying she's operating in some sort of logical manner?

More than likely she knows what she's doing to advertise her twisted cause...give it exposure. It's the same reason unlikely political candidates, knowing full well they can't win, run for office. To get their agenda out there and perhaps make support deals with the likely winner...thereby winning a compromise.

Jes speculatin' with the possibilities.

.

[Edited on 9-15-2014 by DENNIS]

bajabuddha - 9-15-2014 at 03:33 PM

What's amazing is, these are the same 'make' of people who'd biatch about the immigration issue and self-patrol the border with body armor and loaded weapons, despising illegals; yet IF their hare-brained stunt does materialize, even a little bit, it will pull Law Enforcement and Border Guards off their posts, making a hey-day of the Rio Grande and the useless wall...

I lay 5 to 1 odds it'll turn out just like the Fat Old Man Biker Heck's Angels Wannabe ride did... a fart in a windstorm. NADA.

DENNIS - 9-15-2014 at 04:19 PM

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Originally posted by bajabuddha
it will pull Law Enforcement and Border Guards off their posts, making a hey-day of the Rio Grande and the useless wall...

Not necessary. Just bring in three or four San Diego cops and they can do their patented "shoot first...ask questions later" routine on them.

Bang bang...who are you?

DanO - 9-19-2014 at 03:01 PM

The latest (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/19/us-usa-immigration...):

"Rob Chupp, an organizer of the action publicized as 'Shut Down All Ports Of Entry,' said more than a thousand people are expected to gather across the several states at the same time, 8 a.m. PDT/10 a.m. CDT at targeted checkpoints, park their vehicles in every lane and turn them off.

Chupp said protesters planned to camp out indefinitely, while avoiding trespassing on federal property, and expect the most serious legal consequence to be a traffic ticket.

'If it’s putting people’s safety at risk then we would move, but other than that, we won’t,' Chupp said.

Chupp said a First Amendment area has no boundaries."

I'm guessing that's not based on actual legal advice. Anyway, they have narrowed the POEs down to just 17 out of the original 63.

The San Ysidro group will be meeting up beforehand at the Walmart on Dennery Road in San Diego, according to the "Rally Locations" link on their website. http://www.shutdownallports.com/

Any Nomads in the area planning to observe? If so, please post video to YouTube. I am in desperate need of comic relief, and you can only watch so many of those Russian car crash videos before it gets old.

DENNIS - 9-19-2014 at 03:13 PM

They had better be parked in a parking lot when they vacate their vehicles.

Bob53 - 9-19-2014 at 03:14 PM

It's gonna be ugly and tempers will flare.

willardguy - 9-19-2014 at 03:24 PM

I see jill tahmooressi has withdrew her support and said, uh no thanks! :rolleyes:

Bajaboy - 9-19-2014 at 03:30 PM

We will be crossing about 10am tomorrow. I'll post what I see.

DENNIS - 9-19-2014 at 03:46 PM

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Originally posted by Bajaboy
We will be crossing about 10am tomorrow. I'll post what I see.

Will you leave your keys in the ignition?

bajabuddha - 9-19-2014 at 03:47 PM

I hope DK posts maps on how to safely navigate from the hoosegow to the impound lots.

DENNIS - 9-19-2014 at 03:47 PM

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Originally posted by Bob53
It's gonna be ugly and tempers will flare.

In someone's dreams. :lol:

Bruce R Leech - 9-19-2014 at 04:06 PM

another nonevent? :rolleyes:

elgatoloco - 9-19-2014 at 04:09 PM

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Originally posted by Bajaboy
We will be crossing about 10am tomorrow. I'll post what I see.

Safe travels!

Bob53 - 9-20-2014 at 08:26 AM

I can't find any coverage on the news. Did this happen?

bajagrouper - 9-20-2014 at 09:09 AM

Well it is 9AM and looking at the TJ border camera all traffic seems to be moving right along in both directions.......

Bruce R Leech - 9-20-2014 at 09:12 AM

Big talk no action. :rolleyes:

Ateo - 9-20-2014 at 09:14 AM

They're only gonna make it worse for that marine....

Bajaboy - 9-20-2014 at 09:21 AM

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Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
Big talk no action. :rolleyes:

Now they are qualified to run for the House of Representatives.

[Edited on 9-20-2014 by Bajaboy]

bajalearner - 9-20-2014 at 09:24 AM

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Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
Big talk no action. :rolleyes:

Or, big mouth, no brain.

[Edited on 9-20-2014 by bajalearner]

DanO - 9-20-2014 at 09:41 AM

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Originally posted by bajalearner

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Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
Big talk no action. :rolleyes:

Or, big mouth, no brain.

[Edited on 9-20-2014 by bajalearner]

Both.

DENNIS - 9-20-2014 at 09:43 AM

Well...they got the attention of a lot of people. Their mission is accomplished.

Bruce R Leech - 9-20-2014 at 10:10 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Well...they got the attention of a lot of people. Their mission is accomplished.

yes but who will listen next time :?:

bajalearner - 9-20-2014 at 10:31 AM

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Originally posted by Bruce R Leech

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Well...they got the attention of a lot of people. Their mission is accomplished.

yes but who will listen next time :?:

Next time??? Just a flash in the pan. Since wait times have been so small lately, they would have had to block nearly all lanes to cause a disruption.

Maybe that's what happened to their plan. The blocking vehicles were passed through so fast, they didn't get to block anything. :?:

chippy - 9-20-2014 at 11:23 AM

They cancelled due to supposed threats of violence. :rolleyes:

[Edited on 9-20-2014 by chippy]

BajaNomad - 9-20-2014 at 12:29 PM

Robin Abcarian is with the Los Angeles Times:
http://www.latimes.com/local/la-bio-robin-abcarian-staff.htm...

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DENNIS - 9-20-2014 at 12:39 PM

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Originally posted by Bruce R Leech

Quote:

Originally posted by DENNIS
Well...they got the attention of a lot of people. Their mission is accomplished.

yes but who will listen next time :?:

Everybody pays attention to the unknown.

bajabuddha - 9-20-2014 at 01:22 PM

Yep, fart in a hurricane, just like the fat-boy-biker rally. PPfffftttt...

...pero mucho a pestan.

DanO - 9-20-2014 at 03:10 PM

Threat of mass violence? Excuse me for a moment.

BWAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! HAHAHAHAHA.! Hahaha. Heh.

There. I feel better now.

elgatoloco - 9-20-2014 at 05:54 PM

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Originally posted by BajaNomad
Robin Abcarian is with the Los Angeles Times:
http://www.latimes.com/local/la-bio-robin-abcarian-staff.htm...

Robin Abcarian crossed southbound at 8:02 and was back across the border at 8:15.

#fizzle

brewer - 9-20-2014 at 09:27 PM

Crossed Mexicali east today around 11:30 am. The agent said a couple of protesters showed up earlier and kind of kicked the ground a little. No else showed up, so they left. I think CBP had a plan and were watching activity. I think they wouldld have winched, towed, or rammed their a$$es right out. Boarder wait was 10 minutes.

DENNIS - 9-21-2014 at 08:16 AM

I doubt they're going to vanish without another sideshow of empty promises. They know they have the ear of a curious audience so it might get entertaining before it ends.

Did cartel threats really preempt protest for Marine jailed in Mexico?

BajaNews - 9-23-2014 at 11:44 AM

http://www.latimes.com/local/abcarian/la-me-ra-cartel-threat...

By Robin Abcarian
https://twitter.com/robinabcarian
Sept 22, 2014

It was the blockade that couldn't drive straight.

On Saturday, unknown numbers of Americans angry about the Mexican incarceration of former Marine Sgt. Andrew Tahmooressi, illegal immigration and a bunch of other stuff, were supposed to drive to ports of entry between Mexico and the United States, turn off their engines and form a blockade.

Stasyi Barth, the 41-year-old Lake Elsinore housewife who dreamed up the protest pictured patriots stepping from their cars, waving American flags and forcing officials on both sides of the border to act. Nevermind the Mexican judicial system! Nevermind the intense debate about illegal immigration! Nevermind the billions already spent securing the border!

"We still have a country to defend and protect. This protest will go on!" - Protest organizer Stasyi Barth, who pulled the plug on the demonstration a day and a half later.

This would show Washington, for once and for all that ... well, that some people are so darn mad they are willing to engage in acts of civil disobedience to make their point.

On her Facebook page, Shut Down All Ports, Barth demanded Tahmooressi’s immediate release, and the permanent sealing of the U.S./Mexico border “by means of a military grade fence with razor wire (or similar equivalent) and by adding any and all additional Border Patrol Agents and militarized National Guard members needed to further deter any unauthorized entry.”

Yeah, it was kind of a silly plan. For starters, Tahmooressi is on trial in Mexico, and it's inconceivable that the judge in the case would order his release mid-proceeding because some Americans decided to block traffic.

The protest began to fall apart for real on Thursday.

Barth had been deeply disappointed when Tahmooressi’s mother, Jill, disavowed the action, first on Facebook, where she said the planned demonstration was “not legal, not effective and needlessly inconveniences and endangers others,” and then in a private phone call. Barth had understood, from previous contact with Jill Tahmooressi that the former Marine’s mother was on board.

But Barth rallied: “We still have a country to defend and protect. This protest will go on!” she emailed supporters. Friday, she posted meeting places for each of 17 ports of entry that were to be blocked. The idea was to meet up in parking lots, and caravan to the border.

But Saturday at 2 a.m., in an urgent message, Barth called the whole thing off.

There had been, she said, “an unsubstantiated threat of mass violence to attendees, along with very suspicious activity on the Facebook site … Your lives, and the lives of our law enforcement, are more important than any protest.”

When I spoke to Barth at 6:50 a.m. Saturday, she told me she’d been up all night, and that her partner in the event, a militia goofball named Rob Chupp, who has been “patrolling” the border in Texas, had received threats from “the cartel.” (Chupp is part of the "Patriots" militia group that was in the news recently when one of its members, who was holding a rifle, was shot at by a border patrol officer who mistook him for an armed migrant here illegally.)

I had to suppress a chuckle.

The cartel? I don’t personally know any Mexican drug lords, but I find it hard to believe that anyone engaged in high-stakes smuggling would give a fig about some bumbling American political protesters. Like, wouldn’t a drug lord just wait till Sunday or Monday to resume smuggling operations?

As one commenter on Barth’s Facebook page put it: “I can’t believe you chickened out. You got scared by the drug cartels? This operation was in the US, not in Mexico! Using your logic, the Border Patrol and militias on the border should all pack up and go home!”

I drove to the border Saturday morning before the appointed 8 a.m. protest time. I was curious whether anyone would show up.

The only ones who did, as far as I could tell, were eight cars of California Highway Patrol officers, who had parked along the freeway exit closest to the border, positioned to break up the jam, which never materialized. The officers were standing around their cars, looking relaxed and chatting.

In Arizona, the Nogales International newspaper reported that cops were out in force at the DeConcini Port of Entry in Nogales, but protesters were nowhere to be seen.

I drove into Mexico at 8:02 a.m., turned around, and drove right back out. My cross-border adventure took about 15 minutes. Traffic flowed freely.

Because I was curious, I also retraced the steps of Tahmooressi on the night he was arrested after crossing into Mexico with three loaded guns.

Tahmooressi, 25, has always claimed he accidentally crossed the border and that he never meant to bring his weapons into that country, which has strict antigun laws. In his attorney’s view, this is perhaps his strongest line of defense.

Tahmooressi’s error is easy to spot. On the day he was arrested, Tahmooressi had parked his truck near the border on the U.S. side, and walked or taken a cab into Mexico earlier in the day. In Tijuana, he checked into Hotel Nelson, near the famous Tijuana arch, but checked out a few hours later because the hotel was dingy. “And I didn’t really like what I seen in Tijuana that much anyway with all the authorities and things,” he told Fox News’ Greta Van Sustern on May 30, two months after his arrest. “I didn’t feel very safe or comfortable there.”

So he crossed back into the U.S., got back to his truck around 10 p.m., and drove out of the parking lot onto a street called Camino de la Plaza, just north of the border. He turned left out of the lot, and when he came to a traffic signal, he was facing east, toward Interstate 5, just in front of him. San Diego was on his left, to the north; Mexico was on his right, to the south.

He made a left turn onto what he thought was the northbound Interstate 5 onramp. Unfortunately, that ramp then curved around to the right, and put him on Interstate 5 going south, directly into Mexico, with no exit possible.

It was dark, and who knows what kind of emotional shape he was in. He suffers from PTSD, he may have had a girlfriend on the other side of the border, the day had clearly not gone well for him.

But he missed two prominent road signs warning that his left turn would take him to “Mexico ONLY”—one on the right side of the road, and one hanging from the light signal right in front of him.

His avid supporters, outraged that he is on trial in the first place, like to characterize him as having been "forgotten" by the media. But since shortly after his arrest, Tahmooressi has been the subject of an avalanche of publicity, and appeals for his legal fund. His case is being closely monitored by the State Department, and he has been the subject of numerous letters to the Mexican government by American legislators. On Oct. 1, two Republican congressmen, California's Ed Royce and Arizona's Matt Salmon have scheduled a hearing on Tahmooressi in Washington. Tahmooressi's mother and the talk show host Montel Williams, a former Marine who has devoted his Twitter feed to spreading the word about Tahmooressi (and tamping down some of the sillier rhetoric, like calls for a jail break), are scheduled to testify.

Meanwhile, I wanted to press Barth a bit more about why she decided to cancel the protest. I think she made the right decision, but I had a hard time swallowing the cartel excuse.

She was not available to chat with me at 8:20 a.m. Saturday when I called her from the border to set up a time to meet. “I’ve just taken three Xanaxes,” she told me, sounding very tired and very down.

Six hours later, when I knocked on the door of her handsome Lake Elsinore home, she was still zonked out asleep. Her husband, Byron, invited me in for a few minutes.

“It’s amazing what you can do in your pajamas with a computer and social media,” he said.

I guess that’s one way of looking at it.

By Monday, Barth had taken down her Facebook page and was no longer answering my calls.

DanO - 9-23-2014 at 02:14 PM

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Originally posted by BajaNews
“It’s amazing what you can do in your pajamas with a computer and social media,” he said.

This says it all. It's easy for these armchair warriors to sit behind their keyboards, howl about the unfairness of it all and make ridiculous threats. But when their stupid plans (which are likely to result in their arrest and the impounding of their vehicles) inevitably fall through, they make idiotic excuses for their failure, pop a few pills, and take a nap. Actual law enforcement resources got diverted to deal with these clowns, and this burro thinks it's "amazing."

elgatoloco - 9-23-2014 at 08:55 PM

What they said. :saint:

dasubergeek - 9-24-2014 at 10:36 AM

Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

bajabuddha - 9-24-2014 at 02:19 PM

I see it as a virus that's worse than Ebola or HIV/AIDS. Those illnesses are caused by physical contact or very close proximity. This kind of sickness can be transmitted by telephone and even the World Wide Web. Loads of 'carriers' out there waiting for the disease to be activated in them. The cure? Common Sense and Education; but like Ron White says, "you can't fix stupid".

cocoscabana - 10-18-2014 at 07:45 AM

Crossed the border at Tecate yesterday day at 1pm. No one going northbound. Southbound only 3 vehicles.

we were trying to camp at Potrero before crossing. When we arrived there, the campground was totally empty. The attendant would not allow us to camp as "the park is full, reserved". So we were obliged to cross the border and stay in Ensenada.

Would this have anything to do with the protest scheduled for this weekend?

willardguy - 10-18-2014 at 07:58 AM

I think you missed it by a month :?:

cocoscabana - 10-18-2014 at 08:20 AM

Didn't they plan another one for October 20th? Saw it on the news.

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