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rts551 - 10-17-2014 at 08:57 AM

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The really sad part is (I think) that we all want the same thing, ie. to be happy and healthy. How we achieve that is where we split ways. YES

For some here it is to demigod corporations and American business. To put their trust in government bureaucrats who are often thousands of miles removed from where they want to micro manage. To punish success and reward failure. To redistribute wealth with the result of making us all poor, and somehow that is the only way to be fair. TALKING POINT FROM THE EXTREME....NO FACT HERE!

For the rest it is to have a choice and pick the best available things for our needs. To use our money to support business (which hires and pays workers and makes a profit which is returned to investors and pays taxes). To have money to help others, and improve our lives. To want everyone to have success. Instead of lowering people to be fair, let's raise people through employment and opportunity. Corporations must do what the people want since it is their dollars that keep a corporation alive. They must compete for your business by making the best product at the best price. The people choose with their dollars. CORPORATIONS DO WHAT MAKES A PROFIT EVEN IF IT DOES NOT HELP MOST PEOPLE

My advice, don't trust government... be wary of anything they do. We hope they do right or that they can't do too much damage while in power. Sometimes government does do good and only those things the Constitution outlines as its duties. Other times the government ignores the Constitution and uses presidential powers in dictatorial actions that are claimed to be for the good of the people but instead are for job security for the bureaucrats. TURNS OUT THAT MOST THINGS UNCONSTITUTIONAL ARE PASSED BY STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT OR DONE IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR. NOT BY THE PRESIDENT. CHECK SUPREME COURT RULINGS ON CONSTITUTIONALITY.

Power belongs to the people and government is supposed to serve the people to do only those things the people cannot do on their own: to protect people from force or fraud.

THE PEOPLE SPOKE....YOU JUST DON'T WANT TO LISTEN.

wessongroup - 10-17-2014 at 09:09 AM

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David K - 10-17-2014 at 09:14 AM

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BRAVO! Things haven't changed, have they? :lol:

rts551 - 10-17-2014 at 10:30 AM

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Funny that you added your philosophy inside of my post quote (IN CAPS)... but it wasn't what I wrote, so shouldn't be in my quoted box...?

Just how bad do you want America to decline in the world until you're happy Ralph?

Best way to comment on your post directly. Caps so you might just read it. What you can not respond? Makes you feel uneasy? the days your father took care of you are gone my friend. Some do not believe the U.S.A. is in decline and are happy now. The just believe people should quit whining and get a job. Because those have chosen not to look at alternatives in the job market, they will become a drain on others in their declining years.

motoged - 10-17-2014 at 11:04 AM

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.... Because those have chosen not to look at alternatives in the job market, they will become a drain on others in their declining years.

Are you suggesting that DK look beyond watering lawns as a career? And that he might end up on welfare later?

rts551 - 10-17-2014 at 11:21 AM

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.... Because those have chosen not to look at alternatives in the job market, they will become a drain on others in their declining years.

Are you suggesting that DK look beyond watering lawns as a career? And that he might end up on welfare later?

If the shoe fits?

For some people, I don't see much planning for retirement. Don't know what happens to their health care if their spouse dies. They have no home. What are they going to do in their premier years?

If the shoe fits?

rts551 - 10-17-2014 at 11:36 AM

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LOL... I have been in the irrigation industry for 34 years now, and until just about 6 years ago has served me quite well. I am the best at what I do, and all my business is word of mouth from happy clients. I also do a few other related services as well as my writing and lecturing (which sells books).

I complain about this government only because it didn't need to destroy or try and destroy American prosperity. It is prosperity that allows people to buy and spend money on things that they like and want and not just need to have. Landscape and home improvements take a second place behind keeping a home in the first place. The government should not be the thing that grows when the people have to cut back. Government does not create wealth, it only takes it away.

I am now winding down in life since my children are adults and taking care of themselves. After 34 years in this industry, is it not a surprise that I won't have a chance to master a new trade and get priority hiring, at my age? I think I will hang on to what I do best, and continue to provide high quality irrigation and landscape lighting systems as well as teach history of Old California and provide guide service upon request.

OH please. Then why haven't you ever had a business license (information is available on-line)? Why haven't you ever saved enough for a home...for retirement? You complain about this government because it is convenient for you to do so. You made your choices over the last 30 some years...live with them, but do not make excuses.

Now lets get back to this frackin business.

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wessongroup - 10-17-2014 at 12:16 PM

One should be able to laugh a little about "politics" ....

This guy was great at bring a little humor to the discussion on same ...

I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat.

Will Rogers

there may be an increase of interest in "drip" .... if we don't get any rain this winter ... just saying

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rts551 - 10-17-2014 at 12:41 PM

Geeze Dave, this is frackin crazy. If you are going to post your life on the internet then EVERYONE is going to know about you and your life and your politics, etc (I remember you postin about your breakup). And if you family members post their lives, where they work, photos, etc, then everybody is going to know that too. Live with it... and its a lesson to others that think the internet is a place to bare all.

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Please stop pretending you know ANYTHING about me... I have had a business license always when I was self employed.

I raised two children as a single father and their mother never paid a dime in child support. I made enough to provide a nice home for the three of us, and for 6 when I remarried for 5 years, when the kids were small. I could afford to rent a home in a nice area, have a work truck that could go off road too, and take us camping for fun. That was all, but for me was enough.

After my youngest turned 18 and had moved out, I married again and we were going to be able to save for our future. Sadly instead of things staying the same (or growing as it had been since I began my business) the democrats had taken over congress and made banking regulations which doomed new home ownership or property investing. That hurt all of us in the home improvement business.

I will ask again, stop fixating on me and my life. I don't hide and shouldn't have to. This is a place were Baja should be a common thread for friendship.

bajabuddha - 10-17-2014 at 01:30 PM

"This is a place were Baja should be a common thread for friendship." ~Quote from our DK.

You make a lot of friends calling over half the people here losers, liars, and destroyers of the American Way. Don't you get dizzy way up there on all of those soap boxes? I didn't think they could pile it that high... soap boxes, that is.

Sweetwater - 10-17-2014 at 01:40 PM

I still waiting for 805gregggs post limit to kick in.............

David K - 10-17-2014 at 06:01 PM

I only ask for truth... I never called any Nomad a loser or follow every post any one Nomad makes to belittle him with snide or untrue comments. I have apologized any time I strayed, I am not perfect, but I have NEVER received an apology from any of the many name callers who insulted me.

Sweetwater - 10-18-2014 at 09:42 AM

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Anyone who has experienced the Boom/Bust economy that comes with the other issues that are in the article.
Circa 1969, Sweetwater county, Wyoming, Jim Bridger Power Plant. Small, towns with a rugged history swell by 3-5 times the stable population. Kinda like the current Dakota experiences, returning 'Nam vets take high paying jobs, live in tent camps (not so many RV's back in that day). Nam vets were notorious for being battle hardened, violent and wanting their vices, drugs and women. It took the area 25 years to recover and many residents died in that process. But that's just my experience so I'm sure you have an objective view........

Also, since you seem to believe yourself to be the only expert, I grew up working the original fracs in the Johah field, Pinedale Anticline and Wamsutter field....I've got history working ranches, fields and underground mining throughout the late '60s, 70's and so on. I'm happy to exchange stories and real information about these topics. I would also point out that those areas bear little resemblance to what they looked like 50 years ago. 5 acre well pads, roads, gas condensers, well heads, pipelines and those pesky dumps of both solid and liquid waste.

My bro' in law has been a well inspector for Wyoming for 3 decads and I've run an OIL/Natural Gas blog elsewhere on the interwebs for well over a decade....happy to swap credentials with you if you have more than industry sponsored hype to share........

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dtbushpilot - 10-18-2014 at 03:23 PM

What a relief, I was getting tired of carrying the ball as "the only expert" about oilfield issues on Nomad. I've spent the last year scouring stories on the internet pouring over every internet blog I can find to sound like the local expert on all things "energy". I was about to run out of "industry sponsored hype", this couldn't have come at a better time. To tell you the truth it is like a stone has been lifted off my head, it is actually a relief to have been "found out". I'm going to seek out a group, perhaps a 12 step program to try to get my life back.

You've got the ball sweetwater, run with it....

MMc - 10-18-2014 at 04:22 PM

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"This is a place were Baja should be a common thread for friendship." ~Quote from our DK.

You make a lot of friends calling over half the people here losers, liars, and destroyers of the American Way. Don't you get dizzy way up there on all of those soap boxes? I didn't think they could pile it that high... soap boxes, that is.

Show me where I single out any Nomad (who has not attacked me first) with name calling. Show me where I told any Nomad he was a loser. Half of what people? I am here to help others and make friends.

Some of you might be here to troll for drama and some follow me around because they know I don't back down or they hope to gain some points with their comrades if they get me to leave?

I don't back down from my American beliefs and don't expect others to change theirs... just stop trying to destroy mine.

I have made a lot of effort to make a being part of the Baja Internet a fun and informative place... I organized get-togethers and helped others do the same, so we can meet, have fun, learn, and more.

I disagree with DK on many things Baja but I do not remember him calling anybody names or personally attacking them first, He might baited a few. He has every right to post what he does and some of us can disagree.

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LancairDriver - 10-18-2014 at 04:44 PM

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.... Because those have chosen not to look at alternatives in the job market, they will become a drain on others in their declining years.

Are you suggesting that DK look beyond watering lawns as a career? And that he might end up on welfare later?

I give DK credit for being a tax dollar producer rather than a tax dollar parasite.
Which side do you fall in on?

Bajaboy - 10-18-2014 at 05:30 PM

David, on occasion, you have made some insensitive remarks. You have called me a union thug and a socialist along with others. Do I care? No. Bottom line is this forum should be about Baja and not our political beliefs.

Oh what the frack am I talking about, I think it's great that David is able to contribute cost of all the unfunded wars and tax breaks for Big Oil. :lol:

rts551 - 10-18-2014 at 05:38 PM

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Thank you amigos... I truly don't want any enemies among Baja Nomads. I am sorry if I upset anyone that thinks differently about the purpose of government than I. I only like to discuss topics and if you can promote't your views, then I want to promote mine, that's all. I would far rather talk here about Baja... camping, off roading, history, and the like.

As far as tax payer... oh indeed yes, if I didn't pay so much tax money, I could have a retirement savings and more Baja fun trips! 4 times a year I pay thousands as a self employed business owner.

Now, let's have fun... and until I have a Mr. Fusion on my Tacoma, I need gasoline... so drill baby drill!

I am impressed. Thousands 4 times a year in tax payments.. You should be happy with the economy the way it is. Now I know why you don't take trips...You are too busy...figuring all those tax payments

David K - 10-18-2014 at 05:39 PM

I would like to see quotes where I called you those names Zac. If I did than I am sorry. To me Union thugs are those people you pay dues to who live in La Costa and cause problems that hurt everyone. If you are a socialist, I hope that will change with maturity, but it doesn't affect my friendship feelings and I again don't remember calling you that. Sorry.
Thank God for Big Oil so we can drive to Baja (and to work). I hope you like contributing to Big Government... but just what product does it make that we all need?

Bajaboy - 10-18-2014 at 05:41 PM

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I would like to see quotes where I called you those names Zac. If I did than I am sorry. To me Union thugs are those people you pay dues to who live in La Costa and cause problems that hurt everyone. If you are a socialist, I hope that will change with maturity, but it doesn't affect my friendship feelings and I again don't remember calling you that. Sorry.
Thank God for Big Oil so we can drive to Baja (and to work). I hope you like contributing to Big Government... but just what product does it make that we all need?

We pay our taxes so we can go to war to protect Big Oil :light:

Group hug!

David K - 10-18-2014 at 05:44 PM

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I am impressed. Thousands 4 times a year in tax payments.. You should be happy with the economy the way it is. Now I know why you don't take trips...You are too busy...figuring all those tax payments

Yes, people in business are required to file quarterly... Employees have it taken out of their paycheck before they get to touch it. That's kind of sad because it isn't as painful to see what is taken from you. I have a tax accountant figuring all my taxes. I am busy praying for a government that represents the working man and business owner... not the crooks who are screwing up America now.

DianaT - 10-18-2014 at 05:48 PM

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I disagree with DK on many things Baja but I do not remember him calling anybody names or personally attacking them first, He might baited a few. He has every right to post what he does and some of us can disagree.

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Well, he has called people names, including strongly suggesting that they are lying ---- one must see things his way, to avoid that. Has happened a lot over the years.

But, he will continue to blame others for everything that was not so good in his life, his participation around here and his lack of business --- ad nauseum. So that is the end of this! amen.

Except it is a good time to get some cheese to go along with the inevitable whine.

rts551 - 10-18-2014 at 05:59 PM

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Oh no. Diane.. thousands quarterly. This means he is pushing the threshold of small business.

We need \to apologize. hink about it. How does he even have time to be to poster per day?

MMc - 10-18-2014 at 06:03 PM

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OK, maybe he has called people names. I am very thick skinned and could never be insulted by anybody on this board.
As for blaming others for his life condition I think he owns that on a personal level, it is the macro he has issues with.
Now can we get back to Baja. David loves that we are posting about him. I'm over it.

bajabuddha - 10-18-2014 at 06:04 PM

Let me put a different cant on the current whine; my parents taught me to not discuss ''politics and religion'' at the public table, only in private, and then just discuss; otherwise will lead to the inevitable irreconcilable arguments. How about talking about your personal sex life or your toilet habits? Hey, how was your bowel movement today?? As good as your political one?? IT'S ALL PERSONAL PREFERENCE, DK. Opinions, especially political, are like rectums; everyone has (at least) one. They all smell about the same, and your own doesn't stink... rule of thumb (pun intended). This is not a political forum; OT is. A few posts above you bring up Hitler and Iraq, and of course, you can justify it by way of Big Oil, but jeez, Sparky... get a grip. Folks aren't attacking you, they're just tired of your 2 pounds of bullpuckey in a one pound bag.

STICK TO MAPS.

GET ON THE BALLOT, MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD.

LIGHTEN UP, LENORE.

whew. Back to you, Chet.

LancairDriver - 10-18-2014 at 07:40 PM

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So far a lot of accusations of name calling and no backup with facts...from any of the whining parties. Maybe time to put the examples up or stfu.

DianaT - 10-18-2014 at 08:12 PM

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So far a lot of accusations of name calling and no backup with facts...from any of the whining parties. Maybe time to put the examples up or stfu.

Nah --- it has been rehashed over and over again, dug up over and over again, and no need to do it again. Very time consuming. Baja can be seen in many ways. Sorry it got your hackles up ---

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Sweetwater - 10-19-2014 at 12:00 PM

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What a relief, I was getting tired of carrying the ball as "the only expert" about oilfield issues on Nomad. I've spent the last year scouring stories on the internet pouring over every internet blog I can find to sound like the local expert on all things "energy". I was about to run out of "industry sponsored hype", this couldn't have come at a better time. To tell you the truth it is like a stone has been lifted off my head, it is actually a relief to have been "found out". I'm going to seek out a group, perhaps a 12 step program to try to get my life back.

You've got the ball sweetwater, run with it....

Nice deflection......again......Good luck with that agenda....if it meets your needs......go with it.......

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micah202 - 10-20-2014 at 10:48 AM

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....current fuel prices point to an interesting irony....apparently the glut in oil and natural gas combine with a slowing economy to drive oil prices,,investment,,and share prices down :wow:

.......but hey,,gas is cheap---drive ON!!! :bounce:

mtgoat666 - 10-20-2014 at 12:11 PM

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....current fuel prices point to an interesting irony....apparently the glut in oil and natural gas combine with a slowing economy to drive oil prices,,investment,,and share prices down :wow:

.......but hey,,gas is cheap---drive ON!!! :bounce:

Global temps skyrocketing. Global warming real. Petro economy is Bad for your lungs, bad for climate. Alternative energy now! Real cost to society for petro economy is bad health, climate change, wars over control of oil producing lands. Price at pump maybe cheap. True cost to society is paid by others.

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micah202 - 10-20-2014 at 01:36 PM

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.......but hey,,gas is cheap---drive ON!!! :bounce:

...yeh,,many would agree,,,,some not

mtgoat666 - 10-20-2014 at 02:07 PM

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.......but hey,,gas is cheap---drive ON!!! :bounce:

...yeh,,many would agree,,,,some not

air pollution from combustion of fossil fuels causes untold numbers of respiratory diseases and premature death.

our reliance on plastic packaging is fossil fuel waste run amok. the plastic causes untold diseases from our consumption of phthalates and other compounds whose health effects we don't even know of.

wars over oil-producing regions causes untold deaths, and wastes enormous amount of government resources that would be better spent on domestic infrastructure and education.

the damage of ecosystems is immense.

and all you numb nuts think about is thew price per gallon at the gas pump and the kWhr rate you pay to run your AC in your over-sized cookie cutter stucco box on the hill.

try walking to the store, get rid of your lard butt, and conserve a little bit of fuel.

try planting a tree to shade your house and conserve a little electricity.

do you really need to drink all that water from single use plastic container? cant you use that reusable water bottle?

try taking up an active sport like hiking or biking instead of passive offroading that only increases the girth of your lard butt.

it's not easy being green!

give a hoot, don't pollute!

reduce, reuse, recycle!

Don't be mean, be green!

Show you care, do your share!

Global warming is not cool!

"We all moan and groan about the loss of the quality of life through the destruction of our ecology, and yet every one of us, in our own little comfortable ways, contributes daily to that destruction. It's time now to awaken in each one of us the respect and attention our beloved Mother deserves." - Ed Asner

Beyond Fracking

motoged - 10-20-2014 at 02:50 PM

And it's not just the frackin' issue.

I was moved by these two documentaries I saw on the Knowledge Network last week....so simple, yet so powerful; you can watch these on yer 'puter:

https://www.knowledge.ca/program/sand-wars

https://www.knowledge.ca/program/dirt-movie

dtbushpilot - 10-20-2014 at 03:06 PM

Watched a pretty good show on CNN last night: "This is life with Lisa Ling", the topic was the oil boom in Williston ND. It covered pretty much every aspect of the good and bad associated with the current boom taking place there, all sides seemed represented, a lot of info on the topics covered in this thread. It will air again 10-24 evening after Anderson Cooper 360. Check it out....

dtbushpilot - 10-20-2014 at 08:06 PM

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Please tell us more about your experience in the Jonah Field, Pinedale anticline and Wamsutter field. Back in the day (70's) I was aware of some activity in those areas and there was even a proposal by El Paso Natural Gas to use small nuclear explosions underground to fracture the formation to stimulate gas production ( a frontrunner to today's fracking techniques). They tried the same thing at a site near Farmington NM where I worked called the "Gas Buggy" site. It didn't work, probably why they didn't follow through with it in Pinedale.

You say you were involved in the original "fracks" in the 60's 70's etc. Tell me more, what did you do, what company did you work for? Those areas were explored and somewhat developed "back in the day" but lay dormant until around 2000 when new techniques in fracturing and well stimulation started a new boom in the region. Were you still working there then?

It's good to have friends and family in the business, tell us more about your brother in law. He was a "well inspector" for Wyoming? Did he work for the state? What part of the well process was he in charge of inspecting? What is his feeling about all this fracking business?

I can relate to your stories about how things are in a boom town environment, there aren't many towns that can easily deal with their population growing exponentially in a short period especially when it is primarily men with nowhere to live, away from their families and with lots of money to burn. It's a volatile combination for sure. Farmington was a bit "rough and tumble" when I moved there in '72 but it was experiencing it's 3rd boom so it wasn't so bad. Today it is a large town with lots of good things going on, a great place to raise a family. Whodathunk it from a boom town?

You say the area doesn't look like it did 50 years ago, I don't doubt it. Where do you live now? What did it look like 50 years ago?

I don't know where you get the notion that I think I'm the only "expert" in the field, I'm just sharing my thoughts and feelings based on my experiences. It's good to have input from someone with real world experience rather than relying on opinions form some "wannabe journalist" posting on some obscure blog regardless of it's ideology. I for one am glad you spoke up.

I don't have the advantage of running an Oil/natural gas blog to get differing views from experts in the field. Could you provide a link to your blog, I'd like to peruse it. You may find this hard to believe but I do read things from liberal sources and consider myself to be "pro environment". I hope I'm not being presumptuous in assuming that your blog might be left leaning, I meant no offense.

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[Edited on 10-21-2014 by dtbushpilot]

LancairDriver - 10-20-2014 at 09:21 PM

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.......but hey,,gas is cheap---drive ON!!! :bounce:

...yeh,,many would agree,,,,some not

Did you drive your Tesla today? :lol:

Sweetwater - 10-20-2014 at 09:24 PM

Geez.

After all that editing, I'm not sure who I'm supposed to be answering to and how much personal information you think I'm supposed to provide......but Ged has been privy to my blog and you'll have to join AdvRider to read it, it's in one of the member only areas....as to the rest, read the blog and if you have specifics, that's ok by me. I'm not DK and I won't be posting my life story here.....if you'd care to post yours, I'm all ears.....

And yup, underground nuclear blasts were the original Fracing proposal that was introduced after the discovery that the Jonah Field contained the "largest" methane field in the world....at that time.... 1960's.....

Edit: In the interest of sharing information, the first time I drove through the 4 corners area was about 33 years ago and with the overwhelming air pollution of the Navajo Power plant and the obvious beginnings of the "drill baby drill" just beginning to be evident, I remarked that this reminded me of my home town in SW Wyoming.....and I wondered if that population was prepared for the astounding degradation of their environment that was coming.....

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David K - 10-20-2014 at 09:37 PM

My life story is not or will not be in 'nutzoid' thread thank you very much.

micah202 - 10-20-2014 at 10:14 PM

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My life story is not or will not be in 'nutzoid' thread thank you very much.

....better now? :biggrin:

dtbushpilot - 10-20-2014 at 10:14 PM

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Geez.

After all that editing, I'm not sure who I'm supposed to be answering to and how much personal information you think I'm supposed to provide......but Ged has been privy to my blog and you'll have to join AdvRider to read it, it's in one of the member only areas....as to the rest, read the blog and if you have specifics, that's ok by me. I'm not DK and I won't be posting my life story here.....if you'd care to post yours, I'm all ears.....

And yup, underground nuclear blasts were the original Fracing proposal that was introduced after the discovery that the Jonah Field contained the "largest" methane field in the world....at that time.... 1960's.....

Edit: In the interest of sharing information, the first time I drove through the 4 corners area was about 33 years ago and with the overwhelming air pollution of the Navajo Power plant and the obvious beginnings of the "drill baby drill" just beginning to be evident, I remarked that this reminded me of my home town in SW Wyoming.....and I wondered if that population was prepared for the astounding degradation of their environment that was coming.....

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Well, I must say I'm a bit disappointed. You said you had experience and were willing to share but when now you don't want to. Ok, never mind.

I am a member of advrider although I don't go there as much as I used to, I'll see if I can find your blog. Do you use the same name there? It's a big site, a little help would be appreciated. if not I will break down and ask ged but I'd rather break a leg than talk to that guy.

33 years ago, around 1981 or so. Boy that jogs some memories. It was the beginning of one of the biggest bust cycles in the local oil and gas industry. I was an independent rig welder back then, living large in a mobile home park with a 16' aluminum boat and 1974 Pinto station wagon. I went weeks at a time with no work but with the help of family managed to get by. I was able to get a few months work at the APS power plant during an overhaul, it got us off of food stamps.

I remember the pollution from the power plants back then, the smoke drifted for miles and you could shovel the fly ash from the surrounding desert. Thankfully through environmental awareness and government regulations (see there, some government intervention is good) there have been many changes and upgrades to both of the coal fired power plants in the area. I think they have both come close to their life expectancy and will be shut down some time in the not too distant future. Fortunately for the local population the air is clean, the rivers and lakes are full of fish, the local deer and elk population is some of the best in the country and we enjoy hundreds of square miles of BLM managed public lands to recreate in. It really is some beautiful country. I'm happy to report that the impending doom you feared back then never came to fruition.

We used to go deer hunting in the Carson National Forrest a few miles East of Farmington, the deer hunting there is world class. The Gas Buggy site is in the area, it is one of 3 sites where a nuclear explosion was used to try to "frack" a gas well. It worked but the gas was radioactive and not commercially usable (whoda saw that coming). Good thing it didn't work, imagine what fracking might look like today?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK5a_1NrGrI

This is a pretty cool video about it.

I don't mind sharing stories or information about myself with people that are interested, if there is anything in particular that you are curious about ask away...

bajabuddha - 10-20-2014 at 10:17 PM

Sweetwater, I drove through Aneth and Montezuma Creek in July. Still REEKS of fumes. Let's blame it on 'small oil'.

Also did EMS in the area a few years; no health hazards there, long or short-term. And, Fox News is ALWAYS correct.......... NOT.

Far's "My life story is not or will not be in 'nutzoid' thread thank you very much.".... fabulous title.

.............the thread continues...........

motoged - 10-20-2014 at 10:23 PM

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Originally posted by dtbushpilot
...I am a member of advrider ..... I'll see if I can find your blog.... if not I will break down and ask ged but I'd rather break a leg than talk to that guy. ....

DT,
Here ya go, buddy.....next time I will lead YOU into the silt beds :biggrin:

Read all about frackin breaking a leg:

[Edited on 10-21-2014 by motoged]http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=666961&highlight=slapped+provocation

[Edited on 10-21-2014 by motoged]

Sweetwater - 10-20-2014 at 10:30 PM

Well, OIL/Gas Rants would be the place to start....for dt

Beyond that, disappointment is relative to expectations....and we all know about her.....

The real issue that this thread originally was based upon is the process of hydraulic fracturing....fracing.....or commonly known as now as fracking....

Because it involves the basis of carbon based life forms, water, the different practices of fracking have been the source of many environmental issues and the bane of the industry. Since I come from humble origins and don't really have skin in the game, either personal or family, at this time, I'm totally comfortable informing people about the real outcomes of the energy industry and it's impact on communities, physical and social developments. I am so touched by the outpouring of interest in my personal and family life and circumstances but those are not the issue that presents when towns, counties and states make decisions about corporate developments that benefit some and exploit others. I know those stories and I grew up with folks in pretty much all of those categories. Challenge that and that's OK with me.....but I won't be intimidated into silence. Que Sera, Sera.......

Sweetwater - 10-20-2014 at 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by motoged

Quote:

Originally posted by dtbushpilot
...I am a member of advrider ..... I'll see if I can find your blog.... if not I will break down and ask ged but I'd rather break a leg than talk to that guy. ....

DT,
Here ya go, buddy.....next time I will lead YOU into the silt beds :biggrin:

Read all about frackin breaking a leg:

[Edited on 10-21-2014 by motoged]http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=666961&highlight=slapped+provocation

[Edited on 10-21-2014 by motoged]

How many times do I get to see those x-rays..........

Let me save you the time/inquiry....be sure to start at the beginning....otherwise, you might get the wrong impression......

http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69938

dtbushpilot - 10-20-2014 at 11:15 PM

I feel bad that I made fun of you when you broke your leg. I didn't feel bad until we got back to San Ignacio and saw the blood pooling in your foot, I figured it was broken....but then I called you names till you put your boot back on your broken leg and rode some more. Don't thank me, that's what friends are for. Imagine how embarrassed you would feel if I called a helicopter to fly you out of there like you wanted me to do....Your friends think you are a badass biker dude that will ignore a bone sticking out of your pants to keep riding.....I helped make you "that guy".....No need to thank me...no really...

wessongroup - 10-21-2014 at 07:37 AM

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Let's blame it on 'small oil'.

A keeper ... :lol:

motoged - 10-21-2014 at 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by dtbushpilot
I feel bad that I made fun of you when you broke your leg..... Imagine how embarrassed you would feel if I called a helicopter to fly you out of there like you wanted me to do....

David,
There is a limit to the disrespect and misrepresentation of the truth that I am willing to put up with....

I DID NOT want a helicopter....I believe I requested a nurse or two to attend to the swelling and blood pooling, a masseuse to soothe my aching body, and a few nubile female "attendants" to see to my other needs.

But "NO....." ...you simply and callously responded with, "If you can ride, we should continue to Asuncion so you can sit around there looking for sympathy instead of suffering in the parking lot here at Rice and Beans for three days" until my friends returned
to the bus .

I do not want to spoil any of the distorted impressions any Nomads may already have of me... :biggrin:

Cypress - 10-21-2014 at 11:00 AM

How'ed you break your leg? :?:

motoged - 10-21-2014 at 11:04 AM

Crashed my motorcycle in a silt bed.....first gear going slow, bike fell and my left foot twisted backwards 180 degrees....nothing too extreme or romantic....

Ride report: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=666961

Cypress - 10-21-2014 at 11:14 AM

Ouch!

motoged - 10-21-2014 at 11:15 AM

yeah....it fracked me up for a few months.... :saint:

dtbushpilot - 10-21-2014 at 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by motoged
Crashed my motorcycle in a silt bed.....first gear going slow, bike fell and my left foot twisted backwards 180 degrees....nothing too extreme or romantic....

Ride report: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=666961

The description of your crash says it all, if you had been on the pegs, head over the bars and on the gas you wouldn't have crashed.....on the other hand you wouldn't have gotten all that sympathy and soothing from the he/she we met in the bar in San Ignacio....BTW, are you two still an item, you were such a cute couple even if he/she was a foot taller than you. :lol:

He/she was pretty fracking hot!

Edited to include the word "fracking" so as not to hijack the thread..

[Edited on 10-21-2014 by dtbushpilot]

dtbushpilot - 10-21-2014 at 11:38 AM

I have a different memory of that day's ride:
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=51816

Cisco - 10-22-2014 at 12:15 PM

http://www.globalpossibilities.org/tag/fracking/

Cisco - 10-22-2014 at 01:27 PM

California’s Dwindling Water Supply Is Contaminated, and More

Oct 22, 2014 Posted by Casey Coates Danson

[Translate]Video Report VIA TRUTHOUT

In today’s On the News segment: The last thing Californians needed was to learn that some of their dwindling water supply has been contaminated; last week, a lab official pleaded guilty to conspiracy to violate the Clean Water Act; the Nuclear Regulatory Commission is considering whether to extend Diablo Canyon’s operating license for another 20 years; and more.

TRANSCRIPT :

You need to know this. California is already dealing with the worst drought in that state’s history. So, the last thing residents needed was to learn that some of their dwindling water supply has been contaminated. Back in June, California regulators shut down 11 fracking injection wells after finding that wastewater may have contaminated aquifers. The Environmental Protection Agency ordered the state to send a full report, which the California State Water Resources Board turned in earlier this month. The board confirmed that at least nine of the fracking sites in question were dumping waste into aquifers used for drinking water and farm irrigation. The Center for Biological Diversity obtained a copy of the letter that the board sent to the EPA, which revealed some alarming information. That letter said about three billion gallons of fracking wastewater was pumped into injection wells and seeped into aquifers near the center of that state. Water samples taken from these areas have extremely high levels of carcinogens and toxins like thallium and arsenic. Timothy Krantz of the University of Redlands, said, “The fact that high concentrations are showing up in multiple water wells close to wastewater injection sites raises major concerns about the health and safety of nearby residents.” Considering that many of California’s reservoirs are already sitting at about half of their historic average, that state can’t afford to lose access to any of their drinking water. But, thanks to the fossil fuel industry, residents may have to risk consuming dangerous chemicals or risk going thirsty. This is exactly why they can’t be trusted. It’s time for a complete moratorium on natural gas drilling, and time to end our addiction to fossil fuels.

Cisco - 10-22-2014 at 01:59 PM

We were promised methane regulations! Where are our methane regulations?!

Oct 21, 2014
[Translate]

London Permaculture

By Heather Smith GRIST
To the tune of “How Do You Solve a Problem Like Maria?”: How do you solve a problem like methane? If you can figure out how to keep it from floating away into the atmosphere, you can burn it as fuel. If you can’t, it drifts up into the troposphere, where it hangs out, accelerating climate disruption and not doing anyone any good (unless you’re a fan of the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum).In some cases, methane is just gonna drift because that’s something the earth does sometimes (SEE: Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum). But there are two main sources of methane leakage that are clearly our fault: the stuff that drifts out of poorly maintained natural gas pipes (and sometimes explodes), and the stuff that’s being released as a byproduct of the fracking boom in places like North Dakota and Texas. Sometimes it is flared off (you can see that from space); other times, it’s just vented.

The technology to capture that methane and use it exists (the Norwegian company Statoil has done a good job in that department). But, since the reasons to do methane capture in the fracking fields are more environmental than financial, we are in the awkward position of trying to make up new environmental rules to deal with all of this new, boom-related methane.

Last week, a League of Superfriends-style alliance of environmental organizations sent a letter to the president, inquiring as to the whereabouts of the methane rules proposed earlier this year:

"Your March 2014 Strategy to Reduce Methane Emissions announced that the Environmental Protection Agency will decide by this fall how best to reduce pollution from the oil and gas sector. The Strategy built on the commitment in your 2012 State of the Union Address that development of oil and gas resources must not put Americans’ health and safety at risk."

Which is a somewhat restrained way of saying, “It’s fall! You promised us methane regulations!! Where are our methane regulations???”

Colorado already became the first state to regulate methane emissions this February, after Denver’s ozone levels went through the roof. Colorado’s regulations were drawn up collaboratively by the state’s largest oil and gas producers and the Environmental Defense Fund, then won approval from the Colorado Air Quality Control Commission.

They may have been the best possible regulations under the circumstances, but they have the same weakness that bedevils those who have sought to enforce the Clean Air Act and the Clean Water Act since they were created: They rely too much on self-reporting from the industries themselves.

The federal regulations, when they do arrive, will probably be similar. But in the meantime, we can let our imaginations run wild. If only we could roll-out a country-wide fleet of methane-sniffing vehicles — something like a collaboration between the Environmental Defense Fund and Google Street View. If only we could arrest the most egregious of the subway farters and place them in the kindest and most progressive of mandatory gastric rehabilitation programs.

New methane rules, you cannot come too soon.

wessongroup - 10-23-2014 at 07:42 AM

Increase in People, increase in Industrialization =

Five Years, 2,000 Scientists and How Do You Wake People Up to Climate Change?

"The U.S. and European Union are pushing for a stronger explanation about the dangers of climate change and the consequences of failing to stem fossil-fuel emissions in the UN’s most extensive report on global warming."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-10-22/climate-envoys-seek...

methane is one of many factors which the human population on this planet impacts ... and mostly negatively, not positively for the planet ...

individual wants opposed to needs is a tough one to deal with through science :biggrin:

[Edited on 10-23-2014 by wessongroup]

[Edited on 10-23-2014 by wessongroup]

micah202 - 10-23-2014 at 08:42 AM

.
.....interesting follow-up to the OP....time for more deflections from the dino(saur) clowns :rolleyes:

dtbushpilot---''Walk away David, it's not worth it....''
............... ... ....yes indeed,,,when will it be time to stop fracking around,,open your eyes,,,and become part of the solution.....rather than actively working to convince folks that it's 'jobs and prosperity' as usual......the longer -you- take,,the more difficult it will be for our grandchildren

Quote:

Quote:
Originally posted by Cisco
California’s Dwindling Water Supply Is Contaminated, and More

Oct 22, 2014 Posted by Casey Coates Danson

[Translate]Video Report VIA TRUTHOUT

In today’s On the News segment: The last thing Californians needed was to learn that some of their dwindling water supply has been contaminated; last week, a lab official pleaded guilty to conspiracy to violate the Clean Water Act; the Nuclear Regulatory Commission is considering whether to extend Diablo Canyon’s operating license for another 20 years; and more.

TRANSCRIPT :

You need to know this. California is already dealing with the worst drought in that state’s history. So, the last thing residents needed was to learn that some of their dwindling water supply has been contaminated. Back in June, California regulators shut down 11 fracking injection wells after finding that wastewater may have contaminated aquifers. The Environmental Protection Agency ordered the state to send a full report, which the California State Water Resources Board turned in earlier this month. The board confirmed that at least nine of the fracking sites in question were dumping waste into aquifers used for drinking water and farm irrigation. The Center for Biological Diversity obtained a copy of the letter that the board sent to the EPA, which revealed some alarming information. That letter said about three billion gallons of fracking wastewater was pumped into injection wells and seeped into aquifers near the center of that state. Water samples taken from these areas have extremely high levels of carcinogens and toxins like thallium and arsenic. Timothy Krantz of the University of Redlands, said, “The fact that high concentrations are showing up in multiple water wells close to wastewater injection sites raises major concerns about the health and safety of nearby residents.” Considering that many of California’s reservoirs are already sitting at about half of their historic average, that state can’t afford to lose access to any of their drinking water. But, thanks to the fossil fuel industry, residents may have to risk consuming dangerous chemicals or risk going thirsty. This is exactly why they can’t be trusted. It’s time for a complete moratorium on natural gas drilling, and time to end our addiction to fossil fuels.

[Edited on 10-23-2014 by micah202]

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