New U.N. report out on climate change. Impact on Baja?

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Originally posted by gnukid

This graph, based on the comparison of atmospheric samples contained in ice cores and more recent direct measurements, provides evidence that atmospheric CO2 has increased since the Industrial Revolution. (Credit: Vostok ice core data/J.R. Petit et al.; NOAA Mauna Loa CO2 record.)

These findings are based on samples taken and subsequent laboratory analysis to determine what existed in the atmosphere at various times in history

It shows clearly that there is in fact an increase of CO2 production , by man, into the atmosphere and is and will have an impact

Global Analysis - September 2014

Global Highlights

The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for September 2014 was the highest on record for September, at 0.72°C (1.30°F) above the 20th century average of 15.0°C (59.0°F).

The global land surface temperature was 0.89°C (1.60°F) above the 20th century average of 12.0°C (53.6°F), the sixth highest for September on record. For the ocean, the September global sea surface temperature was 0.66°C (1.19°F) above the 20th century average of 16.2°C (61.1°F), the highest on record for September and also the highest on record for any month.

The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for the January–September period (year-to-date) was 0.68°C (1.22°F) above the 20th century average of 14.1°C (57.5°F), tying with 1998 as the warmest such period on record.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/

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Originally posted by wessongroup Quote: Originally posted by gnukid This graph, based on the comparison of atmospheric samples contained in ice cores and more recent direct measurements, provides evidence that atmospheric CO2 has increased since the Industrial Revolution. (Credit: Vostok ice core data/J.R. Petit et al.; NOAA Mauna Loa CO2 record.) These findings are based on samples taken and subsequent laboratory analysis to determine what existed in the atmosphere at various times in history It shows clearly that there is in fact an increase of CO2 production , by man, into the atmosphere and is and will have an impact Global Analysis - September 2014 Global Highlights The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for September 2014 was the highest on record for September, at 0.72°C (1.30°F) above the 20th century average of 15.0°C (59.0°F). The global land surface temperature was 0.89°C (1.60°F) above the 20th century average of 12.0°C (53.6°F), the sixth highest for September on record. For the ocean, the September global sea surface temperature was 0.66°C (1.19°F) above the 20th century average of 16.2°C (61.1°F), the highest on record for September and also the highest on record for any month. The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for the January–September period (year-to-date) was 0.68°C (1.22°F) above the 20th century average of 14.1°C (57.5°F), tying with 1998 as the warmest such period on record. http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/ [Edited on 11-6-2014 by wessongroup]

Source: http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/weekly.html

Trends 2014:

Coldest summer on record at the North Pole
Highest August Arctic ice extent since 2006
Record high August Antarctic ice extent
No major hurricane strikes for eight years
Slowest tornado season on record
No global warming for 17 years
Second slowest fire season on record
Four of the five snowiest northern hemisphere winters have occurred since 2008

Outstanding ... one day of sampling, lets move with those findings for the entire earth ... or Gores electric bill ....

the other graph represents 650,000 years of sample data which clearly demostrates the increase in CO2 emission over the past 150 plus years

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Originally posted by wessongroup Qualitative Quote: Originally posted by Skipjack Joe Quote: Originally posted by gnukid I'm ashamed to say I watched this garbage. Besides being garbage it looks as though this video has been doctored. To me it looks like it's been edited and spliced. Quantitative Quote: Originally posted by wessongroup Quote: Originally posted by gnukid This graph, based on the comparison of atmospheric samples contained in ice cores and more recent direct measurements, provides evidence that atmospheric CO2 has increased since the Industrial Revolution. (Credit: Vostok ice core data/J.R. Petit et al.; NOAA Mauna Loa CO2 record.) These findings are based on samples taken and subsequent laboratory analysis to determine what existed in the atmosphere at various times in history It shows clearly that there is in fact an increase of CO2 production , by man, into the atmosphere and is and will have an impact Global Analysis - September 2014 Global Highlights The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for September 2014 was the highest on record for September, at 0.72°C (1.30°F) above the 20th century average of 15.0°C (59.0°F). The global land surface temperature was 0.89°C (1.60°F) above the 20th century average of 12.0°C (53.6°F), the sixth highest for September on record. For the ocean, the September global sea surface temperature was 0.66°C (1.19°F) above the 20th century average of 16.2°C (61.1°F), the highest on record for September and also the highest on record for any month. The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for the January–September period (year-to-date) was 0.68°C (1.22°F) above the 20th century average of 14.1°C (57.5°F), tying with 1998 as the warmest such period on record. http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/ [Edited on 11-6-2014 by wessongroup]

There is "talk" and then there are "facts" ... see above

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Originally posted by gnukid Source: http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/weekly.html Trends 2014: Coldest summer on record at the North Pole Highest August Arctic ice extent since 2006 Record high August Antarctic ice extent No major hurricane strikes for eight years Slowest tornado season on record No global warming for 17 years Second slowest fire season on record Four of the five snowiest northern hemisphere winters have occurred since 2008

Let's talk about GMO's instead.

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Originally posted by wessongroup Quote: Originally posted by gnukid This graph, based on the comparison of atmospheric samples contained in ice cores and more recent direct measurements, provides evidence that atmospheric CO2 has increased since the Industrial Revolution. (Credit: Vostok ice core data/J.R. Petit et al.; NOAA Mauna Loa CO2 record.) Global Analysis - September 2014 Global Highlights The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for September 2014 was the highest on record for September, at 0.72°C (1.30°F) above the 20th century average of 15.0°C (59.0°F). The global land surface temperature was 0.89°C (1.60°F) above the 20th century average of 12.0°C (53.6°F), the sixth highest for September on record. For the ocean, the September global sea surface temperature was 0.66°C (1.19°F) above the 20th century average of 16.2°C (61.1°F), the highest on record for September and also the highest on record for any month. The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for the January–September period (year-to-date) was 0.68°C (1.22°F) above the 20th century average of 14.1°C (57.5°F), tying with 1998 as the warmest such period on record. http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/ [Edited on 11-6-2014 by wessongroup]

These are quantitative "facts" which were developed from scientific investigation, which just didn't start yesterday

Our environment is better defined today compare to 50 years ago, not forgetting the instrumentation which was not around 50 years ago... as, there was concern from some and the arguments haven't changed IMHO ... trust me

No argument on the need to "control" pollution, from many sources which have negative impact on our environment ... it the right thing to do for life and common sense

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Sorry if the "facts" are upsetting to some ... but, since you asked ... here's the graph is again ... along with a graph on oil production from the 1930s to 2013 in barrels per day production

Isn't that amazing the graph of increased oil production is reflected in the graph of CO2 increase ...

Naw, couldn't be a scientific relationship between oil production and use, with increased CO2 levels being detected in our "atmosphere"

And GMO's isn't a bad one to bring up either ... or how about "Bees" ... or _____

Hey, its Friday ... have a great weekend ...

This graph, based on the comparison of atmospheric samples contained in ice cores and more recent direct measurements, provides evidence that atmospheric CO2 has increased since the Industrial Revolution. (Credit: Vostok ice core data/J.R. Petit et al.; NOAA Mauna Loa CO2 record.)



The Preindustrial and/or Industrial Revolution changed everything … with the development of the “internal combustion engine” it was all over .. in 1859

"The first commercially successful internal combustion engine was created by Étienne Lenoir around 1859.[1]”

Scientific American advised in September 1860 the Parisian newspaper Cosmos had pronounced the steam age over,[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Étienne_Lenoir

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_combustion_engine

Graph of oil production from 1930 to 2013



Based on the two graphs which are "factual" ... would appear that anything over 10 million barrel's per day, has a significant impact ... just saying

And yes, it will impact Baja too ... its in the environment too

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I'm not unaware of the difficulties in proving food, shelter and comfortable life

However, what we are seeing is a "negative feedback loop" from our environment, from same

Not aware of anyone who is saying this is an easy one ... not by a long shot

Just producing "food" without "chemicals" is a very difficult proposition ... let alone maintaining a Global Economy and a higher standard of living for all on the planet

I appreciate gnukid's input ... we typically agree on many things, we just don't view this issue the same, at this time

And this is true with many on this issue .... economic "growth" and the impact of same on the environment

Given the effectiveness of pervious attempts to decrease the amount of pollution, and where we are currently ... a change will have to be developed thru science to achieve a long term solution IMHO ... not thru "Finance" nor "Government"

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additionally oil has also produce this:

"Hazardous air pollutants, also known as toxic air pollutants or air toxics, are those pollutants that cause or may cause cancer or other serious health effects, such as reproductive effects or birth defects, or adverse environmental and ecological effects. EPA is required to control 187 hazardous air pollutants. Examples of toxic air pollutants include benzene, which is found in gasoline; perchlorethlyene, which is emitted from some dry cleaning facilities; and methylene chloride, which is used as a solvent and paint stripper by a number of industries. Through appropriate rulemaking, the Clean Air Act list can be modified. A current list of modifications is available. Some clarification on certain pollutant aggregation (PDF) (8pp, 33k) is also available."

http://www.epa.gov/ttnatw01/pollsour.html


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Oh, btw ... a nice day here in SoCal ...

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None of this matters. Jesus is coming back soon.

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Originally posted by Ateo None of this matters. Jesus is coming back soon.

Hey, isn't talking about the weather fun ...

Michael Savage

On climate, the Right is right – Global temperature update: the Pause is still 18 years 1 month
November 7, 2014
By Christopher Monckton of Brenchley

One of the most interesting statistics from the recent mid-terms was the New York Times’ exit poll (Fig. 1), showing that more than two-thirds of “Democrat” voters thought climate change was a serious problem. Five-sixths of Republicans didn’t.



Figure 1. The New York Times’ exit poll showing the partisan divide on climate.

Put this interesting statistic with another interesting statistic: the growth in the CO2 emissions from the burning of fossil fuels. In 1988, the year in which IPeCaC was founded and James Hansen first bleated about the imagined threat of “global warming” before Congress after Senator Tim Wirth had had the air-conditioning turned off in the hearing room, the world emitted 22 million tonnes of CO2 a year.

In 2013, just 25 years later, 35 million tonnes of CO2 were emitted. For all the chatter about the need to cut CO2 emissions, for all the taxes and fines and subsidies and profiteering, for all the pompous posturing at international grandstanding sessions and global gabfests, there is nothing to show but a 50% increase in the world’s annual emissions of CO2.

If the world really thought global warming was a serious problem, it is not likely that so large an increase in the emission of the supposedly dangerous (but actually innocuous and beneficial) trace gas CO2 would have been allowed to occur.

So, should anyone have been worried? On the data, the answer is No. Since October 1996 there has been no global warming at all (Fig. 2). This month’s RSS temperature plot comes within a whisker of pushing up the period without any global warming from 18 years 1 month to 18 years 2 months: however, on a strict interpretation the period without warming remains at 18 years 1 month. Within a month or two, the current weakish el Nino may begin to influence global temperatures, shortening the Great Pause. However, if the el Nino is followed by a la Nina the Pause could lengthen again by late next year – perhaps even in time for the Paris climate summit of December 2015, at which the next major attempt to introduce a global “government” on the back of the climate scare will be made.



Figure 2. The least-squares linear-regression trend on the RSS satellite monthly global mean surface temperature anomaly dataset shows no global warming for 18 years 1 month since October 1996.

The hiatus period of 18 years 1 month, or 217 months, is the farthest back one can go in the RSS satellite temperature record and still show a sub-zero trend.



Figure 3. Near-term projections of warming at a rate equivalent to 2.8 [1.9, 4.2] K/century, made with “substantial confidence” in IPCC (1990), January 1990 to October 2014 (orange region and red trend line), vs. observed anomalies (dark blue) and trend (bright blue) at less than 1.4 K/century equivalent, taken as the mean of the RSS and UAH satellite monthly mean lower-troposphere temperature anomalies.

A quarter-century after 1990, the global-warming outturn to date – expressed as the least-squares linear-regression trend on the mean of the RSS and UAH monthly global mean surface temperature anomalies – is 0.34 Cº, equivalent to just 1.4 Cº/century, or a little below half of the central estimate in IPCC (1990) and well below even the least estimate (Fig. 3).

The Great Pause is a growing embarrassment to those who had told us with “substantial confidence” that the science was settled and the debate over. Nature had other ideas. Though more than 50 more or less implausible excuses for the Pause are appearing in nervous reviewed journals and among proselytizing scientists, the possibility that the Pause is occurring because the computer models are simply wrong about the sensitivity of temperature to manmade greenhouse gases can no longer be dismissed.

Remarkably, even the IPCC’s latest and much reduced near-term global-warming projections are also excessive (Fig. 4).



Figure 4. Predicted temperature change, January 2005 to October 2014, at a rate equivalent to 1.7 [1.0, 2.3] Cº/century (orange zone with thick red best-estimate trend line), compared with the observed anomalies (dark blue) and zero real-world trend (bright blue), taken as the average of the RSS and UAH satellite lower-troposphere temperature anomalies.

In 1990, the IPCC’s central estimate of near-term warming was higher by two-thirds than it is today. Then it was 2.8 C/century equivalent. Now it is just 1.7 Cº equivalent – and, as Fig. 4 shows, even that is proving to be a substantial exaggeration.

On the RSS satellite data, there has been no global warming statistically distinguishable from zero for more than 26 years. None of the models predicted that, in effect, there would be no global warming for a quarter of a century.

The Great Pause may well come to an end by this winter. An el Niño event is underway and would normally peak during the northern-hemisphere winter. There is too little information to say how much temporary warming it will cause, though. The temperature spikes of the 1998, 2007, and 2010 el Niños are evident in Figs. 1-4.

El Niños occur about every three or four years, though no one is entirely sure what triggers them. They cause a temporary spike in temperature, often followed by a sharp drop during the la Niña phase, as can be seen in 1999, 2008, and 2011-2012, where there was a “double-dip” la Niña that is one of the excuses for the Pause.

The ratio of el Niños to la Niñas tends to fall during the 30-year negative or cooling phases of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation, the latest of which began in late 2001. So, though the Pause may pause or even shorten for a few months at the turn of the year, it may well resume late in 2015 . Either way, it is ever clearer that global warming has not been happening at anything like the rate predicted by the climate models, and is not at all likely to occur even at the much-reduced rate now predicted. There could be as little as 1 Cº global warming this century, not the 3-4 Cº predicted by the IPCC.

Key facts about global temperature

Ø The RSS satellite dataset shows no global warming at all for 217 months from October 1996 to October 2014. That is more than half the 429-month satellite record.

Ø The global warming trend since 1900 is equivalent to 0.8 Cº per century. This is well within natural variability and may not have much to do with us.

Ø The fastest measured warming trend lasting ten years or more occurred over the 40 years from 1694-1733 in Central England. It was equivalent to 4.3 Cº per century.

Ø Since 1950, when a human influence on global temperature first became theoretically possible, the global warming trend has been equivalent to below 1.2 Cº per century.

Ø The fastest warming rate lasting ten years or more since 1950 occurred over the 33 years from 1974 to 2006. It was equivalent to 2.0 Cº per century.

Ø In 1990, the IPCC’s mid-range prediction of near-term warming was equivalent to 2.8 Cº per century, higher by two-thirds than its current prediction of 1.7 Cº/century.

Ø The global warming trend since 1990, when the IPCC wrote its first report, is equivalent to below 1.4 Cº per century – half of what the IPCC had then predicted.

Ø Though the IPCC has cut its near-term warming prediction, it has not cut its high-end business as usual centennial warming prediction of 4.8 Cº warming to 2100.

Ø The IPCC’s predicted 4.8 Cº warming by 2100 is well over twice the greatest rate of warming lasting more than ten years that has been measured since 1950.

Ø The IPCC’s 4.8 Cº-by-2100 prediction is almost four times the observed real-world warming trend since we might in theory have begun influencing it in 1950.

Ø From September 2001 to September 2014, the warming trend on the mean of the 5 global-temperature datasets is nil. No warming for 13 years 1 month.

Ø Recent extreme weather cannot be blamed on global warming, because there has not been any global warming. It is as simple as that.

Technical note

Our latest topical graph shows the least-squares linear-regression trend on the RSS satellite monthly global mean lower-troposphere dataset for as far back as it is possible to go and still find a zero trend. The start-date is not “cherry-picked” so as to coincide with the temperature spike caused by the 1998 el Niño. Instead, it is calculated so as to find the longest period with a zero trend.

Terrestrial temperatures are measured by thermometers. Thermometers correctly sited in rural areas away from manmade heat sources show warming rates appreciably below those that are published. The satellite datasets are based on measurements made by the most accurate thermometers available – platinum resistance thermometers, which provide an independent verification of the temperature measurements by checking via spaceward mirrors the known temperature of the cosmic background radiation, which is 1% of the freezing point of water, or just 2.73 degrees above absolute zero. It was by measuring minuscule variations in the cosmic background radiation that the NASA anisotropy probe determined the age of the Universe: 13.82 billion years.

The graph is accurate. The data are lifted monthly straight from the RSS website. A computer algorithm reads them down from the text file, takes their mean and plots them automatically using an advanced routine that automatically adjusts the aspect ratio of the data window at both axes so as to show the data at maximum scale, for clarity.

The latest monthly data point is visually inspected to ensure that it has been correctly positioned. The light blue trend line plotted across the dark blue spline-curve that shows the actual data is determined by the method of least-squares linear regression, which calculates the y-intercept and slope of the line via two well-established and functionally identical equations that are compared with one another to ensure no discrepancy between them. The IPCC and most other agencies use linear regression to determine global temperature trends. Professor Phil Jones of the University of East Anglia recommends it in one of the Climategate emails. The method is appropriate because global temperature records exhibit little auto-regression.

Dr Stephen Farish, Professor of Epidemiological Statistics at the University of Melbourne, kindly verified the reliability of the algorithm that determines the trend on the graph and the correlation coefficient, which is very low because, though the data are highly variable, the trend is flat.

RSS itself is now taking a serious interest in the length of the Great Pause. Dr Carl Mears, the senior research scientist at RSS, discusses it at remss.com/blog/recent-slowing-rise-global-temperatures.

Dr Mears’ results are summarized in Fig. T1:



Figure T1. Output of 33 IPCC models (turquoise) compared with measured RSS global temperature change (black), 1979-2014. The transient coolings caused by the volcanic eruptions of Chichón (1983) and Pinatubo (1991) are shown, as is the spike in warming caused by the great el Niño of 1998.

Dr Mears writes:

“The denialists like to assume that the cause for the model/observation discrepancy is some kind of problem with the fundamental model physics, and they pooh-pooh any other sort of explanation. This leads them to conclude, very likely erroneously, that the long-term sensitivity of the climate is much less than is currently thought.”

Dr Mears concedes the growing discrepancy between the RSS data and the models, but he alleges “cherry-picking” of the start-date for the global-temperature graph:

“Recently, a number of articles in the mainstream press have pointed out that there appears to have been little or no change in globally averaged temperature over the last two decades. Because of this, we are getting a lot of questions along the lines of ‘I saw this plot on a denialist web site. Is this really your data?’ While some of these reports have ‘cherry-picked’ their end points to make their evidence seem even stronger, there is not much doubt that the rate of warming since the late 1990s is less than that predicted by most of the IPCC AR5 simulations of historical climate. … The denialists really like to fit trends starting in 1997, so that the huge 1997-98 ENSO event is at the start of their time series, resulting in a linear fit with the smallest possible slope.”

In fact, the spike in temperatures caused by the Great el Niño of 1998 is largely offset in the linear-trend calculation by two factors: the not dissimilar spike of the 2010 el Niño, and the sheer length of the Great Pause itself.

Replacing all the monthly RSS anomalies for 1998 with the mean anomaly value of 0.55 K that obtained during the 2010 el Niño and recalculating the trend from September 1996 [not Dr Mears’ “1997”] to September 2014 showed that the trend values “–0.00 C° (–0.00 C°/century)” in the unaltered data (Fig. 1) became “+0.00 C° (+0.00 C°/century)” in the recalculated graph. No cherry-picking, then.

The length of the Great Pause in global warming, significant though it now is, is of less importance than the ever-growing discrepancy between the temperature trends predicted by models and the far less exciting real-world temperature change that has been observed.

IPCC’s First Assessment Report predicted that global temperature would rise by 1.0 [0.7, 1.5] Cº to 2025, equivalent to 2.8 [1.9, 4.2] Cº per century. The executive summary asked, “How much confidence do we have in our predictions?” IPCC pointed out some uncertainties (clouds, oceans, etc.), but concluded:

“Nevertheless, … we have substantial confidence that models can predict at least the broad-scale features of climate change. … There are similarities between results from the coupled models using simple representations of the ocean and those using more sophisticated descriptions, and our understanding of such differences as do occur gives us some confidence in the results.”

That “substantial confidence” was substantial over-confidence. For the rate of global warming since 1990 is about half what the IPCC had then predicted.

Good one, tends to go sideways quickly ...

And the "genesis" .......... once again ... drum roll

Burning of petroleum products to achieve our current standard of living ... which is pretty damn good even considering the past ___X___ years

WE® humans just have to deal with it ...

It will be harder for some, than others, nothing is fair in life ... that doesn't even enter the decision making process, in most cases

Was told that once, Fair? who said it would be fair ... changed the way I looked at things




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I think I've said this before, but NONE of this matters because Jesus is coming back soon.

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Originally posted by Ateo I think I've said this before, but NONE of this matters because Jesus is coming back soon.

And the Republicans took control....everything will be perfect now

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Originally posted by Ateo I think I've said this before, but NONE of this matters because Jesus is coming back soon.

He comes by my place weekly. He and his partner Pedro do a great job taking care of my landscaping.

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Originally posted by elgatoloco Quote: Originally posted by Ateo I think I've said this before, but NONE of this matters because Jesus is coming back soon. He comes by my place weekly. He and his partner Pedro do a great job taking care of my landscaping.

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Originally posted by gnukid One of the most interesting statistics from the recent mid-terms was the New York Times’ exit poll (Fig. 1), showing that more than two-thirds of “Democrat” voters thought climate change was a serious problem. Five-sixths of Republicans didn’t. Figure 1. The New York Times’ exit poll showing the partisan divide on climate.

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Originally posted by Bajaboy Quote: Originally posted by Ateo I think I've said this before, but NONE of this matters because Jesus is coming back soon. And the Republicans took control....everything will be perfect now

America can only hope for a change. But....wanna bet that the IIC won't play with the other kids?

(p.s. Life is way too serious to be taken seriously.)


As to Baja and the border..

Q: What does Barack Obama call illegal aliens?
A: Undocumented democrats.

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WIWA

While I Was Away. Several observations and such. The area between Hermosillo and Kino Bay was an under water sea plain several hundred thousand years ago. AKA globle warming. The Provo Bench in Utah was formed by thousands of years of wave action when the Great Salt Lake was way deeper than today. AKA Globle Cooling. There is a larger bench under the current Great Salt Lake, about a 100 feet lower than today. AKA Globle Warming like nothing you can imagine. All of this and countless warming and cooling cycles before man. The last really good rain we had here in California was in 1861/62. It rained for 42 and 1/2 days. The lake in Central Cal was 300 miles long and the state capital was under 30 feet of water. Al Gore was right when he said "Winters Coming". No wait that was the dwarf on Game of Thrones.

PS: If you really want to warm things up never mind all the carbon locked up in oil, coal and bio mass. Find a way to release all the carbon stored in the earths limestone. We're talkin globle cooking.

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Dittos

When the ozone scare/ hole failed destroy the earth and only got some aerosols banned... even though volcanoes fill the skies with ozone depleting gasses. The earth survived.

Then the left switched to blaming cows and the meat/ dairy industry saying cow farts would destroy the earth. We wouldn't all become vegan, sorry again, and the earth is still here!

Next try to control our lives, the left calls Carbon Dioxide deadly to life on earth! Just that CO2 and is not a 'pollutan't... worldwide plant growth increases thanks to it, and the result is more oxygen.

I have yet to hear the left scream to ban smoking marijuana... has anyone measured what it adds to pollution figures, with it being legalized more and more?

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Originally posted by David K I have yet to hear the left scream to ban smoking marijuana... has anyone measured what it adds to pollution figures, with it being legalized more and more?

a little trivia, Michael Savage's real name is Michael Weiner. guess the name of his show "weiner nation" didn't have the ring he was lookin for!

Polar Vortex

"A study in 2001 found that stratospheric circulation can have anomalous effects on weather regimes.[28] In the same year researchers found a statistical correlation between weak polar vortex and outbreaks of severe cold in the Northern Hemisphere.[29][30] In more recent years scientists identified interactions with Arctic sea ice decline, reduced snow cover, evapotranspiration patterns, NAO anomalies or weather anomalies which are linked to the polar vortex and jet stream configuration.[28][30][31][32][33][34][35][36] However, because the specific observations are considered short-term observations (starting c. 13 years ago) there is considerable uncertainty in the conclusions. Climatology observations require several decades to definitively distinguish natural variability from climate trends.


Southern Hemisphere Ozone Concentration, February 22, 2012
The general assumption is that reduced snow cover and sea ice reflect less sunlight and therefore evaporation and transpiration increases, which in turn alters the pressure and temperature gradient of the polar vortex, causing it to weaken or collapse. This becomes apparent when the jet stream amplitude increases (meanders) over the northern hemisphere, causing Rossby waves to propagate farther to the south or north, which in turn transports warmer air to the north pole and polar air into lower latitudes. The jet stream amplitude increases with a weaker polar vortex, hence increases the chance for weather systems to become blocked. A recent blocking event emerged when a high-pressure over Greenland steered Hurricane Sandy into the northern Mid-Atlantic states.[37]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_vortex

Polar Amplification

Polar amplification refers to the observation that any change in the net radiation balance (for example greenhouse intensification) then tends to produce a larger change in temperature near the poles than the planetary average.[1] On a planet with an atmosphere that can restrict longwave radiation to space (a greenhouse effect), surface temperatures will be warmer than a simple planetary equilibrium temperature calculation would predict. Where the atmosphere or an extensive ocean is able to convect heat polewards, the poles will be warmer and equatorial regions cooler than their local net radiation balances would predict.[2]

In the extreme, the planet Venus is thought to have experienced a very large increase in greenhouse effect over its lifetime,[3] so much so that its poles have warmed sufficiently to render its surface temperature effectively isothermal (no difference between poles and equator).[4][5] On earth, water vapor and trace gasses provide a lesser greenhouse effect, and the atmosphere and extensive oceans provide efficient poleward heat transport. Both palaeoclimate changes and recent global warming changes have exhibited strong polar amplification, as described below.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_amplification

Its the "environment" silly ...

And it all adds up ... one way or another when taken as a "whole" ...

Pot as a major contributor to climate change ... a different thought, in environmental quantitive measurements of pollutions produced by man and/or women into the "environment"

Stick with numbers which have been found through science and are "empirical"

Great discussion ... thanks to all

Hey, how about the increase CO2 that people will generate from having medical insurance under the new law, more people using transportation to go to the doctors ... it all adds up

"you don’t need a weatherman
To know which way the wind blows"

Read more: http://www.bobdylan.com/us/songs/subterranean-homesick-blues...

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Originally posted by David K ...Then the left switched to blaming cows and the meat/ dairy industry saying cow farts would destroy the earth. ..... I have yet to hear the left scream to ban smoking marijuana... has anyone measured what it adds to pollution figures, with it being legalized more and more?

Oh, David....you are such a "hater".

Go spark one up and chill....then measure the effects and report back to us

Hey, I want to ... too

As for those concerns about China ...

Bet that took some of the "steam" out of "Bama's" sails ...

China moves quicker on things ... they are Chinese after all ... a very great people

They just needed a helping hand, to take over the world ...

US, China unveil ambitious climate change goals

http://www.boston.com/business/news/2014/11/12/china-unveil-...

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quote]Originally posted by willardguy a little trivia, Michael Savage's real name is Michael Weiner. guess the name of his show "weiner nation" didn't have the ring he was lookin for!

Believe this would apply to Baja too



When sitting around a campfire having a few ...

And DK ... think Israel has taken care of your concerns about "Mota" ... and the Green House Effect

Israeli Company 3D Printed a Marijuana Inhaler

http://3dprinting.com/products/israeli-company-3d-printed-a-...

making a buck off ........ of Environmental Concerns ... Its the American way ..

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"Using their own data, John has proven" .... well that should button it up ... HUH

Too bad they didn't share that "data" in the article

Say, how's that Polar Vortex thingy working out ...

[Edited on 11-20-2014 by wessongroup]