POPE FRANCIS PLANS TO CANONIZE FRAY JUNIPERO SERRA

Cisco, you're gonna burn in hell. We all know you're just choosing not to believe in a god so you can keep on sinning.

JK

The word atheist has a ton of baggage for the average god believer. Their pastors tell them we are fools. They think we are satanic, immoral, wretched beings, when in fact, we just don't believe in a god. We aren't turning our back on god. How can you turn your back on something you don't believe exists?

Quote: Originally posted by Mexitron

Us animal eaters will soon have our flesh and eat it too---they're getting laboratory raised steaks tastier all the time---a few companies working on them---real meat but muscles grown en masse without the conscious overlord being whisked away.

Quote: Originally posted by Skipjack Joe

Quote: Originally posted by Mexitron   Us animal eaters will soon have our flesh and eat it too---they're getting laboratory raised steaks tastier all the time---a few companies working on them---real meat but muscles grown en masse without the conscious overlord being whisked away. I once asked dad what he thought of artificial insemination (he was in his 70's by then). His response was: "Old method is better"

LOL big time.

Quote: Originally posted by Ateo

Cisco, you're gonna burn in hell. We all know you're just choosing not to believe in a god so you can keep on sinning. JK The word atheist has a ton of baggage for the average god believer. Their pastors tell them we are fools. They think we are satanic, immoral, wretched beings, when in fact, we just don't believe in a god. We aren't turning our back on god. How can you turn your back on something you don't believe exists?

BUSTED!!!

So much going on and it's been soo long that my memory bank is overdrawn but isn't there some place in-between first?

Like purga...or purge...or...

"The Gates of Hell" Rodin's unfinished, decades long in construction so it was not needed for the original project is exhibited at Stanford.

It is one of seven recreated bronze from the original in the world.

I spend hours looking at it when at Stanford and I'm sure that when I get there (HELL) I will be able to enjoy trying to figure it out for eternity, so, there's an "up" side to everything I guess.

The Cantor Arts Center has over a hundred exhibits, mostly bronze, of Rodin's works and is well worth seeing if you are into that type of thing.

Other works also and it's one of the few free museums left. Parking is pay but reasonable and free on Sunday.

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It is really sad how negative things have become in the past 6 or so years. We are losing so much hope and faith in the things that used to bring us together as a nation. We are far more divided and polarized. I long for an administration that unites our country instead of dividing, grouping, 'special interesting' everyone.

It's such a relief to know that all our problems are just a temporary situation that can be reversed by putting another Bush in the WH. All that war, torture, and financial collapse really united us as a nation, it was the "good ol' days" and we didn't even realize it at the time.

Quote: Originally posted by David K

No, not a Bush, he was no conservative... but thank God it was him in office when we were attacked and not some apologizing leftist. After the current guy, we need another Reagan to heal and unite the country.

Quote: Originally posted by monoloco

Quote: Originally posted by David K   No, not a Bush, he was no conservative... but thank God it was him in office when we were attacked and not some apologizing leftist. After the current guy, we need another Reagan to heal and unite the country. Yeah, thank God we had GW to bury the evidence that the Saudis were behind the attack and fabricate evidence to justify invading a country that had absolutely nothing to do with it. God forbid we would have had someone in office who might have gone after the people who were actually responsible.

in all fairness this thread is about the pope!

Quote: Originally posted by David K

Ah, to wear rose colored glasses and sing kum Ba Yah as the country falls, with more people without full time jobs than when St. Barry was anointed and more on Food Stamps... surely the great nation envisioned by our Forefathers?

Quote: Originally posted by David K

No, not a Bush, he was no conservative... but thank God it was him in office when we were attacked and not some apologizing leftist.

Can we get back to the fair friar

Hurrah, Skipjack Joe!

Jeeze that was funny. Oops, I better not say "Jeeze" for fear that some may confuse the phrase for the late, great JC of Bibical fame.
The Inquisition indeed!

I would like to see a remake of this, casting duh-duh-duh-DK in the Mel Brooks role.

Quote: Originally posted by toneart

Hurrah, Skipjack Joe! Jeeze that was funny. Oops, I better not say "Jeeze" for fear that some may confuse the phrase for the late, great JC of Bibical fame. The Inquisition indeed! I would like to see a remake of this, casting duh-duh-duh-DK in the Mel Brooks role.

Good luck; you can't Torquemada nuthin!

[Edited on 2-11-2015 by bajabuddha]

Quote: Originally posted by David K

Ah, to wear rose colored glasses and sing kum Ba Yah as the country falls,...

David,
What do you sing around the propane ring fire while wearing a welder's helmet?

Cool graphic, but that's not my kind of fire. Neat, but do you have a smaller fire, you know the kind that can't be seen from space.

Willardguy.
Oh oh....no more Google Map satellite pics from DK for you....

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Cool graphic, but that's not my kind of fire. Neat, but do you have a smaller fire, you know the kind that can't be seen from space.

Quote: Originally posted by motoged

I think the Ku Klux Klan has some more recent history in that regard...way more recent version of the Puritans.

Yes, the Klan certainly had way to big fires for my taste-----forgot about them---------certainly a reason to not criticize Radical Muslims for their transgressions less we offend. After all, the Klan may be construed to represent us all.

Barry

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I would like to see a remake of this, casting duh-duh-duh-DK in the Mel Brooks role.

Getting back to topic, one thing occurred to me; the historical philosophers on this thread have often referred to the historical standards of 'doing God's work' in that era, with enslavement, torture and killing done in the Name Of God (much like the Mormons and Blood Atonement)..... but what about the THEN actions like the NOW actions of Altar Boys doing God's Work for their Lord's leaders? Rape and sodomy?

I just cannot help but feel, "canonize them all...... with cannons".... preferably Howitzer.

Mongo like candy

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Mongo like candy

I don't know much about foxes, do you? They are like small coyotes, right?

Quote: Originally posted by Cisco

Fox 'Historian': Plenty of Evidence for Atheists to Believe That Jonah Was Swallowed By the Whale http://www.alternet.org/belief/fox-historian-plenty-evidence...

Quote: Originally posted by motoged

Bezzell, Thank you for that Youtube link....it is a treat to discover two intelligent people

... scare me, thought you were gonna invoke DK and Barry guy

Quote: Originally posted by David K

Invoke me... to do what?, lol... I did start this thread, so I am invoked already, yes?

A bud in the censer????

.....Holy Smoke, what an idea....

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Quote: Originally posted by David K   Invoke me... to do what?, lol... I did start this thread, so I am invoked already, yes? Yes, I think that's it and an invocation to be proud of. It has brought many to the fount. (I think that's what it's called). Oh, had been meaning to ask you DK. I do appreciate your investigation and historical reference to a very important part of Baja history and I thank you, I have learned much. Gives you a good excuse to go south also, better than most of us have. Question please, I know of no one else that may have some reference to this. Did the Padres ever, like, put a bud in the censer for special occasion mass? Or maybe just to draw in the faithful every mass. I'd go. I do believe in censers.

Quote: Originally posted by sargentodiaz

Posted Part IV about Father Serra on my blog @ http://msgdaleday.blogspot.com

California legislators renew push against Junipero Serra, saint and Hispanic 'founding father'



Coming from California legislators, this doesn't surprise me. They lean so far to the left that all the doorways in the capitol building had to be rebuilt so they could get through them.

At least one group is fighting back, Salvemos a Serra (http://www.salvemosaserra.com/) or Let's Save Serra. To date, more than 46,000 Californians have signed English and Spanish petitions on CitizenGo.org asking that the attempt to removed the blessed father's statue from the US Capitol Rotunda.

Why are they doing this? Who are they pandering to? I see no big movement among the California Spanish community. There's nothing on Latino television or in their newspapers. The only “Indians” complaining about this are small bands, many of whom never even lived in areas affected by the missions!

Why aren't they complaining about the first American governor of California who, in 1840, had them rounded up and deposited on “reservations” in areas not wanted by the Yanks?

The story comes from http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/california-legislator...

Quote: Originally posted by norte

46,000 out of 39 million. .1% hmmm...not bad for a start I guess. Those pesky Indians complaining again. Instead of deriding them, why not promote giving something back that was taken from them.

Did you ignore the part of WHO really took so much from them?

Quote: Originally posted by sargentodiaz

Quote: Originally posted by norte   46,000 out of 39 million. .1% hmmm...not bad for a start I guess. Those pesky Indians complaining again. Instead of deriding them, why not promote giving something back that was taken from them. Did you ignore the part of WHO really took so much from them?

Quote: Originally posted by sargentodiaz

Quote: Originally posted by norte   46,000 out of 39 million. .1% hmmm...not bad for a start I guess. Those pesky Indians complaining again. Instead of deriding them, why not promote giving something back that was taken from them. Did you ignore the part of WHO really took so much from them?

Quote: Originally posted by David K

If Father Serra had only performed just one gay marriage, then he would be a hero to the left instead of an enemy. Of course even better if he were to denounce God! Think about that! (as DT pointed out Sargento, there is not much hope of turning norte back north)

Trolling again? You are so good at it and so good at twisted statements.

Quote: Originally posted by David K

If Father Serra had only performed just one gay marriage, then he would be a hero to the left instead of an enemy. Of course even better if he were to denounce God! Think about that! (as DT pointed out Sargento, there is not much hope of turning norte back north)

Quote: Originally posted by dtbushpilot

Quote: Originally posted by sargentodiaz   Quote: Originally posted by norte   46,000 out of 39 million. .1% hmmm...not bad for a start I guess. Those pesky Indians complaining again. Instead of deriding them, why not promote giving something back that was taken from them. Did you ignore the part of WHO really took so much from them? You're arguing with a troll sargento, he didn't read it, he's just posting to start chit. Just ignore him like everyone else does...

Quote: Originally posted by David K

jajajajaja I said NOTHING bad, but you guys couldn't wait because it is true! LOL As a libertarian, the government needs to get out of the people's way, as long as people bring NO harm to anyone else. [Edited on 6-27-2015 by David K]

Quote: Originally posted by elgatoloco

Well at least we now know that David K is 100% supporter of same sex marriage. Know hope.

Quote: Originally posted by David K

If Father Serra had only performed just one gay marriage, then he would be a hero to the left instead of an enemy. Of course even better if he were to denounce God! Think about that! (as DT pointed out Sargento, there is not much hope of turning norte back north)

Quote: Originally posted by vgabndo

Quote: Originally posted by David K   If Father Serra had only performed just one gay marriage, then he would be a hero to the left instead of an enemy. Of course even better if he were to denounce God! Think about that! (as DT pointed out Sargento, there is not much hope of turning norte back north) Guaranteeing gay Americans their Constitutional rights is not a "left/right" thing. Although denying them their rights has certainly been a popular cause with homophobic Christian right wingers. Joseph Goebbels was a highly talented and accomplished professional in his field. Contemporary media outlets, one of which I assume is important to you, are still using many of the principles he espoused. The problem is that his work contributed to the brainwashing, imprisonment, forced labor, and deaths of a lot of people. This was also the case with Serra. We don't build monuments to honor people like that. We recognize that they had a place in history, and if we are smart we insure that history doesn't repeat itself. The Christian Spaniards tried to rule the world just like the Christian Germans later tried. The brutal imperialism of Christian nations dominates world history but we need, in the 21st. century, to make wiser choices and honor more honorable people. I doubt that you agree with me, but the real heroes of the American west sold guns to the Indians.

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Let me ask this, is there some sort of point system employed here to bring up my name or initials when I suggest 'thinking' rather than just following what the CNN and MSNBC reports say? It sure is done a lot by a few of you here??

Quote: Originally posted by DianaT

Quote: Originally posted by David K   If Father Serra had only performed just one gay marriage, then he would be a hero to the left instead of an enemy. Of course even better if he were to denounce God! Think about that! (as DT pointed out Sargento, there is not much hope of turning norte back north) Trolling again? You are so good at it and so good at twisted statements.

DK is just having a Huckabee moment while on the toilet. He claims innocence by stating that he only exists here to supply Baja history and to help people, but then he trolls with such biased, inflammatory, ignorant statements and ruins it. How can anybody give him any credibility as a historian when he ruins it like this? Why would anybody even look at his Baja history posts except for extreme right wingers who tune in for that instead of the history. Help people?
Why am I even commenting on this DK thread? I too was on the toilet and just couldn't hold it.

Quote: Originally posted by Marla Daily

On September 25, 1988 Junipero Serra was beatified by Pope John Paul II at the Vatican. Through a series of circumstances, I was fortunate to be invited to attend the ceremony. I was seated on the elevated platform outside the Basilica, seven rows to the side of the Pope's left elbow. The Queen of Sweden sat in front of me. The ceremony was spectacular, with 17,000 people of faith crowded in St. Peter's Square below. I am not a Catholic. As a cultural anthropologist, however, I am fascinated by the strikingly powerful display of ritual. I enjoy learning of other people; other customs and beliefs. A mere 27 years later, on September 23, by invitation I will be at the National Shrine in Washington, D.C. to witness the canonization of Junipero Serra. I'm looking forward to it.

Quote: Originally posted by toneart

Quote: Originally posted by DianaT   Quote: Originally posted by David K   If Father Serra had only performed just one gay marriage, then he would be a hero to the left instead of an enemy. Of course even better if he were to denounce God! Think about that! (as DT pointed out Sargento, there is not much hope of turning norte back north) Trolling again? You are so good at it and so good at twisted statements. rquote] DK is just having a Huckabee moment while on the toilet. He claims innocence by stating that he only exists here to supply Baja history and to help people, but then he trolls with such biased, inflammatory, ignorant statements and ruins it. How can anybody give him any credibility as a historian when he ruins it like this? Why would anybody even look at his Baja history posts except for extreme right wingers who tune in for that instead of the history. Help people? Why am I even commenting on this DK thread? I too was on the toilet and just couldn't hold it. I don't know anything about helping people, Tony, but I found his book on a friend's shelf and read it. It doesn't take long. I found it thin both physically and in content. I've been a history writer/researcher/speaker for decades and I was unimpressed. If it had been a dinner invitation, my reaction would have been akin to going home hungry. I went on line and read a few pages that I found much more satisfying. That's just me. I was reminded of the old TV commercial: "Where's the beef?" Admittedly, I would never have bothered to read anything about Catholics bickering among themselves in the course of subjugating indigenous peoples had I not a certain knowledge of one of the authors.

Quote: Originally posted by monoloco

Why are they doing this? Who are they pandering to? I see no big movement among the California Spanish community. There's nothing on Latino television or in their newspapers. The only “Indians” complaining about this are small bands, many of whom never even lived in areas affected by the missions! [/rquote] Maybe because the cultures that did live in the areas affected by the missions were destroyed by them.