International Conference on Climate Change Keynote

Quote: Originally posted by David K

If all I do is get some of you to think for yourselves...... We have the biggest brain for our size, so let's use our brains and think, and not just fall for some bureaucrat's claims, automatically.

Dittos

Quote: Originally posted by wessongroup

Polar Bears Seen Eating Dolphins For The First Time As Seal Habitat Melts Away http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/12/polar-bears-eat-dol... 1.5 mm = 0.0590551 inches annual or over the past 50 years is equal to 2.952755 inches increase globally .. close enough for horse shoes I don’t think most could discern a 0.0590551 inch rise in one year nor in 50 years with the naked eye … as it isn’t all that much … but, taken as a whole for the entire oceans of the planet … that rise IS "significant" ..as the earth oceans cover roughly 70% of the planet And of that .. 2.5% is fresh water … the rest is Ocean http://phys.org/news/2015-01-sea-larger-thought.html and btw .. ice melt at the poles is effecting our "gravity" ... too Better hang on .. [Edited on 6-14-2015 by wessongroup]

How many gigatonnes of ice must melt to raise the oceans one millimeter (10-3 meters)?
The number of gigatonnes of water that must be added to the oceans to raise the sea level 1 millimeter is given by:

1 mm / (2.78 microns / Gt) = 10-3 m / (2.78 x 10-6 m / Gt) = 360 Gt

Similarly, 360 km³ of water will raise the oceans 1 mm.

https://climatesanity.wordpress.com/conversion-factors-for-i...

Based on the math ... one hell of a lot of melt has taken place to raise the ocean's level 2.952755 inches ... Where did the increase in "volume" come from ... run off from rain, if NOT from Ice Melt



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Ice skating on the Thames river in England during the the big freeze of 1962 - Who can we blame this on?



What about the poor viking who colonized Greenland in the midlevel warm period, then got froze out during the little ice age. Who can blame that on and everything else? Human CO2?




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Quote: Originally posted by Bajahowodd   I've stated it before, and I'll do it again. We have an epidemic of asthma and COPD that is directly related to the increase in carbon emissions.. Having someone very close with COPD, I would like to see your sources. Would you please furnish a link. Thanks

Quote: Originally posted by David K

If all I do is get some of you to think for yourselves instead of just falling for the populist belief in 'man created' climate change/ rising sea levels/ etc., then that is enough. I think our children have enough in life to deal with than to heap a bunch of 'guilt' upon them for merely being humans. People ARE a part of this planet and what we do here is part of that. Keeping the place as clean as possible is a great idea, if for nothing else, to make it more enjoyable for us and future generations. But, just being human does not make us evil and planet destroyers. We have the biggest brain for our size, so let's use our brains and think, and not just fall for some bureaucrat's claims, automatically. Thank you.

Quote: Originally posted by David K

I say think for yourselves because the advocates of the man created climate theory always produce man created graphs. Those of us who think the earth and Nature are greater than man can see the sea level with our own eyes in person or in photos taken 50+ years apart.

The American Way, or, Let's Make Some Money!!

"investments in infrastructure and technology to mitigate the effects of climate change will total as much as $130 billion a year by 2030"

Global warming mutual funds coming to a broker near you.

Now we're talkin'

I'm goin' long on global warming. Skeptics can go short.

http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2013-03-07/investors-se...



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Hey ... thanks for sharing ... Some interesting insight different locations

Couple of places I'd would have liked to have check out

And the rapidity of change, over the past 100 years is difficult to appreciate

My Grandfather used to tell be tales of AZ in 1900 ... a trip

And he was talking about ... How much "it" had changed in his life ... this was in 1964

Think everyone has a great deal of love of the country and/or dirt, trees and wildlife ... It just the way we "make" our living .. that is giving us fits .... Tuna make their living feeding on fish and squid ... if it was only that simple for humans .. well it was once ... kinda ... "hunter gathers" ... don't think many want to get back that far ..... to make the environment ok ...

We gotta set something from the past ... which is stitalable for out population ... first in the United States, focus on that first (there have to be priorities) and then try and help as many as we can ... Not sure that just because its a Global Problem that the solution has to be Global, at this time

Need to work on barrels of oil per day first ... that is the big one ... coal is manageable ... Believe small poorer counties should use coal ... more advance with the ability: solar, natural gas and oil as a last resort ... with wind, sea and the rest tossed in to help as much as possible

And think of it as just talking care of the "trail" or "campsite" ... just a bigger one

Was brought up ... to always leave "it" the same ... pack it in, pack it out



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Quote: Originally posted by wessongroup

Hey ... thanks for sharing ... Some interesting insight different locations Not sure that just because its a Global Problem that the solution has to be Global, at this time Need to work on barrels of oil per day first ... that is the big one ... coal is manageable ... Believe small poorer counties should use coal ... more advance with the ability: solar, natural gas and oil as a last resort ... with wind, sea and the rest tossed in to help as much as possible [Edited on 6-16-2015 by wessongroup]

Thanks Patch ... and a good on ya ...

Quote: Originally posted by wessongroup

Thanks Patch ... and a good on ya ...

Claro!

And, go stand on that sand that hasn't moved between Cardiff reef and the parking lot at whatever those restaurants are called at the lagoon mouth just below San Elijo State Beach campground... I watched it all disappear right around '90ish.....maybe it's all back, though.

Probably all that sand I used to run on when I was actually strong all the way from Cardiff reef to the restaurant on the south end of La Jolla shores and back.... what was that called... the Beach Club or something.....that's probably all there, too, since man has no lasting effect on that kind of stuff.

I know the last few times I did that run I was wet for the majority of it and had to scale a few spots over rocks.

Just the natural ebb and flow, right?

Quote: Originally posted by David K

Seriously! Rant? Is that how my typed thoughts are read by you? I guess there is no hope in having a calm chat? I say think for yourselves because the advocates of the man created climate theory always produce man created graphs. Those of us who think the earth and Nature are greater than man can see the sea level with our own eyes in person or in photos taken 50+ years apart.

Neil Young to Donald Trump: Don't Rock in My Free World

Quote: Originally posted by wessongroup

SP 44+ Good for him .... I can't even think of music that would go with Donald Trump ... Open for suggestions ... there have to be some watch out for squirrels big D ... http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/06/neil-young-donal...

Here's my choice ... think they'll have to work around the time ... but, then it may release Big D from "talking" which would be an improvement ... with Neil's approval of course



Hey, maybe Ivana has some thoughts

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