It's hot out there...

All is not lost due to a few morans in our country. I spent a day at a funeral (cancer sux) and met up with an old high school acquaintance who I haven't seen for 45 years. He went on to become a PhD in Hydrology and as a Wyoming native has spent decades documenting the receding glaciers in the state. Since our Federal government has been congested by the Party of NO for the past decade and they are all climate change deniers, he faced a lot of funding challenges for his research. The world is a bigger place however, so when he retired from academia, the international community stepped in and has taken him to a new level. The funding now comes from Switzerland, you know, the richest country in the world. My potential contribution is that I have backpacking photos of those glacier fields beginning in the early 1980's. Since they have a huge stake in climate change and it's basis of human activity, they fund projects like his across the globe. It is very encouraging to know that the global community is not just aware of the problems that are coming, they are actively documenting those problems and formulating solutions. Humans are a major force on the planet and we can evolve our activities and our impact. He did a great job of balancing out the stupid that exists in forums like this and the stupidity that I've read in this thread. As an informed and educated group, the world can improve.

10-4 TW on the foothills all the way up the state ... gotta be really dry ... amazed there haven't been more fires this year

And on the environment .... just about everyone talks about it

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10-4 TW on the foothills all the way up the state ... gotta be really dry ... amazed there haven't been more fires this year And on the environment .... just about everyone talks about it

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Quote: Originally posted by chuckie   DK's drought reasoning? "It's summer" And DK? I likely have spent more time on the pot in Baja than you have total... Have you or anyone else on this board that disagrees with DK seen with your own eyes a change in sea level? If so where? It was posted on Nomad that the sea level was expected to rise a couple of inches every hundred years. If so who has done the measurements and where. The only proof I've seen is the pictures DK posted and many of you don't believe it.

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Quote: Originally posted by TMW   Quote: Originally posted by chuckie   DK's drought reasoning? "It's summer" And DK? I likely have spent more time on the pot in Baja than you have total... Have you or anyone else on this board that disagrees with DK seen with your own eyes a change in sea level? If so where? It was posted on Nomad that the sea level was expected to rise a couple of inches every hundred years. If so who has done the measurements and where. The only proof I've seen is the pictures DK posted and many of you don't believe it. I have a sea level rising story that I have personally experienced in laguna Ojo de Liebre. My first camp from 1988 is now completely underwater except at low tides as is where the ejido used to have their ticket booth that was near the waters edge and is now also mostly underwater. I had to move camps three times due to sea levels rising and the ejido has had to put new roads in twice as the old ones are underwater at high tides now. It is a very flat area so any small rise would mean a difference of a few meters of land being underwater at high tides. Interesting how on the east coast it seems constant but here on the west coast we notice the water getting higher. I once heard a story that the peninsula was sinking on the west coast and rising on the gulf side???

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So? Will the palm tree go down or up?

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Quote: Originally posted by chuckie   So? Will the palm tree go down or up? Way WAY to many variables to answer that question, Chuckie. Always a real problem with earth-science.

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Like the Pacific islands, if the land drops it LOOKS like the sea is rising. Obviously, Shari has been to a place that was dry and now isn't, unless it was an unusually low tide period when the campground was built and it was underwater before? Why aren't all the salt flats (that once had water on them to get salt there) in the Guerrero Negro and San Ignacio Lagoon area, etc. underwater or wet at every high tide? Maybe Baja is twisting with the Pacific side dropping and the gulf side rising? If it is rising, then it is at the same rate of this sea level rise, otherwise, the many boat launch ramps would all be out of the water and that 1953-2016 Palm tree base would be further from the water, not the same distance from it, right? The 'static' sea level (or such little change as it can't be obviously noticed) has been noted at multiple sites along the gulf, not just in one place. This is discussion, people. Not telling anyone how to think, I only want to have proof and evidence. Observation is science and science is not static or without change when new discoveries are made. There is NO CONSENSUS of all scientists, as some who have motives or economic reasons want you to believe. IF the sea level is rising at Point A on the planet, then why is it not higher on Point B?

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Quote: Originally posted by David K   Like the Pacific islands, if the land drops it LOOKS like the sea is rising. Obviously, Shari has been to a place that was dry and now isn't, unless it was an unusually low tide period when the campground was built and it was underwater before? Why aren't all the salt flats (that once had water on them to get salt there) in the Guerrero Negro and San Ignacio Lagoon area, etc. underwater or wet at every high tide? Maybe Baja is twisting with the Pacific side dropping and the gulf side rising? If it is rising, then it is at the same rate of this sea level rise, otherwise, the many boat launch ramps would all be out of the water and that 1953-2016 Palm tree base would be further from the water, not the same distance from it, right? The 'static' sea level (or such little change as it can't be obviously noticed) has been noted at multiple sites along the gulf, not just in one place. This is discussion, people. Not telling anyone how to think, I only want to have proof and evidence. Observation is science and science is not static or without change when new discoveries are made. There is NO CONSENSUS of all scientists, as some who have motives or economic reasons want you to believe. IF the sea level is rising at Point A on the planet, then why is it not higher on Point B? It seems weird to me too that sea levels on our side seems to be rising. i camped at the lagoon for a couple months for many many years...so through a couple lunar cycles so no the camp wasnt made at a low tide. As I mentioned the ejido keeps having to move the road up further to avoid flooding. It is more noticeable there as it is sooooo flat...but there is absolutely no doubt the water level is higher than it was before. There is no flooding of the salt ponds as they are all dyked and regulated for water intake.

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Quote: Originally posted by David K   Like the Pacific islands, if the land drops it LOOKS like the sea is rising. Obviously, Shari has been to a place that was dry and now isn't, unless it was an unusually low tide period when the campground was built and it was underwater before? Why aren't all the salt flats (that once had water on them to get salt there) in the Guerrero Negro and San Ignacio Lagoon area, etc. underwater or wet at every high tide? Maybe Baja is twisting with the Pacific side dropping and the gulf side rising? If it is rising, then it is at the same rate of this sea level rise, otherwise, the many boat launch ramps would all be out of the water and that 1953-2016 Palm tree base would be further from the water, not the same distance from it, right? The 'static' sea level (or such little change as it can't be obviously noticed) has been noted at multiple sites along the gulf, not just in one place. This is discussion, people. Not telling anyone how to think, I only want to have proof and evidence. Observation is science and science is not static or without change when new discoveries are made. There is NO CONSENSUS of all scientists, as some who have motives or economic reasons want you to believe. IF the sea level is rising at Point A on the planet, then why is it not higher on Point B? It seems weird to me too that sea levels on our side seems to be rising. i camped at the lagoon for a couple months for many many years...so through a couple lunar cycles so no the camp wasnt made at a low tide. As I mentioned the ejido keeps having to move the road up further to avoid flooding. It is more noticeable there as it is sooooo flat...but there is absolutely no doubt the water level is higher than it was before. There is no flooding of the salt ponds as they are all dyked and regulated for water intake.

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"Sea level change varies by location." How convenient for your argument. Still pretty funny that over 60 years we have photographic (and written) evidence that the sea is not higher on the Sea of Cortez over that period. Still, what are you claiming can be done if they are going up? The only thing is to move to higher ground. You are certainly not going to make the seas go down by making government more powerful or taxpayers poorer, right?

I heard he and Giuliani are going to blow it over themselves and make the Iraqis pay for it.

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Maybe I am a simpleton but with additional heat comes invigorated action and response. Warmer water leads to coral die off. Coral die off leads to reduced coastal barriers. Reduced coastal barriers lead to land erosion. Whether that includes a rise in sea levels I will leave to the experts. And, anybody that has done any reading understands that the sea rises and falls at different levels all around the world due to wind patterns, the rotation of the earth, gravity from other influencing bodies.... and probably a myriad of other things. So, take your pick, rising sea levels or not erosion is a reality. I don't really find levity in this subject in any way since I am raising children and they have to deal with the fallout of placation and passivity regarding climate change. And, I would agree, some is a natural cycle. However, I will say that I agree that man has added an exponential effect to any occurrence of natural cycles. To say otherwise flies in the face of common sense.

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Here's an example of problems caused by sea-level rise. In Miami beach there are storm drains that drain surface rain water to the bay. But something new has developed. Sea water is coming up through the drains onto the street. Interesting video including interviews with longtime residents. South Florida's Rising Seas - Sea Level Rise Documentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JbzypWJk64

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Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666   Quote: Originally posted by Bajaboy   Anyone else find it ironic that David sites NASA and NOAA to support his claim that climate change is not man made? Life is easier when you pick and choose your facts, and make up facts where the situation lacks a suitable fact. Fact on! Does anybody else on this board find it alarming that a few DEMAND that other's change their mind, and by their standards fall-in-line, and when they don't they trash and bash them over and over again, almost without fail?

We are talking a couple of mm's ... one mm = 0.0393701 inches .... 2 mm = 0.0984252 inches

Anyone with eye's that good .... should be in Guinness world record books ... and a reason why other means of measurement are used to measure any decrease or increase in ocean levels on the planet

Arctic sea ice is vanishing far faster than anyone thought possible

"Historically, sea ice forms every winter across the top of the planet, and covers much of the Arctic Ocean. Every summer, the ice melts a bit and retreats, only to repeat the cycle again. But since the 1980s, the ice has been retreating further and further overall, contributing to changes to ecosystems, and erosion so severe it is biting off chunks of coastlines in Alaska, Canada and elsewhere. It even is exacerbating the warming trend in the Arctic."

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/19/arctic-sea-ice-is-vanishing-f...

which fits in with Patch's point .. erosion, which is just one of many aspects of our® environment that can be influence by increased "heat" ... As temperature does impact physical states of matter

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Hey Ged, you'll enjoy this: https://youtu.be/PGtCkv7_nIs

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Quote: Originally posted by Sweetwater   Hey Ged, you'll enjoy this: https://youtu.be/PGtCkv7_nIs Ken, Thanks for the link....followed up and found this TED talk about that...a fuller explanation of the concept. Some folks may not like it because it acknowledges the concept of evolution and is presented by an educated person.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABZjlfhN0EQ

I really hate that you bring up big gubinment sources like TED talks which might be based on science, logic and reality. I'd much rather look at old photo's of a palm tree and believe someone who has minimal education but lots of blather on these critical issues. Trump has great appeal to these individuals and operates because they are willing to place their children into his (small) but "yuuuuugely successful" hands. NOT me, and I vote.

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We are talking a couple of mm's ... one mm = 0.0393701 inches .... 2 mm = 0.0984252 inches Anyone with eye's that good .... should be in Guinness world record books ... and a reason why other means of measurement are used to measure any decrease or increase in ocean levels on the planet