Palm Tree In Bahia Concepcion

Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco

rts551- Please don't assume that our difference of opinion on the manmade global warming debate means that we are less intelligent than you. Condescension is a bad look for you. Regards, Tio

Stop picking on that palm tree!
But yes let's see the pictures.

Quote: Originally posted by rts551

Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali   Quote: Originally posted by rts551   Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco   Dali Dali- Obviously you and I just don't get it. We should realize that if we were more intelligent we would be able to grasp the fact that the earth doesn't evolve without human interference. If all humans died today, we would freeze frame the current environmental conditions. Earth would be saved! Sounds amazing! Although, I am still trying to figure out how the desert southwest United States was once under water. Maybe those dinosaurs were emitting too much gas and changed the balance? Hard to tell... Tio and Dali... I haven't heard anyone saying that there is not a natural evolution of the earth...In fact its the very ones (science) that showed the Earth is not flat (it isn't, is it?). What they are saying is there is a CONTROLLABLE influence in this evolution that is man made. We don't all want to be dinosaurs do we? Well sure there is a natural evolution to the globe... Erosion, wind, water...maybe even a warmer overall climate. I shudder to think that man can even fathom placing controls on what comes as a natural phenom worldwide and has since sea animals crawled out of the sea and onto land. You failed to recognize that I stated "controllable and man made". Do you shudder to fathom addressing those as well?

Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali

Quote: Originally posted by rts551   Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali   Quote: Originally posted by rts551   Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco   Dali Dali- Obviously you and I just don't get it. We should realize that if we were more intelligent we would be able to grasp the fact that the earth doesn't evolve without human interference. If all humans died today, we would freeze frame the current environmental conditions. Earth would be saved! Sounds amazing! Although, I am still trying to figure out how the desert southwest United States was once under water. Maybe those dinosaurs were emitting too much gas and changed the balance? Hard to tell... Tio and Dali... I haven't heard anyone saying that there is not a natural evolution of the earth...In fact its the very ones (science) that showed the Earth is not flat (it isn't, is it?). What they are saying is there is a CONTROLLABLE influence in this evolution that is man made. We don't all want to be dinosaurs do we? Well sure there is a natural evolution to the globe... Erosion, wind, water...maybe even a warmer overall climate. I shudder to think that man can even fathom placing controls on what comes as a natural phenom worldwide and has since sea animals crawled out of the sea and onto land. You failed to recognize that I stated "controllable and man made". Do you shudder to fathom addressing those as well? I fail a whole bunch..swung and missed on that last yellowtail bite....I would address you by your name but not sure what it is?....I think DK called you Ralph? What I was attempted to elicit is what would that "controllable" part of manmade consist of? Cars are more fuel efficient, LA smog levels way down, catalytic converters, EGR valves and even DIF fluid for diesel powered vehicles and testing of them, transitioning from oil/coal to NatGas....clean coal technologies......solar farms littering the fruited plains......wind farms on nearly every wind prone mountain edge......from Boulevard in the Laguna mountains to the Tehachapi pass out of Bakersfield. Trash, plastic, glass, paper recycling....Toss in some Federal mandates for fuel efficiency and it seems to an ordinary layman like myself.....that there exists controls right in the here and now. How much and what more would you like to see and at what costs?

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As revealed by Archangel Uriel:

"The Illuminati are pushing the themes of global warming, adverse climate change, the rising of the world’s oceans, extinction of species, and flooding of landmass. These themes have very little truth to them. Behind them is the Illuminati’s quest for world domination."

https://goldenageofgaia.com/2015/11/20/truth-global-warming-...

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Quote: Originally posted by fishbuck

Stop picking on that palm tree! But yes let's see the pictures.

1953
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1952
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Not just the palm tree clump is still above the typical high tide point, but the flats behind it... occasionally get flooded, but still normally above the sea, 65 years later!

In the wise words of President Trump

Quote: Originally posted by David K

Quote: Originally posted by fishbuck   Stop picking on that palm tree! But yes let's see the pictures. Not just the palm tree clump is still above the typical high tide point, but the flats behind it... occasionally get flooded, but still normally above the sea, 65 years later!

Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali

Quote: Originally posted by rts551   Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali   Quote: Originally posted by rts551   Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco   Dali Dali- Obviously you and I just don't get it. We should realize that if we were more intelligent we would be able to grasp the fact that the earth doesn't evolve without human interference. If all humans died today, we would freeze frame the current environmental conditions. Earth would be saved! Sounds amazing! Although, I am still trying to figure out how the desert southwest United States was once under water. Maybe those dinosaurs were emitting too much gas and changed the balance? Hard to tell... Tio and Dali... I haven't heard anyone saying that there is not a natural evolution of the earth...In fact its the very ones (science) that showed the Earth is not flat (it isn't, is it?). What they are saying is there is a CONTROLLABLE influence in this evolution that is man made. We don't all want to be dinosaurs do we? Well sure there is a natural evolution to the globe... Erosion, wind, water...maybe even a warmer overall climate. I shudder to think that man can even fathom placing controls on what comes as a natural phenom worldwide and has since sea animals crawled out of the sea and onto land. You failed to recognize that I stated "controllable and man made". Do you shudder to fathom addressing those as well? I fail a whole bunch..swung and missed on that last yellowtail bite....I would address you by your name but not sure what it is?....I think DK called you Ralph? What I was attempted to elicit is what would that "controllable" part of manmade consist of? Cars are more fuel efficient, LA smog levels way down, catalytic converters, EGR valves and even DIF fluid for diesel powered vehicles and testing of them, transitioning from oil/coal to NatGas....clean coal technologies......solar farms littering the fruited plains......wind farms on nearly every wind prone mountain edge......from Boulevard in the Laguna mountains to the Tehachapi pass out of Bakersfield. Trash, plastic, glass, paper recycling....Toss in some Federal mandates for fuel efficiency and it seems to an ordinary layman like myself.....that there exists controls right in the here and now. How much and what more would you like to see and at what costs?

Quote: Originally posted by SFandH

Because of the higher water, the sand deposited on the beach by the gentle wave action and high tides is higher making it appear as though nothing has changed.

Quote: Originally posted by rts551

Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali   Quote: Originally posted by rts551   Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali   Quote: Originally posted by rts551   Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco   Dali Dali- Obviously you and I just don't get it. We should realize that if we were more intelligent we would be able to grasp the fact that the earth doesn't evolve without human interference. If all humans died today, we would freeze frame the current environmental conditions. Earth would be saved! Sounds amazing! Although, I am still trying to figure out how the desert southwest United States was once under water. Maybe those dinosaurs were emitting too much gas and changed the balance? Hard to tell... Tio and Dali... I haven't heard anyone saying that there is not a natural evolution of the earth...In fact its the very ones (science) that showed the Earth is not flat (it isn't, is it?). What they are saying is there is a CONTROLLABLE influence in this evolution that is man made. We don't all want to be dinosaurs do we? Well sure there is a natural evolution to the globe... Erosion, wind, water...maybe even a warmer overall climate. I shudder to think that man can even fathom placing controls on what comes as a natural phenom worldwide and has since sea animals crawled out of the sea and onto land. You failed to recognize that I stated "controllable and man made". Do you shudder to fathom addressing those as well? I fail a whole bunch..swung and missed on that last yellowtail bite....I would address you by your name but not sure what it is?....I think DK called you Ralph? What I was attempted to elicit is what would that "controllable" part of manmade consist of? Cars are more fuel efficient, LA smog levels way down, catalytic converters, EGR valves and even DIF fluid for diesel powered vehicles and testing of them, transitioning from oil/coal to NatGas....clean coal technologies......solar farms littering the fruited plains......wind farms on nearly every wind prone mountain edge......from Boulevard in the Laguna mountains to the Tehachapi pass out of Bakersfield. Trash, plastic, glass, paper recycling....Toss in some Federal mandates for fuel efficiency and it seems to an ordinary layman like myself.....that there exists controls right in the here and now. How much and what more would you like to see and at what costs? Yes, exactly and more can be done after the fight over cost/benefit is over. Ralph.

Quote: Originally posted by David K

Quote: Originally posted by SFandH   Because of the higher water, the sand deposited on the beach by the gentle wave action and high tides is higher making it appear as though nothing has changed. The flats behind the palm and beach are still dry... salt flats all around Baja and the lagoons and marshes everywhere are still no deeper in the sea or wetter more often. I know this is a religion to many and you are not to question your authority figures/ masters. I just think this whole drama-driven issue is so clear to see if you care to look. Living clean is great... solar energy is great. None of us who know the sea is not higher don't deny facts and the science which is observation, not prediction. There may be rising sea levels by millimeters and the earth may be warming ever so tiny during our short life here. There just is no reason to cause panic, scare kids, raise taxes, grow the government (which reduces our freedoms). No amount of taxes will change the climate. Find something real to get worked up about or go have a beer.

Whoa now David....you mean to say that those politicians and "experts" lied when they told us that taxing the wellhead "source" would indeed lower global temps?

I could have swore I heard that in CA anyway, the taxes collected were squandered on things TOTALLY unrelated to global warming?

Say it ain't so?

Read it now!!

John 8:32 "Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."

https://tinyurl.com/zvzkapj

Quote: Originally posted by SFandH

Because of the higher water, the sand deposited on the beach by the gentle wave action and high tides is higher making it appear as though nothing has changed.

Making it appear as though nothing has changed....

I tell ya, it's like magic.

[Edited on 6-20-2018 by SFandH]

Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali

Quote: Originally posted by rts551   Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali   Quote: Originally posted by rts551   Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali   Quote: Originally posted by rts551   Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco   Dali Dali- Obviously you and I just don't get it. We should realize that if we were more intelligent we would be able to grasp the fact that the earth doesn't evolve without human interference. If all humans died today, we would freeze frame the current environmental conditions. Earth would be saved! Sounds amazing! Although, I am still trying to figure out how the desert southwest United States was once under water. Maybe those dinosaurs were emitting too much gas and changed the balance? Hard to tell... Tio and Dali... I haven't heard anyone saying that there is not a natural evolution of the earth...In fact its the very ones (science) that showed the Earth is not flat (it isn't, is it?). What they are saying is there is a CONTROLLABLE influence in this evolution that is man made. We don't all want to be dinosaurs do we? Well sure there is a natural evolution to the globe... Erosion, wind, water...maybe even a warmer overall climate. I shudder to think that man can even fathom placing controls on what comes as a natural phenom worldwide and has since sea animals crawled out of the sea and onto land. You failed to recognize that I stated "controllable and man made". Do you shudder to fathom addressing those as well? I fail a whole bunch..swung and missed on that last yellowtail bite....I would address you by your name but not sure what it is?....I think DK called you Ralph? What I was attempted to elicit is what would that "controllable" part of manmade consist of? Cars are more fuel efficient, LA smog levels way down, catalytic converters, EGR valves and even DIF fluid for diesel powered vehicles and testing of them, transitioning from oil/coal to NatGas....clean coal technologies......solar farms littering the fruited plains......wind farms on nearly every wind prone mountain edge......from Boulevard in the Laguna mountains to the Tehachapi pass out of Bakersfield. Trash, plastic, glass, paper recycling....Toss in some Federal mandates for fuel efficiency and it seems to an ordinary layman like myself.....that there exists controls right in the here and now. How much and what more would you like to see and at what costs? Yes, exactly and more can be done after the fight over cost/benefit is over. Ralph. By golly.....I think were making progress here. Now please Ralph......if only for grins, what more would you like to see, that is beyond what has already been said, that would "control" the climate? [Edited on 6-19-2018 by DaliDali]

Quote: Originally posted by David K

None of us who know the sea is not higher don't deny facts and the science which is observation, not prediction.

Quote: Originally posted by LancairDriver

Stunning Ignorance=fool looking in “the referee journal” for more disinformation put out by other fools.

so can we put you on the 'it's the volcanoes' list ??

Quote: Originally posted by bezzell

Quote: Originally posted by LancairDriver   Stunning Ignorance=fool looking in “the referee journal” for more disinformation put out by other fools. so can we put you on the 'it's the volcanoes' list ??

Quote: Originally posted by LancairDriver

Absolutely! If it helps distance me from the Al Gore worshipers cult.

Quote: Originally posted by Paco Facullo

"you'll go to your grave never figuring it out. guaranteed " And even IF one does figure it out, there's not a Damn thing any of us can do about it, SO " It just doesn't matter !!"

I wonder if the Sun could be the primary driver of temperature?

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid

Hundreds of under water volcanoes in the Antarctic create a unique environment of hot water upwelling causing melting in regions. Antartic is among the most dynamically rich regions for sea life globally due to warm water upwelling and has been forever with rapid ice melts and ice grows due to volcanic activity unrelated to human contribution of CO2 which is practically impersceptable.

Quote: Originally posted by Cliffy

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4192182/World...

Quote: Originally posted by Cliffy

You kind of made my point as this Nobel Laureate talks about in his opening sentence- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCy_UOjEir0

Quote: Originally posted by Cliffy

SO with all the charts and stuff he pulled up (as you wanted in your previous post), I guess it makes no difference. As he talked about in his first sentence, those who have the "religion" allow no distension at all. No difference of opinion, only the story from your side of the isle. It wouldn't matter WHO was brought up with a differing opinion, you and the cult followers will ALWAYS find some way to disavow anything, ANYONE brings up as bogus. Enjoy your world of opinion. You live in a tight circle.

Global warming deniers sure are funny.

Answer this question.

Quote: Originally posted by Paco Facullo

I think that next week I'm going to chop down those Darn palm trees and hopeful get this thread to end......

Seriously! If Fishbuck hadn't requested to see them, we may have never seen them here!
I guess I would need to show photos of Alfonsina's restaurant pad which was there since 1959... and still just above high tide today as back then. I have photos from 1967 there, too.

Quote: Originally posted by David K

Quote: Originally posted by Paco Facullo   I think that next week I'm going to chop down those Darn palm trees and hopeful get this thread to end...... Seriously! If Fishbuck hadn't requested to see them, we may have never seen them here! I guess I would need to show photos of Alfonsina's restaurant pad which was there since 1959... and still just above high tide today as back then. I have photos from 1967 there, too.

Dk,
You can’t see the forest for the tree.
It’s a big flocking world, and you are stuck on your narrow world view of 3 beaches in baja and 1 friggin palm tree!
Pull your head out of your a$$ and look up, the world is bigger than what you have seen.
What happens at alfonsinas is not representative of what happens elsewhere in the world. Doh!

[Edited on 6-21-2018 by mtgoat666]

https://sealevel.nasa.gov/

https://coast.noaa.gov/slr/




[Edited on 6-21-2018 by mtgoat666]

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

https://sealevel.nasa.gov/ https://coast.noaa.gov/slr/ [Edited on 6-21-2018 by mtgoat666]

Classic Mid-February day at any beach in San Diego. Maybe you should go climb the sand berm they build in OB some winter 666

Goat, it is called "sea level" because it is a standard point to measure elevation. The level goes up and down with tides and storm surges, but on average it is still about the same the past 100 years despite how 'dirty' mankind is. A single volcano is far dirtier, by the way, and there are dozens of volcanoes erupting. Nature has a way of handling all this 'dirt'.

I have a lot more than three points of reference but to you and those of your religious cult, facts do not matter. I lived in Del Mar, on the beach and the lot and street (Sandy Lane) are still above the sea as much now as in 1957-1964 when I lived there (want photos of me playing on the beach, lol?).

I lived in Darwin, Australia, in 1970 (Nightcliff district) about two blocks from the beach. On Google Earth, I can see the beach is still there today and not covered by rising sea level. Many different (solid) places on both coasts of Baja are still there. How many years will you guys be going to the ocean and to the same locations? For me, 60 years of memories. Sand moves but the sea level is virtually unchanged... not saying it isn't changing, just not in any amount for the hysteria to be justified.

There are better uses for your energy and tax dollars. Find some that actually are real, do good, and can be solved by people.

Baja Balls

Quote: Originally posted by David K

Quote: Originally posted by Paco Facullo   I think that next week I'm going to chop down those Darn palm trees and hopeful get this thread to end...... Seriously! If Fishbuck hadn't requested to see them, we may have never seen them here! I guess I would need to show photos of Alfonsina's restaurant pad which was there since 1959... and still just above high tide today as back then. I have photos from 1967 there, too.

From 10,000 ft
Seriously, there are only a few decades of scientific data with the degree of quality, sample size and all the other attributes needed to make a truly quantitative and not qualitative assessment.
Anything scientific is only an extrapolation.
There just isn't enough good data YET to be able to apply proven scientific methodologies to analyze a complex problem.

BTW, Joe's chart needs a branch for life on Mars to be a valid conspiracy

Quote: Originally posted by wilderone

So after 8 pages I opened the thread to see what it was about. 8 pages of nonsensical drivel. No, "fossil fuels ... are the sole culprit in any rising sea levels." No, the photos do not depict any mid-February beach in San Diego. No, CNN and MSNBC are not those who actually measure and analyze. Yes, the north pole is melting - undisputable. Yes, some places on earth are actually being covered in ocean water, and not in a seasonal, high tide kinda way. And for all you who think that a beach in Baja California is the Supreme Measuring Stick of global weather phenomenon and effects thereof, you're truly looking at the world in rose colored glasses, with a myopic view. How can any of you deny that PEOPLE on EARTH are responsible for certain effects of their existence. You truly think that cutting down a forest will have no effect? That spewing stuff in the atmosphere - similar to a volcano - will have no effect? Etcetera, etcetera. So many effects, no many mistakes, so much denial, so much selfishness, so much ignorance. I regret opening the thread - only underscores the ignorance of mankind, which is what I worry about.