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WHO begs world leaders to stop using lockdowns to control virus

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caj13 - 10-19-2020 at 11:23 AM

Hey Cliffy,
In response toy your post: can I ask you a question?

what number of deaths is acceptable to you? What's the number that you think is unacceptable? obviously not 250K, you have no issue with that.
500K?
a million?

whats the upper limit of acceptable deaths?

and one more thing, I am assuming you include yourself as one of those acceptable deaths - right?

JZ - 10-19-2020 at 12:06 PM

Quote: Originally posted by caj13  
Hey Cliffy,
In response toy your post: can I ask you a question?

what number of deaths is acceptable to you? What's the number that you think is unacceptable? obviously not 250K, you have no issue with that.
500K?
a million?

whats the upper limit of acceptable deaths?

and one more thing, I am assuming you include yourself as one of those acceptable deaths - right?


What number would have died anyway?

What number is acceptable to you to lose everything they have? 10M? 20M? 40M?

What number is acceptable to you to have serious mental health and/or substance issues? 5M? 10M?

What number of kids is acceptable to have their futures ruined? 20M? 40M?

Or are you getting a govt. check every month, so you don't give a crap? Just don't get me sick?


[Edited on 10-19-2020 by JZ]

John Harper - 10-19-2020 at 12:17 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  

Or are you getting a govt. check every month, so you don't give a crap?


Have you paid back that PPP loan you got? Or did the US taxpayers cover it?

Asking for a friend.

John

caj13 - 10-19-2020 at 12:22 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Quote: Originally posted by caj13  
Hey Cliffy,
In response toy your post: can I ask you a question?

what number of deaths is acceptable to you? What's the number that you think is unacceptable? obviously not 250K, you have no issue with that.
500K?
a million?

whats the upper limit of acceptable deaths?

and one more thing, I am assuming you include yourself as one of those acceptable deaths - right?


What number would have died anyway?

What number is acceptable to you to lose everything they have? 5M? 10M? 20M?

What number is acceptable to you to have serious mental health and/or substance issues? 3M? 5M?

What number of kids is acceptable to have their futures ruined? 20M? 40M?

Or are you getting a govt. check every month, so you don't give a crap? Just don't get me sick?



So my understanding is you are the one getting the government checks JZ - not me, I'm the idiot still paying my taxes so people like you get the checks - you ought to be thanking me!

actually studies are quite clear, the number dead because of the uSA/ trump denial / non reaction/ stopping testing is quite high, best SCIENTIFIC /MATHMATICAL models say more that 100K would still be alive. But thats just math and science - we all know how you choose ti ignore that!

as for your economic concerns - Have you ever - at any time in your life actually read any kind of History book? I assume you would be aware of numerous previous economic disasters - 1918, 1929, 1987, 2008 - and what happened to the economy after those disasters JZ? Do you have any idea?

and where's your science and basis for your mental health & childrens claims - other that right-wing websites spewing Russian propaganda and conspiracy theories?

No wonder you couldn't pass the BAR, The complete lack of ability to form cognizant arguments backed by real facts and figures would certainly be a significant hindrance to a lawyer - right.

So I assume you would be just fine with you dying next month, so the local Taco shop could seat more that 50% capacity. Because i would be all for that, trading your life so the taco shop could open back up!

JZ - 10-19-2020 at 12:40 PM

Ok, so the answer is you don't give a chit about anyone else. Noted.






Tioloco - 10-19-2020 at 12:40 PM

Quote: Originally posted by John Harper  
Quote: Originally posted by JZ  

Or are you getting a govt. check every month, so you don't give a crap?


Have you paid back that PPP loan you got? Or did the US taxpayers cover it?

Asking for a friend.

John


Coming from the guy with a lifetime of sucking on the govt teet and actually thinks his government job was a really hard job.
:yawn:

[Edited on 10-19-2020 by Tioloco]

Expecting (Accepting) the Worst ?

MrBillM - 10-19-2020 at 03:16 PM

Given that the current multi-states upward trend in COVID infections and hospitalizations is occurring while restrictions of varying degree are in place and even advocates of removing most (or all) restrictions acknowledge that those rates would increase substantially as a result .................... what would be the plan ?

There are already metro and rural areas in which the hospital capacity is nearing saturation and non-COVID cases are being turned away. At some point, long before any so-called "Herd Immunity" might take effect, it seems that the medical-care system would be completely overwhelmed.

What then ?

JZ - 10-19-2020 at 06:54 PM

Columbia University says 8M Americans slipped into poverty due to Covid lockdowns since May

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/8-million-americans-sli...

But the Coronabros on here tell ppl to stay at home while they have govt. checks mailed to them. Screw the ppl who need the economy to survive.



[Edited on 10-20-2020 by JZ]

mtgoat666 - 10-19-2020 at 07:30 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Columbia says 8M Americans slip into poverty due to Covid lockdowns since May

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/8-million-americans-sli...

But the Coronabros on here tell ppl to stay at home while they have govt. checks mailed to them. Screw the ppl who need the economy to survive.
[Edited on 10-20-2020 by JZ]


Should the poor be working frontline jobs serving the rich, and paying for it by dieing of covid? Or should rich be taxed to support the poor in time of national emergency?
Jizz: during this time of pandemic you seem to not work and spend most of your time on vacation, and collect government payments for supposed failing business,... seems like you could afford to pay some more taxes to support the poor, eh?
If you can afford to be on vacation 50% of the year, perhaps you don’t need govt bailout of your failing business.

At 5’1” do you shop for clothes in the men’s department or the boys section?

Cliffy - 10-19-2020 at 07:40 PM

Well how many deaths are you comfortable with from medical malpractice? Is the following OK with you? Assuming you go to a doctor once in a while or maybe you don't get sick

The researchers estimated that an annual 251,454 U.S. deaths — or 9.5% of all annual U.S. deaths — resulted from medical error, making it the third leading cause of death in the country.Oct 18, 2019

Now should we shut down all hospitals and Dr offices until the numbers improve? Or do we seem to accept that there will be deaths incurred in medical treatment?

Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including more than 41,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure. This is about one in five deaths annually, or 1,300 deaths every day. On average, smokers die 10 years earlier than nonsmokers.Mar 23, 2020

OK should we immediately stop all smoking to save the 41,000 second hand smoke deaths every year or do we just accept that some number will die every year from second hand smoke they have no control over and operate as normal? I'm discounting the 440,000 smokers who die every year because the made that choice.

How many CV deaths are YOU willing to accept in order to go back to normal living like we do with every other deadly disease because CV WILL NEVER REACH ZERO DEATHS FROM NOW ON-NEVER! There will always be people dying of CV.

YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT SOME NUMBER- WHAT IS IT?

Again, where is the tipping point between the disease and how we handle it with the ancillary very real risks?

What would you say to the single mother of 3 who only knows how to wait tables and is trying to keep her family feed while pious people (many with uninterrupted incomes) tell her she can't go to work BUT we can go the Costco and Walmart every day? We can go to Home Depot and shop, we can go many places that somehow are immune to the transmission of CV but we can't go back to normal living?

And yes I am in one of the high risk groups just like Trump- same age - same weight.



JZ - 10-19-2020 at 07:42 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  


Should the poor be working frontline jobs serving the rich, and paying for it by dieing of covid? Or should rich be taxed to support the poor in time of national emergency?
Jizz: during this time of pandemic you seem to not work and spend most of your time on vacation, and collect government payments for supposed failing business,... seems like you could afford to pay some more taxes to support the poor, eh?
If you can afford to be on vacation 50% of the year, perhaps you don’t need govt bailout of your failing business.

At 5’1” do you shop for clothes in the men’s department or the boys section?


My kid is currently in quarantine in FL at her college. This is the sniffles for 99.985% of the young and healthy.

Protect the ones at risk who need to be sheltered from this very bad disease. Let the ones who can and need to work and live do so.

Stop using lock downs as 1) a political weapon (Goat/caj13) or because 2) you only care about yourself (Motoged/John Harper/Pacificobob).


[Edited on 10-20-2020 by JZ]

JZ - 10-19-2020 at 08:04 PM

Excellent points Cliffy.

How many traffic deaths and long-term severe injuries can caj13 sleep good about at night. Because they can all be prevented if we want to.


"Approximately 1.35 million people die in road crashes each year, on average 3,700 people lose their lives every day on the roads. An additional 20-50 million suffer non-fatal injuries, often resulting in long-term disabilities."

In the end caj13 and goat don't give a chit about who dies, or who suffers because of lock-downs. They want the economy to tank.


[Edited on 10-20-2020 by JZ]

Tioloco - 10-19-2020 at 10:20 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Excellent points Cliffy.

How many traffic deaths and long-term severe injuries can caj13 sleep good about at night. Because they can all be prevented if we want to.


"Approximately 1.35 million people die in road crashes each year, on average 3,700 people lose their lives every day on the roads. An additional 20-50 million suffer non-fatal injuries, often resulting in long-term disabilities."

In the end caj13 and goat don't give a chit about who dies, or who suffers because of lock-downs. They want the economy to tank.


[Edited on 10-20-2020 by JZ]


You are correct. And dont forget the ones like John Harper who prefer the lockdown so they can get paid to stay home and avoid actually working for their pay. Clear to see their selfish reason for wanting the lockdown. They dont relate to those that dont earn money when they dont work. But sadly this is the reality we face. Self righteousness at its worst.

John Harper - 10-20-2020 at 07:20 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco  
And dont forget the ones like John Harper who prefer the lockdown so they can get paid to stay home and avoid actually working for their pay.


I've been on campus all day, every day since the first day of school, August 25th. Not sure where you're getting your information. You're welcome to stop by and say hello.

I'm sorry you only earned a GED (or certificate?) and are bitter, but it's your own fault, not mine. Some of us are smart, resourceful, and hard working enough to be successful at two rewarding careers. I guess you're not one of them.

John

[Edited on 10-20-2020 by John Harper]

Tioloco - 10-20-2020 at 07:41 AM

Quote: Originally posted by John Harper  
Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco  
And dont forget the ones like John Harper who prefer the lockdown so they can get paid to stay home and avoid actually working for their pay.


I've been on campus all day, every day since the first day of school, August 25th. Not sure where you're getting your information. You're welcome to stop by and say hello.

I'm sorry you only earned a GED (or certificate?) and are bitter, but it's your own fault, not mine. Some of us are smart, resourceful, and hard working enough to be successful at two rewarding careers. I guess you're not one of them.

John

[Edited on 10-20-2020 by John Harper]


Haha! Not only an underpaid public servant... He is an unpaid comedian too. Glad you are so successful at both of those “careers”

John Harper - 10-20-2020 at 08:55 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco  
Haha! Not only an underpaid public servant... He is an unpaid comedian too. Glad you are so successful at both of those “careers”


Comedy would be a third career. But, if I can get a smile out of an old fart like you, I'm sure I'd succeed in that endeavor as well. Happy Halloween!

John

[Edited on 10-20-2020 by John Harper]

Cliffy - 10-20-2020 at 09:06 AM

"If your kid learned her poor hygiene from you, no wonder he/she got sick."

I love this one - A personal attack on a young kid as if any hygiene regime could completely stop the spread of ANY disease with the exception of complete sequestration from life. Get Real. When you run out of ideas you go to personal attacks. But then again that's who you are.

Why no mention of the fact that younger, healthy people don't get real sick from this virus. No discussion of the UCLA/Stanford study showing that only 6% of COVID deaths were actually attributable to COVID alone (@ 13,200). The 94% had numerous underlying heath issues that caused the decline to death NOT COVID alone. Protect the vulnerable as best as possible and go on with life. But some people are going to succumb to COVID, no way around it.

My question has always been - what's the end game? Do we shut down everything for the next 100 years and watch as people die from the ancillary effects of the shut down?

Tell me how long you would accept a complete shut down?
How long would you go without an income? (1/2 of all restaurants in NYC will never reopen. Most were single proprietor businesses with the owner having everything they own invested in the business. What do you tell them? Too bad, starve to death because I don't want you work at your business? OH but wait, you can go to Walmart if you want. )
Tell me your plan to reopen everything?
What is YOUR plan? Because-

COVID ain't going away and people have to live their lives somehow

SO instead of b-tching and moaning about others GIVE US YOUR PLAN

JZ - 10-20-2020 at 09:22 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Cliffy  

My question has always been - what's the end game? Do we shut down everything for the next 100 years and watch as people die from the ancillary effects of the shut down?



The end game is the election.


[Edited on 10-20-2020 by JZ]

caj13 - 10-20-2020 at 10:18 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Ok, so the answer is you don't give a chit about anyone else. Noted.







Your reading comprehension seems to be severely lacking JZ. Can I suggest tutor to get you up to a 8th grade comprehension level?

caj13 - 10-20-2020 at 10:21 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  


Should the poor be working frontline jobs serving the rich, and paying for it by dieing of covid? Or should rich be taxed to support the poor in time of national emergency?
Jizz: during this time of pandemic you seem to not work and spend most of your time on vacation, and collect government payments for supposed failing business,... seems like you could afford to pay some more taxes to support the poor, eh?
If you can afford to be on vacation 50% of the year, perhaps you don’t need govt bailout of your failing business.

At 5’1” do you shop for clothes in the men’s department or the boys section?


My kid is currently in quarantine in FL at her college. This is the sniffles for 99.985% of the young and healthy.

Protect the ones at risk who need to be sheltered from this very bad disease. Let the ones who can and need to work and live do so.

Stop using lock downs as 1) a political weapon (Goat/caj13) or because 2) you only care about yourself (Motoged/John Harper/Pacificobob).


[Edited on 10-20-2020 by JZ]


Once again with the lockdowns? JZ what states are currently locked down? who is locked down, you keep spouting that, but I see no one "locked down". Can you give me an example of locked down ?

I do see positive test individuals quarantined - so is that who you are talking about as being locked down?

Cliffy - 10-20-2020 at 05:54 PM

"The end game is the election"

My postulation has remained the same since March-

COVID will magically disappear from the news Nov 4th no matter who gets elected.

mtgoat666 - 10-20-2020 at 06:44 PM

Nobody is “locked down.” Government has simply told you to practice social distancing and wear a flocking mask. A few irresponsible communities have been told to temporarily restrict certain activities, because the citizens can’t or wont follow social distancing requirements And have pandemic raging amongst them.

Regarding restaurants failing, restaurants always fail, they shall return. Anyhow, even without restrictions, the majority of right-minded customers do not want to eat out in midst of pandemic respiratory disease...


JZ - 10-20-2020 at 06:53 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Nobody is “locked down.” Government has simply told you to practice social distancing and wear a flocking mask. A few irresponsible communities have been told to temporarily restrict certain activities, because the citizens can’t or wont follow social distancing requirements And have pandemic raging amongst them.

Regarding restaurants failing, restaurants always fail, they shall return. Anyhow, even without restrictions, the majority of right-minded customers do not want to eat out in midst of pandemic respiratory disease...



Hopefully the govt. takes everything you have one day and gives it to someone else. On that day I hope you realize the err of your ways.


John Harper - 10-21-2020 at 05:44 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  

Hopefully the govt. takes everything you have one day and gives it to someone else. On that day I hope you realize the err of your ways.


Wow, you are mainlining "Donald's Hard KoolAid" with that comment. I'm sure you're going to be just fine huddled down in your gated community.

John

Lockdown ? What Lockdown ?

MrBillM - 10-21-2020 at 09:05 AM

Reading and listening to the Whine, Moan and Groan occasioned by the inconsistent and (mostly) unenforced "curtailments", it's interesting to see what is occurring in other regions as the COVID virus returns with a vengeance.

From the Irish Republican News:

" ..... After weeks of vacillation and infighting, the Dublin government has responded to inexorably rising levels of the coronavirus in Ireland with a stringent, six-week ‘level 5’ lockdown.

The deeply unpopular move could, if successful, allow a high level of normality to be restored in time for Christmas -- but if not, it could threaten the stability of the three-party coalition.

Taoiseach Micheál Martin announced the restrictions that the 26 Counties will endure for six weeks, from Wednesday night. He put the onus on the public to abide by the new rules, declaring his government “cannot fight the virus alone”.

As with the first lockdown in the Spring, all non-essential retail outlets will have to close, as well as hairdressers, salons, gyms, museums and galleries. Pubs, cafes and restaurants will only be able to serve takeaway.

People will not be allowed to travel beyond 5km from home unless for essential purposes, with police will monitor and issue fines to those deemed to be breaching the restrictions.

People wil only be permitted to go within five kilometres of their homes for exercise, and will not be permitted to visit the homes or gardens of others anywhere. People will be allowed to meet up outdoors with one other household within 5km.

Weddings will remain limited to 25 guests until the end of the year, and funeral limited to just ten people. Schools and creches will remain open, however, and construction, manufacturing and top level sports will be permitted to go ahead if deemed ‘essential’. People are asked to work from home where possible.

Those living alone, parenting alone or vulnerable can have close contact with one other nominated household.

Meanwhile, the special Pandemic Unemployment Payment is to be restored to €350 a week, but only for those previously earning €400 or above, with lower payments for those on poorer incomes.

“We work to suppress the virus when it is growing and we work to reopen as much of our society and economy as possible when it is safe to do so. Until we have a safe vaccine, we must continue in that pattern,” Mr Martin said.

This is the reality, he claimed, in the rest of the world, but he acknowledged restrictions in the 26 Counties had been draconian in comparison with other states.

“Where are we now in that cycle? In the effort to suppress the virus, we have introduced what is probably Europe’s strictest regime.

“As a result of this, we can see some evidence that these restrictions have been effective in slowing the growth and spread of the virus.

“However, as these figures show, these restrictions on their own have not been enough to significantly reduce the levels of infection,” Mr Martin said.

Further action is now required, he insisted, as a potentially grave situation lay ahead otherwise.

A ‘zero Covid’ strategy of locking down the island and using the sea as a barrier to infection was “not an option”, he declared, and he said the so-called ‘herd immunity’ approach of allowing the disease to spread was also “non-negotiable”.

“I understand the sense of disappointment, loneliness and despair this announcement will bring. Even as the winter comes in there is hope and there is light,” said Mr Martin.

“If we pull together over the next six weeks we will be able to celebrate Christmas in a meaningful way,” he added.

In the past week, some 7,500 more people have tested positive for carrying the virus, and a total of 18 have died. The number currently infected in the 26 Counties is estimated at up to 50,000, while the numbers of patients in intensive care units is 34 ....."

gnukid - 10-21-2020 at 11:06 AM

There are clearly two streams of thought, there is an integrated plan to create a theme of pandemic, regardless of criteria, number of deaths, of evidence of a unique illness. All the while, today, there are practically zero deaths of common influenza which was typically the cause of millions of deaths, supposedly, annually, now those deaths are swapped out as categorized os CV deaths? Why?

Each year it seems a new pandemic is announced, promoted, SARs, Bird Flu, Swine Flu, etc. though those also have had little impact while being exaggerated, recall, under Obama they admisttedly stopped testing for whatever it was called then and maintained the call for millions of deaths from pandemic, while none existed, and they did little about it.

Today, there are mass mobility restrictions, denial of that is absurd, few can go to work, doing so is against the rules. Few can go to church, gym, parks, restaurants, schools, any facility one has strict requirements to stand 2 or meters apart, stand within a circle, use unknown chemicals submit to untrained people pointing lazer pistols at you, stand in chemical trays, many cities and states have up to 14 day quarantines for those arriving out of state, such as Hawaii, and regions in Canada, while other states have no restrictions, and no increases in statistical cases/deaths.

There is no relationship from statistical evidence of actual evidence of pandemic, to successful policy and action. If there was an illness that required action we could/would have invested in health infrastructure, but we did not. There is no health discussion of vitamins, minerals, diet, exercise, fresh air, rest, or of actual causes of colds and flu which include environmental toxins.

Instead, the focus has been altering human way of life, a Global Reset, Technological Revolution that promotes robotics, automation, simulation, ecology, changes in transportation to reduce cars, alter energy use and promote wind and solar, reduced use transit and mobility, oddly, deferred general health appointments.

Traditionally, there are two theoretical types of health approaches, homeopathic and allopathic, as well, two theoretical approaches to illness, cell (terrain) theory and germ (viral) theory. Those two distinct paths focus on either the idea that cause of illness is external influence or internal influence, either your behavior, diet, exercise and environment are the cause of illness or some external germ/viral toxin.

The USA has largely adopted a biopharma approach with a focus on medicine and procedures to address symptoms of illness, that approach depends on "Health Policy for Profit" while the result is entering a hospital and engaging medical care is among the most high risk actions you can pursue, often resulting in death. The US health policy is among the most expensive and highest risk in the world, yet few question it. Few seem to recall history and prefer to believein the next miracle cure.

Few recall Fauci and Gates promoted AIDS as a viral infectious disease which is absolutely false. No evidence was ever demonstrated by Fauci to show the HIV is a contagious virus that is the cause of AIDS, though few remember. Fauci's promotion of the discovery of the cause of AIDS was fraud. Fauci and his biopharma promoted and sold AZT to fight AIDS, it caused significant harm, and provided no help. They profited. There never existed an actual test for AIDS though they promoted a long list of tests. Today, no test exists for AIDS other than a variable list of questions, nor does there exist a vaccine for HIV after more than 40 years, yet he wants you to believe that a fast track today will find a vaccine in one year?

Today, the same test used for HIV/AIDS is used for COVID19, nothing has changed, though few pay enough attention to understand, there is nothing unique or different today. RT PCR is a general test for any abnormal pathogen and presence of RNA, could be a cold or flu or anything.

World Economic Forum along with various coalitions of Globalists have used these promoted pandemics over and over to profit and control, today is no different. It is a global strategy to control society, curtail populations, control energy use, all for profit, debt, and now to justify contact surveillance control.

There will always be those who are willing victims, promoters of their now demise. Evidenced here on Nomads, there is a portion of people who are unable and unwilling to evaluate statistics, society, history, and prefer to engage in lockstep, precipitating their own demise.

Today, many countries are implementing a new and more extreme phase of lockdown restrictions, Most of Canada, Australia, Great Britain, Wales, Scotland, much western Europe etc have or are in the process of implementing highly restrictive lockdown with penalties for those who venture out outside of distance limits for reasons other than the limited allowance, medical care of those who are critical, food, immediate family care, etc. Some of those countries are aggressively imprisoning those who do not comply, violently arresting women, seniors, anyone who stops out of the limited set of approved behaviors.

Question: Why are some Nomads defiantly promoting these restrictive policies and failing to question that lack of evidence of pandemic, or the suspicious repetition of promoted variation of flu like illness, albeit that has always existed, yet now is a compelling reason for altering society, restrictions of freedom of movement, and justification of deferred health care, resulting in mass loss of wages, reduction in GNP, all the while there is no overall increase in macro deaths or flu like illness, and a suspicious global policy to promote highly restrictive society with Global Reset?

Science has always been equated with skepticism, science has never meant do not question, accept biopharmas medicine without critical analysis? Never before has a vaccine been developed, fast tracked and released for any illness and never before has an RNA virus vaccine ever been successful, yet, here you have a large contingent unwilling to question or use critical thinking to ask is there evidence for justification of restriction, lockdown, rapid high risk vaccine deployment, unquestioning lockstep with globalists and biopharma intent on promoting pandemic where there is none?

Perhaps today is day to calmly take time to review the long history of these promoted viruses, turn off the TV, investigate what is a virus? What is WEF Global Reset and why are viral pandemics so often proved as a catalyst for Globalism?

Ask questions.

If you are unable to ask questions perhaps remain cautious and skeptical, while waiting for evidence?




[Edited on 10-22-2020 by gnukid]

The Question to be asked IS ...................

MrBillM - 10-21-2020 at 12:20 PM

........... WTF is wrong with the GNUdist ?

Cliffy - 10-21-2020 at 05:24 PM

gnukid - HOME RUN!!!!!

Why are all the armchair pundits so silent now?

[Edited on 10-22-2020 by Cliffy]

John Harper - 10-21-2020 at 06:07 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Cliffy  

Why are all the armchair pundits so silent now?


Not silent, just left speechless. What buffoonery. Absolute nonsense.

I assume when we all kept lights off and blinds closed during WW2 here on the West Coast, you would have found that an infringement on your freedoms? I wonder how your neighbors would have reacted under potential threat of Japanese bombs? How about if you lived in London during WW2? Would you light up your house?

Or, like people in medieval times, if you can't see something, it doesn't exist? Are you daft? I think we all know the answer to that one.

John


[Edited on 10-22-2020 by John Harper]

caj13 - 10-21-2020 at 06:25 PM

Well you have to give Gnuey a bit of credit. he appears to have learned that when he posts a bunch of conspiracy theories and easily proven false "medical claims" by unqualified individuals with links to websites and references to "support" his contentions, those get checked, exposed for the fraud they are, and gnuey looks like an illiterate goon parroting ignorance and unicorn glitter!

so now he just makes the unsubstantiated claims without citations.
The good news is we don't have to go check all these websites,

Gnuey, you are completely wrong, you wouldn't know science if it bit right on the sunshine entry orifice you use on a daily basis!

mtgoat666 - 10-21-2020 at 06:56 PM

Quote: Originally posted by John Harper  
Quote: Originally posted by Cliffy  

Why are all the armchair pundits so silent now?


Not silent, just left speechless. What buffoonery. Absolute nonsense.

I assume when we all kept lights off and blinds closed during WW2 here on the West Coast, you would have found that an infringement on your freedoms? I wonder how your neighbors would have reacted under potential threat of Japanese bombs? How about if you lived in London during WW2? Would you light up your house?

Or, like people in medieval times, if you can't see something, it doesn't exist? Are you daft? I think we all know the answer to that one.

John


[Edited on 10-22-2020 by John Harper]


People like newkid and jizz are the type that fought seat belt laws because they thought they were giving up rights. There is no hope for these ignorant dolts.



JZ - 10-21-2020 at 07:15 PM

Quote: Originally posted by John Harper  


I assume when we all kept lights off and blinds closed during WW2 here on the West Coast, you would have found that an infringement on your freedoms?



This right here explains everything. Covid is not WW2. You crap on the great and proud men and women who lived through that awful war by suggesting that. Including my pops.

But some are trying to make it seem like WW2. 1/2 of them because Orange Man Bad.

I don't like Orange Man. But I don't hate him enough to put 340M Americans through hell to get him out of office. Or want him out so bad that 50M Americans being crushed financially is okay with me.

Goat and others are evil ppl.


[Edited on 10-22-2020 by JZ]

motoged - 10-22-2020 at 12:40 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
blah blah blah....

Goat and others are evil ppl.

[Edited on 10-22-2020 by JZ]


That's a phrase you like to use....it's part of the dog whistle for your kind

Your WW II reference is a bizarre stretch....

The Jiz is unravelling....just as his pal Drump is.

Has your prescription run out?


John Harper - 10-22-2020 at 09:28 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Quote: Originally posted by John Harper  


I assume when we all kept lights off and blinds closed during WW2 here on the West Coast, you would have found that an infringement on your freedoms?



This right here explains everything. Covid is not WW2. You crap on the great and proud men and women who lived through that awful war by suggesting that. Including my pops.



So doing something irresponsible that might not just affect you, but your entire neighborhood (or town) is not the same? Give me a break.

I'm sure your pops is really proud of you and your attitude toward fellow Americans.

He must have had you very late in life (that might explain things), since my deceased father, who actually fought in WW2, would be 98 years old today.

John

motoged - 10-22-2020 at 11:51 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Cliffy  


COVID will magically disappear from the news Nov 4th no matter who gets elected.


How much $$$$ are you willing to put on the table to support your belief?

motoged - 10-22-2020 at 11:57 AM

Quote: Originally posted by John Harper  
.....

I'm sure your pops is really proud of you and your attitude toward fellow Americans.

He must have had you very late in life (that might explain things), since my deceased father, who actually fought in WW2, would be 98 years old today.

John


Yeah, I was using all my fingers and toes to compute the math on Jizz's claim.....and came up with something close to your numbers.

Stolen honour ..... and bringing another unsubstantiated claim ( like how many families and IF Jizz supports in Sonora).

How low can a short guy stoop to get attention?

[Edited on 10-22-2020 by motoged]

gnukid - 10-22-2020 at 12:03 PM

The CV promoted restrictions and advice to wear face masks, isolate, use chemical hand wash, and distance are supposedly to reduce risk to avoid death, though at best, those measures can only delay the inevitable contact? While the measures also encourage delaying regular health care visits and optional procedures to reduce risk, while causing significant harm to physical, mental and financial health?

The theory is you reduce risk by being alone at home alone, while deteriorating slowly by reducing risk, instead of living normally, instead of living a high quality life which includes risk?

Life always has had risk, living life is about risk, since when did living risk free become a rational goal? Since when is risk free a successful model for survival?

All the while Bill Gates promotes abortion services and population reduction including in his own words, "vaccines to reduce populations", Gates and Fauci promote mass vaccinations of all people on the globe? Interesting these goals are intertwined to vaccinate all people and reduce populations?

Today, in the USA, near term abortions are approved up to the day of birth in some states? These policies largely harm lower income minority populations more so than wealthy Caucasians, and these policies have been broadly supported by Gates foundation and Bill Gates sr specifically along with Planned Parenthood. So here we have these supposed risk adverse promoters promoting aborting babies up to the day of birth?

Many of their promoted vaccines have inadequate testing, yet are promoted and distributed resulting in large scale injury and deaths, as an acceptable outcome. A recent lawsuit against the USA Gov demanded proof of efficacy of vaccines as required by law, none had been provided in over 40 years?

All the while there is no pandemic, no increase in overall macro deaths, nothing overall different from any other year? We have always had colds and flu that mutate resulting in millions of deaths a year, yet we never manipulated that into justification for restriction on mobility etc.

The RT PCR CV test can not test to isolate a unique viral infection, and by admission produces gross false positives at %80? No unique CV virus has been isolated. CV mutations have been known to exist in our population for more than 40 years, even the common cold is a corona virus and can create a positive result from RT PCR test?

Total global common influenza infections are now practically zero, suggesting they simply swapped out one flu like infection for another?

WHO's official policy is that pandemic has no relation to cases/deaths?

Never before have healthy people been quarantined? Yet now every person is suspected of being asymptomatic carriers requiring restriction?

All small business as many global businesses are under restrictions causing loss of income, while global big box stores like Walmart, Target, Amazon are growing, effectivling replacing small business competition?

When will people see that tyranny is in place, religion, schools, freedom to gather, even free speech is restricted by tyrannical controls, all based on fallacious logic and lack of justification, yet, we have masses who adamantly promote these restrictions? Those who are rabid about promoting restrictions, and measures to control behavior are most often government workers, academics, politicians who are still employed at full wages while the average workers are largely suffering reduced employment?

Here are the "Haves" rabidly attacking the "Have Nots" for asking basic questions about the cost of restrictions and lockdown versus the justification of benefit?

Our society is divided into the "rabid tyrannical proponents" for isolation of "healthy people" versus us "normies" who insist lockdown restrictions are more harmful to health while only delaying an inevitable contact with biodiversity viruses, while we have always had viruses and have always managed to emerge stronger with shared herd immunity.

More so, those who seem most adamant about restrictions are those who have the worst health, their claim of risk from existing health conditions are most often DUE TO LIFESTYLE CHOICES, smoking, obesity, alcohol, diet, and exercise, yet, these rabid lockdown restriction promoters won't or can't make changes on their lives to improve their health? The high risk seniors, who fear their imminent unavoidable death, demand that healthy people, kids, teenagers, all other people must be restricted to provide some absurd rational that they might live longer, albeit alone, inside, risk adverse.

The lack of ability to see the costs of restrictions all for manipulation and mental gyrations to justify a tyrannical socialist control is the weakness that is causing the most harm, early deaths of certain lower income, high risks groups, all to support the selfish myopic view that restricting all ofsiciety might buy an unhealthy senior who made poor lifestyle choices an extra week in the hospital delaying their inevitable death.

So here we are, divided, rabid, risk adverse, high risk, seniors, on pension, demanding all healthy people suffer great consequences, for their short term delay of the inevitable mortality.

Thanks GOAT, mrBill, John Harper! Consider how your illogical demands hurt healthy people, the future of our society, our children, all for your selfish and absurd demands for tyranny against healthy people. Today, you are the outspoken enemy of freedom and all things that made the USA a place for risk, and innovation and successful place for small businesses to be able to grow, while you have become militants for tyrannical socialist control.


Read Goat, Bill, John's post, they consistently attack yet fail to question, defer to evidence, logic, and fail to show respect to others, they provide no evidence to support their demand for socialist tyranny and instead want to lock children and healthy people inside to justify some idea that it will reduce their health risk, all the while they can't make their own necessary changes in their life for their personal health?

Here's some advice to those railing for rabid restrictions, "SKIP A MEAL" "EXERCISE" "VEGETABLES" "REST" "RELAX" FRESH AIR" and mind your personal health as your focus and let healthy people get back to living their lives.

[Edited on 10-22-2020 by gnukid]

John Harper - 10-22-2020 at 12:08 PM

Quote: Originally posted by motoged  

How low can a short guy stoop to get attention?


Lower than a snake's belly.

Maybe his father was Anthony Quinn? He fathered a child at age 81.

John

John Harper - 10-22-2020 at 12:11 PM

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid  
Thanks GOAT, mrBill, John Harper! Consider how your illogical demands hurt healthy people, the future of our society, our children, all for your selfish demands.


All we've ever advocated is that people listen to the experts and follow health guidelines from our local, state, and federal governments. Something selfish about being a good citizen? Is it really that difficult to wear a mask? What exactly are you trying to prove? That ignorance and irresponsibility is a solution?

John

[Edited on 10-22-2020 by John Harper]

gnukid - 10-22-2020 at 12:35 PM

Quote: Originally posted by John Harper  
Quote: Originally posted by gnukid  
Thanks GOAT, mrBill, John Harper! Consider how your illogical demands hurt healthy people, the future of our society, our children, all for your selfish demands.


All we've ever advocated is that people listen to the experts and follow health guidelines from our local, state, and federal governments. Something selfish about being a good citizen? Is it really that difficult to wear a mask? What exactly are you trying to prove? That ignorance and irresponsibility is a solution?

John

[Edited on 10-22-2020 by John Harper]


Experts like Bill Gates, Biden, etc who have no education nor successful background in health, or worse, Fauci who has a long track record of failures, for example claiming HIV causes AIDS and promoting AZT while personally profiting? Fauci has no on the ground experience, he has a demonstrated agenda for BioPharma, he is listed as an owner of vaccines, and personally profits, he corrupted both the CDC and WHO, and has been publicly revealed to have a conflict of interest, resulting in a series of confusing flip-flops and severe harm to our society, while, science is not a one stop shop, skepticism is science, we must question what is the evidence, what is the risk versus reward, what harm is caused to our broad demographics through these measures to quarantine healthy people, and worse of all children?

mtgoat666 - 10-22-2020 at 02:06 PM

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid  
...Fauci who has a long track record of failures, for example claiming HIV causes AIDS...


Paul, you are talking nonsense, it is fact that HIV causes AIDS.

gnukid - 10-22-2020 at 07:10 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by gnukid  
...Fauci who has a long track record of failures, for example claiming HIV causes AIDS...


Paul, you are talking nonsense, it is fact that HIV causes AIDS.


Well, there you go again.

Goat=Sociopath

Anyone can do the research to see that Dr Gallo and Fauci falsified the claim that HIV is a cause of AIDS, the Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome, which is a general syndrome of poor health. Many court cases were decided to show fallacy of connection, no isolation of AIDS as a unique disease, no test because there is no unique illness that is isolated, just as there s no unique COVID19 isolated virus?

Goat illustrates his gross ignorance of basic health by promoting HIV=AIDS which is well documented as false, using RT PCR as a test, along with the same RT-PCR test used for SARSII-COVID-19, based on no validated isolation.

This is not an argument from me or Goat, do a search on does HIV cause AIDS, is the RT PCR test a valid test for HIV or COVID19.

I can provide hundreds of studies and documentaries, and I have to show the fallacy of this Fauci promoted lie, yet it is up to you to do your own research and read, or end up like Goat, Bill, and Harper, blaming children for health risk, and restricting kids birthday parties?


[Edited on 10-23-2020 by gnukid]

gnukid - 10-22-2020 at 07:30 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTxvmKHYajQ

Dr. Fauci is leading promotor of SARS II COVID19 as a global threat requiring physical isolation, reduced physical activity outdoors, global life changing economic shutdown and unprecedented, unexplainable loss if individual inalienable rights and freedom guaranteed by our constitution as the mark of our liberty and model for our society, while touting a looming deadly pre-simulated pandemic.


Fauci, along with Gallo and Gates emphatically promoted a direct connection between HIV and AIDS and treatment with the drug AZT.

Gates promoted the HPV global vaccine that was extremely damaging to young girls, needlessly.

AZT was also extremely damaging, HIV is not demonstrated to be a direct cause of AIDS. Surprisingly if you ask for an AIDS test, there is no test nor a uniquely identified signature for AIDS, there is only a questionnaire, and the questions are different depending on which country you are in.

Seriously. Does anyone recall the fear of catching AIDS? And now what? It turns out that lifestyle and nutrition is a cause of immunodeficiency. HIV-AIDS-AZT was a fraud, a scam and the profited and took over health care budgets through fraud now, they are in control and continue to put populations even more so at risk.

Fauci also touted a questionnaire for Covid19 initially in cooperation with Google? also a 5 minute quick test, even the PCR tests as the so called standard today, reportedly, should not be used for SARS II Covid19 and results in 80% false positive. Today, only DNA isolation under microscope can identify SARS II Covid19 virus in a patient, though apparently a antibody blood test is developed to see if you carry antibodies for COVID19.

Let’s ask ourselves, who is Dr. Fauci , what is his role, what is his past, present involvement and partnerships, and whose best interest is he working for?

Personally, when I listen to Fauci and Gates speak, they promote perpetual uncertainty, fear, exaggeration, and soon, maybe, a vaccine that he requires you to take.

I’m not filled with confidence, I don’t hear common sense health and wellness leadership that resonates with experience, I hear fear, confusion, nonsense, modeling, simulation, sensationalism and in general an unsuccessful, and harmful approach to our society that has significantly harmed each of our ability to survive in a healthy environment.


REFERENCES
- Adams, Jad: AIDS, The HIV Myth, St. Martin's Press, NY, 1989.
- Bethel, Tom: "The Cure that Failed: Did the AIDS lobby know what it was doing when it pressed the government to approve AZT?" National Review, 10 May 1993, pp.33-35.
- Duesberg, Peter: "AIDS Acquired by Drug Consumption and Other Non-Contagious Risk Factors", Pharmac. Ther. 55:201-277, 1992. Also see: Duesberg, P.: Infectious AIDS: Have We Been Misled?, North Atlantic Books, Berkeley, 1996; and AIDS; Virus or Drug Induced?; Contemporary Issues in Genetics and Evolution, Vol. 5, Edited by Peter H. Duesberg (Partly reprinted from Genetica Vol. 95, No. 1-3, 1995) Kluwer Academics Press Dordrecht, The Netherlands,1996.
- Fumento, Michael: The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS: How a Tragedy has been Distorted by Media and Partisan Politics, Basic Books, NY 1990.
- Fumento, M.: "Teenaids, the Latest HIV Fib", New Republic, 10 August 1992, pp.17-19.
- Rappoport, J.: AIDS, Inc.: Scandal of the Century, Human Energy Press, San Bruno, CA, 1988.
- Root-Bernstein, Robert: Rethinking AIDS: The Tragic Cost of Premature Consensus, Free Press, NY, 1993.
- Harman, Robert: "The Emotional Plague and the AIDS Hysteria," Journal of Orgonomy, 22(2):173-195, Nov. 1988.
Postscript : Controlled scientific studies have recently been undertaken on the Western Blot and ELISA "AIDS tests", demonstrating a very high rate of false-positives among both sick and healthy people who have never been exposed to HIV, but who have, instead, previously experienced general immunological stress of various sorts. These "AIDS tests" often yield a "positive" result if the tested individual has previously been exposed to other viruses and microbes, foreign blood proteins (as from transfusions), and/or excessive toxic illegal or legal drugs, including excessive antibiotics. HIV has very little to do with the "positivity" of the so-called "AIDS tests". These new studies further prove that AIDS is not an infectious disorder and has little or no relationship to the virus HIV. See:
Eleini Papadopulos-Eleopulos, et al: "Is a Postive Western Blot Proof of HIV Infection?", Biotechnology, Vol.11, June 1993, p.696-707.
Oscar Kashala, et al: "Infection with Human Immunodeficiency Virus Type 1 (HIV-1) and Human T Cell Lymphotropic Viruses among Leprosy Patients and Contacts: Correlation Between HIV-1 Cross-Reactivity and Antibodies to Lipoarabinomannan", J. Infectious Diseases, 1994:169:296-304.
HIV=AIDS: Fact or Fraud? A Stephen Allen film.



[Edited on 10-23-2020 by gnukid]

gnukid - 10-22-2020 at 07:46 PM

Do your own research about Fauci's HIV = AIDS fraud.

It's common knowledge in the public domain that Fauci and Dr Gallo committed fraud to promote causation of HIV to cause AIDS to promote the sale of AZT which caused more harm.

Here are broad range of sources from NYT as well as academic studies, to remind you about Fauci's Aids fraud?

https://archive.nytimes.com/query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage-9...

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/08/150827141911.h...

https://www.spin.com/featured/aids-and-the-azt-scandal-spin-...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfnYciuXeB4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11xlfHHAcBI

https://www.the-scientist.com/news/apathy-outrage-accompany-...

http://genome.fieldofscience.com/2008/10/patent-dispute-cost...

https://needtoknow.news/2020/04/the-greatest-criminal-fraud-...

https://newspunch.com/10-scientific-reasons-why-hiv-cannot-c...

https://www.pharmacytimes.com/news/aids-caused-by-cellular-f...

https://www.prweb.com/releases/2001/09/prweb28144.htm

https://www.southernnevadahealthdistrict.org/community-healt...

https://medicalveritas.org/leaked-mail-mercola-meltdown-and-...

https://www.verywellhealth.com/hiv-does-not-cause-aids-in-th...

https://theduran.com/the-coronavirus-hoax-2/

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/45069570-fauci

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/03/anthony_fauci_t...



[Edited on 10-23-2020 by gnukid]

[Edited on 10-23-2020 by gnukid]

gnukid - 10-23-2020 at 05:33 AM

Quote: Originally posted by lencho  
Quote: Originally posted by gnukid  
...for example claiming HIV causes AIDS...

Sorry, I'm struggling to ignore everything I've been taught for the last 30+ years in order to consider what you're postulating here.

Are you saying that it's possible to have AIDS without being infected with HIV? :?:


Lencho, I'm not postulating, Fauci was the promoter of HIV as a cause of Aids and the prescription of AZT, it was incumbent on him and his associates to make the argument and prove it. Of course, science evolves. At the time, 30 plus years ago they made a claim without evidence and ran with it. Anyone who did not tow the line did not receive AIDS research funding, nor was invited to events, reporters who failed to tow the HIV=AIDS line were uninvited. In the end it was fraud. AIDS is not a uniquely isolated illness with consistent diagnosis and is not proven to be caused by HIV. There is no actual test for AIDS.

The point is the Fauci's strategy then is the same strategy today. Make a claim of isolating a virus causing illness and attempt to use that unfounded claim to gain control of large amount of research funding, sell patented medicines, pursue vaccines, and control testing. Anyone who questions the science is unfunded and uninvited to discourse.

It's clear that those tied to the Government teat then and now must tow the line. They can't or are unwilling to ask questions or be skeptical.

Yes, AIDS exists as a diagnosis of wasting disease generally associated to deterioration. It was largely associated to homosexual highly promiscuous men who used large amounts of drugs, while being malnourished and extremely stressed physically. Their bodies deteriorated. In other regions it is a diagnosis from malnutrition, and failing immune system. It is not an infectious disease. Everyone can show presence of HIV at times, correlation is not causation. Yes, if your health is extremely deteriorated you may show increase of detectable HIV, but there is no defined amount nor consistent relationship demonstrated by researchers, even with the same labs, there is no proof of HIV as cause of AIDS, conversely there is no proof AIDS is directly associated to HIV.

In the case of COVID19, there is a similar pattern of using presence of symptoms of flu like illness and a general diagnosis, sometimes using RT PCR testing, to note presence of RNA, and TADA positive diagnosis for COVID19. Yes, there exists influenza and colds which is likely result of exposure to toxic environment and being run down, tired, etc, resulting in high cellular toxicity, expression of cellular toxins (garbage).

AIDS and COVID19 are emotional issues that are promoted as a a mortal risk (while neither is demonstrable as a contagious infectious disease) that have been promoted with largely conflicting diagnosis, faulty testing, lack of skepticism, broadly confusing messages, and vastly different diagnosis and outcome per region?

The average person can't pay attention long enough to discern fact from fiction, and often falls back on the belief that we should trust bio-harm "experts", regardless if they have faulty track record and make broadly conflicting statements, promote highly risky medicines and vaccines and whose theories often fall flat under broad review.

There does not exist a pandemic of infectious disease resulting in increase of mortality warranting quarantine, mobility restrictions, face masks, chemical hand and foot wash, distancing, all of which ARE EXTREMELY HARMFUL TO PHYSICAL, MENTAL, AND FINANCIAL HEALTH.

Reduction of all risk is not a health policy nor plan for survival.

Let's return to our focus here on Baja Nomad, we engage in the wild frontier of Baja California and Baja California Sur which is replete with adventure, remote mountains and valleys leading to both wide open beaches and wild destinations filled with fiestas and family.

We are not risk adverse! We engage risk for its reward. Some won't make it! The journey is the reward.

Our historical pioneers of this region engaged risk to conquer a largely uninhabitable region, today, we have Nomads here who have built remote self-sustaining paradises with solar, wind, water filtration and even swimming pools in a desert, none of those Nomads are risk adverse.


Questions about HIV AIDS research, numbers, medical fraud

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQFxratWh7E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfOSKP5zPXs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfnYciuXeB4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOMov4Wot60

https://www.bmj.com/rapid-response/2011/10/28/hiv-does-not-c...

https://www.verywellhealth.com/hiv-does-not-cause-aids-in-th...





[Edited on 10-23-2020 by gnukid]

pacificobob - 10-23-2020 at 06:50 AM

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid  
The CV promoted restrictions and advice to wear face masks, isolate, use chemical hand wash, and distance are supposedly to reduce risk to avoid death, though at best, those measures can only delay the inevitable contact? While the measures also encourage delaying regular health care visits and optional procedures to reduce risk, while causing significant harm to physical, mental and financial health?

The theory is you reduce risk by being alone at home alone, while deteriorating slowly by reducing risk, instead of living normally, instead of living a high quality life which includes risk?

Life always has had risk, living life is about risk, since when did living risk free become a rational goal? Since when is risk free a successful model for survival?

All the while Bill Gates promotes abortion services and population reduction including in his own words, "vaccines to reduce populations", Gates and Fauci promote mass vaccinations of all people on the globe? Interesting these goals are intertwined to vaccinate all people and reduce populations?

Today, in the USA, near term abortions are approved up to the day of birth in some states? These policies largely harm lower income minority populations more so than wealthy Caucasians, and these policies have been broadly supported by Gates foundation and Bill Gates sr specifically along with Planned Parenthood. So here we have these supposed risk adverse promoters promoting aborting babies up to the day of birth?

Many of their promoted vaccines have inadequate testing, yet are promoted and distributed resulting in large scale injury and deaths, as an acceptable outcome. A recent lawsuit against the USA Gov demanded proof of efficacy of vaccines as required by law, none had been provided in over 40 years?

All the while there is no pandemic, no increase in overall macro deaths, nothing overall different from any other year? We have always had colds and flu that mutate resulting in millions of deaths a year, yet we never manipulated that into justification for restriction on mobility etc.

The RT PCR CV test can not test to isolate a unique viral infection, and by admission produces gross false positives at %80? No unique CV virus has been isolated. CV mutations have been known to exist in our population for more than 40 years, even the common cold is a corona virus and can create a positive result from RT PCR test?

Total global common influenza infections are now practically zero, suggesting they simply swapped out one flu like infection for another?

WHO's official policy is that pandemic has no relation to cases/deaths?

Never before have healthy people been quarantined? Yet now every person is suspected of being asymptomatic carriers requiring restriction?

All small business as many global businesses are under restrictions causing loss of income, while global big box stores like Walmart, Target, Amazon are growing, effectivling replacing small business competition?

When will people see that tyranny is in place, religion, schools, freedom to gather, even free speech is restricted by tyrannical controls, all based on fallacious logic and lack of justification, yet, we have masses who adamantly promote these restrictions? Those who are rabid about promoting restrictions, and measures to control behavior are most often government workers, academics, politicians who are still employed at full wages while the average workers are largely suffering reduced employment?

Here are the "Haves" rabidly attacking the "Have Nots" for asking basic questions about the cost of restrictions and lockdown versus the justification of benefit?

Our society is divided into the "rabid tyrannical proponents" for isolation of "healthy people" versus us "normies" who insist lockdown restrictions are more harmful to health while only delaying an inevitable contact with biodiversity viruses, while we have always had viruses and have always managed to emerge stronger with shared herd immunity.

More so, those who seem most adamant about restrictions are those who have the worst health, their claim of risk from existing health conditions are most often DUE TO LIFESTYLE CHOICES, smoking, obesity, alcohol, diet, and exercise, yet, these rabid lockdown restriction promoters won't or can't make changes on their lives to improve their health? The high risk seniors, who fear their imminent unavoidable death, demand that healthy people, kids, teenagers, all other people must be restricted to provide some absurd rational that they might live longer, albeit alone, inside, risk adverse.

The lack of ability to see the costs of restrictions all for manipulation and mental gyrations to justify a tyrannical socialist control is the weakness that is causing the most harm, early deaths of certain lower income, high risks groups, all to support the selfish myopic view that restricting all ofsiciety might buy an unhealthy senior who made poor lifestyle choices an extra week in the hospital delaying their inevitable death.

So here we are, divided, rabid, risk adverse, high risk, seniors, on pension, demanding all healthy people suffer great consequences, for their short term delay of the inevitable mortality.

Thanks GOAT, mrBill, John Harper! Consider how your illogical demands hurt healthy people, the future of our society, our children, all for your selfish and absurd demands for tyranny against healthy people. Today, you are the outspoken enemy of freedom and all things that made the USA a place for risk, and innovation and successful place for small businesses to be able to grow, while you have become militants for tyrannical socialist control.


Read Goat, Bill, John's post, they consistently attack yet fail to question, defer to evidence, logic, and fail to show respect to others, they provide no evidence to support their demand for socialist tyranny and instead want to lock children and healthy people inside to justify some idea that it will reduce their health risk, all the while they can't make their own necessary changes in their life for their personal health?

Here's some advice to those railing for rabid restrictions, "SKIP A MEAL" "EXERCISE" "VEGETABLES" "REST" "RELAX" FRESH AIR" and mind your personal health as your focus and let healthy people get back to living their lives.

[Edited on 10-22-2020 by gnukid]


i found a misspelled word in there.....

Lee - 10-23-2020 at 09:44 AM



JZ believes nomads on this forum are shameful. Paul insists on wanting to discuss late term abortion.

Can we speak to the moral implications these two have brought up?

Got my popcorn.

motoged - 10-23-2020 at 10:46 AM

What are the best tires for a pick-up truck for Baja that are morally acceptable to the Jizz and.....will they go flat (abort) prematurely?

And synthetic or dino oil?

And where are the best tacos in BoLA and Mulege? :?:

:biggrin:

JZ - 10-23-2020 at 11:07 AM

Nitto ridge grapplers.





motoged - 10-24-2020 at 11:54 AM

Whew....thought this thread would never die.....:lol::lol::lol:
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