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EnsenadaDr - 5-11-2014 at 10:16 AM

IT really cracks me up here when you admit you made a mistake people still make fun of you and belittle you, no matter. Ignorance is bliss.

motoged - 5-11-2014 at 10:24 AM

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You are 100% correct Vgabndo. I apologize to you and to others that it took me so long to "see the light". ...... examining this with a fine toothed comb (including myself).

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Doc,
Your "fine tooth comb" is more like sledge hammer....you have beaten speculation to death with this matter.....

What is the "light" you have seen? And will it illuminate the path to see the difference between realistic possibilities and obsessive assumptions? :?:

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EnsenadaDr - 5-11-2014 at 10:30 AM

I told you Motoged, that I apologized, if you happened to read the post that Vgabndo posted earlier and I responded to. That if we had had a concrete list or inventory to compare it to earlier it would have made more sense. I had a very real sense of sadness seeing that car yesterday, alone, abandoned and like someone had mentioned, no one had gone down to at least even lock the back door. It's only a 8 hour drive down to the car from where the family lives, and none of them has bothered to actually look inside and validate what was in it after a first cursory look way back when. Obviously no one on the board here can look through the property for legal reasons. And so again I will apologize for speculating when no one will even validate our speculation, as simple as the OJ and the expiration date. Yes we are spinning our heads in circles when we can't get answers and no one is willing to do a weekend road trip to check out the car and see what's left.

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motoged - 5-11-2014 at 10:46 AM

The family are victims of misfortune.....let's not blame them because they haven't behaved the way some Nomads think they should have.....

And, Doc, I have read the posts.....your suggestion assumes that I have not.....and it is the incessant assuming with which you persist that is irritating.....

Your process is more banal than the content....:no:

EnsenadaDr - 5-11-2014 at 11:34 AM

One thing I would like to say is that I don't mean to annoy people with my comments and don't say things just to say them. They usually are important to me if I mention them. It could have something to do with being a woman. I tend to say whatever is on my mind and most men hold back on what they think. So it could be a gender issue. I have heard comments that they don't like me saying everything that pops into my mind.

woody with a view - 5-11-2014 at 11:35 AM

i've heard someone famous once said, "self restraint is a virtue!"

ligui - 5-11-2014 at 11:40 AM

Peace ..:yes:

tripledigitken - 5-11-2014 at 11:41 AM

It's not a gender issue, otherwise I'd be a monk.

EnsenadaDr - 5-11-2014 at 11:41 AM

Depends on who you are. I don't believe in censoring my comments if I believe they are important and as my teacher once said, there is no such thing as a stupid question. You guys are the rough and tough John Wayne silent types and a chatting female with all kinds of questions and comments makes you uncomfortable. Sorry about that. We need to respect each other's communication styles and realize I only post what I feel is pertinent and not EVERYTHING I think.
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i've heard someone famous once said, "self restraint is a virtue!"

mtgoat666 - 5-11-2014 at 11:41 AM

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No one got back to me, so I investigated no further.



Frustrating!!!!

I'm not sure that's the word to describe this.




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The apparent turtle pace of the family investigating the car/location is suspicious,... Is there a reason the family (or the particular family member in charge) wants to delay the investigation?

DENNIS - 5-11-2014 at 11:55 AM

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The apparent turtle pace of the family investigating the car/location is suspicious,... Is there a reason the family (or the particular family member in charge) wants to delay the investigation?


I have a feeling they came to terms with the reality of this issue long before some others here did.

Barry A. - 5-11-2014 at 12:08 PM

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Depends on who you are. I don't believe in censoring my comments if I believe they are important and as my teacher once said, there is no such thing as a stupid question. You guys are the rough and tough John Wayne silent types and a chatting female with all kinds of questions and comments makes you uncomfortable. Sorry about that. We need to respect each other's communication styles and realize I only post what I feel is pertinent and not EVERYTHING I think.
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i've heard someone famous once said, "self restraint is a virtue!"


Well said, Doctor. I agree totally with you on that.

Barry

Barry A. - 5-11-2014 at 12:12 PM

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One thing I would like to say is that I don't mean to annoy people with my comments and don't say things just to say them. They usually are important to me if I mention them.

That's understandable. It does wonders for credibility, however, if one considers whether they might be "important" to the audience before opening mouth. :)


But--------how in the world would anybody actually KNOW what is important "to the audience"? I think better said than not said if one THINKS it may be important to someone.

I personally am constantly amazed what "the audience" is interested in.

Barry

motoged - 5-11-2014 at 12:31 PM

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.... You guys are the rough and tough John Wayne silent types and a chatting female with all kinds of questions and comments makes you uncomfortable. .....
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Again, an assumption based on your issues more than reality :light:

Good luck with that gender over-generalizing.....or is that just a "female thing" ? ! :biggrin:

Self-regulation is usually not a gender issue....it's a mindfulness issue:light:

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DENNIS - 5-11-2014 at 12:46 PM

Has anyone got that orange juice clue figured out yet or have you been too busy peeing all over each other? :fire:

DENNIS - 5-11-2014 at 02:07 PM

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OK, well, that contributed nothing. Seems par for the course!
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Irrelevance is a virtue in this thread, Frank. We'll add your astute contribution to most of mine. :biggrin:

woody with a view - 5-11-2014 at 02:16 PM

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******* all over each other? :fire:


juicing?:light::P

mtgoat666 - 5-11-2014 at 02:26 PM

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The apparent turtle pace of the family investigating the car/location is suspicious,... Is there a reason the family (or the particular family member in charge) wants to delay the investigation?


I have a feeling they came to terms with the reality of this issue long before some others here did.


The longer death declaration is delayed, the longer SS or pension payments continue,... Just another theory,...

Barry A. - 5-11-2014 at 03:11 PM

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The apparent turtle pace of the family investigating the car/location is suspicious,... Is there a reason the family (or the particular family member in charge) wants to delay the investigation?


I have a feeling they came to terms with the reality of this issue long before some others here did.


The longer death declaration is delayed, the longer SS or pension payments continue,... Just another theory,...


-----that's potentially called FRAUD, Goat, and the penalties are such that it is not worth it to any thinking individual. (think Cliven Bundy who owes much more in Federal legal fines than in actual grazing fees).

Barry

DENNIS - 5-11-2014 at 03:12 PM

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******* all over each other? :fire:


juicing?:light::P


From the gusano con un extremo. :lol:

DENNIS - 5-11-2014 at 03:14 PM

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The longer death declaration is delayed, the longer SS or pension payments continue,... Just another theory,...


ooooo...thas uuugly. I didn't mean that at all. Thanks anyway.

Ateo - 5-11-2014 at 08:32 PM

I can't believe the vehicle is still just sitting there. I just edited my post down from 10 sentences to this. I can't believe the vehicle is still just sitting there.

Barry A. - 5-11-2014 at 08:40 PM

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I can't believe the vehicle is still just sitting there. I just edited my post down from 10 sentences to this. I can't believe the vehicle is still just sitting there.


There are 100's of thousands of vehicles sitting in Police Impound lots all over the USA--------tied up by red tape and restrictions and simply no claims for them.

I admit it is astounding!!!

Barry

absinvestor - 5-11-2014 at 09:05 PM

MtGoat- I asked a few weeks ago about the social security checks. It is my understanding that they are auto deposited into his checking account and this board was informed that there have been no withdrawals. Had I been told that the auto deposits had ceased to be deposited and/or transferred to a different bank acct I'm sure LL would have looked into it.

lizard lips - 5-12-2014 at 05:52 AM

No Ab. No money has been taken out of his account since prior to leaving California.

I am totally confused about the vehicle and it just sitting in an unprotected lot close to the hotel. I had always thought it was secured.

Because Garys son saw what was in the 4 Runner when he went down there I hope all of the contents will still be there but I know better.

I have not heard from the rancher about when he is going back to Catavina. As soon as I know more about any progress with a search utilizing the locals I will report. At the present time I will contact the officer in Catavina who will return to his post after a lengthily vacation later this month. I have told the Pattons not to go to retrieve the vehicle until he returns. He is only one of a handful that knows what was recovered and if any item is not there I would assume he would be responsible but who takes responsibility anymore, or ever? Garys brother and son have dealt with this officer in the past so I don't want them to travel all that way to be told that they will have to wait further.

Marla Daily - 5-12-2014 at 06:33 AM

It is the clear and present situation that no one is doing anything about a search. The car sits abandoned full of Gary Patton's stuff and with a flat tire. It is jolting to see ~ a reality check ~ and a sad commentary. Anyone with a key could get in it and simply drive away!

Gary disappeared eight months and a week ago. How is it that no one has taken the time to visit the rancher who found the car? To go to the site where it was found? To gather information from the many potential clues, as have been pointed out on this forum? To hire local ranchers to search? The officer "in charge" is on an extended vacation?

The bottom line seems to be that no one has the pressing urgent interest or the time or the money. It is no one's top priority. Perhaps this is simply the end of the story.

Ateo - 5-12-2014 at 07:41 AM

I hope the camera is still in the vehicle, but with an unlocked door, I would guess it may be gone by now. :no::no:

EnsenadaDr - 5-12-2014 at 07:53 AM

Interesting case on a missing Social Security beneficiary:

http://www.socialsecurity.gov/OP_Home/rulings/oasi/35/SSR90-...

willardguy - 5-12-2014 at 08:53 AM

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I hope the camera is still in the vehicle, but with an unlocked door, I would guess it may be gone by now. :no::no:
ya think the local constable on extended vacation has figured out how to work those fancy cameras yet?:?:

lizard lips - 5-12-2014 at 01:17 PM

Maria-Your right about the lingering of an attempted search and obtaining the vehicle however money has been placed with the right people to get boots on the ground with those knowledgeable of the area and start a search in the area where the vehicle was discovered.

The Pattons have been in touch with the Ministerio Publico in San Quintin and it has been quite a dog and pony show just to get the paper work together to retrieve the 4 Runner so this will happen soon enough. I am with you about the vehicle being there unprotected and apparently unlocked so who in the hell is watching it and are all the contents in the 4 Runner? I don't know and either do the Pattons. This is what is frustrating me. If anything is missing as far as contents in the vehicle that we know about sh it will hit the fan and someones ass will be spanked hard. It's a waiting game now until the police guy gets back so we can clear this up. Don't get frustrated - You have lived in mexico long enough to know this would be a waiting game.

Marla Daily - 5-12-2014 at 02:00 PM

Yes I have lived south of the border long enough to know that "paperwork" is all about paying pesos to everyone who can possibly have a hand held out—until there are no more hands being held out. It is not accompanied by accountability. Ever. In fact, it is seldom the same process in two identical situations.

Paperwork is about everyone's "importance" in an undefined process where time means nothing. Payment doesn't mean action in any way, shape or form. It is just that — payment.

Look at the roadside ambulance "prop" in Cataviña. Just where do all those donated pesos go? Not to the ambulance anyway.

lizard lips - 5-12-2014 at 04:39 PM

I thought the donations for ambulance service was in El Rosario not Catavina. Is this correct? If it is in El Rosario then I would assume that Antonio of Baja Cactus is the individual who runs those ambulances. Antonio has a big nut to crack especially when he does not obtain funds from the govt. for his services. I am sure all the money donated goes directly to ambulance services if this is Antonio. He's a great guy and saw the opportunity to help the community with this service because no one else stepped up,

motoged - 5-12-2014 at 04:46 PM

LL,
Antonio's ambulance is a whole different show than the prop in Catavina.

SoCalPattonCrew - 5-12-2014 at 05:44 PM

Dearest Nomads:
We can assure you all that slow response time is not by our family's design! This is the painful reality of trying to manage this case from not 8 hours away, more like 12-15 hours to where the vehicle and the car sighting are. We lose a day driving down and a day back, so when we dropped everything upon news of the car discovery, and Gary's son and brother drove down 3/20 to identify the vehicle, there have been nothing but obstacles planning the next trip to claim the vehicle, because we were not allowed that trip to claim the car, take an inventory, check out the car for operability, nor have coordinates as to where car was found. We learned only later in early April, when the rancher came forward, how much more we'll have to coordinate to make our next trip.
Our family has made 6 trips in 8 months so please refrain from conclusions that we have dropped our efforts or given up trying to make something happen, and that we are not who is slow making things happen. The next trip plan for 4/25 or 5/1 was thwarted by the Catavina police commander kindly notifying us he was on holiday for a MONTH, and his station was closed (thank you, Maria for confirming that). We are currently trying to plan 5/2-6/1 but this is still to be confirmed so please remain patient and tolerant of our situation.
Maria, your efforts are greatly appreciated, and I am sorry you missed our reply to you on 5/7 at 5am (pg. 91) we did our best. I was concerned about you going to the vehicle unannounced, but glad you did. To our fellow Nomads, speculate at will about the situation, what happened, what we can do, but please do not doubt that we have given up or are not doing our damnest to still find Gary, nor that we will stop to the best that we can with what little we have left to keep trying. Please be clear on this one fact ...
IF our next tentative 5/30-6/2 date to search & claim the car is confirmed, we will either U2U, email if you shared your address, and POST here as to how that travel plan will look, and advise all of you, count on it! Understand we need to coordinate too with the rancher who does not carry a phone nor speaks english, the district attorney who speaks no english, and Catavina Commander must be there to release the car to us.
Thank you for your continued faith, hope, and offers to help. Please be assured, you are not being ignored but please appreciate our complexity in plans changing constantly. We are keeping a list and promise to advise volunteers when there is a confirmed date of arrival to Catavina.
(To Vagabond, the family did apologize to you via U2U for not responding; I believe timing was off because our guys had left already and quickly became frustrated when the police would not release the car nor any contents nor allow any internal search, so they returned home.) Keep in mind, the authorities have only told us in recent weeks we could now claim the car with a list of required identification paperwork we must present AND with translations to spanish!
Appreciate the leads to local folks w/homes nearby the desert areas so when our guys are there, we might question them if they saw Gary. Perhaps our rancher knows them.
Sincerest regards from the Family ....

P.S. Regarding the social security story link, that applies to a missing "beneficiary" not a direct recipient so this is not relevant to our case (an attorney has been consulted). And, again, there is no bank activity to-date.

vgabndo - 5-12-2014 at 06:23 PM

Thanks for your note. It explains a lot. I just went through my u2u in-box back to January 2013 and I have no messages from you or anyone else I didn't respond to. You didn't successfully post to my u2u, and I naturally heard nothing from you, thus my comment. The news that any information that MIGHT have been in the car has been corrupted seems to open the search even wider than before. Good luck with that.

24baja - 5-12-2014 at 06:45 PM

I think what we all should do is let this thread lie until the family make their trip and update the thread themselves. On thing i would like to see is that the Nomads who continue to speculate on occurences and outcomes or what the family should or shouldn't do or did or didn't do back off and repect the families requests. Thank you.

woody with a view - 5-12-2014 at 06:57 PM

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Thanks for your note. It explains a lot. I just went through my u2u in-box back to January 2013 and I have no messages from you or anyone else I didn't respond to. You didn't successfully post to my u2u, and I naturally heard nothing from you, thus my comment. The news that any information that MIGHT have been in the car has been corrupted seems to open the search even wider than before. Good luck with that.


that's the problem with this software. if someone spells your handle wrong the software will send it anyway. no error message. or whatever handle they sent it to (spelled wrong) has it in their box.

Doug should purge unused handles after a few years.....

EnsenadaDr - 5-13-2014 at 08:30 PM

A beneficiary is anyone that receives social security benefits either a retired worker or their family, directly or indirectly, not through inheritance as the word might make you think.

http://www.socialsecuritymatters.org/Get_the_Facts_files/Who...

SocalPattencrew

captkw - 5-13-2014 at 09:27 PM

Hola/Hi,, We as you do wish the safe find of Gary....the same name of my Kid brother that was killed by the AMA !!! This is my first post on this thread...watching and wishing as somebody that KNOWS BAJA and its WAYS.....I used to do SAR with many units....point being,,,almost all folks here are trying to help..Tho ,,,,at times it might not seem so.......But..I assure you99.9 posts here are from folks that have been out there and know anything can happen at any time to anyone and are here with your family to help!!! We will all Stand with you as we all know it could be are brother,,father,,sis....us NOMADS will/can help you in this ...Idle speculation is not wanted or needed..I truly wish ,,,myself was on site...But,,I'm not..so,,in closeing,,,your standin Tall for your bro and that's .........

SoCalPattonCrew - 5-14-2014 at 04:43 PM

Nomads: We need and definitely appreciate everything you ALL offer daily in your posts --please do not stop contributing if we miss a few things, and it's okay to remind us if we've missed something, especially your kind offers to help .. In our posts, we try to stay very factual and informative for you, and not emotional. So please continue to be your knowledgeable Nomad selves, keep the creative juices flowing, have perceptive discussions, because your contributions are invaluable to us. We've been together too long now to constrict free speech and healthy banter. And, we desperately need you!
Most earnest and warmest regards, always ..

FYI--Gary's brother is seriously trying to make the next trip to Catavina and the sighting area on May 29th, but again, we'll reconfirm ... hopefully soon.

EnsenadaDr - 5-14-2014 at 09:25 PM

Family I feel for you and I know you want some closure to this horrible ordeal you are going through. The only thing I can add at this point is that I feel the horseback riders will be your best bet, though rereading Lizard Lips post the rancher made it sound like there was a lot of horseback riding through the area between him and other ranchers with their cattle but so far no one has found any significant clue except the car and its contents.

I would leave the search to seasoned residents or others that know the weather and the terrain well.

micah202 - 5-16-2014 at 06:32 AM

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...........I feel the horseback riders will be your best bet,,,,,,

....you better check with the horses and riders what they feel like traipsing the area in the temperatures these daze :O:wow:

lizard lips - 5-16-2014 at 08:52 AM

Just letting everyone know that nothing has been reported from the rancher as yet. Should know more soon and when it comes in and it will be posted.

EnsenadaDr - 5-16-2014 at 09:05 AM

What are you waiting for a report on LL?
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Just letting everyone know that nothing has been reported from the rancher as yet. Should know more soon and when it comes in and it will be posted.

pappy - 5-16-2014 at 01:35 PM

check the "perfect baja exploration vehicle" link. it would be perectly suited for a mission like search and rescue...

danaeb - 5-16-2014 at 02:55 PM

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What are you waiting for a report on LL?
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Just letting everyone know that nothing has been reported from the rancher as yet. Should know more soon and when it comes in and it will be posted.


You are in Ensenada, no? It's not too far for you to go to Catavina to do your own detective work. You speak Spanish and you have a comprehensive list of things to investigate.

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vgabndo - 5-16-2014 at 03:29 PM

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What are you waiting for a report on LL?
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Just letting everyone know that nothing has been reported from the rancher as yet. Should know more soon and when it comes in and it will be posted.


You are in Ensenada, no? It's not too far for you to go to Catavina to do your own detective work. You speak Spanish and you have a comprehensive list of things to investigate.
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jijijijiji:light:

EnsenadaDr - 5-16-2014 at 04:07 PM

Lizard Lips has told everyone not to communicate with the Rancher.

DENNIS - 5-16-2014 at 04:09 PM

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You are in Ensenada, no?


Correct. No.

EnsenadaDr - 5-16-2014 at 06:16 PM

Wow DENNIS I have made some comments on your posts and you SCREAMED at me TO BUTT OUT and now you are commenting on mine, I don't mind but hey Bud, what's good for the gander is good for the goose!!

What's good for the Gander ................

MrBillM - 5-18-2014 at 09:15 AM

Is not getting Goosed ?

SoCalPattonCrew - 5-19-2014 at 08:22 PM

Dear Nomads: Like to give you all a heads-up today that the next planned trip for Gary's brother, Dave, is either Thursday, May 29th or Friday May 30th in CATAVINA. The current plan is that he will arrive (first) to SQ ministera & police to claim Gary's car, then head to Catavina, either same day if time allows, or early next a.m. Then he needs to check in with the Catavina police commander and make arrangements to get the car running and tires fixed. He may stay a night at the hotel Catavina if he arrives very late at night, but we'd like to designate the hotel a meeting place.

Then his next plan is to meet up with the rancher, again at Hotel Catavina. If Nomads arrive on Friday early at the hotel, they should be able to find Dave there, group together and ride/drive together to the car sighting that day. Depending on weather and heat, and camping/cooking gear, water, etc., Dave may camp a night before returning to the hotel to do more searching. To be clear, the Ranch belonging to the rancher has NO accommodations except the land. You all know that, well before dark, the trip needs to be made back to the hotel Catavina toward any civilization, ie., - food, water, bathroom, phone, gas, etc. with that road trip time in mind.

The rest of the trip plan will depend on other factors. Obviously, we'd want more clues and findings on Gary himself. Dave's interest is in trying to search as much as possible given the circumstances. The other primary goal is to get the vehicle back home, we hope, safely and with minimal issues. If any of you want to be on our email / phone distribution list for communications as we get closer to the travel dates, either U2U us or call 949-697-9285 (U.S. Cell), and we add you w/your additional contact information. Please share where you would be leaving from , it may be helpful for us to know, especially on Dave's return back with Gary's car (Monday 6/2) if anyone could accompany that travel (especially given the condition of Gary's car, not being driven 8 months.)

We again thank all our Nomads for your continued support thru what may be our last trip for a long while. We hope that there'll be more useful information gathered from this effort, and we will report and update the CONFIRMED date and time that Dave should arrive, given that it is a healthy drive from San Quintin, so please stay tuned and God bless all of you Nomads for being there for us, again!

Ateo - 5-19-2014 at 08:30 PM

I'm betting you will get some assistance from Nomads. All the best to your family!

On edit: I cannot make it next week. I'll be working those days.

[Edited on 5-22-2014 by Ateo]

BajaBlanca - 5-20-2014 at 07:14 AM

Wishing you the BEST of luck with the search.

BajaBlanca - 5-22-2014 at 05:57 AM

I have made reservations at the Catavina Hotel for the family.

Is anyone going to be able to help? This is Blanca wondering out loud.

Lets make this happen, amigos!

EnsenadaDr - 5-22-2014 at 07:00 AM

Since Ron Hoff wrote on his forum that he got lost in the area and he is very familiar with the area and he had a GPS, are there GPS's being utilized?
Are there any experienced people from the area leading the search? Did the family hire ranchers in the area to assist?

BajaRun - 5-22-2014 at 08:48 AM

Just a suggestion... I would have a discussion with the night security guard at the Catavina Hotel. His name is Perfecto Romero.

TMW - 5-22-2014 at 09:12 AM

I think Dave (Gary's brother) or LL should coordinate any group going down to search. If this trip the end of the month is to visit the site and talk to the rancher and bring back the car then there is no reason for a lot of people to go. If and when there is an effort to branch out and visit the variouis ranches and the people living along the coast to get information about Gary a date should be set and the more help the better. But first I think the local cowboys should be used to search the immediate area of where the car was found. Anyone can drive down a road and look but going thru the bush is a lot different. One would expect a rational person to stay near the road but if he is not thinking rationally who knows what he may do.

David K - 5-22-2014 at 09:55 AM

If Gary walked from his stuck 4Runner on the road he drove in on... or ANY road, he would have been found.

Since he wasn't found, he walked cross-country (or not on any auto road).

As TW says, finding him from the front seat of any car/truck/SUV probably won't happen. Horses, motorcycles, maybe quads is the way to look I would think?

lizard lips - 5-22-2014 at 12:34 PM

For all of you that want to know I am not going to search for Gary. I have way to much work right now and need the cash. I have a son in medical school which is costing me tons and just don't have the time. I wish I did and I would be there but just can't. Even if I did go to search I would probably start where the vehicle was found and go from there but I have been in the desert, as most of you have, and its a huge unforgiving place to be especially not knowing what the hell you are doing except looking for the possibility of finding a clue. Needle in a haystack? YEP! If I had a four wheeler or motorcycle all the better

Where it is right now- The rancher has the pesos that were given to him by me, Garys family, to pay for those that live in the area and can do so much more than any of us. Garys brother is coming down next week and will follow up with what needs to be done as far as taking possession of the 4 Runner and make an accounting of what is there. I was told he will make contact with the rancher and go to the vehicle site.

If any of you that want to go out there when the brother is there then make contact, U2U, with the Pattons and tell them your plans. They need all the help they can get.

Good luck

woody with a view - 5-22-2014 at 12:59 PM

not to be a burr in the saddle, but wouldn't any rancher (or passerby) notice the vultures that would have been hovering over a carcass for a couple of days and go investigate?

I hope the family gets some answers, but a search for the body is futile 8 months later.....

J.P. - 5-22-2014 at 01:50 PM

The question has come up a number of times about action on the mans bank account and as far as I can tell it hasn't ben addressed. Some of us have way deeper pockets than other's but it is inconceivable to me one could spend the amount of time he was supposed to spend in Baja financing ones self out of pocket. his bank account would give a timeline as to his whereabouts it would make tracking him a lot easier.

EnsenadaDr - 5-22-2014 at 02:09 PM

Lizard Lips has made the statement several times that no money has been drawn out of Gary's bank account since he disappeared in September.

tripledigitken - 5-22-2014 at 02:43 PM

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Originally posted by woody with a view
not to be a burr in the saddle, but wouldn't any rancher (or passerby) notice the vultures that would have been hovering over a carcass for a couple of days and go investigate?
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Absolutely, as they would first reason it was one of their livestock.

David K - 5-22-2014 at 04:48 PM

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Originally posted by lizard lips
For all of you that want to know I am not going to search for Gary. I have way to much work right now and need the cash. I have a son in medical school which is costing me tons and just don't have the time. I wish I did and I would be there but just can't. Even if I did go to search I would probably start where the vehicle was found and go from there but I have been in the desert, as most of you have, and its a huge unforgiving place to be especially not knowing what the hell you are doing except looking for the possibility of finding a clue. Needle in a haystack? YEP! If I had a four wheeler or motorcycle all the better

Where it is right now- The rancher has the pesos that were given to him by me, Garys family, to pay for those that live in the area and can do so much more than any of us. Garys brother is coming down next week and will follow up with what needs to be done as far as taking possession of the 4 Runner and make an accounting of what is there. I was told he will make contact with the rancher and go to the vehicle site.

If any of you that want to go out there when the brother is there then make contact, U2U, with the Pattons and tell them your plans. They need all the help they can get.

Good luck


At some point, it would be nice to know where the truck was found... exactly where, not just the approx. kilometer directions the rancher gave.

I also would think searchers would like to know where the ranch is where the truck was first moved to... as I see no ranch anywhere near where the directions given put the truck... on Google Earth or Bing, which has newer images than GE typically has. Thanks.

J.P. - 5-22-2014 at 08:57 PM

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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Lizard Lips has made the statement several times that no money has been drawn out of Gary's bank account since he disappeared in September.






I heard it bantered around he was on social security which is a part of my income. if I disappeared in September and didn't make any withdraws after that I probably could be found close to where I made the last withdrawl .

lizard lips - 5-22-2014 at 09:32 PM

J.P. I have not responded to anyone's comments or ideas of what happened to Gary yet but when I read your last post I had just took a mouth full of coffee and now it's all over my computer screen and desk. Thank you for that Sir.

LIZard Lips

captkw - 5-22-2014 at 09:44 PM

You Are A Asset & Thank YOU !!!

TO BE CLEAR !!!

captkw - 5-22-2014 at 09:47 PM

Lizard LIPS HAS helped sooo much on this!!!!!

Elena La Loca - 5-22-2014 at 10:52 PM

I might have to come down with yet another case of the "Baja Flu"...I feel it comin' on, and STRONG!!! I so want to help find some closure on this whole thing. Can't imagine the pain the Patton crew is going through. (Grew up w/ some Patton's in La Jolla but pretty certain not the same clan...but you never know...we're all related SOMEHOW!!!)

Haven't replied to this thread but have been following it with bated breath.

I only have this to report from personal observation: I can verify that the FourRunner was at the Cataviña police station on 5/16 (left front tire flat) That's the 130km/h tourist version of a Baja CSI investigator.

Sorry I didn't ask Oscar & Matilde about all this when I stopped through there to visit them at Rancho Santa Inès 5/12 while WB was co-dawg on the Cataviña-BayofLA run in the #777 truck for the Mexican 1000. Was more involved catching up with our ahijada (Mayra) and the happenings at the ranch.

Will be south again for the Baja 500 and just might have to milk that vacation time a little bit to lend a hand (if for nothing else I *think* I play a mean ukulele so if somebody else can collect the firewood _ and maybe somebody bring a harmonica, and somebody else bring some s'more's fixin's...we could make the best of a gnarly situation and share some love - some "we're all in this together" kind of love...hopefully you're all catching my drift here)

Peace love & light to all involved. Keep praying, people. Miracles happen. Someday we all might be a part of one!

micah202 - 5-23-2014 at 10:01 AM

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...it occurred to me how useful it'd be to have one of those gyro-copter thingies for a search...you could have any number of people watching their screens live from home as the thing flew about,,,and it's GPS would give accurate information of any locations of interest for a closer look.

woody with a view - 5-23-2014 at 11:01 AM

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Originally posted by micah202
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...it occurred to me how useful it'd be to have one of those gyro-copter thingies for a search...you could have any number of people watching their screens live from home as the thing flew about,,,and it's GPS would give accurate information of any locations of interest for a closer look.


except how would the signal get out to the interweb from the desert 2 hours west of Catavina?

micah202 - 5-23-2014 at 11:10 AM

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....^^...okay,,,so not so 'live',,but could be useful nonetheless,no?
..those things have the ability to transmit image within their own are at least

willyAirstream - 5-23-2014 at 11:10 AM

The drone search is a good idea. People on site could monitor the cam view live via smart phones or tables. The flight could be recorded, a video, and uploaded to the internet later for viewing,and examination.

SoCalPattonCrew - 5-23-2014 at 03:30 PM

Our family is getting conflicting information about the presence and availability of the Catavina police for that weekend 5/30. Hopefully, all of you can understand that our family can't make a trip that does not result in getting Gary's car back. So, unfortunately, we need to postpone again, this trip will not happen 5/29...
And there are a couple other reasons causing the reschedule. We do hope to reschedule for a few weeks from now.

Please hang in there with us while we try to regroup again. Enjoy the holiday weekend safely, Nomads.

mcfez - 5-23-2014 at 03:39 PM

There are limitations to distance of the signal for a drone............unless you happen to have a military drone. Our family has a one of the best drones on the market.....and it certainly will not do what you may think it can. At best a mile away.

You can see a capture of our farm .....this is about 400 ft
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=292259927606669&set...

Delay, Delay, Delay

J.P. - 5-23-2014 at 04:23 PM

As a casual observer, it would appear that the family is placing more of a priority on claiming a old P.O.S. Toyota than finding their lost family member. :?::?::?::?::?:

RnR - 5-23-2014 at 06:55 PM

Just drove through Catavina this afternoon, 5/23, about 2 pm.

The 4runner is still there.

Police station door was open, patrol truck was parked outside, a uniformed officer was washing the front windshield.

Ateo - 5-23-2014 at 07:02 PM

The following weekend (6/7) is the Baja 500 and there will be traffic and even some racing on the main road, so just know that in case you reschedule for that weekend.

rts551 - 5-23-2014 at 07:29 PM

most looked at police station in all of Baja!

woody with a view - 5-24-2014 at 07:55 AM

we will pass by the 6th if the family wants to travel together we will cross at TJ around 6am.

mcfez - 5-25-2014 at 11:34 PM

You got that right :yes:
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Originally posted by J.P.
As a casual observer, it would appear that the family is placing more of a priority on claiming a old P.O.S. Toyota than finding their lost family member. :?::?::?::?::?:

Hook - 5-26-2014 at 06:08 AM

Well, given the extremely small odds of finding a person in such a large area who disappeared many months ago and has not used his checking account AND given the fact that they have little resources for searching for him AND given the fact that they have limited time down here, wouldn't it make sense to come down when you have a chance of accomplishing SOMETHING, namely the recovery of the vehicle?

chuckie - 5-26-2014 at 06:35 AM

Probably...

lizard lips - 5-26-2014 at 07:39 AM

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Originally posted by Hook
Well, given the extremely small odds of finding a person in such a large area who disappeared many months ago and has not used his checking account AND given the fact that they have little resources for searching for him AND given the fact that they have limited time down here, wouldn't it make sense to come down when you have a chance of accomplishing SOMETHING, namely the recovery of the vehicle?




Your right Hook. We all MUST come to the realization that Gary is not with us any longer and the family knows that. If there was a chance that he may be alive then of course we would be all over it. I have told the family to NOT go to obtain the vehicle until the police officer returns because they know him and he will help them in any way he can. He's a really nice guy and soon will return from his vacation. We will get an accounting of the contents of the 4 Runner soon enough and the rancher will give us an accounting of what happened while he has been down there. Just hang loose people.

Reclaming the 4 runner

J.P. - 5-26-2014 at 01:56 PM

This action may be of greater importance than one would think.
the vehicle in question was reportedly left unlocked at its present location and could very well become the new home of the renowned local character GOTTA PESO. and once that happens forget it.


:o:o:o:o:o

Whale-ista - 5-26-2014 at 02:15 PM

Are you joking?

If not, FYI, Gotta Peso was re-located a few months ago and is no longer in Catavina.

EnsenadaDr - 5-26-2014 at 02:25 PM

Most families want to recover the body for closure and after the realization that the person is no longer alive, most families feel the next important step is recovery. I have heard that recovery is just as important if not more important in a loved one's search for grieving families, to get them to a proper burial site or at rest in an appropriate fashion, whether it be in a cremation urn, etc.
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Originally posted by lizard lips
Quote:
Originally posted by Hook
Well, given the extremely small odds of finding a person in such a large area who disappeared many months ago and has not used his checking account AND given the fact that they have little resources for searching for him AND given the fact that they have limited time down here, wouldn't it make sense to come down when you have a chance of accomplishing SOMETHING, namely the recovery of the vehicle?




Your right Hook. We all MUST come to the realization that Gary is not with us any longer and the family knows that. If there was a chance that he may be alive then of course we would be all over it. I have told the family to NOT go to obtain the vehicle until the police officer returns because they know him and he will help them in any way he can. He's a really nice guy and soon will return from his vacation. We will get an accounting of the contents of the 4 Runner soon enough and the rancher will give us an accounting of what happened while he has been down there. Just hang loose people.

SoCalPattonCrew - 5-28-2014 at 10:57 PM

Woody -- Meant to thank you earlier for your offer to meet on June 6 but it does not appear that our guys here can get there as yet. We're still trying to confirm the next travel plan, but appreciate your willingness to help our guys.
And thanks so much to those of you driving by Catavina, letting us know about the car. We also need to know the Commander's schedule in the next few weeks (we were told he is in-office 10 days, then off 10 days, AND he was off the entire month of May on holiday) as LL confirmed.
We do need to retrieve the vehicle this trip to review the inventory and check for clues as to what may have happened. For the search effort, we need the rancher's help, and that is yet to be coordinated as well.
Still want to encourage anyone willing to be a part of the next trip to U2U us and we'll add you to our notification list, once the travel dates are confirmed and we're closer to that leave time.
Also, appreciate the heads-up on Baja events/races that may affect hotel and other travel timeframes, thanks all! You all continue to be amazing contacts for our family!

Marla Daily - 5-29-2014 at 06:01 AM

The car is still there. Tire is still flat.
Two police vehicles were in residence at the station yesterday afternoon.

Do you have a phone number or email through which you contact the Cataviña police? How are you communicating with them?

You can always go through the Hotel La Mision Cataviña (ex-La Pinta).

mtgoat666 - 5-29-2014 at 06:13 AM

At this rate, car will still be there in 6 months.
They should just go down there and drive it away. Tell the bureaucrats they have flocked around long enough. Fax or email the paperwork ahead of time, tell them that's all they will get, tell them they can meet your schedule if they need more.

Alternatively, go remove personal items from car, and abandon car. Car is not worth hassling over.

It's just a car, don't know why you are delaying searching for body to focus on car.

Re setting up cowboys and rancher for search, just go there and do it. Sounds like you are not getting anywhere by phone. Yes, you will have to devote time. If you don't have time, then forget about it and move on.

chuckie - 5-29-2014 at 06:22 AM

+10

mcnut - 5-29-2014 at 06:02 PM

At this point I just hope the tow + impound + storage fees (if any) don't add up to more then the car is worth.

Bruce:O

DENNIS - 5-29-2014 at 07:08 PM

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Originally posted by mcnut
At this point I just hope the tow + impound + storage fees (if any) don't add up to more then the car is worth.

Bruce:O


Impound fees down here are negligible. Besides, I don't think the car was impounded. I don't even think the state or federal judiciales are aware of any of this. If so, they would have impounded the car.
Another indication that the big boys aren't involved is, serious crimes, or just the suspicion of one, are handled by state or federal agencies...not city cops.

BajaBlanca - 6-8-2014 at 09:39 AM

New date for the family to go to .Catavina in the works. More info will be posted when confirmed.

SoCalPattonCrew - 6-9-2014 at 07:53 PM

Dearest Nomads, Gary's brother Dave is traveling down this Wednesday 6/11, expecting to get to San Quintin by 2pm, and deal with the District Attorney so all will be in order to claim Gary's car. He will leave then early Thursday to meet with Catavina police commander and retrieve Gary's car and belongings. Also, he'll be arranging to get the car tires inflated, battery recharged, and other things checked before it's to be driven back. He may arrive 9am-12:00pm there, and then he will be trying to get to the car sighting same day. Not sure if he will stay at the hotel Catavina or not Thursday nite, because he may camp out at the Rancher's ranch weather-permitting.

Since he has directions /coordinates to the approximate sight where the car was found, and if the rancher is not there perhaps the Catavina Commander can direct him at least to the ranch. Dave is also meeting up with a dear family friend from Guerrero Negro who is driving up to help with translating and searching for Gary. Anyone wanting to meet up with Dave, send us a U2U, and those who already have, we'll get an email to you if you sent us an email, otherwise look for status updates here.

So tonite, this is the plan, and with hope and prayers, all will go well. Thanks in advance to you Nomads for being there and caring about our painful progress. We'll confirm again tomorrow that things are still a go!

SPOT

bajaguy - 6-9-2014 at 07:57 PM

Will you have a SPOT tracker???

Marla Daily - 6-9-2014 at 09:29 PM

Be safe, be prepared. Take plenty of water. Think about bringing a portable shade. The heat has arrived and non-locals won't be accustomed to it. The sun is brutal.

EnsenadaDr - 6-9-2014 at 10:43 PM

What happened to the cowboy locals that were being hired?
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Originally posted by SoCalPattonCrew
Dearest Nomads, Gary's brother Dave is traveling down this Wednesday 6/11, expecting to get to San Quintin by 2pm, and deal with the District Attorney so all will be in order to claim Gary's car. He will leave then early Thursday to meet with Catavina police commander and retrieve Gary's car and belongings. Also, he'll be arranging to get the car tires inflated, battery recharged, and other things checked before it's to be driven back. He may arrive 9am-12:00pm there, and then he will be trying to get to the car sighting same day. Not sure if he will stay at the hotel Catavina or not Thursday nite, because he may camp out at the Rancher's ranch weather-permitting.

Since he has directions /coordinates to the approximate sight where the car was found, and if the rancher is not there perhaps the Catavina Commander can direct him at least to the ranch. Dave is also meeting up with a dear family friend from Guerrero Negro who is driving up to help with translating and searching for Gary. Anyone wanting to meet up with Dave, send us a U2U, and those who already have, we'll get an email to you if you sent us an email, otherwise look for status updates here.

So tonite, this is the plan, and with hope and prayers, all will go well. Thanks in advance to you Nomads for being there and caring about our painful progress. We'll confirm again tomorrow that things are still a go!

SoCalPattonCrew - 6-10-2014 at 10:02 PM

Dear Nomads, Regretfully, we have to cancel this trip again, because we've been informed tonite that the Catavina Commander will not be at the station when Dave was scheduled to arrive, basically after today.

Apologies for another fire-drill, we had thought Arturo was going to be there, but now we're told otherwise. Hopefully this can happen within the next two weekends as no one wants to be dealing with this the 4th of July, and we sure need it to be before then. Please hang in there with us while we work again to make something happen soon. Our best regards, Nomads.
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