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Cliffy - 3-22-2026 at 11:47 AM

"Tree huggers" is more generational than political
"Detrimental climate change"?
What's the detriment? Warmer air? More rain? Less snow?
SO what! The weather changes Has been for 5 billion years

Again- adapt or die
The tree is still there

surabi - 3-22-2026 at 11:51 AM

"So what!" makes it patently obvious that you have zero understanding of the repercussions of climate change.

JZ - 3-22-2026 at 02:02 PM

Quote: Originally posted by surabi  
"So what!" makes it patently obvious that you have zero understanding of the repercussions of climate change.


Why can't you get it through your thick skull that it's just a grift by politicians and their cronies to get rich and gain power? :?::?::?:

You have 60 years of evidence for god's sake. One crazy prediction after another has been proven wrong. :wow:




[Edited on 3-23-2026 by JZ]

JZ - 3-22-2026 at 07:11 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  


The predictions are a side show. They easily distract you ignoramuses.

The science is clear, change has happened, change will continue to happen, and man is a primary cause. Timing of changes are are variable.



>> The predictions are a side show. They easily distract you ignoramuses.
Who made the predictions? Why are they trying to distract people?


>> The science is clear, change has happened, change will continue to happen
This is 100% true.

>> Man is a primary cause
This is 100% unproven

What you left out is all of the data on the politicians using the CC as a fear tactic to get rich and gain power. Can you please comment on that?

surabi - 3-23-2026 at 10:41 AM

Quote: Originally posted by SFandH  
Quote: Originally posted by Cliffy  


And I have never denied that man has an affect on the climate
The only argument is how much and what will its long term affect be
Which at this point is only guess work.


The word affect is a verb; the word effect is a noun. You have it backward.

[Edited on 3-22-2026 by SFandH]


Not always, although in this case correct.

"Exceptions and Nuances:
Effect (Verb): Can mean to bring about or implement, usually in the phrase "effect change".
Affect (Noun): In psychology, this refers to an expressed emotion.

The defensive, dismissive response of the poor grammar poster is telling. When intelligent people have their grammar corrected, they are normally appreciative, because they prefer not to sound uneducated.

surabi - 3-23-2026 at 11:23 AM

Plenty of present day examples of how successful countries with Social Democracies are, with high standards of living, education, and medical care, low crime and poverty rates.

"Key Social Democracies and Influenced Nations:

Nordic Model Countries: Denmark, Finland, Norway, and Sweden are considered high-socialism models (known as the Nordic model), emphasizing high public spending, union participation, and universal welfare.

European Nations: Germany, The Netherlands, Belgium, France, Spain, and Portugal often feature coalition governments led by social democratic parties, resulting in strong social safety nets.

Other Examples: Countries such as Canada, New Zealand, and Great Britain often experience significant social democratic influence through social programs, labor union activity, and left-leaning political parties."

Loco chooses to be willfully ignorant, refusing to understand the difference between Social Democracy and Communism, apparently not knowing that social democracies do not mean everything is owned by the govt. and all resources distributed equally, but are also capitalist systems which support free enterprise.





[Edited on 3-23-2026 by surabi]

SFandH - 3-23-2026 at 11:38 AM

Quote: Originally posted by surabi  
Quote: Originally posted by SFandH  
Quote: Originally posted by Cliffy  


And I have never denied that man has an affect on the climate
The only argument is how much and what will its long term affect be
Which at this point is only guess work.


The word affect is a verb; the word effect is a noun. You have it backward.

[Edited on 3-22-2026 by SFandH]


Not always, although in this case correct.

"Exceptions and Nuances:
Effect (Verb): Can mean to bring about or implement, usually in the phrase "effect change".
Affect (Noun): In psychology, this refers to an expressed emotion.



Correct you are. I should have started my sentence with the phrase "Most commonly."

surabi - 3-23-2026 at 01:19 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco  



NONE of them are able to defend themselves militarily without their dependence on the USA military. That has been proven this last year.




Are you under the impression those countries have been attacked in the past year and were unable to defend themselves? Do please let us know which of those countries were invaded in the past year and depended on the US military to repel the invaders, as it seems to have somehow escaped being reported on by every news agency worldwide.

surabi - 3-23-2026 at 04:37 PM

Oh, so "unable to defend themselves militarily" has instantly morphed into "impotent in their Ukraine assistance", since your lie got called out. Those are two completely different things.

surabi - 3-23-2026 at 08:36 PM

Assisting another country in their efforts to fight off an invader is not "unable to defend yourself". Are you purposely dense or just that dumb?

And alliances like NATO exist because there is strength and safety in numbers-everyone in the alliance commits to helping each other out if needed. Your blustering attitude that they are "dependent" on the US is contrary to the spirit of an alliance, which is one of cooperation, rather than antagonization and "we're better and more powerful than you and you need us".

surabi - 3-23-2026 at 09:41 PM

Am well aware that Ukraine is not part of NATO. What is your point?

It's the US that benefits the most from being a part of NATO, rather than the other way around. Sorry, not sorry that doesn't jive with your erroneous notions and ludicrous comparisons to Daddy not paying for designer jeans and nights out on the town.

https://www.belfercenter.org/research-analysis/nato-vital-us...

[Edited on 3-24-2026 by surabi]

How about deleting your OFF-TOPIC crap!

AKgringo - 3-24-2026 at 07:29 AM

This very long thread is complicated enough just talking about climate change affecting Baja.

Tioloco - 3-24-2026 at 07:47 AM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
This very long thread is complicated enough just talking about climate change affecting Baja.


Roger that AK- deleted...
Back to climate change and man's contribution:
Baja California formed over the last 10–12 million years when the Pacific tectonic plate began moving northwest, tearing the peninsula away from the North American plate. This tectonic separation created the Gulf of California (Sea of Cortez) and transformed the peninsula into a drifting landmass moving along with the Pacific Plate, a process that continues today....

The sky is NOT falling, ladies and gents. Baja is always changing, with or without us.

Thank you Crazy Uncle!

AKgringo - 3-25-2026 at 10:20 AM

You removed your half of the side-bar conversation, and returned on -topic.

More climate info....KCRA in Sacramento informed me today that this March has been an average of daily temps 11+degrees above normal. We just completed 10 days of meeting, or exceeding all time record high temps.

Also, it seems likely that we will finish the month with no measurable rainfall!

mtgoat666 - 3-25-2026 at 10:40 AM

USA reliance on oil for energy is dangerous, as the current Iran war economic impacts illustrates. USA used to have wise policies to foster renewable energy sources like wind and solar. Current admin is aggressively hindering renewable energy development, like their total war against development of wind energy.

Even if you disagree about pursuing renewable energy for as a means of mitigating climate change, you should be smart enough to see that development of renewable energy and increases in energy efficiency are good for us as it lessens reliance on oil that makes us pawns of world oil markets.

pacificobob - 3-25-2026 at 02:23 PM

Clearly you're not concerned about the whale cancer caused by wind energy.

mtgoat666 - 6-25-2026 at 02:40 PM

A Climate Chaos Maker
Global warming is causing extreme heat around the world. Now El Niño, a natural phenomenon that disrupts global weather patterns, is also at work.
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/24/world/europe-climate-heat...



JZ - 6-25-2026 at 03:41 PM

Bill Gates thinks you are foolish.



Bill Gates makes major climate change reversal after years of doomerism: "People will be able to live and thrive."

'Gates says climate crisis won’t cause ‘humanity’s demise’ in call to shift focus to ‘improving lives’

'Bill Gates has called for a “strategic pivot” in the effort against the climate crisis, writing that the world should shift away from trying to limit rising temperatures to instead focusing on efforts to prevent disease and poverty.

Writing on his Gates Notes website, the billionaire Microsoft co-founder criticized what he described as a “doomsday view of climate change” which is focusing “too much on near-term emissions goals”.'

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/28/bill-gates-c...

[Edited on 6-25-2026 by JZ]

SFandH - 6-25-2026 at 05:05 PM

The first sentence in the Gate's paper referenced by the Guardian link above says:

"Climate change is serious, but we’ve made great progress. We need to keep backing the breakthroughs that will help the world reach zero emissions."

Written by Bill Gates, the first sentence.

A few sentences on:

"Although climate change will have serious consequences—particularly for people in the poorest countries—it will not lead to humanity’s demise."

https://www.gatesnotes.com/home/home-page-topic/reader/three...

David K - 6-26-2026 at 07:27 AM

... and the sea level is still no higher than 90 years ago when the first photo of that El Coyote beach palm tree was taken! :light::biggrin::bounce:

2026 could be the worst "El Nino" in 150 years!

AKgringo - 6-26-2026 at 11:19 AM

According to a Co pilot search, the El Nino of 1877 was the worst climate disaster in recorded history;

https://www.bing.com/search?q=el+ni%c3%b1o+1877+facts&FO...

JZ - 6-26-2026 at 11:21 AM

So the climate/weather was worse 150 years ago?

Got it.

JZ - 6-26-2026 at 03:52 PM

Plus Baja survived this just fine 150 years ago.

pauldavidmena - 6-27-2026 at 05:36 AM

climate.us (formerly climate.gov) contains historical data for several climate-related metrics. They leave the interpretation up to scientists, and the policy-making up to politicians.

[Edited on 6-29-2026 by pauldavidmena]

surabi - 6-27-2026 at 04:35 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Plus Baja survived this just fine 150 years ago.



Perhaps you should hop on a plane to Europe and tell them how climate change and record high temperatures that cause people to die are no big deal because Baja survived just fine 150 years ago.

JZ - 6-27-2026 at 04:56 PM

Quote: Originally posted by surabi  

Perhaps you should hop on a plane to Europe and tell them how climate change and record high temperatures that cause people to die are no big deal because Baja survived just fine 150 years ago.


Tell us how many died 150 years ago from weather events vs. today?

"Far fewer people die from weather-related disasters today than they did 150 years ago, even though the world's population is much larger. This is one of the clearest long-term trends in disaster data.

Some of the main reasons are:

Better weather forecasting and early warning systems.

Stronger buildings and infrastructure.

Improved flood control and storm shelters.

Faster emergency response and evacuations.

Better healthcare and communications.

Greater food security, reducing deaths from drought-induced famines."

Europe needs to subsidize AC for people, and make cool spaces available to the at risk when the heat spikes. Just like Mamdani shouldn't have let dozens of homeless freeze to death when he ignored the two week forecast of freezing temps or Karen Bass ignored the advance forecast of Santa Ana winds during fire season before she decided to leave the country.

Giving governments trillions of dollars to make politicans rich and powerful isn't the answer. But you keep using your fake fear mongering over random weather events.

This is what Gates is telling you knuckle heads to focus on. Governments cannot change climate.




[Edited on 6-28-2026 by JZ]

That’s hot

mtgoat666 - 7-2-2026 at 03:46 PM

We Need to Retrofit the Planet. The Heat Wave Proves It.
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/07/01/opinion/heat-wave-europe-...

JDCanuck - 7-3-2026 at 12:43 AM


Giving governments trillions of dollars to make politicians rich and powerful isn't the answer.

Exactly, especially when they are using it to prevent global civilizations from doing what they can to reduce their contribution to global warming because they are telling us cheaper, cleaner energy sources and the advancing Engineering and Science behind it are all a "fraud".
We need to get people elected again that can do simple math and listen to the experts instead of inventing their own reality to make themselves wealthy at everyone else's expense. Or at least make them get out of the way and let the better informed people do what they can to help themselves.

https://earthjustice.org/press/2025/trump-administration-ill...



[Edited on 7-3-2026 by JDCanuck]

JZ - 7-3-2026 at 06:42 AM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
We Need to Retrofit the Planet. The Heat Wave Proves It.
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/07/01/opinion/heat-wave-europe-...



Yeah, I heard the temp in DC today might get within a couple degrees of the all time high.

An all time high from 1918. That darn climate crisis from a 100 years ago. :lol:

pauldavidmena - 7-4-2026 at 08:30 AM

The same climate.us website I cited above shows the global average surface temperature between 1850 and 2025. That's a better indication of the current trend than cherry-picking single temperature events.

Let's focus people! LOL

David K - 7-4-2026 at 10:04 AM

90 years since the earliest photo of this palm, just inches above the normal high tide line, and it still is... just inches above the high tide line. Happy 4th of July!

El Coyote Palm.jpg - 51kB

lencho - 7-4-2026 at 11:06 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
90 years since the earliest photo of this palm, just inches above the normal high tide line, and it still is... just inches above the high tide line.
Who could possibly refute that analytical proof that global warming is fake news®! :light:

mtgoat666 - 7-4-2026 at 06:51 PM

Happy fourth of July!

Hope the palm trees see another fourth!

JZ - 7-4-2026 at 07:36 PM

Quote: Originally posted by lencho  


Who could possibly refute that analytical proof that global warming is fake news®! :light:


Can we finally refute this?




JZ - 7-4-2026 at 07:38 PM

How to be a good climate activist:

Step 1 - own a private plane
Step 2 - lecture the poor
Step 3 - fly to Davos
Step 4 - give yourself an award
Step 5 - make rules to make the poor poorer
Step 6 - don't follow the rules yourself

surabi - 7-4-2026 at 08:36 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  


An all time high from 1918. That darn climate crisis from a 100 years ago. :lol:


I guess you aren't aware that anyone still denying man-made climate change is viewed as an idiot by everyone aside from **** fellow idiots.

[Edited on 7-5-2026 by surabi]

[Edited on 7-5-2026 by BajaNomad]

David K - 7-4-2026 at 08:53 PM

Climate change is not new. It has always changed. The palm is only a measuring stick of sea level change. Hysteria over miniscule change is unwarranted, IMO. So much more real problems to put that energy to.
Happy Independence Day!

JDCanuck - 7-4-2026 at 10:08 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Climate change is not new. It has always changed. The palm is only a measuring stick of sea level change. Hysteria over miniscule change is unwarranted, IMO. So much more real problems to put that energy to.
Happy Independence Day!


The goal is to minimize wasted energy while we at the same time adapt to variable and unstoppable climate changes that are wholly out of our control. Most reasonable people agree reducing unneeded excess CO2 generation by shifting to both more efficient and less polluting power sources is a positive goal, not a hoax to be opposed.
Lots of ways Engineers and Scientists accomplish this without creating more poverty:
1) Reduce the CO2 created and water wasted in production of every barrel of oil we continue to require and use as Alberta has done for 12 of the past 13 years at the production end.
2) Use pipelines to transport oil to refineries and markets instead of energy wasting trucks and trains.
3)Use high efficiency and the least CO2 producing methods of generating energy when using fossil fuels as the power source (combined cycle natural gas at 60-65% rather than coal at under 45%.
4) High voltage DC power transmission grids to reduce wasted transmission losses.
5) Use high 85% efficient electric motors to convert electric power sources to motive transportation instead of 25% at best gasoline and diesel sources in IC engines.
6) Use the long term cheapest energy sources to provide those energy supplies. Solar, Wind and Hydro are now the cheapest of all sources, followed by natural gas combined cycle plants and enables us to redirect funds saved to better uses like feeding the poor and housing the homeless. Coal thermal generation is more costly, produces far more CO2 and in addition multiple other pollution products. Nuclear Energy is far more expensive than those three alternates and only produces power at a measly 33% efficiency, the other 67% contributes directly to more rapid global warming, mainly in the oceans. The stored fuel waste seeping into the ground water without any real solution in Washington State and the resulting excess cancer in the region just makes it far more idiotic until someone comes up with a real solution to prevent it.

Why present and past Governments are fighting all those obvious efficiencies the Engineers have worked diligently to provide is beyond me. Maybe we need more Engineers and fewer Politicians running society. Why is China the only major country making any real progress in this direction through advanced Engineering and we continue to fight them being allowed to provide us with their solutions for our ultimate benefit? Maybe we should instead be copying them by promoting increased advanced Engineering and reducing the effect of wealthy lobbyists that want to protect their earnings and keep us in the darker ages of reliance on them.



[Edited on 7-5-2026 by JDCanuck]

JZ - 7-4-2026 at 10:30 PM

Anyone old enough to remember when scientists/government were telling us we were going to freeze to death.





[Edited on 7-5-2026 by JZ]

JDCanuck - 7-4-2026 at 10:57 PM

Jz: I see you missed the whole point of my posts. Of course there are events we cannot control, but that doesn't mean we have to deny we are contributing to the problems and can control that additional contribution. I have never supported Politicians who pretend to be guiding us to a better future while lining their own pockets and taking funds from lobbyists to prevent positive change.
Are you really trying to tell me legislating the continued use of dirty coal to provide power at Centralia in Washington State when everyone directly involved had agreed to convert to much cleaner, less polluting Natural gas producing 1/2 the CO2 for the same amount of power was the wisest way to proceed wasn't an act of self serving stupidity?

JZ - 7-5-2026 at 04:17 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  
Jz: I see you missed the whole point of my posts. Of course there are events we cannot control, but that doesn't mean we have to deny we are contributing to the problems and can control that additional contribution. I have never supported Politicians who pretend to be guiding us to a better future while lining their own pockets and taking funds from lobbyists to prevent positive change.


My apologies. You are right.

SFandH - 7-5-2026 at 06:42 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  


Nuclear Energy is far more expensive




Thanks for the lengthy post that I took the above snippet from.

I'm glad you mentioned the cost of nuclear energy. It's probably the main reason there aren't more nuclear generating stations. I've recently read that the Small Modular Reactors many are enthused about are even more expensive per megawatt-hour than the traditional nuclear stations. The large reactors benefit from economies of scale.


[Edited on 7-5-2026 by SFandH]

JDCanuck - 7-5-2026 at 07:48 AM

There were multiple reasons why Nuclear Energy fell out of favour, but long term costs of maintenance and safe storage of waste was likely the most effective in reducing the attractiveness as other renewable alternatives got cheaper and cheaper.
No one seems willing to tackle expenses of the storage issue and the problem of ongoing leakage just keeps growing as State and Federal entities argue about who is going to pay for it. The biggest operating issue is the relatively low usable power produced from the fuel relative to the massive amounts of waste heat produced and the necessity to provide far more cooling as a result.
Far better to provide power from combined cycle natural gas generators, use the CO2 produced to manufacture Urea fertilizers as is presently being done by Nutrien in Alberta and store the remainder in underground caverns while getting 60-65% efficiency from the fuel source.

surfhat - 7-5-2026 at 09:47 AM

JD, you honor all of us from your Canadian perspective.

I will resist the temptation to condemn those who remain in denial.

That resistance lasted only seconds.

We all can agree, Baja is a treasure for every one of us, and with every

breath I take, will continue to exact as small a footprint as I can,

every time I venture south.

I hope others feel the same reverence for such a special wonder of

nature we all honor in our own ways.

JDCanuck - 7-5-2026 at 11:30 AM

Well, as for Baja, I admired the solar advances and wish we were up to their standards of acceptance here, and the newest power plant out at Pichilingue looks like an excellent start too. Wind, solar and natural gas combined cycle generation popular acceptance are way ahead of Canada at present. Now if they could only deal with that growing plastics refuse issue and find a way to improve the water supplies. But I noticed there are also Mexican Engineers chasing those issues down too.
My first knowledge of Atmospheric Water Generators came from our time down there and it proved to be far better than I had imagined at our location when we had the time to test it out. Have not tried up here as we have more than enough water to keep wasting it in wet coast BC still. Even in much lower relative humidity La Paz it's working very well for a minimal investment.


[Edited on 7-5-2026 by JDCanuck]

SFandH - 7-5-2026 at 12:53 PM

Largest Solar Project in the Americas Moves Forward - 1 gigawatt.

In Sonora:

"Two phases have already been completed and are generating electricity. The first phase entered into operation on April 30, 2023, producing 120 MW of clean energy for the city of Puerto Peñasco. The second phase began operations on September 14, 2024, adding an installed capacity of 300 MW, which is supplied to the city of Mexicali, Baja California. Development of Phase III is currently underway.

Upon completion of all four construction phases, the project will reach 1,000 megawatts (MW) of installed capacity, plus 246 MW through a Battery Energy Storage System (BESS), making it the largest solar power plant in the Americas and the fifth largest worldwide."

https://www.proyectosmexico.gob.mx/en/largest-solar-project-...

Sheinbaum was recently in Mexicali, where she inaugurated a new 673-megawatt natural gas power plant.

https://www.jornada.com.mx/noticia/2026/06/21/politica/claud...

lencho - 7-5-2026 at 01:12 PM

Quote: Originally posted by SFandH  
Largest Solar Project in the Americas Moves Forward - 1 gigawatt.
Something to be said for having a scientist/engineer as President. :light:

SFandH - 7-5-2026 at 01:23 PM

Quote: Originally posted by lencho  
Quote: Originally posted by SFandH  
Largest Solar Project in the Americas Moves Forward - 1 gigawatt.
Something to be said for having a scientist/engineer as President. :light:


Ph.D. in Energy Engineering - I bet she had fun touring the new power plant. Probably the best day of her trip to Baja. :D

JDCanuck - 7-5-2026 at 03:16 PM

How does any country manage to take advanced Engineering that is so well designed in other nations and turn all of them into disasters? Even up here in Canada with our much slimmer solar capabilities we are finding it extremely beneficial with rapid paybacks and zero Government funding. All we need is for the Government to get out of the way and let us do it with the best available equipment. Right now that happens to be from China. Even Teslas are seeing a surge in sales now that we are allowed to buy the Chinese manufactured ones at suddenly 40% price reductions on the Model 3's that don't have excess Steel, Aluminum and Copper tariffs included in them when we were forced to buy them from the US manufacturers.
Whats perhaps worse is for the first time in 30 years after being the US major market for exported vehicles, Canadians are importing more Mexican manufactured vehicles from a relatively tariff free country than we previously bought from the US. It's not a boycott, it's the excess prices we are unwilling to shoulder.


[Edited on 7-5-2026 by JDCanuck]

SFandH - 7-5-2026 at 03:31 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  

All we need is for the Government to get out of the way and let us do it with the best available equipment. Right now that happens to be from China.



Interesting two sentences considering the Chinese government is heavily integrated with Chinese business.

JDCanuck - 7-5-2026 at 03:40 PM

SFandH: It's the tariffs. Raising costs of manufacturing through tariffs on all the imported raw materials has loaded US manufacturers with a heavv extra cost to innovate and produce. It's no mystery why over 50% of Teslas cars are now manufactured in Shanghai or why Ford and GM are now manufacturing their newer technology vehicles increasingly in foreign locations with dual partnerships with Chinese manufacturers. All 3 traditional NA manufacturers warned what was happening to their manufacturing costs in the US, but it appears no one was listening.
I would buy a Rivian in a heartbeat for my next EV if it wasn't for that extra 25% price they tacked on because of tariffs. As it is, it looks like the next will be Japanese again, or perhaps advanced Chinese design if they are as cheap as they are in Mexico when they finally arrive.


[Edited on 7-5-2026 by JDCanuck]

SFandH - 7-6-2026 at 02:12 PM

France records 2,025 excess deaths in June heatwave

France endured a rise of nearly 30 percent in the number of deaths recorded during the week of June 22, the peak of a record-breaking heatwave that battered the country, the public health authority said Friday.

"There were around 2,025 additional deaths for the week of June 22 to 28 compared with the previous week," French Health Minister Stephanie Rist told local media on Friday, warning that the tally was nowhere near complete.

https://www.france24.com/en/france/20260703-france-records-2...

JDCanuck - 7-6-2026 at 06:03 PM

Quote: Originally posted by lencho  
Quote: Originally posted by SFandH  
Largest Solar Project in the Americas Moves Forward - 1 gigawatt.
Something to be said for having a scientist/engineer as President. :light:


Just came across this additional possible use of Carbon Capture and Utilization. Once again, developed in the US, but more likely to be put into use elsewhere.

https://news.mit.edu/2023/engineers-develop-efficient-fuel-p...
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