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Fear, Fear, Fear!!!

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Bajahowodd - 3-12-2009 at 04:49 PM

Dow up three days running. Citi and GE have positive stuff to say. We're not out of the woods, but....Baja!

David K - 3-12-2009 at 05:14 PM

Thanks for popping in Bernie!

BajaGringo, what I was talking about was creating 'wealth' so we ALL could have a home, food, and happiness... not so much 'material wealth'... But being able to care for one's family and not expect the government (ie. your neighbors) to pay for your mistakes, or lack of motivation... You must learn to care for yourself and not wait for the handout.

Baitcast... excellent quote!

I don't know about the rest of you, but I never got a job from a poor person! When the rich get richer, the poor get richer... The American economy is not a finite pie that only has a few slices... it is open ended with no limit... Just get the government out of our way and let us build the economy back up.

805gregg - 3-12-2009 at 05:42 PM

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Just get the government out of our way and let us build the economy back up.


Not likely, some idots elected a Dem. tax and spend, is the way for now. Take the money from those that work and give it to those that don't. Nationalized health care doesn't work, aske the Canadians, when they want good care they cross over to the US.

Paladin - 3-12-2009 at 05:50 PM

Beware of preaching Christians

CaboRon - 3-12-2009 at 05:54 PM

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Originally posted by Paladin
Beware of preaching Christians


Couldn't have said it better myself :lol:

Most interesting

Baja Bernie - 3-12-2009 at 06:13 PM

Beware the Christians..............who would they be??? Not even sure I am one but I do respect the fact that they DO have a set of principals...........and even some of them live by their ideas.

Thought this thread was about fear.....

.Hey! David.....you are right there with Jesse at hitting the nail on the head.

Hi Baja Angel..........the lady's know--right!

CaboRon - 3-13-2009 at 11:42 AM

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Originally posted by Baja Bernie
Beware the Christians..............who would they be??? Not even sure I am one but I do respect the fact that they DO have a set of principals...........and even some of them live by their ideas.

Thought this thread was about fear.....

.Hey! David.....you are right there with Jesse at hitting the nail on the head.

Hi Baja Angel..........the lady's know--right!




It's about dogma and judgement of others ...

Fundamentalist' of all faiths are abhorant to those around them :lol::lol:

tigerdog - 3-13-2009 at 03:26 PM

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Originally posted by David K
I don't know about the rest of you, but I never got a job from a poor person! When the rich get richer, the poor get richer... The American economy is not a finite pie that only has a few slices... it is open ended with no limit... Just get the government out of our way and let us build the economy back up.


What barometer do you use to measure how the poor get richer when the rich get richer? That statement seems to fly in the face of the evidence. Over the last 8 years or so the very rich have become exponentially richer while the ranks of the poor have greatly increased and the middle class has shrunk at an alarming rate. And that did not happen just in the last couple of years, but has been a steady occurence over that time. I don't see any evidence that the riches have "trickled down".

Real wages have stagnated, millions are jobless, 50 million without health care, tent cities are popping up all over the country, the REAL unemployment rate (not the official one) is in the 15% range, children are going hungry and we have all been thoroughly screwed by corporate greed and the various financial institutions, who now want our money to rescue them from their profligate, incompetent and unethical ways.

It was getting government "out of the way" that largely set the stage for all this to happen. And now you want us to trust those same "evildoers" who screwed everything up to fix it all and promise to never ever do it again (until the next time)? I don't think so.

As for poor people, they may not provide jobs but my personal experience mirrors John Steinbeck's quote in Grapes of Wrath: "If you're in trouble or hurt or need - go to the poor people. They're the only ones that'll help - the only ones."

Bajahowodd - 3-13-2009 at 03:51 PM

I know that there are folks who listen all day to talk radio and will not agree with me. Trickle down does not work. Period. Lowering taxes and regulations on the wealthy and the corporations ultimately resulted in a huge shift of our nation's wealth to the very few at the top. If you are going to cite all the good economic periods since Reagan basically started all this, don't bother. Much of the so-called wealth of the middle class was ephemeral. As jobs moved overseas to help corporate bottom lines, many who lost their jobs ultimately found others jobs that paid less and had less or no benefits. Employers that provided pension plans shifted to 401k plans which involved shifting much of the monetary responsibility to the employee. In 1972, I had a health plan with my employer that was not PPO or HMO. Virtually no restrictions on my choice of providers, and it was virtually completely paid by the employer. Getting back to my original point, the middle class really didn't notice what was happening for a few reasons. First, it occurred gradually. Second, means to maintain a lifestyle became available in the form of credit cards. And then, there was this real estate thing. Refinancing and taking equity lines on what was ultimately unsupportable real estate values.

It tooks decades, and it certainly wasn't in a straight line, but the fact is trickle down has really meant shift up in the comparative wealth among our classes.

Perhaps it is time to try something else before we become a third world nation. Oh. That's right. This forum makes it appear that we all already embrace a third world nation.:D

mtgoat666 - 3-13-2009 at 04:14 PM

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Originally posted by baitcast
From off topic Food for thought.
Rob
What a profound short little paragraph that says it all!!!

"You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."

~~~~~ Dr. Adrian Rogers,1931


it's pablum for simpletons.

mtgoat666 - 3-13-2009 at 04:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
I don't know about the rest of you, but I never got a job from a poor person! When the rich get richer, the poor get richer...


Let them eat cake!

Cypress - 3-13-2009 at 04:20 PM

Fear is a funny thing.:lol::lol:

baitcast - 3-13-2009 at 04:20 PM

:lol: Yep it do make some sence.

Iflyfish - 3-13-2009 at 04:28 PM

Well said wodd and dog.

Some would posit and have on this site that there is plenty of work for anyone who wants it and if someone is not working then they are somehow morally deficient. They posit that if one is not well to do it is one’s own fault. I personally find this view insulting, arrogant and out of touch with the realities of the ordinary person who has experienced what tigerdog so clearly describes.

It seems to some that because they are comfortable they believe that they possess some sort of moral superiority and those who are not doing well are somehow inferior to them. Marie Antoinette said "let them eat cake" when told that the masses were without bread. That immediately preceded the French Revolution. That is the sort of hubris that has gripped the national consciousness of the USofA since the time of Reagan. We have idolized the rich and ascribed to them superiority and have looked to them as role models. We don't view a Teacher or Peace Corps worker in the same way that we view Donald Trump.

We are all one health catastrophe away from economic disaster and many of the home foreclosures that are happening are because people cannot pay their medical bills. It would seem to me that the Conservatives who post here actually blame the victim and claim moral superiority because they have means themselves.

I recently had a Conservative friend, who was laid off and is having a terrible time finding work, lost his medical coverage and needed medical care. So he went to the ER and waited four hours. He now understands a little of what the reality is for some 50 million people without coverage due to no fault of their own. He now has a large medical bill and no way to pay it. This will affect his credit rating and he now is in the downward spiral that he refused to believe happens to good people every day in the USofA.

There are solutions, but trickle down "voodoo" economics is not one of them.

Some people need simple answers and solutions to problems. They are uncomfortable with the notion that life can be chaotic and unpredictable. True Believers, no matter what the stripe, have a sense of internal security that is built upon their belief system and they live with a great fear that anything that does not reinforce their belief system is DANGEROUS, hence they are actually fear based though they act very self assured.

Notice how the terrorist spends his days reciting the Koran, notice how rigid fundamentalists of any stripe always say the same things, over and over, and how they reference themselves as virtuous and posit others as bad, inferior, immoral, Socialist or Communist. Fundamentalists of any stripe are dangerous and to be feared as it is their way and their way only. These folks can be found on both the left and right on the political spectrum, both have very clear answers as to how you SHOULD live.

In times of social unrest and upheaval nations often turn to dictators who offer certainty as a way to address social anxiety (fear without a reference). These people offer simple solutions and often resort to force of violence to subdue the "other". Notice Chavez who has now been named Ruler for Life. Notice how Rush Limbaugh is idolized and lionized. It is hard for the voice of reason to be heard in the context of fear.

Mexico is experiencing social and political unrest and could well turn to a True Believer, Obrador for example, to try to address the anxiety that the Fox/Calderon Presidencies have generated by challenging the status quo and the economic downturn that is having its very real impact on the average person's pocket book.

Just as people seek "pie in the sky when you die" when faced with personal tragedy, times of public distress can lead to a desire for certitude on the part of leaders and this can be dangerous indeed.

Iflyfish

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Iflyfish

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Skeet/Loreto - 3-13-2009 at 05:26 PM

Tirgerdog" Please let me know where these Tent Cities are "Poping up all over the Country", I have some extra Money that I would like to share with them. Just Locations and any Photos of the Area and the person responsible for feeding the Children in that Area.

Thanks
Skeet/Loreto

Skeet/Loreto - 3-13-2009 at 05:40 PM

Texas just announce that 'We do not need the Govt. handout for unemployment."

The true needy are being taken care of in this country; Just ask a few--Not the Druggies nor the people who pull the Workmans Comp. Injury deal with the Employer doing the Paying.

Can any one doing Posts on this Thread tell me who has been buying all the cars being produced in the last 20 years//

Was it the Rich Folks.

And when Clinton got Fannie Mae and Freddie Mack to lower the standards to be met for getting a Loan who benefited.??

Is it not funny that the people making fun of Religious Folks have never been nor Had any Faith or Religion?? Seems as they just do not know what they are talking about.

I love America!! I believe it is the Greatest Country in the World!
I do not "Hate" the poor weak minded who are crying and whining that the Rich are keeing the Poor that way, just feel sorry that their Minds are so Weak.

I Pray for them. Hoping that God will help them get out and Work Harder, love their Neighbor, take care of their Children. God Bless them All!

I am thanful that I am not a Commie.

Iflyfish - 3-13-2009 at 05:41 PM

http://www.sacloaves.org/tent-cities-in-america/?gclid=CJPlo...

Google: US Tent Cities. You will find lots of info there including pictures, stories, ways to help. Good for you amigo.

Iflyfish

tigerdog - 3-13-2009 at 06:04 PM

Iflyfish beat me to it. So instead I'll point you-- and anyone else who is interested-- to Feeding America, an organization devoted to addressing hunger in America. Food banks all across the country are having a hard time meeting the needs of people in their locations, a combination of cutbacks in donations and an increase in the needy. You can help by finding a food bank in your area and donating food (please, not stuff that has expired already, lol)

http://feedingamerica.org/

God bless you for helping, amigo.

Edited to add this link, which is about the Sacramento tent city and has lots of photos. Those people aren't there because they didn't work hard or are weak minded...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1159677/Pi...

Second edit: Oops. Wrong URL

See also this story, to show that it is not just Sacramento. This 2008 article focuses on Reno but addresses the issue across the country. Note that besides the tent cities, there is a large increase of families living in cars and vans. That is very serious indeed!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26776283/


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mtgoat666 - 3-13-2009 at 06:07 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Tirgerdog" Please let me know where these Tent Cities are "Poping up all over the Country", I have some extra Money that I would like to share with them. Just Locations and any Photos of the Area and the person responsible for feeding the Children in that Area.

Thanks
Skeet/Loreto


Skeet, I saw one of the tent cities in Sacramento. I'm sure there are more, and probably a few in Texas.

Skeet/Loreto - 3-13-2009 at 06:14 PM

Just for Information:

The 22 North American Shrine Hospitals has a budget of 11 Billion Dollars. $365 Million is spent every year just on Cripple Children.

In addition The Scottish Rite of Masonry has 167 Lanuage Disorder Centers across the Country.

The York Rite of Masonry has several Eye Clinics for the Children.

All Services are free to the Children.


I would like for anyone interested to go to ----evelineriversproject.org and see how we do it in the Texas panhandle. We do not allow Food services to the Poor run out of Food!!

Iflyfish - 3-13-2009 at 06:18 PM

Tent City Sites:

http://www.google.com/search?q=US+Tent+cities&rls=com.mi...


"Texas just announce that 'We do not need the Govt. handout for unemployment."

"The true needy are being taken care of in this country; Just ask a few--Not the Druggies nor the people who pull the Workman’s Comp. Injury deal with the Employer doing the Paying."

Yup, those worthless, shiftless, lazy people who are unemployed. They lack the virtue of us who have "made our own way". Those people who feign injury on the job, we know they are faking so they can live the life of Riley on our dime. We all know that work places are safe in the USofA and if it weren't for that worthless OSHA and Worker's comp we would all be better off. If someone is injured on the job, and by the way that really never happens, it's their own darn fault. I would never be so stupid as to be injured on a job.

We know that those worthless families who are living on the streets and in shelters are there because they did not have the moral fiber that we do, I can prove this, I am not living in a shelter, I am well off. If I can do it anyone can. There must be something wrong with them.

The poor Mexicans that we see on the streets begging are also of poor moral character and are there because they are just lazy. Pure and simple. I have my own house, boat, can afford to travel and there those lazy buggers are, sponging off of the rest of us. If they were only more moral, they would obviously have what I have. The Indio's who we see selling trinkets on the street are another example of lack of morality and virtue. See I don't live on the streets selling trinkets and I am full of virtue. The Native people of the USofA that we see drunk on the streets just lack the moral fiber and virtue that I have because I am not drunk and on the streets. The only reason that someone would be drunk and on the streets is because they have no morals or values. They are just lazy. I am not lazy and I have lots so I must be a better person then they are.

Actually the poor do not exist, it is a figment of the Liberal Media and if they do exist it's because they don't have good morals like I do.

Skeet wrote: "I do not "Hate" the poor weak minded who are crying and whining that the Rich are keeing the Poor that way, just feel sorry that their Minds are so Weak." I don't hate them, I just hold them in contempt and feel free to mock them because I am superior to them. If people are poor it's their fault. I am not poor so I am superior and more moral than they are. Don't you understand, I am doing wonderful so I must be wonderful and those who are not are not as good as I am?

What does this have to do with fear. I fear the people who hold these sort of attitudes because they deny the existence of real problems and blame the victims. People like Bush, Chaney, Rumsfeld, Pearl, etc. feel they are superior to the poor and downtrodden and so really don't need to do anything about their circumstances besides moralizing with them. "So what?", we will bomb them and they will love us. This is delusional thinking and it is dangerous and particularly dangerous if we elect people to power who think like this. The example of a State Government refusing the extension of Unemployment Insurance for people forced out of work by this economy is an excellent example of how this sort of thinking is DANGEROUS. Remember the religious right blaming New Orleans for Katrina because of “immorality”. Recall the religious right blaming Aids on Gay people and their “immorality”. These people are dangerous. These are the people that say they “love Gays” it’s the sin of their sexuality that is sinful. ?????? see what I mean. Dangerous. It’s like the priests who baptized Native Mexican people before killing them. We love them; we baptized them before we killed them so they could be loved by our loving god. Its like Stalin “loving” his country and protecting it from the evil Capitalists. Dangerous.

The true believers in unfettered markets drove our collective car into a very deep ditch and now blame those who are bankrupted believing them to be morally bankrupt.

Iflyfish

Bajahowodd - 3-13-2009 at 11:41 PM

Everyone waiting for the rapture, raise your hands.

3 WORDS

Sharksbaja - 3-14-2009 at 02:07 AM

Get $!!*%@# over it!

Skeet/Loreto - 3-14-2009 at 07:07 AM

Flyfish;

You must be a Politian! I have never seen anyone turn anothers words into such.

Are you a Communist?? Do you wish to see the good old USA turned into something like Russia??

Do you think Poor People could all work as executives and build cars for the Rich People.

There are people who work Hard and want to better themselves.

There are people who donot want to work and take care of Themselves.

There are People who only want to do DOPE and anything that meets the standard" If it feels good just do it!

SURVIVAL OF THE FITIST

From the Panhandle of Texas where there are no TENT CITIES POPPING UP ALL OVER.

ELINVESTIG8R - 3-14-2009 at 07:59 AM

I'm usually not afraid of anything but some of you in this thread scare me to death. I will let you wonder to whom I refer.

Skeet/Loreto - 3-14-2009 at 08:41 AM

tIRGERDOG;

I have looked at the sites you sent. I am not impressed wit any truth in their site.

Would you please let me know those Tent City Sites that you have personally been to and have seen with your Eyes.

You might want to try Google Earth and bring up photos if they are large enough.

Houston- The third largest City in the usa does not have any such "Tent Citys popped up All over.

Can you send a photo of the ones nearest to you.

Skeet

oldlady - 3-14-2009 at 09:00 AM

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Originally posted by Iflyfish
Well said wodd and dog.

Some would posit and have on this site that there is plenty of work for anyone who wants it and if someone is not working then they are somehow morally deficient. They posit that if one is not well to do it is one’s own fault. I personally find this view insulting, arrogant and out of touch with the realities of the ordinary person who has experienced what tigerdog so clearly describes.

No, we posit that when there is work available that some will not do it because they are lazy or they can make more money running drugs or they are content to live off of the fruits of others labors. How many times over the years have we4 heard that the justification for illegal immigration is that these are jobs that Americans don't want to do?"

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It seems to some that because they are comfortable they believe that they possess some sort of moral superiority and those who are not doing well are somehow inferior to them. Marie Antoinette said "let them eat cake" when told that the masses were without bread. That immediately preceded the French Revolution. That is the sort of hubris that has gripped the national consciousness of the USofA since the time of Reagan. We have idolized the rich and ascribed to them superiority and have looked to them as role models. We don't view a Teacher or Peace Corps worker in the same way that we view Donald Trump.
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True, we don't view everybody in the same way, have we ever? We have idolized rich whether they be magnates , movie starts or rocks stars, long before Reaan. Some of us even idolize politicians.
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We are all one health catastrophe away from economic disaster and many of the home foreclosures that are happening are because people cannot pay their medical bills. It would seem to me that the Conservatives who post here actually blame the victim and claim moral superiority because they have means themselves.
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I think it is important to differentiate victims from perpetrators. It is not easy to do that. Perhaps you are confusing moral superiority with anger. The anger is not because we have means (albeit a whole lot less), it is because we never bought into the materialistc myth of living with debt. Some of us who have already lost a lot are now being asked to ante up more, some of that to bailout not only companies but indivduals who carelessly lived with debt. We are angry about that and we are fearful that while the payment may not come in the form of higher income taxes, we will bear the cost in many other ways, perhaps more dear than money.

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I recently had a Conservative friend, who was laid off and is having a terrible time finding work, lost his medical coverage and needed medical care. So he went to the ER and waited four hours. He now understands a little of what the reality is for some 50 million people without coverage due to no fault of their own. He now has a large medical bill and no way to pay it. This will affect his credit rating and he now is in the downward spiral that he refused to believe happens to good people every day in the USofA.

There are solutions, but trickle down "voodoo" economics is not one of them.

Some people need simple answers and solutions to problems. They are uncomfortable with the notion that life can be chaotic and unpredictable. True Believers, no matter what the stripe, have a sense of internal security that is built upon their belief system and they live with a great fear that anything that does not reinforce their belief system is DANGEROUS, hence they are actually fear based though they act very self assured.
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When in human history, from the Code of Hammurabi to the Ten Commandments, the Magna Carta and the Constitution dowe not strive to bring order to chaos in an effort to frame the boundaries of some of the unpredictable ? I would submit that whatever the belief system, most, but of course not all, view as dangerous things that threaten their belief system and may fear those , but that in the absence of such a threat can tolerate, without fear, other belief systems that do not reinforce their own.
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Notice how the terrorist spends his days reciting the Koran, notice how rigid fundamentalists of any stripe always say the same things, over and over, and how they reference themselves as virtuous and posit others as bad, inferior, immoral, Socialist or Communist. Fundamentalists of any stripe are dangerous and to be feared as it is their way and their way only. These folks can be found on both the left and right on the political spectrum, both have very clear answers as to how you SHOULD live.

In times of social unrest and upheaval nations often turn to dictators who offer certainty as a way to address social anxiety (fear without a reference). These people offer simple solutions and often resort to force of violence to subdue the "other". Notice Chavez who has now been named Ruler for Life. Notice how Rush Limbaugh is idolized and lionized. It is hard for the voice of reason to be heard in the context of fear.
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Until recently I was hardly aware of Rush Limbaugh, nor was virtually anyone outside of the US. But in speaking of idolizing, regardless of one's party affiliation, was not the worldwide worship of Obama during his campaign not breathtaking? Can anyone remember any politician, even Kennedy, ever being lionized so?
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Mexico is experiencing social and political unrest and could well turn to a True Believer, Obrador for example, to try to address the anxiety that the Fox/Calderon Presidencies have generated by challenging the status quo and the economic downturn that is having its very real impact on the average person's pocket book.

Just as people seek "pie in the sky when you die" when faced with personal tragedy, times of public distress can lead to a desire for certitude on the part of leaders and this can be dangerous indeed.
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It is for this reason that one of the newest mantras, "Never waste a crisis" concerns me. Possibly it betrays the use of fear as a great manipulative force.

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Iflyfish

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ligui - 3-14-2009 at 09:12 AM

Boy , fear seems to your favorite subject , maybe it's time to let it go and get on with life . How about some good photo's ?:P

Ligui

nevadacitynurse - 3-14-2009 at 09:19 AM

Skeet - According to KCRA news this morning, there's a huge tent city in Sacramento. I'm going there today to see what I can do to help. I'll take some photos for you. Kids & dogs can't do for themselves, thank you Skeet!

ligui - 3-14-2009 at 09:39 AM

Good joke david , Good thing the past govt. employees paid all their taxes, or we be in a real mess...........:lol:

Skeet/Loreto - 3-14-2009 at 11:11 AM

Thanks for you good Edit Old Lady

Pi in the Sky

MrBillM - 3-14-2009 at 11:16 AM

No Worries, mates.

Now that Congress has declared a National "Pi" day, things are sure to improve.

This is what they do best. If we could just confine them to this type of activity, EVERY country would be a lot better off.

oldlady - 3-14-2009 at 11:33 AM

You're being circum-spect, go to your room.

Pork Pi

MrBillM - 3-14-2009 at 12:22 PM

Chastened, I Went to my room, but there's a computer there, too. In fact, the Damned things are all over the place even after going on another wholesale "Toss it out" binge this a.m. throwing away Two computers, 3 (Brand-New) 24x CD-ROMs, 2 Parallel port CD-ROMs, a Parallel-Port Hard Drive, 2 HP Printers and numerous Video cards, Sound Cards and Modems.

Breaks my Heart to throw away good, but obsolete, gear.

It's a good thing that Congress stepped in to consecrate 3.14 as Pi Day. I find there is actually TWO or THREE Pi days. How's that for confusing ?

"Pi Day is observed on March 14, 3/14 being the first three digits of pi. It can also be celebrated on March 4 (when 14% of the month of March has elapsed). Pi Approximation Day is observed on July 22, due to "Pi" being roughly equal to 22/7".

dianaji - 3-14-2009 at 12:23 PM

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Originally posted by oldlady
You're being circum-spect, go to your room.


You're such a funny old lady!!! i am so sick of this thread and i just signed on cause i see this message from u. tell those guys that worrying is a waste of time.:lol:

oldlady - 3-14-2009 at 12:38 PM

It's so nice to have a man around the house...

Telling them anything is probably a waste of time....but I think I fear a world without 'em.

Skeet/Loreto - 3-14-2009 at 01:47 PM

Jesse : You presented avery good Post which as usual drifts of, depending on the Posters.

I say again Thanks to you.

If posters such as Tirgerdog and Iflyfish would post their resimes it woul show the Honest posters their Back grounds and we might be able to have a better discussion.

If some of the Posters would backup their statements with
Facts and not someone else words copied off the Net it would geive them a little more credit.

But, I do not think it will happen as the people in our Culture today want to grow Fear in the minds of the Masses so that they can be better Controlled.

Hang in there Jesse, the good people of this Good Old USA will survive and will come back with a Bang. Of Course some of these Naysayers may get Hungry and have to go to Work.
Would that not be something to see, ********* Working????

Skeet

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Iflyfish - 3-14-2009 at 01:58 PM

Originally posted by oldlady

Originally posted by Iflyfish

Some would posit and have on this site that there is plenty of work for anyone who wants it and if someone is not working then they are somehow morally deficient. They posit that if one is not well to do it is one’s own fault. I personally find this view insulting, arrogant and out of touch with the realities of the ordinary person who has experienced what tigerdog so clearly describes.

No, we posit that when there is work available that some will not do it because they are lazy or they can make more money running drugs or they are content to live off of the fruits of others labors. How many times over the years have we4 heard that the justification for illegal immigration is that these are jobs that Americans don't want to do?"
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You are right, there are people who are lazy, willing to make money off of illegal activities and willing to live off the labor of others i.e. Madoff, greedy CEOs etl al. Those jobs that your refer to are not family wage jobs, they are Minimum Wage Jobs that most could not support a family on in the USofA and this is why people who come from a country where the cost of living is lower would come to another country to take those jobs. The exception however does not prove the rule. Most people who are now unemployed are unemployed BECAUSE there are not enough family wage jobs to go around. Lazyness or lack of morality is not the only reason that people are unemployed.

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It seems to some that because they are comfortable they believe that they possess some sort of moral superiority and those who are not doing well are somehow inferior to them. Marie Antoinette said "let them eat cake" when told that the masses were without bread. That immediately preceded the French Revolution. That is the sort of hubris that has gripped the national consciousness of the USofA since the time of Reagan. We have idolized the rich and ascribed to them superiority and have looked to them as role models. We don't view a Teacher or Peace Corps worker in the same way that we view Donald Trump.
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True, we don't view everybody in the same way, have we ever? We have idolized rich whether they be magnates , movie starts or rocks stars, long before Reaan. Some of us even idolize politicians.
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I agree with you.
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We are all one health catastrophe away from economic disaster and many of the home foreclosures that are happening are because people cannot pay their medical bills. It would seem to me that the Conservatives who post here actually blame the victim and claim moral superiority because they have means themselves.
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I think it is important to differentiate victims from perpetrators. It is not easy to do that. Perhaps you are confusing moral superiority with anger. The anger is not because we have means (albeit a whole lot less), it is because we never bought into the materialistc myth of living with debt. Some of us who have already lost a lot are now being asked to ante up more, some of that to bailout not only companies but indivduals who carelessly lived with debt. We are angry about that and we are fearful that while the payment may not come in the form of higher income taxes, we will bear the cost in many other ways, perhaps more dear than money.

===========================================I am not confusing legitimate anger for moral superiority. I was responding to Skeet's post. See his last one for amplification of the point I was making. We are all poorer and rightfully angry for the manipulations that have left us all poorer.

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I recently had a Conservative friend, who was laid off and is having a terrible time finding work, lost his medical coverage and needed medical care. So he went to the ER and waited four hours. He now understands a little of what the reality is for some 50 million people without coverage due to no fault of their own. He now has a large medical bill and no way to pay it. This will affect his credit rating and he now is in the downward spiral that he refused to believe happens to good people every day in the USofA.

There are solutions, but trickle down "voodoo" economics is not one of them.

Some people need simple answers and solutions to problems. They are uncomfortable with the notion that life can be chaotic and unpredictable. True Believers, no matter what the stripe, have a sense of internal security that is built upon their belief system and they live with a great fear that anything that does not reinforce their belief system is DANGEROUS, hence they are actually fear based though they act very self assured.
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When in human history, from the Code of Hammurabi to the Ten Commandments, the Magna Carta and the Constitution dowe not strive to bring order to chaos in an effort to frame the boundaries of some of the unpredictable ? I would submit that whatever the belief system, most, but of course not all, view as dangerous things that threaten their belief system and may fear those , but that in the absence of such a threat can tolerate, without fear, other belief systems that do not reinforce their own.

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Exactly. When we perpetuate "WAR on ......." we generate fear in people. How we define our experience generates our emotions. When afraid people do not think as clearly.
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Notice how the terrorist spends his days reciting the Koran, notice how rigid fundamentalists of any stripe always say the same things, over and over, and how they reference themselves as virtuous and posit others as bad, inferior, immoral, Socialist or Communist. Fundamentalists of any stripe are dangerous and to be feared as it is their way and their way only. These folks can be found on both the left and right on the political spectrum, both have very clear answers as to how you SHOULD live.

In times of social unrest and upheaval nations often turn to dictators who offer certainty as a way to address social anxiety (fear without a reference). These people offer simple solutions and often resort to force of violence to subdue the "other". Notice Chavez who has now been named Ruler for Life. Notice how Rush Limbaugh is idolized and lionized. It is hard for the voice of reason to be heard in the context of fear.
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Until recently I was hardly aware of Rush Limbaugh, nor was virtually anyone outside of the US. But in speaking of idolizing, regardless of one's party affiliation, was not the worldwide worship of Obama during his campaign not breathtaking? Can anyone remember any politician, even Kennedy, ever being lionized so?

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There is always a risk in idolizing our leaders. The country was ripe for a take over by an authortarian character and we are fortunate we did not get one this time. The USofA was a virtual Dictatorship under the imperial presidency of Chaney/Bush. I fear for Mexico in this regard. Chaos and demoralization can lead populations to select authortarian leaders and this is why it is in the self interest of the ruling class to look our for the interests of the disposessed. Not to do so is done at very great risk.
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Mexico is experiencing social and political unrest and could well turn to a True Believer, Obrador for example, to try to address the anxiety that the Fox/Calderon Presidencies have generated by challenging the status quo and the economic downturn that is having its very real impact on the average person's pocket book.

Just as people seek "pie in the sky when you die" when faced with personal tragedy, times of public distress can lead to a desire for certitude on the part of leaders and this can be dangerous indeed.
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It is for this reason that one of the newest mantras, "Never waste a crisis" concerns me. Possibly it betrays the use of fear as a great manipulative force.

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Exactly. Well said. Carl Rove was very clear about this as was Chaney. They used the crisis of 9/11 to invade a Sovereign Nation, Iraq, with out provocation. They took a position that "pre-emptive war was the policy of the USofA. They did away with the rule of law by detaining and murdering people. They did away with the rule of law by using illegal wire taps. They did away with the rule of law by engaging in torture. They used signing statements to circumvent the rule of law by taking a position that the President AND his agents were above the rule of law. Ergo we were in a de facto Dictatorship for eight years. Couple this with a failing economy and you indeed have the ground tilled for a dictatorship.

I appreciate your clarity and thoughtful posts.

Iflyfish

edited for atrocious spelling, poor paragraph construction and run ons.

sourdough - 3-14-2009 at 02:57 PM

Very well stated! I agree with you completely. I have a new hero.

Iflyfish - 3-14-2009 at 03:10 PM

sourdough,

I like oldlady too. However be careful she does warn us appropriatly of hero worship.

Iflyfish

Bajahowodd - 3-14-2009 at 03:11 PM

Should not someone be punished for those acts?

Skeet/Loreto - 3-14-2009 at 04:00 PM

Fly fish :
I completely disagree with the last paragraft. The War is to try and stop the Muslims from killing all of the Infidels. Why cannot you understand this??

At least he had the Balls to make the decsions, he did not have to get a head in the Whitehouse and then go on TV and Lie to the American People, Shhh, What a Dummy!

If you were my Friend and someone told me you were going to be killed, I would help my Friend and get the Information to try to prevent you getting Axed.Including Waterboarding..


But I cannot depend on you as my friend to try to save my Life.

Iflyfish - 3-14-2009 at 04:07 PM

Skeet:

"The War is to try and stop the Muslims from killing all of the Infidels. Why cannot you understand this??"


The fundamentalist Muslims are in a minority and thank god that the fundamentalists in our own land are now in a minority also. We may now be able to find common ground if they know we are not going to hit them back first; or kill them back first.

Iflyfish

Bajahowodd - 3-14-2009 at 04:44 PM

Fundamentalists of most religions have an inner resolve to change the lives of those who do not agree with them. Whether Muslim, Catholic, Baptist or Jehovah's Witnesses, the foundations of what they are taught drives them to engage with others for the purpose of recruiting them to the same belief. In the case of Muslim fundamentalists, there is a much shorter fuse. But in all cases, it's a matter of WE KNOW, and YOU DON'T.

I have to give props to the Catholics. At least they are consistent. they are both pro-life and anti-death penalty.

Skeet/Loreto - 3-14-2009 at 04:56 PM

wodd:
Have you noticed that I, Skeet/Loreto have been accused of bing Religious, but I have never tried to change anyones belief. Wonder Why?

Basic difference with the Muslims is that they teach their youngsters to strap bombs and go out and kill other People.

Flyfish.?? "Common Ground""?? you have got to be kidding. I wonder what you woyud think and say about 'Common Ground" during Hilters time, or common Ground during the Korean War, or Nam.

You are equating Viloence of the Muslims with Baptists?
Where did you go to School? Iran?? Who taught you such ??

TacoFeliz - 3-14-2009 at 05:46 PM

Enough. This thread has become a waste of bandwidth.

805gregg - 3-14-2009 at 07:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by oldlady
It's so nice to have a man around the house...

Telling them anything is probably a waste of time....but I think I fear a world without 'em. [/quote

That's nice of you to say so!

dianaji - 3-14-2009 at 10:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by TacoFeliz
Enough. This thread has become a waste of bandwidth.


and also a waste of goodwill towards one another...a battle of who's right.

Bajahowodd - 3-14-2009 at 10:59 PM

Skeet. Being religious is not necessarily being a fundamentalist. IMHO, everyone should be entitled to pursue their religion of choice, or no religion. Just don't proselytize.

tigerdog - 3-15-2009 at 03:53 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Texas just announce that 'We do not need the Govt. handout for unemployment."

The true needy are being taken care of in this country; Just ask a few--Not the Druggies nor the people who pull the Workmans Comp. Injury deal with the Employer doing the Paying.


Report: Texas has more homeless kids

07:01 AM CDT on Tuesday, March 10, 2009

By KIM HORNER / The Dallas Morning News
khorner@dallasnews.com

More children are homeless or at risk of becoming homeless in Texas than in any other state, according to a report released today.

The study by the National Center on Family Homelessness in Newton Centre, Mass., ranks Texas at the bottom of a state-by-state report card on child homelessness.

Texas had 337,105 homeless children as of 2006, including Hurricane Katrina evacuees, according to the report.

Ellen Bassuk, president of the National Center on Family Homelessness, said Texas lacks long-term planning to aid them. [...]

The report did not indicate how North Texas by itself shapes up on child homelessness.

But local experts say the numbers have risen because of the economy. A 2008 count found that there were 1,273 homeless children on any given night in Dallas County, and officials expect that figure to rise due to job losses and foreclosures.

Area schools already have reported dramatic increases in the number of homeless students.

"Women and children are the fastest growing population of homeless nationally and in the Dallas area," said Mike Faenza, president and chief executive officer of the Metro Dallas Homeless Alliance. He said the agency has a subcommittee working on a plan to address the issue.

Read more in the Dallas News at http://tinyurl.com/aaqyo3

And since this discussion has devolved into name calling and a lack of civility, this is my last comment on this subject. I'm off to look at pretty pictures of Baja.

So much Mexico, so little time...

dianaji - 3-15-2009 at 10:27 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by tigerdog

And since this discussion has devolved into name calling and a lack of civility, this is my last comment on this subject. I'm off to look at pretty pictures of Baja.

So much Mexico, so little time...


hallelujah and amen! enjoy the pics.

toneart - 3-15-2009 at 10:47 AM

It's futile! I got nuttin no more. I goin' away now. But I FEAR this is not yet the end of this string, or the world. :smug:

Bajahowodd - 3-15-2009 at 04:26 PM

I'm getting your point, Taco.

You have GOT to be kidding, Skeet !

djh - 3-15-2009 at 05:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
I have never tried to change anyones belief.


That is just plain funny, amigo !

I am so glad that I checked back in to see where this lengthy post has gone.... I got a real chuckle out of that :lol:

peace, love, and fishy talkos !

Skeet/Loreto - 3-15-2009 at 05:23 PM

djh; Please post any of my old Posts that i have tried to change anyones mind about Religion!!

I have eraged all of those who smoked Dope or take Coke/Meth not to do so as it will kill them someday, the same as drinking too much Tequilla and driving .

Some of the past preachers in this ****ry have used the :Fear of God" to try to bring people into their group so that they can make money.


Just like the Sierra Club who uses Fear to bring in Donations.

I Preach
Self-Worth
Honesty
Respect
Honor
Character
Faith
Hope
Chairty


Com om do not "Fear" Get out see what is happening around you, go to different States, Talk to People keep you eyes and ears open. Forget about the internet and the TV and the New york Times.>>

There is lots to learn out there in the Real World.

Bajahowodd - 3-15-2009 at 05:24 PM

Uncle!

CaboRon - 3-15-2009 at 05:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
djh; Please post any of my old Posts that i have tried to change anyones mind about Religion!!

I have eraged all of those who smoked Dope or take Coke/Meth not to do so as it will kill them someday, the same as drinking too much Tequilla and driving .

Some of the past preachers in this ****ry have used the :Fear of God" to try to bring people into their group so that they can make money.


Just like the Sierra Club who uses Fear to bring in Donations.

I Preach
Self-Worth
Honesty
Respect
Honor
Character
Faith
Hope
Chairty


Com om do not "Fear" Get out see what is happening around you, go to different States, Talk to People keep you eyes and ears open. Forget about the internet and the TV and the New york Times.>>

There is lots to learn out there in the Real World.


All you do is preach , you old burro :lol::lol::lol:

You are useing this forum to preach and it is not appreciated ....

Especially when it is ...

In fact all I hear from your pie hole is a bunch of judgemental , christian and right wing dogma .....

You are a joke :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:




[Edited on 3-16-2009 by CaboRon]

Bajahowodd - 3-15-2009 at 10:59 PM

Skeets make a valid point. There are way too many "preachers" out there, especially the TV kind who have used their pulpit to greatly enrich themselves. Salvation and/ or peace of mind should NOT enrich someone else financially.

how full is your glass?

nancyinpdx - 3-15-2009 at 11:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BajaNuts
For Every Negative News Item You See, Ask Yourself, Is The Glass Half Empty Or Is The Glass Half Full?



when something legitimately bad happens, is it the end, or the door of opportunity to bigger, better things?

(Please don't think about bringing in natural disasters....I'm talking man-made situations)


My cousin said he saw it as half full with a crack in it!

Sharksbaja - 3-15-2009 at 11:28 PM

" Forget about the internet "

Then how could I get your sermon?

OK then...

djh - 3-16-2009 at 07:22 AM

Quote:


Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
djh; Please post any of my old Posts that i have tried to change anyones mind about Religion!!

I Preach


enough said ? :light:

Bajahowodd - 3-16-2009 at 10:24 AM

Pompano, doesn't your satelittle carry al jazeera?:bounce:

Skeet/Loreto - 3-16-2009 at 11:04 AM

djh:

I Preach about Life- Not Religion- Where did you go to School??

Skeet/Loreto - 3-16-2009 at 11:10 AM

Oh! I see that Poor Baby "Cabo " is crying again.
My Right Wing Preaching has hurt his Feelings"Poor Baby".

So . . .

djh - 3-16-2009 at 07:06 PM

Your in your 70's . . . ?

A few honest questions... To either think about, or to simply evade by throwing more spume and insult.

Is it time to grow up a bit.... and stop calling names and shouting insults and then running and hiding in the mommy's-skirt of your absolute self righteousness....??

Have you always been so perfect ~ or does a late in life conversion give you the right to judge, blame, fault, and accuse everyone else who either may not agree with your "beliefs" or who is on the same path that you were some 30 or 40 years ago??

Do you know . . . . is there acutally more to your reputation & history than you quite self righteously profess here while you point the finger at others...??

Our Nomads motto is "Peace, Love, and Fish Tacos" . . and YOUR bible says "God is Love" but . . I don't feel much love from you, amigo.

This thread is about fear....

One thing that I would offer ~ which we ALL can be aware of in this evolving world (fear, knowledge, preparation... whatever you choose) is the possibility that individuals or groups who perscribe to absolutist thinking and beiliefs acquire the weaponry that enables them to commit massive destruction against those who do not subscribe to their absolute "truths"... 911 was a sample of this scenario..

Extremist, fundamentalist-absolutist, self-righteousness is something that I "fear" far more than anything that could happen to me in Mexico ~ from ANY sector !

"Plays well with others" ? ? ? Someting to ponder!

DENNIS - 3-16-2009 at 07:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by djh
Your in your 70's . . . ?

A few honest questions... To either think about, or to simply evade by throwing more spume and insult.

Is it time to grow up a bit.... and stop calling names and shouting insults and then running and hiding in the mommy's-skirt of your absolute self righteousness....??

Have you always been so perfect ~ or does a late in life conversion give you the right to judge, blame, fault, and accuse everyone else who either may not agree with your "beliefs" or who is on the same path that you were some 30 or 40 years ago??

Do you know . . . . is there acutally more to your reputation & history than you quite self righteously profess here while you point the finger at others...??

Our Nomads motto is "Peace, Love, and Fish Tacos" . . and YOUR bible says "God is Love" but . . I don't feel much love from you, amigo.

This thread is about fear....

One thing that I would offer ~ which we ALL can be aware of in this evolving world (fear, knowledge, preparation... whatever you choose) is the possibility that individuals or groups who perscribe to absolutist thinking and beiliefs acquire the weaponry that enables them to commit massive destruction against those who do not subscribe to their absolute "truths"... 911 was a sample of this scenario..

Extremist, fundamentalist-absolutist, self-righteousness is something that I "fear" far more than anything that could happen to me in Mexico ~ from ANY sector !

"Plays well with others" ? ? ? Someting to ponder!



It's just Skeet being Skeet. Let it go.

djh - 3-16-2009 at 07:33 PM

BTW, I forgot to ask you:

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
I Preach

Self-Worth
Honesty
Respect
Honor
Character
Faith
Hope
Chairty



Self-Worth...? Do you mean your OWN self worth, or do you really belive that your insults add to anyone else's self-worth?

Honesty...? Can you be honest about your own history and mistakes?

Respect...? Is that what you show your fellow humans here, who may honestly disagree with you?

Honor....? Who do you honor by your self-righteousness and insults and name calling?

Character....? Well, ok, amigo, you ARE a character, and even though I'm bustin yer burro, I still like that about you ;)... you DO add COLOR here !

And... you asked (though I think it was intended as an insult, but to be fair....) Summa Cum Laude, M. Ed. U of Idaho . . . and idling at ABD. I worked hard to pay for my education and have worked my whole life to improve the lives of others...

BTW, Thanks, Dennis....

I know, and I don't take it personally, but I would like to at least help the "Preacher" be responsible for his words... like any self proclaimed christian conservative should be...

You know what's happened when so many self-righteous preachers have not been responsible for their words and actions... Many have been bilked, robbed, manipulated, lied to, used, and abused by them...

oxxo - 3-16-2009 at 08:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Where did you go to School??


Berkeley!:P

Bajahowodd - 3-16-2009 at 11:26 PM

Gee. Isn't that John Woo's home campus?? Go figure.

simple living

nancyinpdx - 3-17-2009 at 02:21 AM

Baja Gringo, I really like your post.

Helping others is how I want to spend my later years. I wanna do it in Mexico, God willing.

My fave place on the whole planet is Oaxaca, and my dream for years was to move to and help the poor ppl of Oaxaca, but I have a feeling God may send me to TJ first- for a while, at least. It's not one of my fave places, but I feel I may be needed more there. I'd prefer TJ than Him sending me to Somalia, Iraq, Iran, Sudan, etc.!


Quote:
Originally posted by BajaGringo
I find it slightly disturbing how much some of you seem to value your monetary wealth obtained in life over all else on this planet. When I reach the end of my days and measure my worth as a man I pray that it will be much more than just the money in my bank accounts, stock portfolio or real estate. I strongly believe there was a lesson God wanted to make to us when he sent His Son to be born to a poor family, live a simple life of a carpenter and who dedicated His life to helping others first and above all else. I guess he would be labled a "LOSER" by some of you that have posted here.

I sense that has a lot to do with what divides us on this issue and it saddens me greatly...



[Edited on 3-12-2009 by BajaGringo]


[Edited on 3-18-2009 by nancyinpdx]

CaboRon - 3-17-2009 at 05:30 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
djh:

I Preach about Life- Not Religion- Where did you go to School??


You preach about religion , not about life .... :lol::lol:

Take your judgemental crap and crawl back into your hole :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

oldlady - 3-17-2009 at 05:42 AM

He doesn't like crowds...there are too many of us, you and I for example already in it.

NOW A BRIEF DEBAUCHERY INTERLUDE BROUGHT TO YOU FROM TIJUANA NORTE

ELINVESTIG8R - 3-17-2009 at 06:29 AM


Skeet/Loreto - 3-17-2009 at 06:38 AM

My Name Calling:

Weak-minded??
Drug Addict??
DOPE Smoker??
Liberal Nut?
Cry Baby??
Whiner?

FEAR! FEAR! FEAR!~

Why are some of you so afraid of Religion/or its Teachings??

Does it hurt your heart, tickle your Brain, to think that someone else "
Thinks" different than You?


Thanks again Jesse on this Thread, it was interesting, but once again goes into the "Lets Jump on old Skeet cause he beleives in a Supreme Being. Romp>

Nah , Skeet, it's just yur style .

beercan - 3-17-2009 at 06:43 AM

Nine principles and twelve values

The nine principles + the 12 values

* Honesty
* Reverence
* Hope
* Thrift
* Humility
* Charity
* Sincerity
* Moderation
* Hard Work
* Courage
* Personal Responsibility
* Gratitude

1. America is good.

2. I believe in God and He is the Center of my Life.

3. I must always try to be a more honest person than I was yesterday.

4. The family is sacred. My spouse and I are the ultimate authority, not the government.

5. If you break the law you pay the penalty. Justice is blind and no one is above it.

6. I have a right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, but there is no guarantee of equal results.

7. I work hard for what I have and I will share it with who I want to. Government cannot force me to be charitable.

8. It is not un-American for me to disagree with authority or to share my personal opinion.

9. The government works for me. I do not answer to them, they answer to me.

You Are Not Alone

dianaji - 3-17-2009 at 07:38 AM

this thread will continue for eternity...as long as people participate, and imo, it lowers the vibration of this forum, full of attack, insults, defensiveness. staying on this thread is like watching jerry springer...when i catch myself listing to him on tv, i ask myself, "what am i thinking, why am i here"...so i turn it off.

there are other threads that are very sweet, for example, "Hot Young Chicks" and "Thoughts on Baja." check them out! no name calling, just sweet talk and beautiful scenery.

my last words, back to pretty pictures and positive words. nuff said

CaboRon - 3-17-2009 at 08:32 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by dianaji
this thread will continue for eternity...as long as people participate, and imo, it lowers the vibration of this forum, full of attack, insults, defensiveness. staying on this thread is like watching jerry springer...when i catch myself listing to him on tv, i ask myself, "what am i thinking, why am i here"...so i turn it off.

there are other threads that are very sweet, for example, "Hot Young Chicks" and "Thoughts on Baja." check them out! no name calling, just sweet talk and beautiful scenery.

my last words, back to pretty pictures and positive words. nuff said


Sounds like an idea whose time has come




[Edited on 3-17-2009 by CaboRon]

Skeet/Loreto - 3-17-2009 at 10:35 AM

dianji:
Is it not great that in this Great USA, we have the Choice to live and watch those things that are Good , Bad, or indifferent??

Beercan said it All!!

Skeet

He ain't heavy he's my brother that Skeet is! So mote it be!

ELINVESTIG8R - 3-17-2009 at 10:52 AM



[Edited on 3-17-2009 by ELINVESTI8]

Skeet/Loreto - 3-17-2009 at 03:11 PM

So Mote it Be!

David K - 3-17-2009 at 04:54 PM

Wondering what the Masonic symbolism is all about here, David?

Bajahowodd - 3-17-2009 at 04:56 PM

Hmmmm. Stay tuned.:yes:

ELINVESTIG8R - 3-17-2009 at 05:09 PM

David K Just letting Skeet know he is not alone.

mtgoat666 - 3-17-2009 at 05:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by beercan
Nine principles and twelve values

The nine principles + the 12 values

blah, blah, blah (nonsense edited for brevity)

You Are Not Alone


tincan, what is up with the "you are not alone" creed? Are you referring to Big Brother or space aliens?

Bajahowodd - 3-17-2009 at 11:43 PM

Scientology?

The 'center of your life' disagrees:

Dave - 3-18-2009 at 02:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by beercan

2. I believe in God and He is the Center of my Life.

7. I work hard for what I have and I will share it with who I want to.





...sell whatever you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, take up the cross, and follow Me." [Mark 10:17-21].

"And whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two. Give to him who asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away" [Matthew 5:41-42].

Iflyfish - 3-18-2009 at 04:23 PM

Dave,

I am certain that the gifts that Skeet is giving to the tent cities in Texas will be greatly appreciated. We should all be so generous.

Iflyfish

805gregg - 3-18-2009 at 06:54 PM

Anyone read "The God Delusion" by Dawkins?

Bajahowodd - 3-18-2009 at 11:21 PM

I gotta have a shower.

DanO - 3-19-2009 at 12:43 AM

Quote:
7. I work hard for what I have and I will share it with who I want to. Government cannot force me to be charitable.


The government isn't forcing you to be charitable to anyone other than AIG. Get a clue.

DanO - 3-19-2009 at 12:50 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666
Quote:
Originally posted by beercan
Nine principles and twelve values

The nine principles + the 12 values

blah, blah, blah (nonsense edited for brevity)

You Are Not Alone


tincan, what is up with the "you are not alone" creed? Are you referring to Big Brother or space aliens?


Not even. He's quoting Glenn Beck. Ratings wars have apparently captured another unsuspecting consumer. Tincan, don't be suckered in, bro. Your true friends are here, regardless of politics. None of us are selling ad space or their next book (except for Bernie).

Hook - 3-19-2009 at 05:50 AM

Just a few more posts and this one will be top 5 all-time at Nomads.

And the first one in the top five that largely has NOTHING to do with Baja, at this point.

DENNIS - 3-19-2009 at 05:57 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hook
Just a few more posts and this one will be top 5 all-time at Nomads.



Proving once again that the monologue, people talking just to hear themselves talk, is the mainstay activity on BajaNomad.

Hook - 3-19-2009 at 06:05 AM

I hope we dont jinx it, Dennis. This could stand as a landmark of excess, if it makes the top 5.

Not that there wasn't some good discussion in here, mind you...............

DENNIS - 3-19-2009 at 06:12 AM

43 more.....

Pompano - 3-19-2009 at 06:51 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by Hook
Just a few more posts and this one will be top 5 all-time at Nomads.



Proving once again that the monologue, people talking just to hear themselves talk, is the mainstay activity on BajaNomad.


A trueism for sure, Dennis. Which reminded me of...

Some old Dame (Dame Rebbeca West)once said this:

"There is no such thing as conversation. It is all an illusion. There are intersecting monologues, that is all."

Skeet/Loreto - 3-19-2009 at 06:56 AM

Flyfish:

Was in Houston and Dallas this past 2 days -- No TENT Cities!
Found out the report of 1200 odd Homeless kids included many from the Storms and it is good to report all but two are well taken care of>

No Tent Cities in Texas; have a contact who thinks there may be one in Sacramento Calif. Awaiting Photos.

Here in Amarillo we have many Jobs for People including the Homeless who stand at 6^th St. every morning and all the job s are taken before noon.

Will post the Photo of the Tent City in Sacto when it is received.

Skeet

DENNIS - 3-19-2009 at 06:59 AM

Ol' Rebbeca was right on with her observation, Roger.

Maybe Doug should install the "Intimate Discussions" forum.

40....

[Edited on 3-19-2009 by DENNIS]

5 Top Questions that men 'Fear' the most.

Pompano - 3-19-2009 at 07:34 AM

The 5 questions most feared by men are:
1...What are you thinking about?
2...Do you love me?
3...Do I look fat?
4...Do you think she is prettier than me?
5...What would you do if I died?

CaboRon - 3-19-2009 at 07:47 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by Hook
Just a few more posts and this one will be top 5 all-time at Nomads.



Proving once again that the monologue, people talking just to hear themselves talk, is the mainstay activity on BajaNomad.



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