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wessongroup - 2-14-2010 at 02:36 PM

Hell this just caused an earthquake

caboclassof83 - 2-14-2010 at 02:41 PM

Suppose the northern third of the road is all washed out again like two weeks ago and I come in at Santa Rosalia and ride north to the first roadblock?

Do you guys have a big problem with that too?

Suppose that there's no gasoline at all by the time I get there?
Is it ok in that event then?

(I guess as long as you don't know that I walked right onto the first ferry, right?)

I'm really trying here guys, but YOU are the ones trying to get over for something that you are not legally entitled to in a foreign country, you are the problem.

If you even sprout enough balls, make sure that you don't go to Columbia with your rigs because they shut down the entire Bogota expressway system down for bikes every Sunday now.

http://www.streetfilms.org/ciclovia/

I bet you would just about pop a gasket if you drove up into the back of that event low on liquor that weekend?

Donjulio - 2-14-2010 at 03:01 PM

And lawyers wonder why they have a bad reputation.

wilderone - 2-14-2010 at 03:16 PM

"I'm really trying here guys, but YOU are the ones trying to get over for something that you are not legally entitled to in a foreign country, you are the problem."

This just about sums it up - ignorant a____ole. What kind of bike do you ride? What color is your shiny, spandex bike outfit? I'll keep an eye out for you on Mex. 1. heh, heh

caboclassof83 - 2-14-2010 at 03:16 PM

Oh by the way that Doctor got five years and lost his medical and drivers license forever.

So the ***** still got off easy.....

[Edited on 2-16-2010 by BajaNomad]

mtgoat666 - 2-14-2010 at 03:54 PM

caboclassof83:
you go girl!!
tell these overweight prigs what fools they are!

btw, it is pointless arguing bicycle rights with the marooons here, they are suburban pigs with bloated cars that match their bloated bellies.

wessongroup - 2-14-2010 at 04:12 PM

Very interesting, but not too funny... so I went back and re-read this thread.. Kind wondered if caboclassof83, might be someone in disguise... well, found number of things which were of note:

Before the thread went dead.. the only individual who was posting consistently for the counter argument, that being for bike rides having exactly the same rights as motorized vehicles regardless of any possible consideration on public safety... was mtgoat666

Certain abbreviations where used by mtgoat666 in the first go around prior to dropping the thread

"many nomads are irresponsible DWI drivers, so i imagine they have a ready supply of beer bottles in their oversized suvs and pickups. but i bet the retirees will miss as they throw bottles at mexican youth, the DWI bottle throwers mostly seem to be overweight couch potatoes, unlikely to have good aim"

and the same abbreviations were used in the second go around.. but this time by caboclassof83

"many nomads are irresponsible DWI drivers, so i imagine they have a ready supply of beer bottles in their oversized suvs and pickups. but i bet the retirees will miss as they throw bottles at mexican youth, the DWI bottle throwers mostly seem to be overweight couch potatoes, unlikely to have good aim"

Also noted was that the characteristics of the posts are very similar also.. Always attacking, insulting and rude and the arguments work from general to specific and then from specific to general.. A very effective means of argument.

I cannot prove that caboclassof83 is mtgoat666, but the similarities are quite striking, and as caboclassof83 is REALLY up to speed on the topic... it just make the possibility a bit more stronger.

Must agree with soulpatch.."I still adhere to the belief he is just a penis......and an unimpressive one at that! He definitely gets a few of you all's goats...... El es una pulga. Ignore it. And my horrible Spanish."

It's all good, and fun.. Thanks who ever you are for all your time... me I have to lay here... on a nice day, but you... why are you on the key board? I would much rather be outside enjoying things than doing this.. But, don't get me wrong.. If it were not for you.. It would get pretty boring without the sharp stick in the eye from you to get things boiling..

Would just offer, better hope your identity remains a secret... as some might want to talk a bit further with you, with out a key board in their way

mtgoat666 - 2-14-2010 at 04:16 PM

wesson, you are dreaming. this goat posts only as goat.

mulegemichael - 2-14-2010 at 04:16 PM

oh wow!....a guy that's defending the right of bicyclers to use a AT BEST two lane, putting everyone in danger trying to avoid hitting him when there's a big boy coming your way...i say he's a grease smear on a long arid road...i'm sure he'll be missed...seems like such a lamb

caboclassof83 - 2-14-2010 at 04:20 PM

Just some friendly "nomad" advice.....

All things being equal if you're some hung over Winebago ****** bag who probably can't pass a CDL eye test in either country any longer, who wouldn't come within two time zones of a road like Mex 1 anywhere else on earth too; but you still think that the whole world exists for your pleasure, then you would really be better off taking out a scruffy solo bike tourist.

Straight up!

Seriously, be careful if you just drove past a support vehicle with wheels on top on the way in. Especially if it had Mexican plates?

These solo guys tend to be from Europe or Australia and it could be weeks before anyone knows that they are missing. The one I met northbound was from Denmark and hadn't been home in two years, blew right through Mulege at dusk and didn't even stop for a candy bar. That's your man. See how worn out their stuff is? The lycra studs who don't get out of your way fast enough are the same ones that can get you in serious Code Napoleon trouble?

So class, lets review?

You are looking for dark tan but NOT Mexican-no sir! Never hit a Mexican no matter what he is riding, it's THEIR country after all.

You want light hair and really worn out clothes. Bike that's got some serious miles on it, spare spokes taped to the frame maybe even laundry drying on the back. Much heavier load than the supported people, lots more water on board too. That guy's coming up from Argentina or Central America at least. Sometimes they even have something on the bike that tells you what their home country is?

He came up all this way just to tick you off too, so let him have it!

I'm just saying that if you squish a cyclist who is being guided there by a commercial enterprise, especially one that's Mexican-based, they could quite easily sue you right into a cave.

Worse if they have friends in law enforcement, or if you are legally proven drunk I reckon? So everyone on the RV side of this dispute who NEVER once drove drunk on Mex 1 in a vehicle that he uses maybe six weeks a year please raise your hand?

You see there's a strong likelihood that people on flashy new equipment riding two abreast will fall into this commercially guided category. (And lets say that I'm no fan of the organizer in this case either but at least he's out there doing it for a living?)

http://www.tourbaja.com/mountain_biking_bicycling_baja_calif...

And since you are guilty until anything is proven at all down there, and it usually takes months, you just might have been better off slowing down and maybe being patient in the first place?

What's your rush anyway? Other people are using this road to make a living and they don't have these conniptions like you guys do?

Frankly if I were in your shoes and that scenario happened I would torch my rig way up a canyon somewhere and try to sneak out of the country just as quickly as possible? Plus never come back.

Someone who can't calm down and wait a minute on an empty road out in the biggest middle of nowhere in North America probably isn't going to last very long in a Mexican carcel either?

They don't have air conditioning or crushed ice at those places I hear?

But YMMV?

wessongroup - 2-14-2010 at 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mtgoat666
wesson, you are dreaming. this goat posts only as goat.

but, then who is "this" goat

caboclassof83 - 2-14-2010 at 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wessongroup

I cannot prove that caboclassof83 is mtgoat666, but the similarities are quite striking, and as caboclassof83 is REALLY up to speed on the topic... it just make the possibility a bit more stronger.

You don't seem to recognize the Uniform Vehicle Code when it slaps you right in the face either?

Do you think that "mtgoat666" knew that the Supervisor of the UNAM Observatory throughout the 1980s was Gorge Luis Aguilar? That they used to shut down the Tiajuana expressways for bike races back then for no more baksheesh than buying breakfast for the Chief of Police?

That I had De La Madrid's new expressway to Colima all to myself because they hadn't opened the tool booths yet?

Did one of you really blow a cork one year taking the road to Tecate on a lark? It's only the same weekend every year too, how dare they fill it up with cyclists?

But enough of that; I missed the most important point of all.

Listen up people!

Never hit a Mexican woman rider from one of these commercial tours. NEVER! She's likely the one using up the most of your God-given 11 foot wide lane too! Probably doesn't get to ride very much where she comes from?

What's more her husband certainly has money, maybe power too, and he may even be right around the corner? Bad juju all the way around, believe me!! If you see flashy new lycra and big old Aztec ta taas, someone who is not very straight going down the road then slow right TF down and try to sober up. God help you if she has children?

Swallow your righteous rage, wait until you can smoosh the solo guy from New Zealand out there in the biggest middle of nowhere in North America. You really don't want to find yourself there in front of a Mexican judge tap dancing around the former case. There are some things down there that you just can't bribe your way out of?

I'm not kidding here! Not in the least?

You'll seriously thank me if it ever comes down to it....and I'm probably doing Rocky Point to San Felipe next winter too. I have this thing for new roads.

wessongroup - 2-14-2010 at 05:01 PM

And this all has what to do with public safety?

after thought... see what I mean about the similarities.. attack and all over the place..

Yeah, it is you goat.. you sneaky guy you... good exercise or is this Doug, keeping the ball in the air? :lol:

[Edited on 2-15-2010 by wessongroup]

caboclassof83 - 2-14-2010 at 05:16 PM

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Originally posted by caboclassof83

(You low-life freeloaders never have to stop at highway scales anywhere either? Why is that?)

Anyone?

Buehler?

Say how's the resale value on those pigs?

wessongroup - 2-14-2010 at 05:19 PM

Can you tell us how many bike riders died on Mex 1 last year?

caboclassof83 - 2-14-2010 at 05:38 PM

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Originally posted by wessongroup
And this all has what to do with public safety?

[Edited on 2-15-2010 by wessongroup]

The only problem here is your belligerent incompetence.

Mexicans don't have a problem with cows, vados, cyclists, you name it. Not on highways that are 50 times as crowded as the Peninsular and not driving vehicles that are twice as heavy as yours.

What makes you so special then? Did you like buy the whole place when you crossed the border?

BTW I've been places in Latin America that would have you stooges ********** in technicolor too for what that is worth.

Mex One is not one of them no matter how senile, unfit and clueless you guys really are.

Not by a long shot.

Anywhere that you are too scared to go to, a transcontinental cyclist has already been there and probably 30 years ago.

You simply want the one place that you will go to all for yourselves and that's despicable, IMO.

The plunge into Santa Rosalia is no steeper than the Garden Wall section of Going to the Sun Road. Certainly no wider too. More exposed maybe, longer maybe too, but on the other hand your brakes are way more likely to overheat in Baja for sure.

They haven't allowed RVs up there in Glacier since the Airstream days. You can't even tow a pop-up trailer through there. Now that I think of it they aren't all that fond of them going over Independence Pass and that's a pretty benign road by Baja standards too.

Maybe you Winnebago clowns are just in way over your heads? And THAT'S the real problem here. Mex One road was meant for people who actually know how to drive and the stuff you drive didn't really exist yet when they built it too......

[Edited on 2-15-2010 by BajaNomad]

caboclassof83 - 2-14-2010 at 05:57 PM

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Originally posted by wessongroup
Can you tell us how many bike riders died on Mex 1 last year?

Less than the amount of drunken Winnebago ****** bags, that much is for sure.

In absolute numbers and by percentage of people who tried too.

Why is your claim to Mex One senior to mine? Neither of us are Mexican Citizens and the Mexicans themselves don't have a problem with me being there. Not in the least. (Because I've been places where they did, that's a horse of a different color.)

Besides, I was there first.

And this road is so far from actually being dangerous when you presumably have competent motorists and propperly speced out vehicles involved that it can't even dial there long distance. Just about everything south of Baton Rouge is worse, given that you are swimming when they run you off the road there. Just about anything going across the Appalachians is worse too.

They have a road on Cape Breton Island that's as sinuous and narrow as anything in Mexico, plenty of RV traffic too. You actually got tired of the politeness of the drivers there after a day or two.

You clowns are the problem- stick to Imperial Dam.

caboclassof83 - 2-14-2010 at 06:22 PM

This is dangerous.

http://www.ssqq.com/archive/vinlin27b.htm

Gringoes and Europeans ride bikes down it too.

Sinaloa is dangerous too, probably moreso now than then. (But there was plenty of Opium farming back then too; everyplace you went was like a Cabo Pulmo and you ate with your back to the wall.)

You could easily just disappear in Guerrero too, they had M-60s covering traffic circles from up on a scissor-jack when I was there in Acapulco. There was open rebellion in that state through the early 1980s. A military check point there was 20 soldiers locked and loaded and then the Officer told you about a piece of road up ahead where "we can't protect you there."
It was straight out of Apocalypse Now.

In Oaxaca a guy burned to death there in his truck, the other guy in the accident crawled bleeding into the mangroves, maybe he lived maybe he died and the law didn't get there for four more days. Same places that they go to in "Y Tu Mama Tambien."

Baja is a cakewalk by any standard and the road that you weenies are whining so hard about is essentially an Autobahn by comparison to this stuff. Whether you like it or not it's one of the most favorable cycling destinations out there once you figured out the water issue. North to south has a sweet tailwind in the spring and then the weather is perfect down at the tip too.

The bikes aren't going anywhere.

Maybe you are the ones who should stay where you belong instead?

caboclassof83 - 2-14-2010 at 06:41 PM

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Originally posted by lencho

How do you speak for Mexicans? Are you one? Know many? Speak Spanish?

--Larry

No, yes, and yes. I know some really rich ones who have ridden through the same places that I have too, they happen to think that you have your heads way up your asses as well.

Of course I've only said that I'm not an Mexican and neither are any of you RV slugs twice now. Is this the kind of attention span that you manifest driving that whale of yours down Baja too?

I slept in a place in Chiapas where nobody outside of two ancient families was supposed to be inside the city walls after dark. Good thing I was out of here at first light and didn't know about that 400 year old tradition until after lunch the next day?

From Play Azul southwards you didn't give the locals any guff at all because they were all carrying machetes, even the children. Nothing at all like that in Baja before they turned Cabo into a ********* and certainly not for 350 miles from end to end either..

On the boat crossing Lago Attitlan a Swiss expatriate took me out to the bow and quietly whispered that every published massacre story from that region was as true as the day is long. I didn't see a single Government official from there to the border and the road goes up over 3000 meters elevation too.

You are children with really big toys that you can't handle for ****, on a road where they really don't belong to begin with and in a nutshell that's the whole problem here.

If you knew how to drive and be respectful in a foreign country there wouldn't be any issue here at all.

[Edited on 2-15-2010 by BajaNomad]

LancairDriver - 2-14-2010 at 06:52 PM

This guy can't be for real- if he was he would have had his face sewn onto a soccer ball long ago. Might happen yet.

desertcpl - 2-14-2010 at 07:03 PM

WOW he is really into himself, guess all of us old farts should go and hide,,

ken

wessongroup - 2-14-2010 at 07:04 PM

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Originally posted by caboclassof83

Quote:

Originally posted by wessongroup
Can you tell us how many bike riders died on Mex 1 last year?

Once again goat your response is predictable.. attack.. without answering the question.

How many biycyclest were killed riding on Mex ! last year?

Seems a simple enough question to answer, as you profess an unusual amount of knowledge about cycling though out Central and South America

It would seem a good staring point for discussion purposes in any debate about something, if that is what you are attempting to accomplish, or is there a hidden motive.. as usual ........

Come on, it's easy.... just fill in the blank___________________________

Have made it large for all those how have may have been injured and/or killed on Mexican 1, and to reduce the amount of rambling .. go ahead just put the number in the blank..

Russ - 2-14-2010 at 07:11 PM

I'm not a big fan of motor homes on Mex.1 either but they do pump a lot of tourist dollars into the economy down here. You could say, if you wish, that their help to the areas they visit is proportionate to the rubber they put on the road compared to you crazy peddle jockeys.

[Edited on 2-15-2010 by Russ]

caboclassof83 - 2-14-2010 at 07:32 PM

I guess bicycles are the ones at fault here too?

Frank wrote:
Time to get these damn RVs off the road. You cannot drive a semi-truck without a special license and testing. Why are retired clowns allowed to drive these gas guzzling road hogging traffic delaying monstrosities on our narrow roads with a regular drivers license? Make them take interstates or hire an escort.

Right on! When will these retired ************ realize these RVs are like driving a bus.
Brake failed? Any bets on he was just driving too fast.

That road should be closed to RV's. They can't possible stay in their lanes while twisting and turning around the cliffs. They are such a menace.

I believe there are signs (at least in Marin) telling people not to drive rigs longer than a certain size upon Hwy 1.

"Claxton, his wife and another passenger were driving about a mile north of Fort Ross Sunday morning when an RV on a curve crossed into the path of their Lexus, reported the CHP."

That was my uncle.

brain malfunction more likely.
imagine making it to 79 and then having some schmuck in a 35 foot rv run you off the road?
hwy 1 ...... man! you got to be careful out there

[Edited on 2-15-2010 by BajaNomad]

wessongroup - 2-14-2010 at 07:45 PM

Question is still there goat 1 or 2... how many?

Oh, by the way.. someone got a picture of me leaving for a dental appointment.. see if your in the picture... :lol:

[Edited on 2-15-2010 by wessongroup]

ELINVESTIG8R - 2-14-2010 at 07:52 PM

For those of you who feel you have the right to ride your bicycles on those skinny Baja California highways may you rest in peace! Semi-Tractor Trailers and Motorhomes and rule the highway in La Baja! Bicycles stay home or move over!

[Edited on 2-15-2010 by ELINVESTIG8R]

BajaGringo - 2-14-2010 at 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wessongroup
Oh, by the way.. someone got a picture of me leaving for a dental appointment.. see if your in the picture... :lol:

Quote:

Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R

You guys are killing me...

:lol:

[Edited on 2-15-2010 by BajaGringo]

caboclassof83 - 2-14-2010 at 07:58 PM

Must have been a bicycle in the vicinity?

http://www.rversonline.org/ArtMexDrive.html

....The way I see it too many accidents occur between RV's and residents because the RV driver swerved, changed lanes, pulled out, or turned a corner without looking first. Méxican drivers seldom use turn signals themselves but they certainly understand their function. In México you must drive your RV in such a fashion that other drivers can predict your next move with some degree of certainty.

wessongroup - 2-14-2010 at 09:14 PM

How many bicycle riders were killed on Mex 1, last year?

RV's are not the topic of discussion, rather bicycle riders on Mex 1

caboclassof83 - 2-15-2010 at 07:58 AM

So how come they never found the Cyclist who certainly must have caused this mishap?

Semmes Community Mourns Teen Death

Chad Petri
Violet Deas is one of the many people living in this Semmes neighborhood on McCrary road in shock after yesterday’s accident.

” He was a 16-year-old kid, it just breaks my heart,” says Violet. “It's hard for me to handle.” David Velez was walking with a friend yesterday afternoon when he was hit by a motor home. 68-year-old Burnice Dredings Jr. was behind the wheel. He hasn’t been charged yet, but state troopers say alcohol may have been involved.

Donald Davenport was with his son in the front yard yesterday afternoon. They were picking up sticks as he watched the whole thing happen.

“They were off the road in the other driveway,” says Davenport. “Maybe a foot or so and the van swerved over and struck the young boy.” Davenport says he rushed his son inside and then tried to help the young men. David was flown to USA medical center and later pronounced dead. The friend who was walking with him was in shock.

caboclassof83 - 2-15-2010 at 08:10 AM

And what are you going to do about it?

Seriously?

Does it all end with your fun time on this Message Board?

Or do you really try to get the Mexican Government to trash the Uniform Vehicle Code on the least busy major highway in the entire Republic.

Because when you get on the Mainland and the towns are closer together, the arterial roads are plumb full of bikes. And horses and carts and mothers walking with their children.

I'm just dying to see how you pull that off for a bunch of selfish ******bags who mostly don't even own any land down there?

Better tread lightly there gramps.

Somebody might just end lining all you guys up in front of a Spanish eye chart for your trouble?

We know that you'll probably get the letter "X" right because they have a halfway famous beer with that letter in it, but "H" and "J" and "I" and "Z" might throw you for a loop even if you actually can see them up there on the wall?

Ditto for "e iglesia" and "e latina."

Paula - 2-15-2010 at 09:20 AM

"The plunge into Santa Rosalia is no steeper than the Garden Wall section of Going to the Sun Road. Certainly no wider too. More exposed maybe, longer maybe too, but on the other hand your brakes are way more likely to overheat in Baja for sure.

They haven't allowed RVs up there in Glacier since the Airstream days. You can't even tow a pop-up trailer through there. Now that I think of it they aren't all that fond of them going over Independence Pass and that's a pretty benign road by Baja standards too."

--- Caboclassof83

There are width and length restrictions on vehicles traveling Going-to-the-Sun Highway. Bicycles are not allowed at all during peak driving hours-- between 11am and 4pm.

ELINVESTIG8R - 2-15-2010 at 09:39 AM

wessongroup - 2-15-2010 at 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by caboclassof83
And what are you going to do about it?

Seriously?

Does it all end with your fun time on this Message Board?

Or do you really try to get the Mexican Government to trash the Uniform Vehicle Code on the least busy major highway in the entire Republic.

Because when you get on the Mainland and the towns are closer together, the arterial roads are plumb full of bikes. And horses and carts and mothers walking with their children.

I'm just dying to see how you pull that off for a bunch of selfish ******bags who mostly don't even own any land down there?

Better tread lightly there gramps.

Somebody might just end lining all you guys up in front of a Spanish eye chart for your trouble?

We know that you'll probably get the letter "X" right because they have a halfway famous beer with that letter in it, but "H" and "J" and "I" and "Z" might throw you for a loop even if you actually can see them up there on the wall?

Ditto for "e iglesia" and "e latina."

How many bicycle riders were killed on Mex 1, last year?

RV's are not the topic of discussion, rather bicycle riders on Mex 1

caboclassof83 - 2-15-2010 at 10:08 AM

Looks like the rogue cyclist who cause this mess got away scott free?

And the alchoholic piece of chit driving a vehicle he is grossly unqualified to operate gets portrayed as the victim once again too?

Must really chap your hide?

Maybe the Mexican Government should shut down a 1000 mile long highway to make you dudes feel more comfortable.

http://www.personalinjurieslawyerblog.com/drunk-driving-acci...

Los Angeles DUI Car Accident Involving RV Causes Injuries
Posted on 7 Jan 2010 - by Bob In: Drunk Driving Accident

One person was injured in a Los Angeles car accident when a RV went out-of-control and struck at least four vehicles on a Burbank Street, according to an Associated Press news report. The accident occurred the night of January 5, 2010 when the driver of the RV, who was heading west on Riverside Drive, made a wide right turn onto Buena Vista Street. The RV first struck a car that was stopped in traffic. The RV then struck a second vehicle causing it to overturn. Two more cars were also struck before the RV came to a stop. The driver of the vehicle that flipped sustained injuries, which were not life-threatening. The driver of the RV is suspected of driving under the influence.

It's indeed fortunate that no one was seriously injured in this multi-vehicle accident. I wish the injured victim here, the best for a quick and complete recovery.

Packoderm - 2-15-2010 at 10:10 AM

Does anybody have any stats on tourist bicyclists killed or the cause of motorists killed on Highway 1 in Baja? I'm not so much interested in sanctioned race accidents. Could it be something that we're afraid of happening even though it never has - like the myth of people putting drugs in trick-o-treaters' candy? Even though it has never occurred, we freak out about it.

caboclassof83 - 2-15-2010 at 10:37 AM

I very much doubt that there is any sanctioned racing at all in Baja of late. It was heavily focused on the Northern Baja Area when it did exist and relied on San Diego based USCF riders to fill out the fields. I don't see how it could have survived the 2 hour waits crossing the border, let alone the subsequent drug war operiod?

The main organizer lived in TJ and operated a bike ship in Imperial Beach; he's almost certainly retired by now.

I participared in two events, one from downdown Ensenada to the Bufadora and back and another doing a ring around TJ then Rosarito out to Presa Rodriguez back past the Airport and ending up in front of the Jai-Lai fronton.

When the guys from Mexicali showed up with elbow pads you knew that you were in for a special flavor of competition, fortunately we dropped them pretty quickly. But nobody got hurt in these two cases and point to point racing of this nature was already an endangered species in California by then too.

The TJ event that year was won by a current Olympic track cycling medalist.

Sponsored recreational rides in the year 2010 are a whole other animal and even in places like Colorado, Ohio, and Iowa I avoid them like the plague. Paying $150 to have my health endangered by other cyclists is not my cup of tea.

I actually empathize with motorists who get stuck behind these wanker fests.

wessongroup - 2-15-2010 at 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by caboclassof83
Looks like the rogue cyclist who cause this mess got away scott free?

And the alchoholic piece of chit driving a vehicle he is grossly unqualified to operate gets portrayed as the victim once again too?

Must really chap your hide?

Maybe the Mexican Government should shut down a 1000 mile long highway to make you dudes feel more comfortable.

http://www.personalinjurieslawyerblog.com/drunk-driving-acci...

Los Angeles DUI Car Accident Involving RV Causes Injuries
Posted on 7 Jan 2010 - by Bob In: Drunk Driving Accident

One person was injured in a Los Angeles car accident when a RV went out-of-control and struck at least four vehicles on a Burbank Street, according to an Associated Press news report. The accident occurred the night of January 5, 2010 when the driver of the RV, who was heading west on Riverside Drive, made a wide right turn onto Buena Vista Street. The RV first struck a car that was stopped in traffic. The RV then struck a second vehicle causing it to overturn. Two more cars were also struck before the RV came to a stop. The driver of the vehicle that flipped sustained injuries, which were not life-threatening. The driver of the RV is suspected of driving under the influence.

It's indeed fortunate that no one was seriously injured in this multi-vehicle accident. I wish the injured victim here, the best for a quick and complete recovery.

How many bicycle riders were killed on Mex 1, last year?

RV's are not the topic of discussion, rather bicycle riders on Mex 1

wessongroup - 2-15-2010 at 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by caboclassof83
I very much doubt that there is any sanctioned racing at all in Baja of late. It was heavily focused on the Northern Baja Area when it did exist and relied on San Diego based USCF riders to fill out the fields. I don't see how it could have survived the 2 hour waits crossing the border, let alone the subsequent drug war operiod?

The main organizer lived in TJ and operated a bike ship in Imperial Beach; he's almost certainly retired by now.

I participared in two events, one from downdown Ensenada to the Bufadora and back and another doing a ring around TJ then Rosarito out to Presa Rodriguez back past the Airport and ending up in front of the Jai-Lai fronton.

When the guys from Mexicali showed up with elbow pads you knew that you were in for a special flavor of competition, fortunately we dropped them pretty quickly. But nobody got hurt in these two cases and point to point racing of this nature was already an endangered species in California by then too.

The TJ event that year was won by a current Olympic track cycling medalist.

Sponsored recreational rides in the year 2010 are a whole other animal and even in places like Colorado, Ohio, and Iowa I avoid them like the plague. Paying $150 to have my health endangered by other cyclists is not my cup of tea.

I actually empathize with motorists who get stuck behind these wanker fests.

How many bicycle riders were killed on Mex 1, last year?

RV's are not the topic of discussion, rather bicycle riders on Mex 1

mtgoat666 - 2-15-2010 at 11:17 AM

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Originally posted by wessongroup

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How many bicycle riders were killed on Mex 1, last year?

RV's are not the topic of discussion, rather bicycle riders on Mex 1

the problem appears to be old people with too big vehicles, driving too fast, and annoyed at bikes, because they no longer have reflexes necessary to slow down when they encounter a bike rider on the road. the problem is pig-headed people driving too fast.

wesson,
is it alzheimers that has you repeating your question? or is it the rocks in your head?

Packoderm - 2-15-2010 at 11:38 AM

Nobody is answering his question -that's why he's repeating it. I only re-asked his same question. How many bicycle tourists were killed on the stretches of Highway 1? Maybe it isn't so unsafe, but many are so unbrave. The vast majority of bicycles I've seen have been Mexican locals.

BajaGringo - 2-15-2010 at 11:42 AM

I do see folks riding on bicycles riding down the Highway on occasion. It is always easy to figure out which ones are the locals and which ones hail from somewhere else than Mexico.

The locals always pull over / off the road and let the larger / faster moving traffic pass. Really don't understand why that is a concept that enrages some folks...

:rolleyes:

wessongroup - 2-15-2010 at 11:49 AM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666

Quote:

Originally posted by wessongroup

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How many bicycle riders were killed on Mex 1, last year?

RV's are not the topic of discussion, rather bicycle riders on Mex 1

No goat 1, rather the failure to respond to the question, which is the foundation of the thread.. Risks to all individuals from cyclist riding on Mex 1.. Which would appear to be a public safety issue.... oh, and thanks for my health.. hope your doing well this morning.. wait a moment .. had to get a small pebble from my auditory canal.. that better.. ok where were we.. oh, yes..

I would seem reasonable to determine first if there are any injuryies and/or death(s) which could be attributed to cyclists riding on the Mexican Federal Highway 1.. I think that is what it is called.

So, the question remains: How many bicycle riders were killed on Mex 1, last year?

RV's are not the topic of discussion, rather bicycle riders on Mex 1

Here is the blank for you and/or goat 2 ______________________

ELINVESTIG8R - 2-15-2010 at 11:57 AM

BAJA SUR BICYCLE STUFF IN SPANISH

BAJA SUR BICYCLE STUFF IN SPANISH

wessongroup - 2-15-2010 at 12:09 PM

Not sure if the every six minutes someone is killed is for the entire Country, or World.. but, at least it is a number

caboclassof83 - 2-15-2010 at 12:10 PM

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Of course if I'm wrong about this then it's a certainty that the fields in surviving Northern Baja road races are doubtless much more "mexican" now than they were back then.

Whick brings us back to the central point of whether you selfish RV lardburroes think that are equally entitled to run Mexican riders right off the roads in their own county?

As opposed to American riders that is?

(Say whatever happened to "when in Rome, do as the Romans do" anyway?)

This in a sport that the Mexican Government has supported at a very high level at least since the early 1970s? Supporting a national team, sending them all over the world and organizing events in places where the roads are at least five times as dangerous as Mex One. The centerpiece stage race was the Vuelta de Chiapas right up until the roads were closed by the revolutionaries.

I've rented out properties to H1B Mexican nationals who are 25 years younger than this guy and every last one of them knew who he is.

http://www.sports-reference.com/olympics/athletes/al/raul-al...

He has some sort of highly exclusive "National Hero of Sport" credential in Mexico that I couldn't look up just now and was the only contestant to have ever defeated Miguel Indurain in a Tour de France Time Trial event over the course of six years.

And his big coming out party was the Tour of Baja in 1986 or 1987 for what that's worth.

caboclassof83 - 2-15-2010 at 12:24 PM

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There's more than one law firm up here where the roads are wide and straight who has figured this part out too.

http://www.wegerskilawfirm.com/PracticeAreas/Boating-other-R...

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mtgoat666 - 2-15-2010 at 12:41 PM

Health benefits of cycling outweigh the risks.

"The gain of 'life years' through improved fitness among regular cyclists, and thus their increased longevity exceeds the loss of 'life years' in cycle fatalities. (British Medical Association, 1992). An analysis based on the life expectancy of each cyclist killed in road accidents using actuarial data, and the increased longevity of those engaging in exercise regimes several times a week compared with those leading relatively sedentary lives, has shown that, even in the current cycle hostile environment, the benefits in terms of life years gained, outweigh life years lost in cycling fatalities by a factor of around 20 to 1." -- Mayer Hillman, Senior Fellow Emeritus, Policy Studies Institute, and British Medical Association researcher.

caboclassof83 - 2-15-2010 at 12:49 PM

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Originally posted by BajaGringo
I do see folks riding on bicycles riding down the Highway on occasion. It is always easy to figure out which ones are the locals and which ones hail from somewhere else than Mexico.

Oh really?

The CEO of Allis Chalmers Mexico rode Baja north to south with his family and Mil Cumbres before I had first met him. He was hot to ride Durango-Mazatlan after we got together too.

He was a fair skinned "elite" Mexican of French descent and the bikes he rode at the time cost twice as much as mine.

Unless you saw our respective bank accounts you couldn't have told the Mexican from the gringo at five feet.

When he wasn't doing stuff like this as a vacation he was riding daily in places near Tampico and Veracruz that make Mex One look as safe as a pre-school playground, sometimes with his chauffeur behind him. Places where it's no accident that I didn't ever go there when I could have lived on one of his estates for free.

(Boy I bet that would really raise your blood pressure coming up on his gang with the big old Mercedes behind it creeping along and you RV clowns seriously low on beer at the same time? At least you would have seen the Mexican plates I guess?)

Judging from the kind of mega-rich friends he had in Monterrey and the way that he rode up here in my country, I honestly don't think that he got right off any road for anyone down there in his own.

If any of you neanderthal idiots ever gets sideways with someone like this riding legally in his own county; you are in for a major league world of chit. He was on a first name basis with just about half the PRI in Nuevo Leon.

Be very careful about who might be included in the "flashy lycra" crowd that aparrently gets your depends all up in a bunch- you mess with someone like this and it could be three years before you even get up in front of a judge.

I actually heard of one RV ******-bag who did something like this to the mayors' nephew around Hermosillo in 1985 and I suspect that he didn't see the light of day again before 2000?

What part of "you are guests in THEIR country" do you have such a hard time understanding anyway?

josie - 2-15-2010 at 01:07 PM

OK, I just spent 20 minutes reading all the posts here. Got a few laughs along the way (I like the tasers!) and I suppose I will add my two cents worth. I have a bike in the garage and ride it down to the store or out with my grandson on occasion. I don't own or drive an RV. It strikes me that those defending the bikes rights to take up the highway here seem to be a very angry group for some reason. Maybe you should consider taking some anger management courses if riding a bike isn't getting rid of all that negative energy you seem to be carrying?

Getting out of the way of faster moving traffic on a two lane highway just seems like common sense and good courtesy, whether you are on a bike, burro or walking.

Leave all that pent up stress NOB.

DENNIS - 2-15-2010 at 01:10 PM

cabo83....your obsessive compulsive rant is getting old, tiresome and redundant. Why don't you go on over to Bloody Decks and tell everybody how to fish. I'm sure you're a well traveled expert on that too.

mtgoat666 - 2-15-2010 at 01:13 PM

josie:
the greatest rage was expressed by dennis,... i find it typical of certain types of drivers

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Originally posted by DENNIS
They do that here occasionally on the Bufadora road. The height of arrogant selfishness. It makes you want to develop road rage and grind them into the undercarriage of your car and I would if my insurance covered it.

[Edited on 2-15-2010 by mtgoat666]

DENNIS - 2-15-2010 at 01:19 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
the greatest rage was expressed by dennis,...

Well, thank you goat-scrotum. And all this time, I thought nobody noticed.

caboclassof83 - 2-15-2010 at 01:30 PM

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What part of "you are guests in THEIR country" do you have such a hard time understanding anyway?

The point I'm trying to convey here is that in the more populated areas of Mexico cyclists do enjoy full use of the road, much much more so than here in the good old USA. Just about everywhere but on the "cuotas" and if you are on a top team or else just filthy rich and well-connected enough it's not terribly unlikely to see them right there on the cuotas too. That's where the best shoulders are, after all. Many times the Team Sponsor demands it for the visibility.

They shut down the whole southbound side of the four lane going over the hill to Rosarito Beach for us and nobody even had to take out a permit to do it. On a Saturday morning no less.

When the native motorists have this kind of mentality
it actually becomes safer to ride a bike in Monterrey than in Pittsburg or Chicago by a long shot. Even though the roads are so much better up north.

By the way this is also true of Guatemala, Costa Rica and Ecuador and even you slugs would have known at the outset that all of Europe works that way too. (Of course 16 feet of length is a huge RV in the latter case; hey maybe you guys are the problem after all?)

The only place I ever saw in all of Mexico where bicyclists were expressly prohibited was the little cut-off in Jalisco where you turn back south again for Puerto Vallarta, right around Compostella. Which meant that we had to ride about fifteen miles out of our way.

The idea that this could ever happen in a place in Mexico where there is no other road available is absolutely ludicrous.

Seriously, you boobs might as well be demanding that Irishmen give up whiskey just for your own personal convenience?

It's their country and you are downright ignorant about how they do things in the huge part of Mexico that you haven't seen yet and frankly that's really all there is to it.

BajaGringo - 2-15-2010 at 01:37 PM

When they close off roads in populated areas there is usually several other options for traffic to get around it. Not an option for long stretches of Baja Hwy 1.

josie - 2-15-2010 at 01:54 PM

caboclass - I am a Mexican citizen and I assure you that 99.9% of Mexicans will tell you that you are dead (no pun intended) wrong on this. You can ramble on and on and on all you want but nothing you say will change that. Your attempt to speak for us is not even close to reality.

Packoderm - 2-15-2010 at 02:17 PM

Caboclass - all you have to do is state your opposition's opinion, and say you're stating it on the people of Mexico's behalf. Then they'll disagree with what you said but not with what's in your heart. :light:

caboclassof83 - 2-15-2010 at 02:23 PM

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Originally posted by josie
caboclass - I am a Mexican citizen and I assure you that 99.9% of Mexicans will tell you that you are dead (no pun intended) wrong on this. You can ramble on and on and on all you want but nothing you say will change that. Your attempt to speak for us is not even close to reality.

Carlos Slim disagrees with you.

http://www.vueltamexico.com.mx/vm/

And have you yourself ever been past the end of your driveway on a bike?

(I didn't think so?)

caboclassof83 - 2-15-2010 at 02:31 PM

Most of the roads on this map see more traffic in a single week than Mex One south of San Quentin sees in an entire year.

http://www.vueltamexico.com.mx/vm/etapas.html

And the event itself dates back to 30 years before the Baja Road was built too.

(There was nothing even remotely like this going on in North America that far back, except in Quebec.)

Vuelta Mexico Telmex
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Race details
Date Early March
Region Mexico, North America
Nickname(s) "Latin America's Grand Tour"
"Tour of the Americas"

Discipline Men's Stage Race
Competition UCI Pro Continental Teams
UCI Continental Teams

...The Mexico national tour has a rich history dating back to the 1940s [1], and this latest incarnation was revived in late 2008 and early 2009 as the condensed evolution of the Vueltas de las Americas, 21 day stage race, defunct from 2003[2]. This national tour is currently ranked 2.2, according to UCI race classifications, and is apart of the UCI America Tour. Title sponsorship is provided via CONADE (Comisión Nacional de Cultura Física y Deporte), as well as the Telmex Foundation [3], a philanthropic entity created by Telmex C.E.O., Carlos Slim. Additional sponsorship has been provided previously by BMW, Mercury, Coca Cola, NovoSportware, and Metalurgica Creativa.

While 2008 primarily featured non-UCI regional Mexican teams, with nine such squads, 2009 saw that number shrink to eight, of which Arenas and Canel's had been UCI the year prior and may not have renewed due to the poor global economy. More importantly 2009 featured, for the first time, two UCI Professional Continental Teams with Serramenti PVC Diquigiovanni, and Amica Chips. Also present in each of the first two editions are various North American national squads: 2008 saw the participation of the Guatemalan and Cuban national teams, and in 2009 the Cuban National Team returned along with first time appearances by national squads, USA and Mexico.

Timo1 - 2-15-2010 at 02:33 PM

Wonder if Carlos Slim would be crazy enough to bike down Mex 1

bajabound2005 - 2-15-2010 at 02:34 PM

Hey, Dennis! I waved at you both times as I rode my bike past your house this morning :yes:

caboclassof83 - 2-15-2010 at 02:38 PM

So make yourself useful instead of foolish (and probably running an RV Campground somewhere,) and tell me all about how the Uniform Vehicle Code will ever get thrown right out the window there on the least heavily traveled major road in the entire Republic?

In a culture like this?

http://velonews.competitor.com/2008/10/road/stage-2-vuelta-c...

Point to point road racing has fourished through out Latin America to a degree where countries like Chile and even Cuba had a more attractive schedule that the U.S.A. did until very recently.

caboclassof83 - 2-15-2010 at 02:51 PM

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Originally posted by Timo1
Wonder if Carlos Slim would be crazy enough to bike down Mex 1

Given the time of year there at least two dozen people doing it right now. That's from top to bottom or bottom to top all the way through.

Given the current situation at the border it's a very safe bet that no more than a third of them, tops, are U.S. Ciitizens and just as likely that half of them are well heeled Mexican nationals.

Maybe they should all petition their governent to get drunk foreigners who never once qualified to drive vehicles that size on a normal-sized road anywhere on earth removed instead?

http://blog.rv.net/2008/02/crashes-arent-accidents/

This week, I’m going to focus on the main causes of the crashes I attend. I go to an average of about 3 crashes every 12 hour shift. In poor weather, that number can quadruple easily.

#5) Not paying attention. Right up there at the top. There’s topics all over the forums about overweight this or overweight that. This is dangerous, that is dangerous. Let me tell you — I’d far rather be in a slightly overloaded rig than one driven by an inattentive driver. We’ve been driving for so long we forget to give it the respect and attention it deserves. We can cause a lot of damage to ourselves and others with our many multi-ton mechanical behemoths. An F250 can cause a lot more damage to a family than a shotgun, yet the shotgun gets far more respect in handling. It shouldn’t be that way. Driver distractions such as cell phones, text messaging (don’t get me started), new audio devices, GPS devices, have added more and more competition for drivers attention. Some drivers are buying in dash DVD players so they can watch movies while they drive (and yes that’s illegal).

#6) Disobeying traffic control devices and ignorance of the laws. I bet 50% of the drivers on the road do not know what to do if the power fails and the traffic lights aren’t functioning, or who has the right of way at a 4 way stop or at an uncontrolled intersection. Well, here are the answers. If the traffic lights stop functioning, that intersection should be treated like a 4 way stop with the person to the right having the right of way. Further to that, if two vehicles arrive at a 4 way stop at the same time, the driver to the right has the right of way — same as an uncontrolled intersection. Most people also seem to be unclear as to what an amber traffic light means. Some casual observing would likely lead you to believe it’s some kind of acceleration test signal, but it’s not. What it means in law is “stop if it is safe to do so” as the light will be turning red in a few seconds. Stop signs — as those seldom obeyed red octagons. You’d swear sometimes the text reads “STOPTIONAL” instead of “STOP”. Slowing down isn’t good enough. Lane control signs, directional signs, no turning here or there. They’re all there for a reason. Sometimes the reason may not be just for safety, often it is for efficiency of traffic flow. A left turn in a single lane of traffic may not in itself be a safety issue, but while you are waiting to turn left out of that single lane, cars are piling up behind you. Not allowing left turns keeps traffic flowing through.

#7) Driving while impaired. You’d figure we’d have this one licked by now, but alas, it still happens on a regular basis. One of our local newspaper columnists just got arrested for drunk driving a few days ago***. A professional, grown man, bright and articulate. Drinking and driving bridges all classes of society. It has no niche you can box it in and say, “those are the kind of people that drink and drive”. Don’t do it. Just don’t. I know that most of the people I arrest for DUI don’t plan for this to happen.

caboclassof83 - 2-15-2010 at 02:58 PM

I stand corrected!

It appears that at least one you once DID actually take a road test somewhere in the very same kind of vehicles you want to monopolize Mex One with!

We've even got the video?

http://www.videovat.com/videos/17462/bad-accident-atm-and-an-rv-just-don't-go-together!!.aspx

Boy do I feel stuipid now?

(But I still can't see how a cyclist would have caused this?)

josie - 2-15-2010 at 03:09 PM

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Originally posted by caboclassof83

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Carlos Slim disagrees with you.

http://www.vueltamexico.com.mx/vm/

If you use Carlos Slim to represent 99.9% of Mexico it demonstrates how really out of touch you are. You sound more and more like a lawyer.

k-rico - 2-15-2010 at 03:12 PM

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Originally posted by caboclassof83
if two vehicles arrive at a 4 way stop at the same time, the driver to the right has the right of way

well, finally something interesting...........

I have a question.

Who has the right of way if 4 vehicles arrive at a 4 way stop at the same time?

josie - 2-15-2010 at 03:15 PM

The big truck with bad brakes!

caboclassof83 - 2-15-2010 at 03:16 PM

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If you use Carlos Slim to represent 99.9% of Mexico it demonstrates how really out of touch you are. You sound more and more like a lawyer.

Where on earth do you get the idea that 99.9 percent iof Mexico drives motor vehicles twice as big as their own houses and never once took a road test to establish their competence?

That doesn't even happen in Missoiri?

http://forums.bajanomad.com/post.php?action=reply&fid=38...

RV Accidents
Many people take to Missouri and Illinois roads in motor homes, travel trailers, 5th wheels, and other recreational vehicles (RVs). Unfortunately, some of the people operating these vehicles are inexperienced drivers who present a danger to those in smaller cars and trucks.

In Missouri and Illinois, anyone with a class C license can drive any two-axle RV with a gross vehicle weight of 26,000 pounds or less and any three-axle vehicle weighing 6,000 pounds or less. Anyone with a class C license can also tow any trailer home or 5th wheel weighing less than 10,000 lbs.

While people who drive RVs are not required to obtain special driver training or licensing, they still do have a responsibility to drive safely. Large heavy vehicles handle differently than cars, take longer to stop, and have difficulty accelerating when going up hills. RV drivers need to be aware of what is going on around their vehicles at all times.

wessongroup - 2-15-2010 at 03:18 PM

Goat 2... appears that you have a thing for bicycles, good.. rather that then lead based paint or mold

josie - 2-15-2010 at 03:27 PM

caboclass - get a grip, take a pill, settle down, call your therapist! You are really getting yourself all worked up here and addressing somethings that is not the subject of this thread. This is about bad mannered people hogging the highway riding side by side down the road without care, even though they may have a caravan of cars, trucks, busses and more held up behind them because they chose not to just move over for a moment and let people pass. This is not about RV's, licensing requirements or Carlos Slim. Any normal driver would be ticked off at that kind of selfish behavior no matter what they are driving if they come up behind a couple of rude people like that who refuse to yield and let them pass.

If you ask Mexicans what they think about two people riding down a two lane highway, side by side with a trailing car and holding up all the traffic wih total disregard to everybody else (that is the subject and topic of this thread), 99.9% of Mexicanos will agree that this is very, very bad behavior.

You can cite all kinds of internet references and make all the legal arguments you want but the reality is you are just plain wrong.

This must be a cyclist's fault too?

caboclassof83 - 2-15-2010 at 03:51 PM

Both the drivers and the stapled-together chitboxes themselves aren't tested to any kind of a reasonable standard?

(No wonder you sots want the whole road to yourselves?)

http://data.nicar.org/uplink/node/63

A victim's view of RV safety

At some point in this information-gathering process, an assignment editor (who happened to be in the market for a new motor home) came to my desk with an article on the Hurricane Ridge accident from the independent RV Consumer Group Web site. The article contained photos, taken by the Web site creator, of the Owens’ RV crash scene. We had tried to get access to that same RV for our investigation, but the insurance companies and police kept it locked up and refused to let us too close. I called the Web site’s operators, JD and Connie Gallant. It turns out that JD had walked up to the Owens’ RV the day after the accident and took hundreds of photos, many showing the interior of the motor home.

He showed me the photos and pointed out one in particular. The photo showed a heavy wooden cabinet that had ripped apart from the walls of the RV. It sat squarely across Lonnie Owens’ seat. As Gallant put it, some “screw and glue” might have saved Owens’ life.

We were so busy trying to broaden the scope of our investigation that I almost missed the opportunity to shed new light on the specific, fatal accident that led us to this story in the first place. Gallant’s pictures helped me realize that the official state patrol crash investigation was lax when it came to determining Lonnie Owens’ cause of death. Scene investigators concentrated only on brake failure as the cause of the accident. They never raised the issue of ‘cause of death.’ I wondered if Lonnie Owens could have survived the crash caused by brake failure if the cabinet had stayed on the wall. Was there a standard for screw length? Did anyone require or conduct front-end crash tests on motor homes?

The answer was no and no. The federal government asks that empty motor home frames be impact tested and has no requirements for testing after the top-heavy “house” is built. Construction standards are left up to the whims of the RV maker. Some manufacturers don’t even put on front-end bumpers.

FATAL CRASH CAUSED BY DOG IN RV DRIVER'S LAP

caboclassof83 - 2-15-2010 at 03:57 PM

Well that's a relief?

I thought the rogue cyclist who must have caused this absolutely pointless tragedy had slipped away unscathed once again?

http://host.madison.com/news/local/article_81b802a3-25a5-540...

The crash Saturday that killed an Iowa Boy Scout leader and one of three scouts on a trip with him in the town of Verona was caused by a dog jumping into the lap of a man driving a motorhome, the Dane County Sheriff's Office said Monday.

The dog created a distraction for the driver of the motorhome, sheriff's spokeswoman Elise Schaffer said, causing him to cross the median.

The motorhome struck an Oldsmobile SUV driven by scout leader John W. Seier, 55, of Dubuque, who was immediately killed along with front seat passenger Travis Brune, 13, a Boy Scout from LaMotte, Iowa, Schaffer said.

Another scout who was in the back seat was pinned in the SUV and suffered critical injuries but is expected to survive, Schaffer said. A third scout, also in the back seat, was injured but the extent of his injuries was not described.

The driver of the motorhome, Gary A. Boldt, 62, of Pewaukee, and a passenger also suffered non-life-threatening injuries in the crash that occurred at about 11 a.m. near Highway G.

In the State of Utah, any road exceeding 6% is considered unsafe for school buses.

caboclassof83 - 2-15-2010 at 04:08 PM

And school bus drivers even have to prove to their respective states that they do know how to operate the vehicle too? Been There, Done That.

What's WRONG with this picture?

No wonder these RV freeloaders want bikes off the road?

bent-rim - 2-15-2010 at 04:16 PM

CaboClassof83, Welcome to the board.

Thwe whole reason that these RV ***** want to monolize Mex One?

caboclassof83 - 2-15-2010 at 04:21 PM

The new Mexican "Interstate Highway System" is all toll roads and they charge RVs the same as 18 wheelers.
(Plus another lick for the Jeep Cherokee they are towing along behind them too.)

IMO these are just about the only roads that full sized US RVs are really suited to operate on in Mexico too. Assuming senile unqualified operators as opposed to younger Mexican professionals, of course.....I saw Mexican commercial bus drivers work miracles back before the new road network existed.

http://www.peoplesguide.com/1pages/chapts/drive/toll/toll-ro...

Mexico’s Toll Highways:
Love ‘Em or Leave ‘Em

published: October 2001
Mexico’s extensive system of toll highways cause a good deal of groaning and teeth-gnashing from tourists. Those who drive “big rig” RV’s and motorhomes are especially vocal in their complaints about the high toll costs involved in an extensive Mexican road trip.

[Edited on 2-16-2010 by BajaNomad]

The whole reason that these RV ****** want to monopolize Mex One?

caboclassof83 - 2-15-2010 at 04:25 PM

As if getting a complete Free Pass on highway scales and OTR fuel regulations in the Continental U.S. wasn't already enough for them?

Talk about a subsidized and for the most part useless industry?

Bank of America has NOTHING on Winnebago?

[Edited on 2-16-2010 by BajaNomad]

josie - 2-15-2010 at 04:32 PM

caboclassof83 - This thread is not about RV's. Do you realize you are answering your own posts? You really need to get back on your meds.

This one would have slowed down to 75 on Mex One, I reckon?

caboclassof83 - 2-15-2010 at 04:38 PM

Probably restricted himself to light beer too? Mexico can be a dangerous place after all?

No wonder these people have it in for bicyclists?

http://www.topix.com/city/fort-collins-co/2010/02/state-patr...

State Patrol: RV in fatal summer crash outside Fort Collins traveling at 86 mph
Full story: Fort Collins Coloradoan

A judge ruled this afternoon that jurors in a trial scheduled for next month will be able to consider evidence about the fastest speed traveled by an RV involved in a fatal crash.

arrowhead - 2-15-2010 at 04:40 PM

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Originally posted by caboclassof83
What's the difference between a San Diego lawyer on a $5000 touring bicycle and a Mexican native with 200 pesos...

At the current exchange rate, the difference is $4,984.46.

Bajahowodd - 2-15-2010 at 04:52 PM

My. What an entertaining thread. And it is an exemplar of why net neutrality must be preserved. Other than that, caboclass really needs to get an adjustment of meds. Or, for the sake of society in general, be in a lock down facility.

DENNIS - 2-15-2010 at 04:53 PM

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Originally posted by bajabound2005
Hey, Dennis! I waved at you both times as I rode my bike past your house this morning :yes:

That was you? I'm impressed. Was that Vince that pulled along side to say "rest in peace?"

josie - 2-15-2010 at 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by arrowhead

Quote:

Originally posted by caboclassof83
What's the difference between a San Diego lawyer on a $5000 touring bicycle and a Mexican native with 200 pesos...

At the current exchange rate, the difference is $4,984.46.

Yes, but how much is the resale value of the $5000 touring bicycle? :biggrin:

caboclassof83 - 2-15-2010 at 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by josie
caboclassof83 - This thread is not about RV's. Do you realize you are answering your own posts? You really need to get back on your meds.

You ***** haven come up with a good answer to the question of a Mexican cyclist legally using the roads in his own country vs. a foreign cyclist.

Let alone how RV ************ out on a lark, unfit to operate a vehicle that size even on a normal road and in many cases inebriated to boot should ever prevail over either of them? When Mexican commercial drivers can quite easily coexist? And International Law says that you are nothing but downright ignorant.

Good luck coming up with another road of this length and strategic importance in a remote area anywhere on the face of the earth where bicycles aren't allowed? That's right chief, not even in Mainland China......and certainly not anywhere else in Latin America.

I've seen more of Mexico and Central America than almost all of you, most of it from a loaded touring bike and never had a lick of trouble with native drivers anywhere, not even the ones operating vehicles that weighed twice as much as full sized RVs.

And not on roads that represented the most twisty parts of Mex One running along for hundreds of miles just like that at a clip either.

Generally with a LOT more overall traffic too.

WTF is YOUR problem then?

Imagine the plunge from San Ignacio down to Santa Rosalia stretched out to 40 miles worth going through really thick undergrowth where you can't see around curves at all on the bottom half and that's the west side of Durango-Mazatlan.

The two roads from Oaxaca to the coast are cut from just about the same cloth too.

You know, maybe YOU clowns are the problem? I didn't see anything resembling a Class C RV on any of them?

[Edited on 2-16-2010 by BajaNomad]

bajaguy - 2-15-2010 at 04:58 PM

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Originally posted by josie

Yes, but how much is the resale value of the $5000 touring bicycle? :biggrin:

Probably nothing after it is run over by a Winnebago on Mex 1.. :lol:

josie - 2-15-2010 at 05:00 PM

OK, let's make that get back on your meds AND go back to attending those anger management classes caboclass. Looks like the real ones with road rage here are on two wheels, not four.

:wow:

[Edited on 2-16-2010 by josie]

Holy Crap, I already made "junior nomad."

caboclassof83 - 2-15-2010 at 05:02 PM

And I didn't even have an RV burrohat throw an empty beer bottle out the window at me yet?

Because he wasn't competent enough to move over two feet on a totally empty road?

Wassup wit dat?

mtgoat666 - 2-15-2010 at 05:06 PM

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Originally posted by caboclassof83

Quote:

Originally posted by josie
caboclassof83 - This thread is not about RV's. Do you realize you are answering your own posts? You really need to get back on your meds.

cabo,
that josie pozer registered 2 days ago, probably prompted to do so by your postings. fyi, it is pointless to argue bikes vs vehicles with the aarp set that populates this board -- they all drive oversized pickups, suvs or RVs; and none have been on a real bike in 40 years. a few have beach cruiser bikes that they wheel around their retirment communities, but that is lazy cycling in flip flops,... most of the people here would be buying electric-assisted bikes if they knew about the new products that apppeared in stores this year; in fact, if they had e-bikes, they could peddle a 9% grade despite their prodigous guts and a beers in hand

bummer to see you got banned -- you were funny for a while

[Edited on 2-16-2010 by mtgoat666]

[Edited on 2-16-2010 by BajaNomad]

josie - 2-15-2010 at 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by caboclassof83

Holy Crap, I already made "junior nomad."

And I didn't even have an RV burrohat throw an empty beer bottle out the window at me yet?

Because he wasn't competent enough to move over two feet on a totally empty road?

Wassup wit dat?

Looks like you are a BANNED junior nomad. Wave at us when we pass you on the highway!

:lol:

josie - 2-15-2010 at 05:13 PM

Looks like there is one tactical advantage to engage them - eventually they get themselves banned. :lol:

DENNIS - 2-15-2010 at 05:19 PM

The jerk is in fact banned. BYEBYE
I may have in the past had an affinity for a poster who had the fire in his fingertips to raise a ruckus here, but this person bothered me from the start.

All is well.

[Edited on 2-16-2010 by DENNIS]

josie - 2-15-2010 at 05:22 PM

I don't even drink beer and probably couldn't hit a tree from ten feet with a beer bottle but I want one of those ebikes! I promise to yield to all nomads on highway one and let them pass by. :biggrin:

Bajahowodd - 2-15-2010 at 05:27 PM

Not wanting to pile on, it just seemed to me that beyond this posters original intent, there was basically nothing more than pure venom. Figure, if that's all you got, then, vaya.

[Edited on 2-16-2010 by Bajahowodd]

josie - 2-15-2010 at 05:30 PM

Could have been venom but when somebody just rambles on and answers there own posts it sounds like they are delusional - psychotic to me. get back on your meds caboclass, stay awake in your anger management classes and all will be well in that little strange world inside your head.

DENNIS - 2-15-2010 at 05:36 PM

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Originally posted by josie
Could have been venom but when somebody just rambles on and answers there own posts it sounds like they are delusional - psychotic to me. get back on your meds caboclass, stay awake in your anger management classes and all will be well in that little strange world inside your head.

Well, josie....seems you've hit your stride early on the Nomad board.
Good stuff from you in the heat of nonsense. Hope to see more of you here.

Bajahowodd - 2-15-2010 at 05:36 PM

Huh? :?:

DENNIS - 2-15-2010 at 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Huh? :?:

Huh what?

ELINVESTIG8R - 2-15-2010 at 06:33 PM

bajaguy - 2-15-2010 at 06:34 PM

"the Baja"....?????
"napsack"......???
"Tiajuana".....????

probably was run over by a Winnebago somewhere on Hwy 1

I Have No Dog in This Fight

Gypsy Jan - 2-15-2010 at 06:54 PM

I just have dogs.

But, a few comments and then I will duck for cover.

1) Cabo-whatever seems like a really angry guy. For whatever reasons of his own, he took this discussion personally and escalated it to Iranian nuclear power plant levels. Chill out dude! Hillary Rodham Clinton is on call to net-gotiate peace.

2) Nomad commenters have been responding his posts in a measured and direct manner, asking reasonable questions about Cabo-whatever's assertions (and also mostly ignoring his derogatory characterizations of others).

DENNIS - 2-15-2010 at 07:34 PM

Sums it up well, Jan. Thanks.

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