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vgabndo - 12-26-2011 at 07:20 PM

OH Skeet..."Massaging of the Facts to prove a Massagers Point."

Watching them do that is one of my favorite pass-times. The best is watching you folks try to fit 80 million years of REAL dinosaur bones into six days of creationism.

It isn't anything about a younger generation Skeet, you've been modeling "massaging" all your life. Right?

captkw - 12-26-2011 at 08:01 PM

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Originally posted by captkw
hola, the only predator that they face ,is great whites and orca's when they are juvenile's,,,during the 60's the great whites wear hunted rather freicly,,,so today we have a very bad problem of them be ovepopulated...if,you ,cant get a grasp on that,I will try and make it more simple for you,,there is too many furbag's (sea lion's) and if your want argue with that,,nock,, yourself out ....:cool: K&T

Pompano - 12-27-2011 at 12:13 AM

Good grief, I just reread this thread twice..and will respond with this quote:

"Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength."



Whatever happened to civil discourse?


Skeet/Loreto - 12-27-2011 at 07:51 AM

Vag: To several points you are correct. However you are so "Aganist" one's beleif of the Supreme Being" that you cannot see the For Always look at both sides and Respect anyone's belief as They see it. They have that Right just as you have the right to beleive you descended from a Monkey!!

One of the reasons we have problems respecting each other is the very Stong Lack of Morals that the younger generation shows.
If they would just bring back the PADDLE!!

David K - 12-27-2011 at 08:51 AM

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Originally posted by Pescador
I find this discussion and the one previously where the libs and conservatives grouped up on their side of the line and took potshots at each other in a way that reminds me of the Hatfields and McCoys. This is also a small example of what goes on in the battle for the mind and spirit of the whole country at this point. Because civility is in such short supply, we really see the raw emotion of the split and no-one has even tried to bring it back together. I am a student of history and found the same behaviors that split and divided people with the very same type of issues in our relatively short history as a nation but the one issue that could always be counted on was a civility of the participants where even over issues of slavery, which cruelly divided our country into a real civil war with bullets and death, there was a stronger attempt to understand the other side and at least have some small point of agreement. Without that the country would have stayed divided after the Civil War and would have never come back together again.
I am not totally sure that I have the same hope at this point. I get the chance to read 8 pages of poisoned thinking that has no understanding or tolerance of a differing idealogy. Has the split gotten so far apart that there is no common ground of understanding. Surely those who spout the diatribe of Global Warming have some idea that there are questions that need to be asked and that there have been misrepresentations that only made the whole science questionable.

The same thing has happened here with people spouting that the fish are all dead and that the sky is falling while others report that things are almost the same as always. None of that seems to hit the mark for those of us who spend 250 - 300 days a year on the water. But those of us who have some experience and observation know that we also have a problem that gets worse every year and are actively looking for any solutions that make sense and are realistic and ring true.

But as long as we never are able to come together in a spirit of civility and cooperation the outcome is doomed and will go nowhere anyway. Perhaps that is the real objective afterall.


Well Said!

Have a Great New Year!!

Sweetwater - 12-27-2011 at 10:19 AM

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Originally posted by Pompano
Good grief, I just reread this thread twice..and will respond with this quote:

"Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength."



Whatever happened to civil discourse?



:yes:

Poisoning only by your own choice...........because you can always listen to the advice of Samuel Clemens.........one of my faves............

"Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."


edit: I can't believe I misspelled Mark Twain.......:light:

[Edited on 12-27-2011 by Sweetwater]

Skeet/Loreto - 12-27-2011 at 12:31 PM

As an Ole Fart who Questions the Staatements of the Younger Generation, What and Who can I beleive???

I know that at my age I am becoming less Tolerant than in the Past.

I know that I should try to accept some of the ways of the Youngsters.

I know that I was taught and worked with FACTS all my life.

I know that I observe the "massaging of FACTS coming from some of our Trusted Politians".

There does not seem to be any "Civil Discourse" anymore, just "Blaming' some one or calling them a "RACIST".

Tell me; What has caused these problems and What can we do to make our next Generation Better?????

comitan - 12-27-2011 at 12:36 PM

Spare the rod, spoil the child.

Barry A. - 12-27-2011 at 01:53 PM

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Originally posted by comitan
Spare the rod, spoil the child.


Generally speaking, I believe that phylosophy has gotten us to where we are today, so I respectfully disagree--------a little of both I think works better.

Barry

Skeet/Loreto - 12-27-2011 at 02:37 PM

You may be right Barry:

Maybe as the users of the Rod started getting a Kick out of "If it feels good, just do it" while using the Rod things out of the ordinary started happening leading to the
The overuse of the Rod.

Barry have you looked into the "High Shoplifting Problems" during the Christmas Season as well as the rest of the year??

Parents are getting caught for stealing Toys for their Children!!

DENNIS - 12-27-2011 at 03:42 PM

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Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Parents are getting caught for stealing Toys for their Children!!


Shameful. They should be stealing toys for themselves.
Blowup Doll, anyone? :lol:

vgabndo - 1-4-2012 at 05:14 PM

Here's another piece which is relevant to the discussion. Interesting charges of misrepresentation.
http://www.somethingsfishyaboutpso.com/psos-false-attacks-on...

vagabundo

captkw - 1-4-2012 at 06:18 PM

hola all,, marine bioidiot's is a much more,,accurete title and my northern home is monterey bay,,where norte,,,sur,, the ocean is getting closed down, faster than your right's as a free --------mpa's & other's save the coast BS has about ,shut down the centrail coast for fishing..this was.....A great place to live.....K&T....coming,,soon,near you!!!

[Edited on 1-5-2012 by captkw]

Pescador - 1-5-2012 at 07:18 AM

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Originally posted by captkw
hola all,, marine bioidiot's is a much more,,accurete title and my northern home is monterey bay,,where norte,,,sur,, the ocean is getting closed down, faster than your right's as a free --------mpa's & other's save the coast BS has about ,shut down the centrail coast for fishing..this was.....A great place to live.....K&T....coming,,soon,near you!!!

[Edited on 1-5-2012 by captkw]


Is there a translation for this anywhere?:lol::lol::lol:

piscador

captkw - 1-5-2012 at 07:24 AM

hola,like your avatar !! today in the santa cruz sentinel paper,is a story.about a marine bio,facing fed. fines for feeding whale's,while doing her research !! and I guess the translation is: fishing along the us west coast,is getting shut down,spot by spot !!.....K&T........:cool:

805gregg - 1-5-2012 at 09:22 PM

The first post in this thread reminds me of a trip I made with my wife and a good friend with his wife. We drove straight though from our small house in OB to SJDC. Alternating drivers we made it in 24 hrs. We pulled up to the beach at zippers and since it was ungodly hot we sat under the only open palapa on the beach. We ended up staying 9 days there, with our large beach towels draped from the palapa rotated around with the sun, it was like a sultans tent. A very nice local would come by to collect rent, he collected from the other palapas but would hang at ours and have teqilla with us. He road a 10 speed bike, with a clear radio that hung from the cross bar .He was very proud of that radio and would play it everyday. The surf was small so we surfed when we could and went to the El Jardin restaurant on alternating nights. The other nights we would go the the fish processing plant toward the river mouth and buy fish, they had large piles of sharks there every time we went. After about a week the swell started to rise. All the boats from the Pamilla were moved well off shore and re anchored. We got good 10 foot waves at Old Mans then the wind started to come up. We decided it would be good to leave. We headed north stopping at Punta Santa Rosalillita, a friend told us there were good waves there, but the swell was way too far south to get in. We fished and had a good time in the seven sisters area way before it was a secret. There we met a guy named George that was heading south. When he found out we were heading north he told us he had found a lobster trap, and if we would drop it off at his friend Jose's house near the Colonet river he would appreciate it. We said sure. We pulled in to the dry river bed and drove down to near the beach and camped. My buddy and I left our wives and went to find Jose. We came to a gate that had a sign that said Jose's place, camping allowed, donninos played and english spoken, we had found Jose. We gave him the lobster trap and told him George had sent it. What a character, he was a small guy full of enegry and fun. He told us he had owned the Chicago Club in TJ but with all the police hassels had retired to Colonet. We sat on down on an old VW van seat in his small dirt floor house. We put our feet up on the large wash tub in front of us covered with an oil cloth. He had his 55 gallon drum stove going. He asked us if we wanted some carnitas tacos, wow we said sure, he pulled back the oilskin and there was a freshly slaughtered pig. We ate our fill of the best tacos we had ever had, and thanked him for such a warm welcome and headed back to our wives. Boy were they peeed, we had been gone for about 4 hrs. Another great time in Baja, I wouldn't trade the memory for anything, but I would trade the today Baja for that one in a second.

KaceyJ - 1-5-2012 at 09:47 PM

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Originally posted by 805gregg
The first post in this thread reminds me of a trip I made with my wife and a good friend with his wife. We drove straight though from our small house in OB to SJDC. Alternating drivers we made it in 24 hrs. We pulled up to the beach at zippers and since it was ungodly hot we sat under the only open palapa on the beach. We ended up staying 9 days there, with our large beach towels draped from the palapa rotated around with the sun, it was like a sultans tent. A very nice local would come by to collect rent, he collected from the other palapas but would hang at ours and have teqilla with us. He road a 10 speed bike, with a clear radio that hung from the cross bar .He was very proud of that radio and would play it everyday. The surf was small so we surfed when we could and went to the El Jardin restaurant on alternating nights. The other nights we would go the the fish processing plant toward the river mouth and buy fish, they had large piles of sharks there every time we went. After about a week the swell started to rise. All the boats from the Pamilla were moved well off shore and re anchored. We got good 10 foot waves at Old Mans then the wind started to come up. We decided it would be good to leave. We headed north stopping at Punta Santa Rosalillita, a friend told us there were good waves there, but the swell was way too far south to get in. We fished and had a good time in the seven sisters area way before it was a secret. There we met a guy named George that was heading south. When he found out we were heading north he told us he had found a lobster trap, and if we would drop it off at his friend Jose's house near the Colonet river he would appreciate it. We said sure. We pulled in to the dry river bed and drove down to near the beach and camped. My buddy and I left our wives and went to find Jose. We came to a gate that had a sign that said Jose's place, camping allowed, donninos played and english spoken, we had found Jose. We gave him the lobster trap and told him George had sent it. What a character, he was a small guy full of enegry and fun. He told us he had owned the Chicago Club in TJ but with all the police hassels had retired to Colonet. We sat on down on an old VW van seat in his small dirt floor house. We put our feet up on the large wash tub in front of us covered with an oil cloth. He had his 55 gallon drum stove going. He asked us if we wanted some carnitas tacos, wow we said sure, he pulled back the oilskin and there was a freshly slaughtered pig. We ate our fill of the best tacos we had ever had, and thanked him for such a warm welcome and headed back to our wives. Boy were they peeed, we had been gone for about 4 hrs. Another great time in Baja, I wouldn't trade the memory for anything, but I would trade the today Baja for that one in a second.




805,

Year?

motoged - 1-5-2012 at 10:33 PM

805gregg,
Thank you....you get it !!!:saint::yes:

I wrote the first post simply as a story, a recollection, and a reflection much more than as an eco-rant (which I have no problem doing from time-to-time).

Folks took the thread on a ride in different directions....but I just did a Step One on that :biggrin:

I liked your memory....the images you shared leave me with sand between my toes and some carnita stuck between a few teeth.

Gracias:cool:

Sweetwater - 1-6-2012 at 12:38 AM

Ged,

We just get what comes, not necessarily what we came for.........and some of us keep coming back......I'm a noob to Baja.........but I've backpacked the Wind River Wilderness for close to 25 years.....think I'll go again in July......but only after Baja in February.....

:cool:

805gregg - 1-7-2012 at 07:32 PM

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Originally posted by motoged
805gregg,
Thank you....you get it !!!:saint::yes:

I wrote the first post simply as a story, a recollection, and a reflection much more than as an eco-rant (which I have no problem doing from time-to-time).

Folks took the thread on a ride in different directions....but I just did a Step One on that :biggrin:

I liked your memory....the images you shared leave me with sand between my toes and some carnita stuck between a few teeth.

Gracias:cool:


Thanks, that was the goal. I enjoyed your first post also. I've been to Agua Verde. We saved the day after getting back by going out on Punta Colonet and brought back lots of Limpets and Chitons and had them fried in butter. A Mexican family that came down to where we were camped saw them and said Abalon, and went after them. Unfortunatually the good people here generally miss the point.

[Edited on 1-8-2012 by 805gregg]

[Edited on 1-8-2012 by 805gregg]

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