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Ken Cooke - 5-20-2012 at 11:46 AM

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Originally posted by David K
You see far more Tacomas (and other Toyotas) on the road than any other brand of mid-size truck...


Memo to David K - Ford pulled out of that segment, Isuzu went away, Suzuki and Chevy are far behind (in sales).:light:

Barry A. - 5-20-2012 at 11:55 AM

-------Isuzu and Suzuki were blown out of the water by CONSUMERS REPORTS outrageous reporting, and withdrew to calmer, more sane, waters. :fire:

Barry

chuckie - 5-20-2012 at 12:24 PM

BUT! Did the crack get welded.???:?:

woody with a view - 5-20-2012 at 12:28 PM

he said monday. it ain't monday in this neck of the woods yet....

Ken Cooke - 5-20-2012 at 12:38 PM

If it were a JEEP, there would at least 10 aftermarket Frame fixes, and guaranteed - at least one booth at the next Off Road Expo in Pomona highlighting the best and latest product to fix the problem.


David K - 5-20-2012 at 12:43 PM

Because it isn't a Jeep, there doesn't need to be! ;-)

Ken Cooke - 5-20-2012 at 12:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Because it isn't a Jeep, there doesn't need to be! ;-)



Is this why you change Tacomas every 3-4 years on average? :lol::light:

DavidE - 5-20-2012 at 12:52 PM

In Mexico, trick is to wire license plates on, and carry a liter of gasoline and a match. VIN number is plastic --- burn baby burn. Smoking hulk not traceable.

Barry A. - 5-20-2012 at 12:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by whistler
Barry A,I agree with increasing the tax base.Everybody is in favor of raising
taxes as long it does not raise mine.I am sure many people reap the benefits of government services and pay no tax.That includes me.


Well, I DO pay taxes, and I don't (and never have) used most of those "services" you speak of other than Medicare which my Blue Cross Insurance INSISTED I use when I turned 65, and my attending the CA University System as well as the Public Schools, plus infrastructure!!! If many of the services offered were much more restricted (in many cases, non-existant) then I would be much more willing to pay higher taxes (but they would not then be needed, would they?), but that is not happening as far as I can tell. If paying down the debt substantially was in the Law, then yes, I would be willing to pay more in taxes, as we all should.

In the mean time and all along, the top 3% of the Nation (the Fat-Cats?) are paying 40% of ALL Fed. Income taxes, and that is certainly NOT equitable. And another 40% or so Americans pay no Fed. Income taxes at ALL!!!! And now they want to raise Fed. and State Income taxes on the rich????? That is OutRageous!!!!!! no, actually Un-American!!!!

Aren't you now glad you brought THAT up (whoever actually did bring it up)?? :lol:

(until we get a Frame-report on Monday we have to talk about SOMETHING) :O

Barry

David K - 5-20-2012 at 12:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Ken Cooke
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Because it isn't a Jeep, there doesn't need to be! ;-)



Is this why you change Tacomas every 3-4 years on averageacreage? :lol::light:
:lol: 4.5 years Ken as they have each been 5 year leases, but over 100,000 miles at trade in.

Barry A. - 5-20-2012 at 01:35 PM

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Originally posted by whistler
I agree with almost everything you say but you do use government services everyday.


The "one's" I use I would immagine I don't object too (naturally) but I honestly don't know what those are other than what I said above. I have never, in 74 years, called the cops, the firedept, 911, etc. but I do believe that those Services are necessary, and that we all (everybody) need to support them. It's the so-called "entitlements" that I have grave questions about, not the traditional services that Govt. has long provided. In this town (Redding, CA) we pay outside of taxes for trash collection, sewer, recycleing, storm drains, water, electricity, etc. etc.... based on what we consume.

Barry

rts551 - 5-20-2012 at 01:53 PM

Barry

Tell the whole story. You pay taxes on your Federal Employee pension. Your medical insurance (blue cross) is 50% paid for by the government. You ARE one of the reasons the debt is so high(Civil Service retirement ) Tell you what. Why don't you just give that stuff back to the people who are supporting you and quit being hypocritical. The trickle down you are getting id from the bottom 97%. be more thankful to them.
Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
Quote:
Originally posted by whistler
Barry A,I agree with increasing the tax base.Everybody is in favor of raising
taxes as long it does not raise mine.I am sure many people reap the benefits of government services and pay no tax.That includes me.


Well, I DO pay taxes, and I don't (and never have) used most of those "services" you speak of other than Medicare which my Blue Cross Insurance INSISTED I use when I turned 65, and my attending the CA University System as well as the Public Schools, plus infrastructure!!! If many of the services offered were much more restricted (in many cases, non-existant) then I would be much more willing to pay higher taxes (but they would not then be needed, would they?), but that is not happening as far as I can tell. If paying down the debt substantially was in the Law, then yes, I would be willing to pay more in taxes, as we all should.

In the mean time and all along, the top 3% of the Nation (the Fat-Cats?) are paying 40% of ALL Fed. Income taxes, and that is certainly NOT equitable. And another 40% or so Americans pay no Fed. Income taxes at ALL!!!! And now they want to raise Fed. and State Income taxes on the rich????? That is OutRageous!!!!!! no, actually Un-American!!!!

Aren't you now glad you brought THAT up (whoever actually did bring it up)?? :lol:

(until we get a Frame-report on Monday we have to talk about SOMETHING) :O

Barry

rts551 - 5-20-2012 at 01:56 PM

Barry....geeeze

You are a civil service retiree. That is an entitlement!!!!!!
Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
Quote:
Originally posted by whistler
I agree with almost everything you say but you do use government services everyday.


The "one's" I use I would immagine I don't object too (naturally) but I honestly don't know what those are other than what I said above. I have never, in 74 years, called the cops, the firedept, 911, etc. but I do believe that those Services are necessary, and that we all (everybody) need to support them. It's the so-called "entitlements" that I have grave questions about, not the traditional services that Govt. has long provided. In this town (Redding, CA) we pay outside of taxes for trash collection, sewer, recycleing, storm drains, water, electricity, etc. etc.... based on what we consume.

Barry

rts551 - 5-20-2012 at 02:12 PM

Here Barry

"Entitlements, sometimes called "payments to individuals," are technically defined as benefits for which people qualify automatically, by virtue of their age or income or occupation. Social Security is such an entitlement, by far the largest. So are medical programs such as Medicare and Medicaid, civil-service and military pensions, unemployment insurance and price-support payments for farmers, and (with certain technical quibbles over definitions) subsidized housing and food stamps."

Barry A. - 5-20-2012 at 02:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rts551
Here Barry

"Entitlements, sometimes called "payments to individuals," are technically defined as benefits for which people qualify automatically, by virtue of their age or income or occupation. Social Security is such an entitlement, by far the largest. So are medical programs such as Medicare and Medicaid, civil-service and military pensions, unemployment insurance and price-support payments for farmers, and (with certain technical quibbles over definitions) subsidized housing and food stamps."


Good grief---------I NEVER thought of my Pension (which I payed into over the years, and was a condition/benefit of my employment and therefore part of "my pay") as an "entitlement"-----I thought it was something I earned!!!!

Silly me!!!! :rolleyes:

------and also, I pay a premium for me and my wife's Medicare Part B each and every month, and it ain't that cheap (about $230 a month). That is way more than our med. bills total up to each year (so far), but then that is the nature of Insurance which I consider Part B to be.

Barry

Bajaboy - 5-20-2012 at 02:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
Quote:
Originally posted by rts551
Here Barry

"Entitlements, sometimes called "payments to individuals," are technically defined as benefits for which people qualify automatically, by virtue of their age or income or occupation. Social Security is such an entitlement, by far the largest. So are medical programs such as Medicare and Medicaid, civil-service and military pensions, unemployment insurance and price-support payments for farmers, and (with certain technical quibbles over definitions) subsidized housing and food stamps."


Good grief---------I NEVER thought of my Pension (which I payed into over the years, and was a condition/benefit of my employment and therefore part of "my pay") as an "entitlement"-----I thought it was something I earned!!!!

Silly me!!!! :rolleyes:

------and also, I pay a premium for me and my wife's Medicare Part B each and every month, and it ain't that cheap (about $230 a month). That is way more than our med. bills total up to each year (so far), but then that is the nature of Insurance which I consider Part B to be.

Barry


Barry, your "entitlement" is one of the things "they" are trying to take away. Haven't you followed anything that has happened in Wisconsin?

Barry A. - 5-20-2012 at 03:18 PM

BajaBoy-----------who is "they"??? The Republicans???

Yes, I have followed the Wisconsin "situation" pretty carefully, I thought, but was not aware that "they" were aiming at my Pension as a bargain-chip. I just thought "they" wanted to weaken the Union stranglehold on the States coffers going forward so as to balance the Budget. I have never heard of any Republicans wanting to "take away" any existing Pensions--------just perhaps "reduce" them for new hires (reads future Pensions) since no Govt. entity can afford to pay these "negotiated" rediculously generous stipens forever.

Barry

rts551 - 5-20-2012 at 03:20 PM

Barry.didn't you read what I put up. Your retirement is an entitlement. and yours comes at the tax payers expense. Also the taxpayers are covering 50% of your medical insurance AS WELL AS your medicare. So you are hitting them from all sides. Better Try and hang on to your benefits. You may think you earned them but others don't. There will be targets than just Social Security. Remember the off-set laws passed in the 80's that took away your ability to get payed ssn benefits you might have "earned". well more to come...how about instead of a COLA you get a cut in your monthly entitlement to balance the budget.

rts551 - 5-20-2012 at 03:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
BajaBoy-----------who is "they"??? The Republicans???

Yes, I have followed the Wisconsin "situation" pretty carefully, I thought, but was not aware that "they" were aiming at my Pension as a bargain-chip. I just thought "they" wanted to weaken the Union stranglehold on the States coffers going forward so as to balance the Budget. I have never heard of any Republicans wanting to "take away" any existing Pensions--------just perhaps "reduce" them for new hires (reads future Pensions) since no Govt. entity can afford to pay these "negotiated" rediculously generous stipens forever.

Barry, they can take your "stipend". Al it takes is to pass a law.

Get ready!

Barry

Bajaboy - 5-20-2012 at 03:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rts551
Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
BajaBoy-----------who is "they"??? The Republicans???

Yes, I have followed the Wisconsin "situation" pretty carefully, I thought, but was not aware that "they" were aiming at my Pension as a bargain-chip. I just thought "they" wanted to weaken the Union stranglehold on the States coffers going forward so as to balance the Budget. I have never heard of any Republicans wanting to "take away" any existing Pensions--------just perhaps "reduce" them for new hires (reads future Pensions) since no Govt. entity can afford to pay these "negotiated" rediculously generous stipens forever.

Barry, they can take your "stipend". Al it takes is to pass a law.

Get ready!

Barry


And who says those that are still working and putting into the system haven't earned it:?:

I still go over the top when I hear people complain about teacher pensions. I contribute to my pension. I don't get social security even though I paid into it for 20 plus years. I pay my taxes. It was promised to me when I was hired and thus was one of the reasons I went to work as a public servant.

No "they" want to take it away.....

Barry A. - 5-20-2012 at 03:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rts551
Barry

Tell the whole story. You pay taxes on your Federal Employee pension. Your medical insurance (blue cross) is 50% paid for by the government. You ARE one of the reasons the debt is so high(Civil Service retirement ) Tell you what. Why don't you just give that stuff back to the people who are supporting you and quit being hypocritical. The trickle down you are getting id from the bottom 97%. be more thankful to them.


Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
Quote:
Originally posted by whistler
Barry A,I agree with increasing the tax base.Everybody is in favor of raising
taxes as long it does not raise mine.I am sure many people reap the benefits of government services and pay no tax.That includes me.


Well, I DO pay taxes, and I don't (and never have) used most of those "services" you speak of other than Medicare which my Blue Cross Insurance INSISTED I use when I turned 65, and my attending the CA University System as well as the Public Schools, plus infrastructure!!! If many of the services offered were much more restricted (in many cases, non-existant) then I would be much more willing to pay higher taxes (but they would not then be needed, would they?), but that is not happening as far as I can tell. If paying down the debt substantially was in the Law, then yes, I would be willing to pay more in taxes, as we all should.

In the mean time and all along, the top 3% of the Nation (the Fat-Cats?) are paying 40% of ALL Fed. Income taxes, and that is certainly NOT equitable. And another 40% or so Americans pay no Fed. Income taxes at ALL!!!! And now they want to raise Fed. and State Income taxes on the rich????? That is OutRageous!!!!!! no, actually Un-American!!!!

Aren't you now glad you brought THAT up (whoever actually did bring it up)?? :lol:

(until we get a Frame-report on Monday we have to talk about SOMETHING) :O

Barry


EXACTLY, rts551, and it's wrong!!! Yes, I pay taxes on my Pension (so??).

I have no problem with being "hypocritical"---------EVERYBODY is "hypocritical"--------the point is that the conditions and pay-benefits that existed when I joined the Govt. were part of the package, and one of the reasons I went with the Feds. But that does not make them right!!!! The Fed. pay benefits have gotten out of control, and the Govt. cannot continue to make these insanely generous packages (which don't even come close to the insanity in some Municipal, County, and State benefits) to an ever increasing number of Govt. employees--------it simply can't continue, and I think we all know it, even if we won't admit it. NO COUNTRY CAN AFFORD IT!!!! unless it has natural resources (like oil) that fills the coffers artificially.

If I thought that giving up my agreed upon Pension would change anything, I would do it in an instant because I can afford to. But unless we come to some agreement in this Country on rules/laws REQUIRING the Govt./Congress to make the bold decisions to balance the budget, I am not willing to give it up-----------you know, 'share the burden', and all that? THAT is why I favor a FLAT TAX at about 18% so we ALL have a stake in this Country and "share the burden" of keeping it on it's feet!!

Barry

Barry A. - 5-20-2012 at 03:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajaboy
Quote:
Originally posted by rts551
Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
BajaBoy-----------who is "they"??? The Republicans???

Yes, I have followed the Wisconsin "situation" pretty carefully, I thought, but was not aware that "they" were aiming at my Pension as a bargain-chip. I just thought "they" wanted to weaken the Union stranglehold on the States coffers going forward so as to balance the Budget. I have never heard of any Republicans wanting to "take away" any existing Pensions--------just perhaps "reduce" them for new hires (reads future Pensions) since no Govt. entity can afford to pay these "negotiated" rediculously generous stipens forever.

Barry, they can take your "stipend". Al it takes is to pass a law.

Get ready!

Barry


And who says those that are still working and putting into the system haven't earned it:?:

I still go over the top when I hear people complain about teacher pensions. I contribute to my pension. I don't get social security even though I paid into it for 20 plus years. I pay my taxes. It was promised to me when I was hired and thus was one of the reasons I went to work as a public servant.

No "they" want to take it away.....


bajaboy------if you paid into Social Security for "20 years", you certainly can get your SS checks now if you are of the right age--------not sure I understand what you mean?? You have to have a certain numbers of "quarters of work" in the private sector, and 20 years worth of quarters is way more than you need.

------and no, "they" do not want to "take it away"----your pension------where did you hear THAT? It's FUTURE Pension deals that must be reduced, not current or near-term pensions.

Barry

[Edited on 5-20-2012 by Barry A.]

chuckie - 5-20-2012 at 03:45 PM

The frame! The frame! Who took away the frame! The government?

David K - 5-20-2012 at 03:46 PM

Careful Barry, using facts only gets them more angry.

rts551 - 5-20-2012 at 03:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
Quote:
Originally posted by Bajaboy
Quote:
Originally posted by rts551
Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
BajaBoy-----------who is "they"??? The Republicans???

Yes, I have followed the Wisconsin "situation" pretty carefully, I thought, but was not aware that "they" were aiming at my Pension as a bargain-chip. I just thought "they" wanted to weaken the Union stranglehold on the States coffers going forward so as to balance the Budget. I have never heard of any Republicans wanting to "take away" any existing Pensions--------just perhaps "reduce" them for new hires (reads future Pensions) since no Govt. entity can afford to pay these "negotiated" rediculously generous stipens forever.

Barry, they can take your "stipend". Al it takes is to pass a law.

Get ready!

Barry


And who says those that are still working and putting into the system haven't earned it:?:

I still go over the top when I hear people complain about teacher pensions. I contribute to my pension. I don't get social security even though I paid into it for 20 plus years. I pay my taxes. It was promised to me when I was hired and thus was one of the reasons I went to work as a public servant.

No "they" want to take it away.....


bajaboy------if you paid into Social Security for "20 years", you certainly can get your SS checks now if you are of the right age--------not sure I understand what you mean?? You have to have a certain numbers of "quarters of work" in the private sector, and 20 years worth of quarters is way more than you need.

Barry


No he can not. His pension offsets any social security benefits earned and payed for (only applies to certain federal and state employes).

Barry A. - 5-20-2012 at 03:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chuckie
The frame! The frame! Who took away the frame! The government?


No, the "frame" is on hold until tomorrow when we will get a full report (hopefully). In the mean time we are treading water with fun Political stuff, don'cha know. :spingrin:

Barry

rts551 - 5-20-2012 at 03:49 PM

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Originally posted by David K
Careful Barry, using facts only gets them more angry.
That is right Dk. we are using the facts. Barry has been misled. Do you not believe what I have cited or quoted?

Show me the facts (and not a bumper sticker)

Barry A. - 5-20-2012 at 03:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rts551
Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
Quote:
Originally posted by Bajaboy
Quote:
Originally posted by rts551
Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
BajaBoy-----------who is "they"??? The Republicans???

Yes, I have followed the Wisconsin "situation" pretty carefully, I thought, but was not aware that "they" were aiming at my Pension as a bargain-chip. I just thought "they" wanted to weaken the Union stranglehold on the States coffers going forward so as to balance the Budget. I have never heard of any Republicans wanting to "take away" any existing Pensions--------just perhaps "reduce" them for new hires (reads future Pensions) since no Govt. entity can afford to pay these "negotiated" rediculously generous stipens forever.

Barry, they can take your "stipend". Al it takes is to pass a law.

Get ready!

Barry


And who says those that are still working and putting into the system haven't earned it:?:

I still go over the top when I hear people complain about teacher pensions. I contribute to my pension. I don't get social security even though I paid into it for 20 plus years. I pay my taxes. It was promised to me when I was hired and thus was one of the reasons I went to work as a public servant.

No "they" want to take it away.....


bajaboy------if you paid into Social Security for "20 years", you certainly can get your SS checks now if you are of the right age--------not sure I understand what you mean?? You have to have a certain numbers of "quarters of work" in the private sector, and 20 years worth of quarters is way more than you need.

Barry


No he can not. His pension offsets any social security benefits earned and payed for (only applies to certain federal and state employes).


This is very strange----------I have several very rich friends that collect Social Security-------what's with THAT???? I don't collect SS because I don't have the requisite min. number of "quarters" in the private sector to qualify, but if I did I could collect SS AND my Fed. Pension, I am told. (????????)

Barry

rts551 - 5-20-2012 at 03:51 PM

And guess what, he can not collect on his spouses record as well.

Barry A. - 5-20-2012 at 03:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rts551
And guess what, he can not collect on his spouses record as well.


HUH???????? My wife collects her SS, no problem. I don't understand.

Barry

rts551 - 5-20-2012 at 03:54 PM

here Barry you can verify it on WIKI (you too David)

The Windfall Elimination Provision (abbreviated WEP[1]) is a statutory provision in United States law which affects benefits paid by the Social Security Administration under Title II of the Social Security Act. It reduces the Primary Insurance Amount (PIA) of a person's Retirement Insurance Benefits (RIB) or Disability Insurance Benefits (DIB) when that person is eligible or entitled to a pension based on a job which did not contribute to the Social Security Trust Fund. While in effect, it also affects the benefits of others claiming on the same social security record.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windfall_Elimination_Provision

rts551 - 5-20-2012 at 03:59 PM

So even if you earned the requisit 40 quarters, or my wife did, you can not collect because of the provision

'it also affects the benefits of others claiming on the same social security record.[2]'

So Bajaboy will not be able to collect SS no matter what it calculates out to be because he had two careers. One paying no SS taxes (even if the one paying was longer than the one not paying). It was a slight of hand law to save money during the Regan years.

Barry A. - 5-20-2012 at 04:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rts551
here Barry you can verify it on WIKI (you too David)

The Windfall Elimination Provision (abbreviated WEP[1]) is a statutory provision in United States law which affects benefits paid by the Social Security Administration under Title II of the Social Security Act. It reduces the Primary Insurance Amount (PIA) of a person's Retirement Insurance Benefits (RIB) or Disability Insurance Benefits (DIB) when that person is eligible or entitled to a pension based on a job which did not contribute to the Social Security Trust Fund. While in effect, it also affects the benefits of others claiming on the same social security record.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windfall_Elimination_Provision


It "reduces" the benefits, not eliminates them, or at least that is the way I read it.

-----but, I did not know such a law was in existance, and it sure does not seem to effect my wife's SS-------wonder why? By the way, I LIKE that law-------if we don't need SS, we should not be collecting it, IMO. I have always felt that way. To me, SS is a "safety net", and should be treated that way. (but I can't get my wife to agree with that) :rolleyes:

Barry

DavidE - 5-20-2012 at 04:12 PM

Ah yes, Social InSecurity.

The Golden Years

Full Of Excitement Every Month

Let's See...

It's Going To Be June

Now Is That Going To Be The Month

Where I Must Do Without Food, or Without Medicine?

Barry A. - 5-20-2012 at 04:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DavidE
Ah yes, Social InSecurity.

The Golden Years

Full Of Excitement Every Month

Let's See...

It's Going To Be June

Now Is That Going To Be The Month

Where I Must Do Without Food, or Without Medicine?


You are not supposed to "live" off SS, David, it is only supposed to "suppliment" what you saved up for retirement, and/or your investments. Suzy Orman pounds this into us every week, every year, and always!!!! (I love Suzy's advice-------almost always right-on-target)

Many citizens simply don't seem to understand that, and I have never been able to figure that out as it's no secret. :light:

Still, I think your food is more important that the "meds", and certainly much more enjoyable. I have pretty much discontinued my "meds" as the whole "health" thing is just too confusing and ever-changing. I take my arthritis suppliments & CoQ10, but that is about it. I KNOW that they work. At my age, everything is iffy anyway, and I am ready for whatever comes. :lol:

Barry

DavidE - 5-20-2012 at 04:40 PM

Without meds I end up on a gurney connected to an I.V. and dripping bags. No matter how tough things may seem, I never *ever* forget that for many folks around me, life is tougher, and fraught with more peril for they are trying to raise a family relying on little more than faith and hope.

But those out there that decry paying taxes, without those taxes I would be absent. I managed through ill fortune to end up below the bottom rung, beneath the floorboards in a crack.

But I will be damned if I will give up.

I say this and more to try and temper remarks about the seeming futility, the unfairness of paying taxes. I paid my fair share but without income, well, the words, The End, come to mind.

Paz Amigos

Barry A. - 5-20-2012 at 04:49 PM

Well said, David, as usual. I certainly have no smart-alex comeback to that. Forgive my generalities---------as always generalities step on individuals, and I should know that by now.

I salute you.

Barry

tripledigitken - 5-20-2012 at 04:51 PM

haven't we squeezed enough politics out of this thread????????

Cypress - 5-20-2012 at 04:52 PM

Living off SS. I paid it in and now it's paying me back. Poverty? Glad to have lived long enough. But? What about the multitude of parasites that never paid a dime and are sucking up the $$ from SS benefits? :?:

Barry A. - 5-20-2012 at 04:57 PM

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Originally posted by tripledigitken
haven't we squeezed enough politics out of this thread????????


I promise to quit before midnight, and patiently await the "report" on Monday about the "frame weld". I am really curious about what actually happens.

Barry

Bajaboy - 5-20-2012 at 05:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
Quote:
Originally posted by tripledigitken
haven't we squeezed enough politics out of this thread????????


I promise to quit before midnight, and patiently await the "report" on Monday about the "frame weld". I am really curious about what actually happens.

Barry


Once and for all, I am taking my truck in Monday afternoon to have it repaired on Tuesday. Some of us still have jobs:biggrin:

DavidE - 5-20-2012 at 05:29 PM

I think of the forum like a boiler pressure relief valve. Here within reason we can share our hopes, our joys, and otherwise, with friends. Tongue wagging is therapy as long as the tongue does not have a barb on the end.

More than one is curious about the outcome of that frame repair.

Bajaboy - 5-20-2012 at 05:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rts551
So even if you earned the requisit 40 quarters, or my wife did, you can not collect because of the provision

'it also affects the benefits of others claiming on the same social security record.[2]'

So Bajaboy will not be able to collect SS no matter what it calculates out to be because he had two careers. One paying no SS taxes (even if the one paying was longer than the one not paying). It was a slight of hand law to save money during the Regan years.


NOPE regardless of what some news channels might report, teachers in California cannot double dip. Again, it really riles me when I hear how teachers are screwing everyone over.

Bajaboy - 5-20-2012 at 05:32 PM

And my wife, a special ed teacher, is in the same boat donating into Social Security.....okay back to the great San Diego weather and my growler of Stone IPA....time to grill;D

rts551 - 5-20-2012 at 05:36 PM

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Originally posted by Barry A.
Quote:
Originally posted by rts551
here Barry you can verify it on WIKI (you too David)

The Windfall Elimination Provision (abbreviated WEP[1]) is a statutory provision in United States law which affects benefits paid by the Social Security Administration under Title II of the Social Security Act. It reduces the Primary Insurance Amount (PIA) of a person's Retirement Insurance Benefits (RIB) or Disability Insurance Benefits (DIB) when that person is eligible or entitled to a pension based on a job which did not contribute to the Social Security Trust Fund. While in effect, it also affects the benefits of others claiming on the same social security record.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windfall_Elimination_Provision


It "reduces" the benefits, not eliminates them, or at least that is the way I read it.

-----but, I did not know such a law was in existance, and it sure does not seem to effect my wife's SS-------wonder why? By the way, I LIKE that law-------if we don't need SS, we should not be collecting it, IMO. I have always felt that way. To me, SS is a "safety net", and should be treated that way. (but I can't get my wife to agree with that) :rolleyes:

Barry


You feel that way because you were always employed by the government. So you think that the government should steal Bajaboys entitlement just because he had to careers. one of them a teacher? hmmm says a lot about your politics and personal life. why is your wife getting ssn payments. Did she count your pension as income. maybe we should ask.

rts551 - 5-20-2012 at 05:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajaboy
Quote:
Originally posted by rts551
So even if you earned the requisit 40 quarters, or my wife did, you can not collect because of the provision

'it also affects the benefits of others claiming on the same social security record.[2]'

So Bajaboy will not be able to collect SS no matter what it calculates out to be because he had two careers. One paying no SS taxes (even if the one paying was longer than the one not paying). It was a slight of hand law to save money during the Regan years.


NOPE regardless of what some news channels might report, teachers in California cannot double dip. Again, it really riles me when I hear how teachers are screwing everyone over.


It is not double dipping. no matter what anyone says. you work two careers, each paying into separate accounts. what is wrong with that.

chuckie - 5-20-2012 at 05:53 PM

So! they dipped the frame? what did they dip it in ? Did that fix the crack

Barry A. - 5-20-2012 at 05:53 PM

RTS----------my wife collects SS even tho I have a Fed. pension, and separate income form investments, and we totally reported that when my wife signed up for SS a couple of years ago. She has been a self employed Artist all her life. Also, from our annual tax report, they know exactly what we make in Interest, Dividends, and Cap Gains.

I am not sure I understand what you are saying here.

By the way, I had 23 jobs in the Private sector before I ever joined the Fed. Govt.. I chose not to collect SS because I did not need it, tho I barely had enough quarters to qualify, I think---(not sure because it has been a long time since I looked at that)----maybe I did not have enough!?!?!?!?!?


Barry

[Edited on 5-21-2012 by Barry A.]

rts551 - 5-20-2012 at 06:14 PM

OK Barry.at least you have been given the facts. The "you have yours" attitude is not comforting. Nothing personal, its just that I tend to think that if we all do well, we all do better. a little different than trickle down.

Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
RTS----------my wife collects SS even tho I have a Fed. pension, and separate income form investments, and we totally reported that when my wife signed up for SS a couple of years ago. She has been a self employed Artist all her life. Also, from our annual tax report, they know exactly what we make in Interest, Dividends, and Cap Gains.

I am not sure I understand what you are saying here.

By the way, I had 23 jobs in the Private sector before I ever joined the Fed. Govt.. I chose not to collect SS because I did not need it, tho I barely had enough quarters to qualify, I think---(not sure because it has been a long time since I looked at that)----maybe I did not have enough!?!?!?!?!?


Barry

[Edited on 5-21-2012 by Barry A.]

Barry A. - 5-20-2012 at 06:30 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rts551
OK Barry.at least you have been given the facts. The "you have yours" attitude is not comforting. Nothing personal, its just that I tend to think that if we all do well, we all do better. a little different than trickle down.

Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
RTS----------my wife collects SS even tho I have a Fed. pension, and separate income form investments, and we totally reported that when my wife signed up for SS a couple of years ago. She has been a self employed Artist all her life. Also, from our annual tax report, they know exactly what we make in Interest, Dividends, and Cap Gains.

I am not sure I understand what you are saying here.

By the way, I had 23 jobs in the Private sector before I ever joined the Fed. Govt.. I chose not to collect SS because I did not need it, tho I barely had enough quarters to qualify, I think---(not sure because it has been a long time since I looked at that)----maybe I did not have enough!?!?!?!?!?


Barry

[Edited on 5-21-2012 by Barry A.]


No, "trickle down" benefits EVERYBODY, according to Art Laffer and common sense, AND my personal experience, AND the personal experience of my Family Members for many years. My intention is not to brag, but to give you the benefit of my totally known personal experience, which for me counts so much more than books and studies that use questionable input for their conclusions.

BArry

rts551 - 5-20-2012 at 06:35 PM

OK Barry. Books and studies(education) have served a lot of people well (including the 1%).

Time to watch the eclipse.

Barry A. - 5-20-2012 at 07:28 PM

The eclipse was wonderful, and we had a totally clear day up here to see it. It got pretty dark, but not as dark as i expected. The moon was considerably smaller than the sun, from this location. Big ring of fire, but I did not see any "solar flares" or anything like that.

I do not totally discount "studies and books" by academic experts, but I don't hang my hat on them either-------it is all good, and I have read my share, and they contribute to the big picture. BUT, they are NOT the final word--------actual results are the final word, to me anyway. Unfortunately, people measure "results" in so many ways that it becomes very obscure what is actually right and wrong in economics, and what is actually happening. To me, results are the % rate that my portfolio grows over many years----thats it.

Again I say, watch Suzy Orman on CNBC and she tells it like it is, IMO, for the most part, tho she is a tiny bit too conservative for me, but I understand that for a TV show.

Barry

chuckie - 5-20-2012 at 07:34 PM

Is she going to talk about Toyota frames?

Barry A. - 5-20-2012 at 07:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chuckie
Is she going to talk about Toyota frames?


:lol: I think not. She is leaving that up to Bajaboy on Monday or Tuesday.

Barry

Ken Cooke - 5-20-2012 at 08:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chuckie
So! they dipped the frame? what did they dip it in ? Did that fix the crack


It was sent to Mad Mike at Pimp My Ride. Triple Nickle Plated! BLING! BLING!:bounce:

Some of Mad Mike's handiwork...

David K - 5-22-2012 at 05:56 PM

California used to be one of the best school systems... When I had children using it, I discovered a total change from school of the late 1960's and early 70's (and no vouchers for us working folks to use private schools, like the elite politicians use for their kids).

chuckie - 5-22-2012 at 06:05 PM

So they are are establishing a scholarship/grant program on Frame Welding?kool, Maybe after all this trivia and political BS we can find out about the Toyota fram..But I doubt it...

Barry A. - 5-22-2012 at 06:16 PM

"trivia and political BS"?????????????

Barry

Skipjack Joe - 5-22-2012 at 06:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by whistler
Wondering why California is ranked 34th in math and science.Way below the national average.


... and the world average.

This quote is appropriate for this thread -

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=60190

Bajaboy - 5-22-2012 at 06:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
California used to be one of the best school systems... When I had children using it, I discovered a total change from school of the late 1960's and early 70's (and no vouchers for us working folks to use private schools, like the elite politicians use for their kids).


One of the main reasons is because we spend less than most states and you get what you pay for...or what repeated tax cuts give you
http://www.edsource.org/data-ca-per-pupil-exp-compare-states...

Bajaboy - 5-22-2012 at 06:44 PM

Okay, so got the truck back today. The crack was near a stress point near motor mount on driver side. The shop owner took my truck and consulted withe the guys at Toyota and decided extra reinforcing was necessary. The shop said the frame is as strong as ever and I feel better. Total cost was $350. I highly recommend Collision Experts in Lemon Grove.

Time to finish packing for a Thursday departure.

rts551 - 5-22-2012 at 07:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajaboy
Okay, so got the truck back today. The crack was near a stress point near motor mount on driver side. The shop owner took my truck and consulted withe the guys at Toyota and decided extra reinforcing was necessary. The shop said the frame is as strong as ever and I feel better. Total cost was $350. I highly recommend Collision Experts in Lemon Grove.

Time to finish packing for a Thursday departure.


so did they put a doubler in to make it stronger. or just weld the crack?

Bajaboy - 5-22-2012 at 07:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rts551
Quote:
Originally posted by Bajaboy
Okay, so got the truck back today. The crack was near a stress point near motor mount on driver side. The shop owner took my truck and consulted withe the guys at Toyota and decided extra reinforcing was necessary. The shop said the frame is as strong as ever and I feel better. Total cost was $350. I highly recommend Collision Experts in Lemon Grove.

Time to finish packing for a Thursday departure.


so did they put a doubler in to make it stronger. or just weld the crack?
I'm not quite sure what a doubler is....but he did say something to the effect of three reinforcements. That is they welded the crack first and then welded reinforcement in three places? Maybe you can interpret my gibberish:biggrin:

rts551 - 5-22-2012 at 07:21 PM

basically a backing plate that is bolted or welded in place over the crack

Ken Cooke - 5-22-2012 at 07:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajaboy
Okay, so got the truck back today. The crack was near a stress point near motor mount on driver side. The shop owner took my truck and consulted withe the guys at Toyota and decided extra reinforcing was necessary. The shop said the frame is as strong as ever and I feel better. Total cost was $350. I highly recommend Collision Experts in Lemon Grove.

Time to finish packing for a Thursday departure.



I am glad you were able to resolve this problem. Looking at it from my perspective, a vehicle that is paid for is less expensive to insure and operate than a brand-new one. If possible, you should nurse the one you have rather than take out a large loan on one that you "want." It is great to hear that your expenditure was less than $500.

That said, have a great time on your trip to Baja - either in the Ford pickup or in your Toyota. I hope you create a nice trip thread when you get back. I'll be checking to see all of the nice places you and your family went.

Bajaboy - 5-22-2012 at 08:05 PM

Thanks Ken...I am not in the mood for a new truck at the moment and was pleased to resolve the problem. I'm looking forward to a very quick trip to our place in Asuncion with my son. We'll also camp a couple of nights on the way down and back. Report to follow.

Barry A. - 5-22-2012 at 08:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajaboy
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
California used to be one of the best school systems... When I had children using it, I discovered a total change from school of the late 1960's and early 70's (and no vouchers for us working folks to use private schools, like the elite politicians use for their kids).


One of the main reasons is because we spend less than most states and you get what you pay for...or what repeated tax cuts give you
http://www.edsource.org/data-ca-per-pupil-exp-compare-states...


Congrats on the frame repair, and report-----sounds like you made the best decision to me.

On the "money spent per student" as the "main cause" of our low rating in results---------I don't buy that for a second!!! You cannot equate "results" with "money spent" in my opinion. It is the quality of Teaching methodology (not necessarily the quality of the teachers) that is the "main" problem, IMO.

Barry

Barry

Bajaboy - 5-22-2012 at 08:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
Quote:
Originally posted by Bajaboy
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
California used to be one of the best school systems... When I had children using it, I discovered a total change from school of the late 1960's and early 70's (and no vouchers for us working folks to use private schools, like the elite politicians use for their kids).


One of the main reasons is because we spend less than most states and you get what you pay for...or what repeated tax cuts give you
http://www.edsource.org/data-ca-per-pupil-exp-compare-states...


Congrats on the frame repair, and report-----sounds like you made the best decision to me.

On the "money spent per student" as the "main cause" of our low rating in results---------I don't buy that for a second!!! You cannot equate "results" with "money spent" in my opinion. It is the quality of Teaching methodology (not necessarily the quality of the teachers) that is the "main" problem, IMO.

Barry

Barry


Thanks Barry. Do think a teacher would be more effective with 20, 30, or 40 students?

Ken Cooke - 5-22-2012 at 08:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.

On the "money spent per student" as the "main cause" of our low rating in results---------I don't buy that for a second!!! You cannot equate "results" with "money spent" in my opinion. It is the quality of Teaching methodology (not necessarily the quality of the teachers) that is the "main" problem, IMO.

Barry

Barry


Barry - Do you teach Science by doing or by reading about it? Are both the same or are they mutually exclusive? What is your opinion?

Barry A. - 5-22-2012 at 10:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajaboy
Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
Quote:
Originally posted by Bajaboy
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
California used to be one of the best school systems... When I had children using it, I discovered a total change from school of the late 1960's and early 70's (and no vouchers for us working folks to use private schools, like the elite politicians use for their kids).


One of the main reasons is because we spend less than most states and you get what you pay for...or what repeated tax cuts give you
http://www.edsource.org/data-ca-per-pupil-exp-compare-states...


Congrats on the frame repair, and report-----sounds like you made the best decision to me.

On the "money spent per student" as the "main cause" of our low rating in results---------I don't buy that for a second!!! You cannot equate "results" with "money spent" in my opinion. It is the quality of Teaching methodology (not necessarily the quality of the teachers) that is the "main" problem, IMO.

Barry

Barry


Thanks Barry. Do think a teacher would be more effective with 20, 30, or 40 students?


I am not sure. Almost all my classes back in the '50's and '60's had at least 30 per class, and we seemed to do ok back then.

Barry

Barry A. - 5-22-2012 at 10:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Ken Cooke
Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.

On the "money spent per student" as the "main cause" of our low rating in results---------I don't buy that for a second!!! You cannot equate "results" with "money spent" in my opinion. It is the quality of Teaching methodology (not necessarily the quality of the teachers) that is the "main" problem, IMO.

Barry

Barry


Barry - Do you teach Science by doing or by reading about it? Are both the same or are they mutually exclusive? What is your opinion?


I don't understand your question, Ken. What does "mutually exclusive" mean ? (I never have understood that term). In high school, we did both-------read, and "doing". Same in College, as I remember.

I am not sure what that has to do with "money spent"?

Barry

Cypress - 5-23-2012 at 06:00 AM

"mutually exclusive"? See "plastic language".;D

Bajaboy - 5-23-2012 at 06:28 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
Quote:
Originally posted by Bajaboy
Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
Quote:
Originally posted by Bajaboy
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
California used to be one of the best school systems... When I had children using it, I discovered a total change from school of the late 1960's and early 70's (and no vouchers for us working folks to use private schools, like the elite politicians use for their kids).


One of the main reasons is because we spend less than most states and you get what you pay for...or what repeated tax cuts give you
http://www.edsource.org/data-ca-per-pupil-exp-compare-states...


Congrats on the frame repair, and report-----sounds like you made the best decision to me.

On the "money spent per student" as the "main cause" of our low rating in results---------I don't buy that for a second!!! You cannot equate "results" with "money spent" in my opinion. It is the quality of Teaching methodology (not necessarily the quality of the teachers) that is the "main" problem, IMO.

Barry

Barry


Thanks Barry. Do think a teacher would be more effective with 20, 30, or 40 students?


I am not sure. Almost all my classes back in the '50's and '60's had at least 30 per class, and we seemed to do ok back then.

Barry

And most of my classes today have upwards of 37 students. How about we fund education to go back to 30 students per class:?: Now you might have to give up some of that hard earned pension that you're asking new hires to go without.....:biggrin:

Barry A. - 5-23-2012 at 08:28 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajaboy
Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
Quote:
Originally posted by Bajaboy
Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
Quote:
Originally posted by Bajaboy
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
California used to be one of the best school systems... When I had children using it, I discovered a total change from school of the late 1960's and early 70's (and no vouchers for us working folks to use private schools, like the elite politicians use for their kids).


One of the main reasons is because we spend less than most states and you get what you pay for...or what repeated tax cuts give you
http://www.edsource.org/data-ca-per-pupil-exp-compare-states...


Congrats on the frame repair, and report-----sounds like you made the best decision to me.

On the "money spent per student" as the "main cause" of our low rating in results---------I don't buy that for a second!!! You cannot equate "results" with "money spent" in my opinion. It is the quality of Teaching methodology (not necessarily the quality of the teachers) that is the "main" problem, IMO.

Barry

Barry


Thanks Barry. Do think a teacher would be more effective with 20, 30, or 40 students?


I am not sure. Almost all my classes back in the '50's and '60's had at least 30 per class, and we seemed to do ok back then.

Barry

And most of my classes today have upwards of 37 students. How about we fund education to go back to 30 students per class:?: Now you might have to give up some of that hard earned pension that you're asking new hires to go without.....:biggrin:


Well, yes, there are some hard choices that have to be made. My point is that I don't think "more money" is the answer, as I have said. When you compare the amt. of money spent per student today with what we spent back in the '50's, and then look at the apparent results, something is terribly wrong, and it is an admitted very complicated issue starting with the home life of the students, and the attitude of both parents and students that they have these days.

I am NOT willing to give up "some of my pension", or sacrifice any of the still-working's future pensions either, until the spending is reduced thru better/smarter methodology and curriculum in the schools, and at home, and everywhere in-be-tween. The present situation in the schools is so bad that both my grandkids were "home-schooled" until they entered High School, and they did NOT end up "maladjusted" socially---just the opposite, and they both graduated cum-laude , in both High School and College.

barry

Bajaboy

DianaT - 5-23-2012 at 08:31 AM

You may someday see a little of the Social Security for which you worked and paid for---

The system punishes one for working and not for passive earnings.

We both receive Social Security, but it is greatly reduced because we also receive pensions from CalSTRS for teaching in the public schools and from PERS for teaching in the California State Prisons- -all of which we worked hard to earn and paid into every month. For both of us, many of the Social Security quarters were as self-employed and as independent contractors which meant we paid both sides of the tax.

However, our Social Security was NOT reduced at all by the passive income we receive from dividends and interest.

So those who were born into the lucky sperm club can work enough to earn the required quarters for Social Security and receive full benefits.

You mentioned reduced class sizes----and it is the answer to so much---- the schools would need far fewer support staff with classes of 20 mas o menos.

One cannot compare the CA schools to what they were in the 1950s --- they are different. In the Fresno area we were dealing with students with 40+ different languages as their first language. Great for diversity, difficult to give the individual attention that is needed when faced with 180 students every day.

Then again, some people will continue to blame all of the problems they had with their children on the schools.

Hope the frame on your truck is welded well. Road into BA is not that bad in most areas, but there are some killer potholes. And the water has been off for a few days----hopefully it will be back SOON.

[Edited on 5-23-2012 by DianaT]

DavidE - 5-23-2012 at 09:26 AM

Of course, absolutely and with guaranteed certainty...

The plight of undereducated public school students is NOT due to any influence parents may have in insuring that their children do their homework and understand it.

That can't be it! It cannot possibly be because far too many parents are not willing to take the time away from watching the boob tube, guzzling beer, and B.S.'ing to keep track of where their children should be education-wise.

It's impossible for a parent to ascertain reading comprehension or math skills of their child. That is the job of......of.....somebody.

And they sure as hell will not point fingers as to who is at fault for causing little Sammy or Sandy to limit themselves flipping burgers for a living.

[Edited on 5-23-2012 by DavidE]

tripledigitken - 5-23-2012 at 12:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by whistler
This is a pretty cool site.http://www.khanacademy.org/



Agreed!

bufeo - 5-23-2012 at 01:40 PM

:lol: :lol:

I still have a Toyota Tacoma and saw this thread on a "frame crack", and since we've been traveling for over a week and away from any sort of internet communication I haven't seen this topic.

Thinking that it would benefit me to see the last page (no. fifteen [with my parameters] at this writing) first to see where all the discussion lay, I clicked on page 15.

Nothing, zilch, zero, nada related to any cracks in a Toyota Tacoma frame. Now the topic seems to deal with education—of a sorts.

Ahhhhh, internet forums. Aren't they great?

Oh well, I'll dig back in the thread and see where the information is about the Tacoma. Maybe I'll mine something of value.

Carry on.

Allen R

chuckie - 5-23-2012 at 03:20 PM

The frame is apparently fixed! Now we can get back to the original intent of this thread..Discussing stuff that has nothing to do with the theme...I have a cure for the common cold and cancer..Lets talk about that....

Barry A. - 5-23-2012 at 03:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chuckie
The frame is apparently fixed! Now we can get back to the original intent of this thread..Discussing stuff that has nothing to do with the theme...I have a cure for the common cold and cancer..Lets talk about that....


Please forward the "cures" via U2U.

thank you

Barry

chuckie - 5-23-2012 at 03:47 PM

On the way!

DavidE - 5-23-2012 at 04:14 PM

Me too chuckie! Por Favór!

bufeo - 5-23-2012 at 06:47 PM

Que 'ueno! :)

Allen R

Ken Cooke - 5-23-2012 at 07:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by bufeo
Que 'ueno! :)

Allen R


I guess this common problem with the Tacoma can be remedied for under $500. The common problem with the Jeep Wrangler is with the stock manifold cracking over time. Mine is about 9 years old now, and I believe it will soon be time to replace my manifold for a trick ceramic-coated header that will also improve performance. All vehicles have their failure points over time.

Mexitron - 5-24-2012 at 05:05 AM

From what I know of my wife's experience with teaching, teachers spend an inordinate amount of time collecting and sending data to admin on the assumption that admin can come up with more effective teaching methods---ironic since that takes up much valuable teaching time in itself.

I don't know what has happened to school funding over the years--it was awesome in the 70s to go to Cal Poly SLO for $45/ quarter tuition! Admin has become top heavy but that can't explain it all...maybe the pensions are weighing it down. It may be that the schools are a popular target for budget downsizing as well---seems like they go after stuff like schools, parks, and rest areas( when you really need one crossing the desert and they're closed!), but never go after the big elephants in the room--social welfare and medical costs. My brother was laid off last year and they didn't have enough money to have medical insurance---during that time his daughter had a climbing accident---$150, 000 dollars for two days in the hospital, xrays/catscans, and surgery to reset her jaw. A LOT of money for two days in the hospital, but the state has a program that paid for her since she was underage. Good for my brother's family but geez that's a lot of dough.



[Edited on 5-24-2012 by Mexitron]

Mexitron - 5-24-2012 at 05:10 AM

As long as I'm ranting I wish they would quit cutting the budget for school buses---that's a great instance of where letting the "free market" step in to take care of things hasn't worked. We live near a couple schools in HB and it gets so tiring to wade through the traffic jams of parents dropping off their kids---what a waste of gas to have all those cars on the road too---very non-green!

Barry A. - 5-24-2012 at 08:10 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Mexitron
As long as I'm ranting I wish they would quit cutting the budget for school buses---that's a great instance of where letting the "free market" step in to take care of things hasn't worked. We live near a couple schools in HB and it gets so tiring to wade through the traffic jams of parents dropping off their kids---what a waste of gas to have all those cars on the road too---very non-green!


If there is a profit to be made, the Free Market will fill any void (including school buses)-------- but little or no profit, it ain't going to happen. THERE is where the Govt. CAN do it better, but only where the Free Market (private business enterprize) won't do it is it appropriate for Govt. to fill the gap, IMO. The Govt. can subsidize (create profit for) a private company running of school buses, and that is how it is done many places. Let the 'bean counters' figure out which is more efficient!?!?!?!?!?!

Barry

Skipjack Joe - 5-24-2012 at 12:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
Quote:
Originally posted by chuckie
The frame is apparently fixed! Now we can get back to the original intent of this thread..Discussing stuff that has nothing to do with the theme...I have a cure for the common cold and cancer..Lets talk about that....


Please forward the "cures" via U2U.

thank you

Barry


Chicken Soup? :lol::lol:

Cypress - 5-24-2012 at 12:37 PM

How big is that crack in the frame?:biggrin:

[Edited on 5/24/2012 by Cypress]

Jaybo - 5-24-2012 at 01:10 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Mexitron
As long as I'm ranting I wish they would quit cutting the budget for school buses---that's a great instance of where letting the "free market" step in to take care of things hasn't worked. We live near a couple schools in HB and it gets so tiring to wade through the traffic jams of parents dropping off their kids---what a waste of gas to have all those cars on the road too---very non-green!


How about the kids WALK or BIKE to school? :light:

woody with a view - 5-24-2012 at 01:14 PM

because they bus them across town to equalize the racial mix between the schools.

Mexitron - 5-27-2012 at 07:34 PM

Saw this today, just to make sure the thread is hijacked.....

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-cap-parks-20120528,0...

woody with a view - 5-27-2012 at 07:44 PM

page not found!

Bajaboy - 5-27-2012 at 08:33 PM

Wouldn't you know it....wife calls me while in Baja and says her check engine light is on and the car (Subaru) is jerking forward....cut the trip short and made the long drive home today....now to deal with her car....

Barry A. - 5-27-2012 at 08:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajaboy
Wouldn't you know it....wife calls me while in Baja and says her check engine light is on and the car (Subaru) is jerking forward....cut the trip short and made the long drive home today....now to deal with her car....


Now THAT is a huge BUMMER!!!!! Subaru's are such good cars that it is probably very simple. Good luck.

Barry

woody with a view - 5-27-2012 at 08:52 PM

dude, i'm right here about 10 minutes from your casa. before you take it in i can come over and pull the codes and lets go from there.

it's the least i can do for the better part of the trade i got from you with the roof racks vs 12 pacificos. seriously!

in the manana.....

Bajaboy - 5-27-2012 at 08:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by woody with a view
dude, i'm right here about 10 minutes from your casa. before you take it in i can come over and pull the codes and lets go from there.

it's the least i can do for the better part of the trade i got from you with the roof racks vs 12 pacificos. seriously!

in the manana.....


We can head your way too. U2U me your number and I'll give you a shout in the morning. Appreciate it.

woody with a view - 5-27-2012 at 09:04 PM

done.

TMW - 5-28-2012 at 10:20 AM

Did the frame get fixed to everyones satisfaction?

Bajaboy - 5-28-2012 at 11:52 AM

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Originally posted by TW
Did the frame get fixed to everyones satisfaction? [/quote

Survived another trip to Baja so I'm all smiles. Seriously, truck seems solid so all is good on this end.
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