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shari - 2-14-2012 at 10:57 AM

this just appeared in the local Gn rag...can you say quagmire?

http://detodoguerrero.com/2012/02/investiga-la-siedo-nexos-d...

Pompano - 2-14-2012 at 11:12 AM

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, etc. etc. etc..

I wonder..? Is Baja Nomads mostly a USA pc-correct orientated readership?...and is that in itself reason enough to explain why some think that duck is a... dove?? :rolleyes:

As the world churns....

mtgoat666 - 2-14-2012 at 11:14 AM

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Originally posted by shari
this just appeared in the local Gn rag...can you say quagmire?

http://detodoguerrero.com/2012/02/investiga-la-siedo-nexos-d...



What a pathetic soap opera. ALL parties involved appear to be greedy and selfish and telling lies to support their agendas. The governnment would be wisest if they just ignored the whole lot of them and spent their time on more important matters.

goldhuntress - 2-14-2012 at 11:18 AM

What a soap opera! You could NOT make this stuff up, :lol: I don't think I could get myself into this kind of cluster... even if I tried!

wessongroup - 2-14-2012 at 11:26 AM

A movie was suggested ... along with voting for who plays who ... we already have a script ... just not the final ending to this story, at this time ... :):)

[Edited on 2-14-2012 by wessongroup]

mtgoat666 - 2-14-2012 at 11:44 AM

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Originally posted by soulpatch
I can't even fathom forming an opinion on this as to "right" or "wrong" from a distance...


come on, everyone is capable of forming an opinion -- knowldge is not even required -- in the words of that greek goddes: "just do it!". i am amazed when public opinion polls find people that are "undecided." how do people go thru life without being opinionated?

XPBRes - 2-14-2012 at 11:55 AM

Notice the date of this email, and at this point he was calling us all HOMEOWERS,

I have emails saying that Mark & Olivia would be gone as far back 2003, I really don't think most of you can understand at all what we went thru. The story onthis board is the same one from back in 2002 when we had both parties telling us the same story they are telling you!!

Notice how quickly Munoz praised me for the truth when it benefited him. Yes it is the wild west in baja and the court system is messed up but people make those issues by not being civil, trustworthy and honest!!!



Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 2:56 PM
Subject: RE: San Buenaventura urgent


Dear homeowners
Narcolivia and Nark Burbey keep trying to go to jail and this time it looks like they are going to get it.
Past September 16, Olivia, other guy and Mark armed with a baseball bat (Mark) and a machete (Olivia), attacked Juan and another of the hotel's employees, they perforated the hotel's van's tire and broke the front window, plus tried to hit Juan on the head from behind, when they were caught stealing another of our signs; of course one of them ended eating dirt and all the others running, plus, we had a lot of witnesses of their criminal actions; we sent our attorney from Mexico city to press charges and he have been there since Thursday and the criminal case against them keep getting fatter; now it is 2 counts of robbery with violence one of them with weapons, 2 counts of damages in private property, violence with intent to kill with a weapon, entering with criminal intent a private property and several others.
Of course we know that the state's public attorney in Mulege was on her side, because the state policemen came to her restaurant regularly, because of their narc activities, but, we went up and twisted their arm a little with the federal police and now he is very interested in prosecuting them, even the state policeman who now became very law abiding policemen.
This week we also expect her to be legally notified of eviction from the federal zone while Nark Burbey now have a fat file in the Mexico's State department and immigration offices, compounded with criminal activities in Mexico.
If we expected her to be out soon, now it will be very soon and if she is smart (she is not, we know fore sure by now) she will go out by herself and will run for the border within a few days of course if she can, because several well motivated policeman are now looking for her and Mark.
Rafael M Munoz

Diver - 2-14-2012 at 12:09 PM

Ramuna must not be a very good attorney or very well connected for this to still be in limbo 8 years later.

Skipjack Joe - 2-14-2012 at 12:26 PM

Frankly I'm suprised at the nomads sitting on the fence.

This is a story of david and goliath. A goliath that's using every ounce of strength to crush his opponent. He's placed all his weight on the opponents head and yet still, miraculously, the cranium holds.

Even if you know nothing of the facts the sheer disproportion of this battle should speak to you.

-------------------------------

Oh, how ramuma wants this land. He can almost taste it now. The greed is sickening.

XPBRes - 2-14-2012 at 12:30 PM

Does anybody out there have any ? as to how Olivia and Marc have supported themselves throughout this. Just utilities, food, employees would be hard to support from the money they make at the beach????

We use to sit around speculating as how Mike did it. Remember planes, boats and cars. Not to mention the buildup on the beach.
Now you add to this the time and money, fines, taxes and lawyers.

HOW DO THEY DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This hasn't been easy on Munoz either. I know his partner is gone I think his marriage too. The hotel is in ruin and the homes are abandoned and in terrible shape.
This once was home to many and a dream paradise to all who visited.

Do you think maybe Karma is a b-tch!!!

mtgoat666 - 2-14-2012 at 12:55 PM

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Originally posted by XPBRes
Does anybody out there have any ? as to how Olivia and Marc have supported themselves throughout this. Just utilities, food, employees would be hard to support from the money they make at the beach????

We use to sit around speculating as how Mike did it. Remember planes, boats and cars. Not to mention the buildup on the beach.
Now you add to this the time and money, fines, taxes and lawyers.

HOW DO THEY DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!


interesting question,...

trust fund from daddy?
savings from job earlier in life?
turtle soup?
smuggling hellow kitty merchandise?

i am sure that nomads will develop many theories!

Woooosh - 2-14-2012 at 01:09 PM

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Originally posted by dtbushpilot
Quote:
Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
With the exception of Woosh, you no longer have any credibility on this board.


I respectfully disagree Skip, I'm not taking ramu's side or even suggesting that I believe his stories. I think I'll wait and see how things play out before I pass judgement.......

I came to the board after the Turtle Soup thread started. Raphael become more active on the board a year or so ago, helping Nomads understand the law when it comes to land titles. More than a few nomads follow that thread and all the questions nomads have raised on the topic have been answered by Raphael (Ramuma53) in great detail, citing specific laws and rules. He spends a lot of time replying and I have learned a great deal on the subject from him. Many of us have. The tone in his answers is the same as the tone he used 10 years ago when writing to XPBres, so I'm leaning towards Raphael being the more constant of the variables.

Most Americans find the ability to land-grab legally in Mexico 2012 tantalizing to say the least. But BCS is less than 100 years old so there is still lots of straightening out to do in the paperwork department and imho this will continue until every piece of land held with sloppy paperwork has been seized and claimed by those with knowledge of the land title laws. It is what it is, but it is not illegal. Same with what Wall Street recently did to the US economy- repulsive, but not illegal.

I still think there are more facts to be revealed and we have still only heard from two people on one side. Raphael and XPBres both posted some documents which is appreciated. Nothing from the other side as of yet, but they didn't start this thread- others did. I do wonder why the Navy is now investigating Olivia for selling Turtle Soup ten years ago. but all is fair in land wars I suppose.

If you think this land battle is news, wait until people see the chunk of land in Rosarito Beach Raphael's group has paid the SRA already for and is waiting for the land title to. That will be most interesting with many more people and properties involved...

Cypress - 2-14-2012 at 01:37 PM

So Wall Street caused the US economy to tank? Learn something every day. Who'd a thunk it.:lol:

Woooosh - 2-14-2012 at 01:55 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress
So Wall Street caused the US economy to tank? Learn something every day. Who'd a thunk it.:lol:

You know the debacle to which I refer... Mortgage Banks, Banks, Wall Street hedge funds, yuk

:saint:

latina - 2-14-2012 at 01:57 PM

In all my days I have never seen ANY lawyer worth a grain of salt slander others and resort to the type of language and name-calling that ramuna does.... What he writes says way more about the kind of man he is than anyone else...

Woooosh - 2-14-2012 at 02:01 PM

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Originally posted by latina
In all my days I have never seen ANY lawyer worth a grain of salt slander others and resort to the type of language and name-calling that ramuna does.... What he writes says way more about the kind of man he is than anyone else...


8-10 years ago was certainly a different time. The drug violence had not started and it was looked upon very differently. Like a pet Lion that got too big and turns on it's masters.

A view from another baja board:

"Mike was running drugs... Olivia was his pin cushion and never had any connection to any cartels.. she is also dumb as a sack of hammers as is Nark/Mark.. Drug money provided the seed money for the place and also the reason the owner kept a plane around after. It was back in the day when drug runners from mexico were considered cool. No headless bodies laying around and all the teenage girls you could boink behind your wifes back. Fun while it lasted except for all the carnage of the innocents... "

mtgoat666 - 2-14-2012 at 02:13 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
A view from another baja board:

"Mike was running drugs... Olivia was his pin cushion and never had any connection to any cartels.. she is also dumb as a sack of hammers as is Nark/Mark.. Drug money provided the seed money for the place and also the reason the owner kept a plane around after. It was back in the day when drug runners from mexico were considered cool. No headless bodies laying around and all the teenage girls you could boink behind your wifes back. Fun while it lasted except for all the carnage of the innocents... "


woooosh:
are you now doing public relations for ram*****?
and what prompts you to post third-hand slander without citing source?
your sure sound like a lap dog of ram*****!

[Edited on 2-15-2012 by BajaNomad]

Woooosh - 2-14-2012 at 02:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666
Quote:
Originally posted by Woooosh
A view from another baja board:

"Mike was running drugs... Olivia was his pin cushion and never had any connection to any cartels.. she is also dumb as a sack of hammers as is Nark/Mark.. Drug money provided the seed money for the place and also the reason the owner kept a plane around after. It was back in the day when drug runners from mexico were considered cool. No headless bodies laying around and all the teenage girls you could boink behind your wifes back. Fun while it lasted except for all the carnage of the innocents... "


woooosh:
are you now doing public relations for ram*****?
and what prompts you to post third-hand slander without citing source?
your sure sound like a lap dog of ram*****!

nothing new in there that Raphael hasn't put in his complaint to the PGR (which was linked earlier). I do respect Ramuma53 (Raphael) for his expertise in real estate law and his patience with these people from what documents have been posted. The point of the post above was that the drug business back then wasn't a big deal. It was the post from XPBRes that states how the local residents always wondered out loud for years where the money came from.

"Ram* ****"? That is the first name calling on this thread. Too bad we never make it through a discussion without it. Yo are a piece of work there Mr. Goat. If Jesse jumps in, you can go another 33 pages on this thread and never get any closer to the truth or an answer- just like "Turtle Bust". If he doesn't come back for this, he never will.

[Edited on 2-14-2012 by Woooosh]

[Edited on 2-15-2012 by BajaNomad]

Burbs - 2-15-2012 at 08:43 AM

I'm back in.

Many things being said are untruths or partial truths about us.
Rafael Munoz Martinez and Juan Ernesto Corona showed at Buenaventura more than ten years ago claiming they was the owners. Olivia and I were north in the San Diego area visiting family. A day before we were to return a call was made from the Italian partners in the hotel that the real owner of Buenaventura was here and they wanted to meet us in Tijuana. Our reply was that whomever it was they could meet us at the beach. When we returned to Buenaventura the employees had been brainwashed by Munoz after he had meet with employees claiming that they had their jobs secure with him. Even better they would be making two or three times as much in pay with Munoz and Corona. They were corrupted with this thought. Munoz and Corona also traveled to Loreto, Santa Rosalia and Mulege introducing themselves as the new owner of Buenaventura. A couple of days later Munoz, Corona and the Italians returned from Tijuana. They all needed to go to Tijuana because they tried to get the sale of the hotel notarized in Santa Rosalia but this was refused by the notary because Olivia a partner in the hotel was not there to agree to the sale. The notary refused to accept the papers because Olivia was a partner in the hotel and she needed to be present and agree. The notary Sergio told Munoz, Corona and the Italians to get Olivia and he could notarize. Somehow a notary in Tijuana notarized the transfer or sale. Maybe the notary in TJ was friends of these characters. The transfer or sale of the hotel is illegal and this illegal transfer or sale is part of our lawsuit against Munoz and Corona. Munoz claimed he owned the land since he was 18 and did not want to take us to court. He wanted us to make him a offer to sell. We met with Munoz and Corona in Ensenada at a stripped out old hotel they said was theirs. The hotel was not theirs. Many unscrupulous characters were hanging around doing nothing. We were brought to a room and seated in plastic beer chairs in a dirty room and the door was closed. After about 15 minutes Munoz and Corona entered. Munoz (wish I had a video) went on about how the property was his and Corona's. Olivia told him it did not matter because she has been living there for an extended time. We told him we wanted three million. We figured about 800,000 for the home leasee's. This 800M figure did not include the hotel. WE said it had to be cash and no payments. Investigating Munoz past we found that he would give some little money down and fail to pay the rest so it would have to be cash. Munoz replied that was ridiculous Juan Ernesto Corona would offer a generous amount of 50,000 dollars. Oliva told Munoz that was not enough to wipe her butt with, and we walked out. While leaving Munoz was saying in a loud voice that we would get nothing then. We said that would be fine and we want to check his property title. Days later we checked on this title he was using #51829 and the number existed, the title did NOT appear authentic and with my printing experience I noticed the signatures were scanned because the shadows of the scans had not been erased. The number of this first title#51829(he has two titles) exists for Veracruz, Mexico. Hmmmm could this be a fake title? Munoz and young thugs from Tijuana have now moved into the hotel and the good feeling for Buenaventura is changing real fast. The thugs were taking beer and cigarettes from our store on the street, saying they would pay for them later but not paying. I just closed the store. Maybe some of you remember the little mini mart on the highway called The Spot. Olivia, Munoz and I met out by our entrance and we told Munoz we would supply the power, and water, but he would have to pay all of the diesel and water costs until this title thing is figured out. Munoz said he would only pay half or we would go out of business. The next day we cut the water and power to the other half of the beach. This all happened about ten years ago.

We gathered evidence and went to La Paz to get a attorney. We were instructed that if the home leaser's were not going to pay and they seemed to side with Munoz, then they needed to be sued individually. We returned to Buenaventura and the persons with the houses had sided with Munoz and given power of attorney to Munoz representing them ALL in court. Now Munoz has corrupted all of the leasers' into giving him authority on their behalf. I'm not sure but I've been told that Munoz had contracts made up for all of them and they were paying Munoz now and not Olivia for the leases. No persons put money in escrow with the courts, they gave Munoz complete authority. When we went to court some of these persons were there sitting with Munoz. Newspapers came and were taking pictures of Munoz and his hand. These were our friends and now this was happening in court. I tried or attempted to get them to believe us with evidence but none would have any of it.
ALL PERSONS SIDED WITH MUNOZ. None sided with Olivia.

Munoz shows papers in court, but now has another title 432947 it looks fuzzy and is hard to read. Two titles for the same property must be better than one! The number exists, but it is for another state in Mexico called Puebla. Holy crap this is what I want to hear. Should be a slam dunk. Nope Munoz claims he has been duped by the officials and he has been fraud. So this is what you do when you titles are not real, claim that the government has fraud you! Our cases go on and on with stall tactics by Munoz and his lawyers for years. A couple of years ago the sentence came in Olivia's favor. At the last moment while the official are entering Buenaventura Munoz's wife Sandra shows up with amparo halting the execution order of the houses being physically awarded to Olivia. Amparo's take awhile and are reviewed by three judges. Munoz lost the amparo and then he would ask for another review stalling more. In November of 2011 officials arrived with police and Munoz's persons here at Buenaventura. Elizabeth Montano and Fernando Blanco were removed. A Munoz lawyer Juaquin Cuesta was present in November when this happened and they were escorted off the property. It has been almost 10 years now since Munoz showed at Buenaventura. The homes are in a real mess. Widows and doors have been removed as well as all the furniture. Most of these items were taken by the Munoz people and sold to the highest bidder in Mulege. People in Mulege were telling us they had NO money and were soliciting items for sale. Munoz was not paying them and this was how they survived. On Feburary 8th persons enter in two vehicles shooting off guns and driving in circles on the beach. One of the houses we were awarded was broken into and ALL of our personal items, pictures and identifications were burned in full view. The rest is what this thread is about.

For these ten years we have been mistreated and abused more than one can imagine. Munoz and his employees have made it very difficult for us to live in peace and run a simple business. It is like we have to live next to a bunch of terrorists. We did not want to take anyone's home or hotel, but we could not allow Munoz to take them either. Now we have stripped homes and a junky hotel to deal with in the future. We are NOT excited about getting all of these structures. We are NOT done with all the lawsuits. Two lawsuits are left and should proceed quickly. We are excited to have Munoz and his misfits of thus society OUT!

In my opinion it was Franca and Roberto Meloni(Italian Hotel Partners) who screwed the home leaser's. The Italian partners screwed us also. They allowed Munoz in the hotel. Olivia pleaded for the Italian partners to wait and investigate the legality of Munoz's papers. Franco and Roberto did not. This set the motion Munoz to go after the homes. After Munoz got in the hotel he tried to take it all. The Italians were not good people. I believe they knew about Munoz and his ways leaving the other Americans to fend for themselves.

The home leaser's picked their side, which was Munoz. As in any poker game sometimes you loose. I did not believe Munoz's bluff tactics. I'm glad to have won the game but leasee's should not be such sore losers. I feel bad that there are persons who harbor hatred feelings and feel like they know it all about Buenaventura. They don't and don't you believe much of what is said. Please base your decisions with such said things about Buenaventura by meeting with us first. Munoz lovers out there you should have spent some time in my shoes.

If everyone would have had better legal advice it would have probably turned out better for them including us. Olivia is a member of the Ejido La Purisma and the ejido has been dividing up properties. Many good things could have happened for the lease's. They all should have at least put their money in a legal court escrow until they really knew who was right and wrong. OUR INTENTIONS WERE NOT TO TAKE ANYONE'S HOUSE OR HOTEL. WE WERE FORCED INTO THIS POSITION TO PROTECT OURSELVES.



Rafael Munoz Martinez has no intentions of winning in court. He will win by intimidation and strong arm tactics. Oh, Mr. Munoz one of your investor friends came by the other day and said he wants his money. Please call your hotel friend if TJ and give him your address so you can pay him back. He's peeed off and wants his money back. Did not have nice things to say about you:(



Ted ******* (Mr. Anonymous), I am sorry you left and lost your house. You could have used some of this energy against Munoz or investigated him. You were rarely here and you do not know me as you say. I disagree with many of your statements and I call you a liar. If your going to make statements about me, at least man up to things and put your name down.


Mark @Buenaventura

[Edited on 2-15-2012 by BajaNomad]

Woooosh - 2-15-2012 at 10:08 AM

According to the story, two of Raphael's men are being held in jail for 30 days, and that is interesting if they did nothing wrong, as Raphael claims.

The way this is playing out we'll have to wait another ten years to see who owns or gets what. It is certainly clear at this point that no one has paid cash for anything. You can't get Federal Zone land by squatting on it either, it is "inperscriptable".

A few people have said this would scare them from Baja real estate. IMHO this debacle has little to do with a real estate transaction where cash and property change hands. It is about a second tier of land manipulators with ALL parties trying to game the system and get something for free. Most of us would never encounter a situation like this in Baja, thankfully.

[Edited on 2-15-2012 by Woooosh]

David K - 2-15-2012 at 10:21 AM

Thanks Mark (if it is you, using a new Nomad name?)!

Burbs - 2-15-2012 at 10:29 AM

Yes Burbs is Mark at Buenaventura. Olivia and I used the past Oliguacamoli. Some of the things said are very upsetting and she prefers to stay out. I will like to be a part of this thread as it concerns us directly.

David K - 2-15-2012 at 10:35 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Burbs
Yes Burbs is Mark at Buenaventura. Olivia and I used the past Oliguacamoli. Some of the things said are very upsetting and she prefers to stay out. I will like to be a part of this thread as it concerns us directly.


Good to see you here Mark... and it was good to meet you back in 2009... Hope to see you guys again next summer!


desertcpl - 2-15-2012 at 11:14 AM

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Originally A few people have said this would scare them from Baja real estate. IMHO this debacle has little to do with a real estate transaction where cash and property change hands. It is about a second tier of land manipulators with ALL parties trying to game the system and get something for free. Most of us would never encounter a situation like this in Baja, thankfully.




I dont really agree with you, how would a Gringo looking at this and other transactions that have taken place in Baja over the years know the difference, didnt some like this happen in Ensensada some time back, I forget what the development was, but Gringos spent alot of money building and then have the Edijo come in a claim ownership

DENNIS - 2-15-2012 at 11:19 AM

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Originally posted by Burbs
Yes Burbs is Mark at Buenaventura.


Verification please. We're a little gun-shy about the nom de guerre around here these days and you're already refering to yourself in the third person.




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[Edited on 2-15-2012 by DENNIS]

David K - 2-15-2012 at 11:22 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by desertcpl
Quote:
Originally A few people have said this would scare them from Baja real estate. IMHO this debacle has little to do with a real estate transaction where cash and property change hands. It is about a second tier of land manipulators with ALL parties trying to game the system and get something for free. Most of us would never encounter a situation like this in Baja, thankfully.




I dont really agree with you, how would a Gringo looking at this and other transactions that have taken place in Baja over the years know the difference, didnt some like this happen in Ensensada some time back, I forget what the development was, but Gringos spent alot of money building and then have the Edijo come in a claim ownership


I believe you are thinking of the Punta Banda incident, and when I talked with people who would know the facts I was told those folks knew they were taking a risk and were willing to take a chance to enjoy the location until the real owners came around... ?? Who knows, right?:?:

David K - 2-15-2012 at 11:24 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by Burbs
Yes Burbs is Mark at Buenaventura.


Verification please. We're a little gun-shy about the nom de guerre around here these days and you're already refering to yourself in the third person.




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[Edited on 2-15-2012 by DENNIS]


Yah, but in the next sentence: "Olivia and I used the past Oliguacamoli" which is correct.

wessongroup - 2-15-2012 at 11:27 AM

More information and/or facts are always welcomed .. IMHO ... either here or in court ..

As this is not court, rather a place to talk about things ... anything... with the board rules duly noted...

The experiences and/or considerations required when buying, owing and/or leasing land in Baja is a very important topic and very helpful .. I know it sure helped us, while down looking at property for a little over a year...

Thanks to ALL ... as it all does help ... :):)

And off topic, what's new... ridge ... thanks that was a really good movie.. I don't speak spanish.. but, still enjoyed the entire movie... the one that always comes to mind for me.. a movie made in Mexico on a shoe string... which was outstanding ...

El Mariachi ... by Robert Rodriguez in 1992

[Edited on 2-15-2012 by wessongroup]

DENNIS - 2-15-2012 at 11:27 AM

Not all true, David. There was stupidity on the buyer's part and collusion on the sellers part. The government was right in the middle of it all. Some of the dispossesed even had Fideicomiso's issued.

David K - 2-15-2012 at 11:29 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Not all true, David. There was stupidity on the buyer's part and collusion on the sellers part. The government was right in the middle of it all. Some of the dispossesed even had Fideicomiso's issued.


The Punta Banda incident?... I am not attempting to explain it, just relating what I was told by one of your neighbors back in 2001. No worries!:yes:

wessongroup - 2-15-2012 at 11:41 AM

"Money will determine whether the accused goes to prison or walks out of the courtroom a free man."

Johnnie Cochran

Read more: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/johnniecoc191515....

XPBRes - 2-15-2012 at 12:21 PM

OK Mark,
Let's go thru the list of lies,

Thad & Lora haven't been gone a season and your showing pictures on Facebook of your new Home.

You never built anything there and the beach is now in ruin.

I was rarely there, when we’re you there when the beach was actually developed, right you weren't.

ALL PERSONS SIDED WITH MUNOZ. None sided with Olivia.

Not TRUE:

Jim & Irma, Alex & Gayleen did not, they just walked away because they trusted you guys.

Did you give them back there investments ($140,000 USD)?

These people never got a chance to be involved Larry & Charmaine, Ron & Teresa, Barry & Mellissa

Liars have a way of exposing themselves, keep going.

I will admit that I was not involved in all of your discussion about the beach but I'm not quite sure how my version of events sounds that much different than yours. Everyone has a point of view that shades their own agenda. Mine is to represent those that are long gone do to this mess. It is funny to me that you are blaming Roberto. If it wasn't for them the improvements to the beach would not have been there for you to now claim, Of course how would you know that you weren’t there for that either.

I will say that we did have to make a decision about who to side with. Do we side with people who we have dealt with for 10 years who have lied about our leases? Stolen from Larry, Ron and the crown jewel Barry & Mellissa. Another home that hadn’t been vacant very long and you moved into and claimed.

PLEASE EXPLAIN:

Why were we in new lease talks when this all began (2001)?

I will be posting our 30year lease signed by all parties.

Mark you are not a victim you’re a participant in this Wild West production.

Ted Clinite

[Edited on 2-15-2012 by XPBRes]

latina - 2-15-2012 at 12:30 PM

Curious...was the partner of Muñoz 10 years ago Juan Ernesto Corona FLORES????? ...named by the Mexican government as a key figure in the Tijuana drug cartel....Whoa Nelly...google him and feel the hair go up on the back of your neck...If it is him, Sr. Muñoz associates with some pretty scary folks....

DENNIS - 2-15-2012 at 12:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Yah, but in the next sentence: "Olivia and I used the past Oliguacamoli" which is correct.


The whole world knows that, David.

mtgoat666 - 2-15-2012 at 12:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by latina
Curious...was the partner of Muñoz 10 years ago Juan Ernesto Corona FLORES????? ...named by the Mexican government as a key figure in the Tijuana drug cartel....Whoa Nelly...google him and feel the hair go up on the back of your neck...If it is him, Sr. Muñoz associates with some pretty scary folks....


the whos who of the drama is interesting, as the corona and munoz stories were endlessly discussed in previous posts on several threads. but the earlier info appears to be google cut/paste jobs repeating all sorts of nonsense mixed with truth. but let's not let facts get in the way of a good story!

elgatoloco - 2-15-2012 at 01:00 PM

I just clicked on this thread and the ad at the top of page says: SOMETHING FISHY. :lol:

Hope no one gets hurt in all this. Mano Negro and one of his buddies bought the wife and I a couple of margaritas about ten years ago at La Fonda and gave me his card good for a free nights stay at one of his many hotels. Need to find that card and collect.:saint:

Woooosh - 2-15-2012 at 01:28 PM

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Originally posted by latina
Curious...was the partner of Muñoz 10 years ago Juan Ernesto Corona FLORES????? ...named by the Mexican government as a key figure in the Tijuana drug cartel....Whoa Nelly...google him and feel the hair go up on the back of your neck...If it is him, Sr. Muñoz associates with some pretty scary folks....

Probably true. Everyone with major land, money or political power in Mexico the past decade has some connection to drug money. (JFK's family made their money largely from selling booze during Prohibition). I guess Carlos Slim is one of the few who did it on his own. The power of the drug cartels fits into the mindset of power in Mexico. By that I mean it's an oligarchy- where the gov't owns everything and the people have to ask or buy everything from the gov't. When the gov't let some groups of people down, the drug lords stepped in to provide for them. That won their allegiance and people see them as no better or worse than the people in power through "elections". If they can help them, they can help them. Same all over the world pretty much. There's no stigma on it down here. The only reason people don't talk about it more openly outside of family is no one is sure who is really in power at a given moment so you don't want to align yourself with one or the other. The dynamic is interesting.

From 2009: http://www2.esmas.com/noticierostelevisa/internacional/ameri...

"The official also said Drug trafficking in Mexico is controlled by five large posters:

1. . - TIJUANA, headed by Fernando Sanchez Arellano, Arellano Felix Enedina Toledo, Eduardo Garcia Simental and JUAN ERNESTO CORONA FLORES.

2. - JUAREZ, led by Vicente Carrillo Fuentes.

3. - Sinaloa, led by Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman.

4. - THE GULF, led by Jorge Costilla Sanchez and Antonio Ezequiel Card##as Guillen.

5. - THE MILLENNIUM, run by brothers Valencia and Diaz Parada, Oaxaca Cartel."

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BajaNomad - 2-15-2012 at 01:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Burbs
Yes Burbs is Mark at Buenaventura.


I'm confirming that Burbs is indeed Mark from Buenaventura.

DENNIS - 2-15-2012 at 01:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Woooosh
I guess Carlos Slim is one of the few who did it on his own.


Well....Salinas may have helped him out a bit when he privatized the country....doncha think?
Besides...where does it say Slim is squeeky clean? He probably has more to do with Mexico's drug nightmare than he even knows.

Woooosh - 2-15-2012 at 01:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by Woooosh
I guess Carlos Slim is one of the few who did it on his own.


Well....Salinas may have helped him out a bit when he privatized the country....doncha think?
Besides...where does it say Slim is squeeky clean? He probably has more to do with Mexico's drug nightmare than he even knows.

Really, you think being granted a telecommunications monopoly helped his bottom line? :) you win.

DENNIS - 2-15-2012 at 01:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BajaNomad
I'm confirming that Burbs is indeed Mark from Buenaventura.


OK....I'll take off my Mengano hat and go about my business. Thanks.

DENNIS - 2-15-2012 at 01:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Woooosh
Really, you think being granted a telecommunications monopoly helped his bottom line? :) you win.




"Granted" may be a bit misleading. Salinas never granted anything to anybody. He's probably still being paid for it.

KurtG - 2-15-2012 at 02:15 PM

Having watched all this from the early days there is only one thing that I can say with complete conviction and that is Mike George made a helluva hamburger. The guy knew how to run a bar/restaurant whether it was the original on the beach or La Casona in Mulege.

desertcpl - 2-15-2012 at 03:29 PM

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Originally posted by elgatoloco
I just clicked on this thread and the ad at the top of page says: SOMETHING FISHY. :lol:

Hope no one gets hurt in all this. Mano Negro and one of his buddies bought the wife and I a couple of margaritas about ten years ago at La Fonda and gave me his card good for a free nights stay at one of his many hotels. Need to find that card and collect.:saint:




it was not for a night only 3 hours

Hook - 2-15-2012 at 05:18 PM

Quote:
Quote:
Originally posted by Woooosh...what Wall Street recently did...not illegal...
Heh. That was a good one.


The sad part is.......he's right. That's why there is still no one on Wall Street, to my knowledge, who went to jail over the selling of those toxic assets.

At the very least, the people bundling those assets and the ratings agencies who declared them sound and the SEC officials who were supposed to police all this should be swinging from a yardarm.

mulegemichael - 2-15-2012 at 05:20 PM

dennis...i even git a knee jerk when an amigo says something even close to critical about someone on this board...please; carlos slim???....don't..please don't...we value your presence here.

mtgoat666 - 2-15-2012 at 05:33 PM

Quote:
Quote:
Originally posted by Hook
Quote:
Originally posted by Woooosh...what Wall Street recently did...not illegal...
Heh. That was a good one.


The sad part is.......he's right. That's why there is still no one on Wall Street, to my knowledge, who went to jail over the selling of those toxic assets.

At the very least, the people bundling those assets and the ratings agencies who declared them sound and the SEC officials who were supposed to police all this should be swinging from a yardarm.


buying and selling securities in US markets is a lot more secure than buying and selling real estate in mexico. if all of our 401Ks and IRAs were in a market like mexican real estate, we would all be toast!

Burbs - 2-15-2012 at 06:18 PM

:!:These are some questions I've been asked to answer in a previous post by TED C.



OK Mark,
Let's go thru the list of lies,

Thad & Lora haven't been gone a season and your showing pictures on Facebook of your new Home.

:!:After 10 years in court in La Paz with over 100 round trips there we were awarded the house you refer to as Thad and Laura. Also Stan's house and your old house was awarded to Olivia. Officials advised us to move into these homes to protect them. This is what we are doing now. We are protecting what is legally ours. -Ted you may have your half finished house back. You will just need to pay some back rent.

You never built anything there and the beach is now in ruin.

:!:Sounds like a Munoz statement

I was rarely there, when we’re you there when the beach was actually developed, right you weren't.

:!:I don't know how to answer this.

ALL PERSONS SIDED WITH MUNOZ. None sided with Olivia.
Not TRUE:
Jim & Irma, Alex & Gayleen did not, they just walked away because they trusted you guys.

:!:Jim an Irma owed a couple of years of rent. They said we had to forgive it or they would turn over the info to Munoz and we would lose everything. I called them on the bluff.

:!:Alex and Gayleen we never heard from........never a email or a note. Nothing

Did you give them back there investments ($140,000 USD)?

:!:Give back, why would that happen. Munoz was the one stirring the pot. How do you come up with such dollar figures.

These people never got a chance to be involved Larry & Charmaine, Ron & Teresa, Barry & Mellissa

:!:Larry and Charmian were told by Olivia and me that when we finish with Munoz they could have their lot. Mike took their money and ran. We would honor what Mike did. The others you mention I do not know of have met.

Liars have a way of exposing themselves, keep going.

:!:Ted, you are a very bitter person.

I will admit that I was not involved in all of your discussion about the beach but I'm not quite sure how my version of events sounds that much different than yours. Everyone has a point of view that shades their own agenda. Mine is to represent those that are long gone do to this mess. It is funny to me that you are blaming Roberto. If it wasn't for them the improvements to the beach would not have been there for you to now claim, Of course how would you know that you weren’t there for that either.

:!:If Roberto and Franca had not let Munoz and Corona into the hotel things might have turned out better for you and us. With them making a moments decision to bail with a 25,000 dollar down from MUnoz and a promise from Munozo pay the rest in payments on a 450,000 sale. I have the papers on this ttransfer-transaction and Roberto and Franco left the rest of us to deal with Munoz and Corona. After the sale Roberto and Franca wrote you declaring what a wonderful person these guys were. I bet Munoz had them write the letter of recommendation so he could screw you easier! Con Munoz. I have been here and for all these 11 years. Olivia and I have been married for eight years and all of our savings and profits have gone to keep Munoz out and away with his falsified documents.

I will say that we did have to make a decision about who to side with. Do we side with people who we have dealt with for 10 years who have lied about our leases? Stolen from Larry, Ron and the crown jewel Barry & Mellissa. Another home that hadn’t been vacant very long and you moved into and claimed.

:!:I was not part of that Mike leases that you claim. The leases had to be straitened out. Your lease is only valid for just less than 10 years. You can have a 30 years lease, but the Mexican courts will only honor just less than 10 years of it. This is done to protect the Mexican with foreign investors. Mike made a deal with you and everyone to pay him 10M dollars and you never have to pay rent again. The Ejido La Puisima said they now needed to be paid something of the rents. We agreed and the rent for the homes was equivalent to other area rents. Of all the persons, you Ted were the one to come out best with this "to good to be true Mike DEAL). Never did you have to pay late fees and never were you applied the cost of living increase. You did not have it that bad. Barry and Melissa had partially built a house. I was told by numerous persons the inherited 250M and spent all their monies quickly. The went broke and sold off their belongings before I came here. Barry and Melissa were notified after I came that they could move into their house, but needed to pay the back rent which was not much. They declined and Olivia wanted me to move into the house. I did invest in materials, finished the electrical and plumbing and walled off and painted the front porch. I do not know why this would bother you so....then or now. When Munoz came he was very threatening and Olivia and I decided to live here by the restaurant.



Liars have a way of exposing themselves, keep going.
:!:Ted, you are a very bitter person.




PLEASE EXPLAIN:

Why were we in new lease talks when this all began (2001)?

:!:See above

I will be posting our 30year lease signed by all parties.

:!:Go ahead. I have most of all your paperwork here in case you need more.

Mark you are not a victim you’re a participant in this Wild West production.

:!:Not sure how to answer this.



Ted Clinite

:!:Thanks for using your name. Man UP!

I will be posting our 30year lease signed by all parties. ???

mcfez - 2-15-2012 at 06:46 PM

Mexico...has 30 year leases? I don't think so Sir.

:Not taken sides here:


Quote:
Originally posted by XPBRes
OK Mark,
Let's go thru the list of lies,

Thad & Lora haven't been gone a season and your showing pictures on Facebook of your new Home.

You never built anything there and the beach is now in ruin.

I was rarely there, when we’re you there when the beach was actually developed, right you weren't.

ALL PERSONS SIDED WITH MUNOZ. None sided with Olivia.

Not TRUE:

Jim & Irma, Alex & Gayleen did not, they just walked away because they trusted you guys.

Did you give them back there investments ($140,000 USD)?

These people never got a chance to be involved Larry & Charmaine, Ron & Teresa, Barry & Mellissa

Liars have a way of exposing themselves, keep going.

I will admit that I was not involved in all of your discussion about the beach but I'm not quite sure how my version of events sounds that much different than yours. Everyone has a point of view that shades their own agenda. Mine is to represent those that are long gone do to this mess. It is funny to me that you are blaming Roberto. If it wasn't for them the improvements to the beach would not have been there for you to now claim, Of course how would you know that you weren’t there for that either.

I will say that we did have to make a decision about who to side with. Do we side with people who we have dealt with for 10 years who have lied about our leases? Stolen from Larry, Ron and the crown jewel Barry & Mellissa. Another home that hadn’t been vacant very long and you moved into and claimed.

PLEASE EXPLAIN:

Why were we in new lease talks when this all began (2001)?

I will be posting our 30year lease signed by all parties.

Mark you are not a victim you’re a participant in this Wild West production.

Ted Clinite

[Edited on 2-15-2012 by XPBRes]

desertcpl - 2-15-2012 at 07:46 PM

Quote:
Quote:
Originally posted by Hook
Quote:
Originally posted by Woooosh...what Wall Street recently did...not illegal...
Heh. That was a good one.


The sad part is.......he's right. That's why there is still no one on Wall Street, to my knowledge, who went to jail over the selling of those toxic assets.

At the very least, the people bundling those assets and the ratings agencies who declared them sound and the SEC officials who were supposed to police all this should be swinging from a yardarm.







YUP I totaly agree with this statement

ELINVESTIG8R - 2-15-2012 at 09:48 PM


XPBRes - 2-15-2012 at 10:05 PM

mcfez,
Please remember there was no nomad or internet when we signed a lease (1991) with Mike & Olivia. We, as I stated earlier, were subleasing from them. This was not a purchase it was a 30year rental agreement. There are at least 7 of these. I know now we were uneducated about this. I have been told there are leases with ejido that are honored at 30 years. So you can see this isn't that clear cut.

I thought that was why this board was here to help.

We went to La Purisima 1993 joining Mike & Olivia to meet with the ejido and the town. We weren’t invited to the meeting but did join the town in there fiesta. This was so that we could get our documents signed and stamped.

This seemed very real to us and again we trusted the parties involved.

As to Mark at least the name calling has gone from liar to bitter, I can live with that.

I do appreciate that you took the time to answer now. Just so you know we held off for a year starting 2002 before we took sides. You had a year to prove your case to us, I don't remember you coming to us with any info. I do remember a new boiler plate lease and then an eviction notice. We paid our rent for 10 years on time. When we did decide to go with Munoz we paid rent to him on time, therfore we were not behind in our rent. You have a lot to say now but once again nothing has changed.

If Mike & Olivia had treated us with respect as we did them maybe we would have tried harder to resist and side with them.

It amazes me that all of us made the same decision not to go with you guys. I know ALL OF US ARE WRONG and you are right and this is all Roberto & Franca fault, and I am bitter and a liar. Almost forget Mike in that list of people to blame.
You and Oli are as pure as the driven snow, now that is bitter.

I haven’t seen to many signing there post with their real names, but I would hope you would MAN UP for Mark from now on.

I didn’t think I was hiding
eX Playa Buenaventura Resident There are only a few of us left.

Just in case you didn't think I was man enough here it is again MARK,
Ted Clinite

[Edited on 2-16-2012 by XPBRes]

[Edited on 2-16-2012 by XPBRes]

[Edited on 2-16-2012 by XPBRes]

mcfez - 2-15-2012 at 10:24 PM

I was NOT tearing you apart ....just inquiring about the story here.....please understand that.

I have gathered great help and information .....here at the BN over the years.....most of us do feed good information...from different perceptions that we each have.

I most certainly would not want to be walking in your shoes right bout now......hang in there.....there is light at the end of the tunnel.


Quote:
Originally posted by XPBRes
mcfez,
Please remember there was no nomad or internet when we signed a lease (1991) with Mike & Olivia. We, as I stated earlier, were subleasing from them. This was not a purchase it was a 30year rental agreement. There are at least 7 of these. I know now we were uneducated about this. I have been told there are leases with ejido that are honored at 30 years. So you can see this isn't that clear cut.

I thought that was why this board was here to help.

We went to La Purisima 1993 joining Mike & Olivia to meet with the ejido and the town. We weren’t invited to the meeting but did join the town in there fiesta. This was so that we could get our documents signed and stamped.

This seemed very real to us and again we trusted the parties involved.

As to Mark at least the name calling has gone from liar to bitter, I can live with that.

I do appreciate that you took the time to answer now. Just so you know we held off for a year starting 2002 before we took sides. You had a year to prove your case to us, I don't remember you coming to us with any info. I do remember a new boiler plate lease and then an eviction notice. We paid our rent for 10 years on time. When we did decide to go with Munoz we paid rent to him on time, therfore we were not behind in our rent. You have a lot to say now but once again nothing has changed.

If Mike & Olivia had treated us with respect as we did them maybe we would have tried harder to resist and side with them.

It amazes me that all of us made the same decision not to go with you guys. I know ALL OF US ARE WRONG and you are right and this is all Roberto & Franca fault, and I am bitter and a liar. Almost forget Mike in that list of people to blame.
You and Oli are as pure as the driven snow, now that is bitter.

I haven’t seen to many signing there post with their real names, but I would hope you would MAN UP for Mark from now on.

I didn’t think I was hiding
eX Playa Buenaventura Resident There are only a few of us left.

Just in case you didn't think I was man enough here it is again MARK,
Ted Clinite

[Edited on 2-16-2012 by XPBRes]

[Edited on 2-16-2012 by XPBRes]

[Edited on 2-16-2012 by XPBRes]

XPBRes - 2-15-2012 at 10:46 PM

Latina,
yes that was Munoz partner, and I have to admit when we were told about him, it was discussed. It did weigh in on the decesion for us to stay or go, and the group split on that. We raised our concerns with a lawyer and ask directly of Munoz.

We have many regrets, most of them have to do with not being more educated, why we trust with out verifacation, and leaving an area that we loved so much and you all share with us.

[Edited on 2-16-2012 by XPBRes]

XPBRes - 2-15-2012 at 10:50 PM

Mcfez,
I hear you and do keep faith in the good people on this board.
i know i'm new to posting but I have lurked since the beginning

Cypress - 2-16-2012 at 05:52 AM

Suppose this whole mess is now in the hands of the Mexican legal system. The lawyers and judges have another "cash cow" to milk.

Pescador - 2-16-2012 at 09:45 AM

Perhaps this story best illustrates what went on in Baja during the "formative years". It was impossible to go to your local bank and get a "Small Business Loan" and lots of businesses and operations were put together with a wing and a prayer. I just finished reading Lou Federico's book about how they financed the hotel at Mulege and then put together a deal for building the hotel at Punta Chivato.
Sounds like the same thing happened here with the start of everything at Playa Buenaventura. Actually I think that Ted Clinite has a wonderful perspective on the whole thing after having lived through the whole mess. The unfortunate part was that people assumed that Real Estate Laws were something that could be counted on to fall back on. They were not and are only a little better at present. While this makes for some really good deals, it also allows the unknown to sneak into transactions and rear it's ugly head, which happens fairly frequently.

It is my impression that also allows people like Munoz to slide in, offer people some small amount of money and try to take over ownership for a fraction of the actual value. Of course he was more convincing than Mike and Olivia and later Mark and Olivia, he is a professional. After following this saga and looking at the sagas at Tijuana, it is obvious, to me at least, that this is his chosen method of operation in most, if not all, of his property dealings. Following that line of thought, he is not above using any kind of chicanery to achieve his goals like "planting turtle soup", accusing the restaurant people of running drugs, charging them with all kinds of nefarious crimes and evil deeds, and generally stirring up the pot at any given chance. He continues to do this in spite of the fact that he seems to surround himself with some very questionable people at all times.

And of course as the story has unfolded, you can not help but have some sympathy for Mark and Olivia who must be wondering where all of this came from. But almost the same stories unfold when you get into the history of Punta Chivato or the early days of Lou Federico at Mulege and Chivato.

So, it is pretty much welcome to the Wild Wild West.

DENNIS - 2-16-2012 at 09:53 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Pescador
Perhaps this story best illustrates what went on in Baja during the "formative years". It was impossible to go to your local bank and get a "Small Business Loan" and lots of businesses and operations were put together with a wing and a prayer.


Still cost prohibitive due to the usurious interest rates. What Mexico needs is for the cartels to open a bank and give reasonable loans. Who wouldn't repay?

Woooosh - 2-16-2012 at 10:15 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by Pescador
Perhaps this story best illustrates what went on in Baja during the "formative years". It was impossible to go to your local bank and get a "Small Business Loan" and lots of businesses and operations were put together with a wing and a prayer.


Still cost prohibitive due to the usurious interest rates. What Mexico needs is for the cartels to open a bank and give reasonable loans. Who wouldn't repay?

Gee Dennis. I don't know how to respond to that. I think the bank "officers" would just kidnap you the next day to get the principle back- and then still collect the payments and interest. ;)

Woooosh - 2-16-2012 at 10:30 AM

It is good that all parties are posting now. It is hard to imagine having gone through this since 1991. The strange part is those are the "glory days" of Baja- when it was still relatively unexplored, life was supposedly simpler, and the spirit of adventure was everywhere. Then you hear what these people went through during that period. It just sucks. period.

And XPBres is correct that with no internet or legal advisers who spoke English they could trust- there was little to verify they were heading the right direction with the right people.

Raphael got more active on this board a year ago, offering legal interpretations of what was going on in land title law allover Baja. We had truly given up in our land battle until he inspired us to continue fighting. So we nomads are all learning about the pitfalls and legalities of Mexican land titles, finally. Raphael was the first person I have met who would share this info. I know you must find him repulsive, but he has helped people like us who were being victimized and didn't have the legal knowledge to know what step to take next. Information can be used for good or evil, we were lucky to be on the good side. Sorry for the loss of your Baja home and so much more you must have lost along the way.

angels4 - 2-16-2012 at 12:31 PM

Don't mean to add more fuel to the fire... But I was just wondering if there was clarification to a post dated 4/15/2009 at 10:29PM in the Turtle Soup story (Page 3) in which Ramuma53 denied being Senor Rafael Munoz. Ramuma53 called himself Eduardo Villa Arellano. I just didn't want to go through 94 pages of postings to see if at some point Ramuma53 stopped being Eduardo and became Rafael Munoz as the later posts claim he is. Did a name change take place to add to his credibility.
Maybe Investigator has the answer to this one... Just being a little curious.
I wish the best to all the affected people in this story and may the truth prevail for all.
-----------------Post from 2009 ------------------
El iNVESTI8 of course I am Mexican by birth and my name is Eduardo Villa Arellano, I will never deny it, just worked hard in American and came back, my main language is Spanish, that fact is not a secret or the point here.
About protecting our houses, you are right because every year our houses get robed in October when we go to America, but armed guards are expensive and that is why we don't do it, but we really need them, that is true.
About calling Mr. Munoz "Mano Negra", it is a disrespect act, but it is because he always use a black glove, because of an industrial accident; also, as I told you, he has never taken anything from nobody here in Buenaventura Beach, just ask the hometenants here.

Burbs - 2-16-2012 at 12:40 PM

This subject on this thread always seem to be turned into a land battle. I feel these criminal things that happened to us are separate from a land dispute. This are the crimes that happened against us.

1. Denied our livelihood of business. Blocking our entrance with rocks and ropes.

2. Shooting of firearms throughout the days for 5 days. I feel fired at or aimed at our restaurant. (at least 50 shots)

3. Threatening us and pointing weapons at us and customers.

4. Discharging firearms at us and customers.

5. Abusing the permit rights to carry firearms.

6. Denying vendors(Tecate, Gaspasa and Barcel) and tourist access. Denying Mark and Olivia to have access to leave or enter. *They did say we could leave by ocean.

7. Denying the Minesteral Publico(state police) access or to enter or obstruction of justice.

8. Assault on Olivia.

9. Breaking and entering of three different properties.

10. Ignoring of previous court orders that the properties we awarded to Olivia.

11. Burning/destroying of our personal belongings. Jewelry, clothes, shoes, money, idetification (passports, drivers license), photos(marriage and family) and anything that meant something to us.

12. Held captive by gun toting persons for 5 days against our will.

These are separate crimes that are different than the dispute for what WE have Munoz and his false papers in court for. Rafael Munoz Martinez and others will try and change the issue. These crimes are different and should looked upon as different crimes. I hope at least the two persons out of the six spend some real time in jail for crimes they blatantly commit.

Rafael Munoz Martinez has not been here in the Mulege area for almost three years. Munoz I ask you to come back here and face the music.

Skipjack Joe - 2-16-2012 at 01:00 PM

Yes, this thread was hijacked a while back at the encouragement of a few nomads but a lot of good information came out of that. And we have a better understanding of how we got here. Although, I don't know if it's just me, I'm still confused.

The assault is, of course, a complete and total disaster for Mr Munoz. If that turtle nonsense wasn't bad enough this has exceeded that folly 100 fold.

Bajafun777 - 2-16-2012 at 01:25 PM

I lost my dream to own property in Baja some time back due to all the horror stories along with a few people that I know who have lived those horror stories.

I now live my dream of living in Baja by leasing and I enjoy my stays soooo much without all the drama, AHHHHHHHH!! Feel for the situations discussed on this matter but again my leasing has taken the horror out of my stays. Mark & Olivia have my prayers that nothing happens to them while facing all these issues. Take Care & Travel Safe----"No Hurry, No Worry, Just FUN" bajafun777

J.P. - 2-16-2012 at 01:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajafun777
I lost my dream to own property in Baja some time back due to all the horror stories along with a few people that I know who have lived those horror stories.

I now live my dream of living in Baja by leasing and I enjoy my stays soooo much without all the drama, AHHHHHHHH!! Feel for the situations discussed on this matter but again my leasing has taken the horror out of my stays. Mark & Olivia have my prayers that nothing happens to them while facing all these issues. Take Care & Travel Safe----"No Hurry, No Worry, Just FUN" bajafun777














































I totally agree Leasing does have its merrits. Unless one is totaly stupid they should know going in that there are limitations imposed on a lease and it probably wont be forever.:cool::cool:

surfer jim - 2-16-2012 at 01:57 PM

....I hear you about the confusion part.....

Skipjack Joe - 2-16-2012 at 02:03 PM

The information that was posted during those 3 pages is so abbreviated that I found it confusing. The information is so summarized that I'm not connecting the dots in some cases.

[Edited on 2-16-2012 by Skipjack Joe]

Hook - 2-16-2012 at 02:43 PM

A hearty thanks to all involved. I am in between books right now and this has gotten me through.

Considering another Bugliosi book, Lullaby and Good Night. This post has whetted my appetite for some good old corruption. Can anyone recommend it?

Skipjack Joe - 2-16-2012 at 02:59 PM

Try "Helter Skelter".

tripledigitken - 2-16-2012 at 03:19 PM

I'm reading "American Tabloid", by James Ellroy lots of corruption.

Pompano - 2-16-2012 at 03:47 PM

This one beats them all, hands down....."Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire"

ramuma53 - 2-16-2012 at 11:37 PM

http://www.revistacomunicandoalmundo.com/index.php/12-estado...

LA PGR investiga nexos de funcionarios de BCS con el crimen organizado

Categoría: Estados
Publicado el Sábado, 11 Febrero 2012 Escrito por Manrrique G.

La procuraduría General de la República, (PGR) mantiene bajo investigación al gobernador de Baja California Sur, Marcos Cobarrubias, el procurador de Justicia del Estado, Gamil Arreola Leal y el subprocurador de averiguaciones previas zona norte, Hugo Galindo Camacho, debido a que son señalados por brindar protección a integrantes del Cártel del Pacífico, principalmente a Olivia Higera, quien cuenta con 14 denuncias penales ante la Subprocuraduría de Investigación Especializada en Delincuencia Organizada (SIEDO), de las cuales ninguna ha procedido.
De acuerdo a la denuncia penal que este viernes interpusieron abogados del empresario, Rafael Muñoz Martínez ante la PGR, Aguilar también es investigada por la Secretaría de Marina Armada de México, por cocinar tortuga de manera ilegal.
Los abogados del empresario señalaron que los actos de corrupción, impunidad, abuso de poder y los nexos de funcionarios del gobierno de Baja California Sur, quedaron al descubierto luego de que –con la complicidad de Olivia Higuera-, el procurador; el subprocurador de averiguaciones previas zona norte; el MP Aloy Aguiar Yee y los comandantes de la Policía Ministerial, Félix Murillo y de la policía municipal Ramón Agundez Ojeda, armaran un operativo en el hotel Playa Buenaventura, sin mostrar ninguna orden de cateo, girada por un juez.

La denuncia presentada por Rafael Muñoz Martínez en la sede de la PGR, señala que elementos de la Policía Ministerial, irrumpieron de manera violenta y tras someter y golpear a los empleados –entre ellos la administradora-, les fincaron responsabilidad penal por los delitos de robo, asociación delictuosa y portación de armas de fuego, pese a que al momento de revisar dos escopetas, se mostraron los permisos originales del registro ante el CINE de la Paz.

Tanto el operativo violento como la detención y consignación de los empleados de Playa Buenaventura en Baja California Sur, se efectuaron antes de que se presentara alguna denuncia por parte de Olivia Higuera, quien además de contar con 14 denuncias penales por diferentes delitos, principalmente por sus vínculos con el crimen organizado, se encuentra bajo investigación de la Secretaría de Marina Armada de México, por cocinar tortuga de manera ilegal.

De acuerdo a la versión de Rafael Muñoz Martínez, tanto Olivia Higuera como el esposo de ésta, Mark Burbey –de nacionalidad estadounidense-, se dedican al narcotráfico en Baja California Sur y pese a que ambos cuentan con denuncias penales en su contra, éstas no han procedido, debido a que gozan de la protección tanto del Gobernador del Estado, Marcos Alberto Cobarruvias Villaseñor, como del procurador de Justicia de Baja California Sur, Gamil Arreola Leal y de otros funcionarios del gobierno del Estado.

El denunciante, declaró que desde el 2009 ha presentado denuncias ante PGR, Secretaría de Marina, SIEDO, CNDH y Semarnat, entre otras instancias federales, debido a que en su negocio de Olivia Higuera, constantemente llegan embarcaciones con cargamentos de droga; sin embargo, hasta el momento, las querellas no han procedido.

Ante tal situación, el empresario Rafael, Muñoz Martínez, luego de presentar la denuncia penal contra estos funcionarios de Baja California Sur, solicitó a la procuradora general de la República, Marisela Morales Ibañez, una exhaustiva investigación contra el procurador de esa entidad, toda vez que existen evidencias de brindan protección a gente ligada al narcotráfico, entre ellos a Olivia Higuera y al esposo de esta, , Mark Burbey.

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THE PGR officials investigating links to organized crime BCS

Category: United
Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2012 Written by Manrrique G.

The Attorney General's Office (PGR) remains under investigation by the governor of Baja California Sur, Mark Cobarrubias, the state attorney general, Gamil Arreola Attorney Leal and north of preliminary investigations, Hugo Galindo Camacho, because they are identified to provide protection to members of the Pacific Cartel, mainly Higera Olivia, who has 14 criminal complaints with the Office of Special Investigations into Organized Crime (OFDI), of which none has proceeded.
According to the criminal complaint filed Friday lawyers businessman, Rafael Muñoz Martinez with the PGR, Aguilar also investigated by the Department of Navy of Mexico, for cooking turtle illegally.
Lawyers for the businessman said that acts of corruption, impunity, abuse of power and links government officials in Baja California Sur, were uncovered after-with the complicity of Olivia Higuera, Attorney, the deputy inquiries previous north, the MP Aloy Aguiar Yee and state police commanders, Felix Murillo and municipal police Agundez Ramon Ojeda, an operating arm themselves at Playa Buenaventura, without showing a warrant, drawn by a judge.

The complaint filed by Rafael Muñoz Martinez in the headquarters of the PGR says that elements of the state police, broke violently and after hitting submit and employees, including manager-fincaron them criminally responsible for crimes of theft , conspiracy and possession of firearms, although when reviewing two shotguns, were the original permits registration with the ISCED Peace.

Both the operation and the arrest and violent appropriation of employees Buenaventura Beach in Baja California Sur, were made prior to the filing of a complaint by Olivia Higuera, who in addition to 14 criminal charges for various offenses, mainly because links to organized crime, is under investigation by the Department of Navy of Mexico, for cooking turtle illegally.

According to the version of Rafael Muñoz Martinez, Olivia Higuera much as her husband, Mark Burbey-American citizen, was engaged in drug trafficking in Baja California Sur and even though both have criminal charges against them, they do not have proceeded, because they enjoy the protection of both the Governor of the State, Marcos Alberto Villaseñor Cobarruvias, and the attorney general of Baja California Sur, Gamil Arreola Leal and other state government officials.

The complainant stated that since 2009 has filed complaints with PGR, Department of the Navy, SIEDO, NHRC and SEMARNAT, among other federal agencies, because Olivia in business Higuera, boats constantly arriving shipments of drugs, but so far, no complaints have proceeded.

In this situation, the employer Rafael Muñoz Martinez, after filing a criminal complaint against these officials in Baja California Sur, asked the Attorney General of the Republic, Marisela Morales Ibañez, a thorough investigation of the governor of that state, since there is evidence of providing protection to drug-related people, including Olivia Higuera and her husband, Mark Burbey.

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ramuma53 - 2-16-2012 at 11:55 PM

For all Nomads
So you understand Mexico a little more

At this time, the BCS Governor MARCOS ALBERTO COBARRUVIAS VILLASEÑOR, the Estate District Attorney GAMIL ARREOLA LEAL, the North Zone District Attorney . HUGO GALINDO CAMACHO, the Mulege District attorney ALOY AGUIAR YEE and the Santa Rosalia Judge have applied all their power to try to keep my employees in jail and they have succeeded up until this very second making the Mexican constitution a joke, trying to charge them with stealing my own property and they detained them without a court order; you can say that this is a power show by Olivias friends. A show in favor of organized crime

AT THIS TIME I CAN TELL YOU, THAT EVEN WITH ALL THAT POLITICAL POWER, MY EMPLOYEES WILL BE FREE BY TOMORROW NOON WITHOUT ANY CHARGES AND ALL MY PROPERTY RETURNED WITHOUT CONDITIONS.

Then I will continue until the North Zone District attorney who as an accomplish with Olivia Higuera Aguilar and Nark Jerome Burbey, and who together violated every law there is in Mexico, I will continue until they all are in jail and federally prosecuted. Also I will tell you that I will succeed in freeing them and jail the perpetrators.

A lot of people think this is impossible, well at this time, it certainly looks like it is, but, by tomorrow noon, we will see my employees free and I will start with the prosecution until they are in jail.

This will not be a power show; it will be a house cleaning; because if we do allow this kind of actions by judicial authorities to happen in Mexico, nobody will be secure in their own persons and properties.

Rafael M Munoz
http://www.oem.com.mx/elsudcaliforniano/notas/n2430884.htm

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ramuma53 - 2-17-2012 at 12:01 AM

DENUNCIA DE HECHOS

C. Dr. Lorenzo Gomez Hernández
Director Atención Ciudadana
Secretaria de Gobernación
Presente

Rafael Munoz Martínez, en ejercicio de mi propio derecho, señalando como domicilio para oír y recibir todo tipo de notificaciones y escritos, el ubicado en Avenida Francisco del Paso y Troncoso numero 317-A-1 Colonia Jardín Balbuena delegación Venustiano Carranza, México D.F. C.P. 15900, autorizando como mis representantes legales a los C.C. Lic. Jorge Luis Piedras Guerrero, Dr. Alberto Cándido Sánchez Pichardo, Joaquín Cuesta Romero ante usted con el debido respeto comparezco, para denunciar los siguientes hechos que a mi parecer constituyen un delito.

El día 9 de Febrero del 2011, me comunico la esposa de mi licenciado y apoderado legal en la ciudad de Mulege B.C.S. Joaquín Cuesta, que tanto el licenciado como la gerente de mi hotel y apoderada, junto con todos los empleados de mi hotel, habían sido detenidos por la policía ministerial y que los tenían incomunicados en la ciudad de Santa Rosalia municipio de Mulege Baja California Sur.

Es el caso que hasta horas después dejaron salir al licenciado Joaquín Cuesta después de declarar que él se encontraba en mi hotel como licenciado a cargo de las denuncias penales que tenemos contra la Sra. Olivia Higuera Aguilar y el norteamericano Mark Jerome Burbey, habiéndolo retenido ilegalmente y sin decirle cuales eran los cargos, sin orden de autoridad competente y por qué se habían introducido en una propiedad privada a detener a todo el personal de un hotel turístico en operación bajo el supuesto cargo de Delincuencia Organizada.

Cabe hacer mención que mi propiedad está amparada por título de propiedad numero 432949 expedido en base al expediente de Terrenos Nacionales 142524 inscrito ante el Registro Público de la Propiedad y el Comercio de la ciudad de Mulege B.C.S. bajo número 340 volumen 78 sección Primera del 30 de Julio del 2008, con antecedentes de propiedad que datan de 1971 y titulado desde 1992 y mi hotel ha estado en operación legal desde 1994.

Esta propiedad privada, cuenta con certificado de libertad de gravámenes expedida en Diciembre del 2011 así como los permisos de la autoridad competente para operar como hotel desde 1994.

Es el caso que al dejar salir al C. Lic. En derecho y Contaduría Joaquín Cuesta me narro los siguientes hechos:
“la policía ministerial comandada por el C. Félix Murillo había ido a la playa aproximadamente a las 12 de la noche, les exhibió las armas y los permisos correspondientes, los ministeriales entraron en vehículo al restaurant de Olivia y duraron más de una hora con ellos, después se retiraron al poblado de Mulegé.
El día 8 de febrero, arribo a la playa el Comandante delegacional de la policía municipal, C. RAMON AGUNDEZ OJEDA, a quien lo recibió Alan pidiéndole información de lo que estaba haciendo, le dio un tour por los límites de la playa y les exhibió las DOS armas, le mostro que estaban descargadas y que los tiros a cuando menos dos metros de distancia, además le permitió ver los permisos originales del registro ante el CINE de la Paz, B.C.S.
El miércoles 8 de febrero 2012, aproximadamente las 8 pm arribo un vehículo a la playa intentando ingresar con Olivia, Alan acudió a ver de quien se trataba y los atendió, se trataba del Subprocurador de Averiguaciones Previas de la Zona Norte C. Lic Hugo Galindo Camacho y un acompañante, de lo comentado por Alan dijo que le pidieron quitar las rocas para entrar y no lo permitió, por lo que solo les autorizo ingresar con Olivia en forma peatonal, es preciso indicar que en ese momento estaba lloviendo, estuvieron con Olivia aproximadamente una hora, al salir salieron con documentos en una bolsa de plástico, diciéndole a Alan QUE ANDA MUY LEJOS DE ECATEPEC.

En el operativo de ayer 9 de febrero, la policía ministerial apoyada por los policías municipales, no exhibieron orden alguna, entraron con lujo de violencia, Alan me comento que lo golpearon en la cabeza y que pretenden inculpar a Juan de tener en su mano la escopeta, situación que no fue así, según lo relatado por Alan, ambos fueron sometidos por la fuerza y luego esposados.

Lamento no poder decirle más de los hechos ya que estos los conozco por los comentarios que me decía Alan, él es quien conoce los hechos completos, pero se encuentra incomunicado y el en CERESO de Santa Rosalía”.

Acto seguido entro a hablar con el Sub Procurador LIC. HUGO GALINDO CAMACHO a cargo del caso, le reclamo la detención sin orden de autoridad ni cargos en su contra o de los demás detenidos, a lo que el citado Sub Procurador solo contesto que le había ordenado la detención al AGENTE MINISTERIO PÚBLICO DE HEROICA MULEGE LIC. ALOY AGUIAR YEE por órdenes del Procurador General de Justicia de Baja California sur LIC. GAMIL ARREOLA LEAL y del Gobernador de Baja California Sur MARCOS ALBERTO COBARRUVIAS VILLASEÑOR sin más explicaciones dejando incomunicados a todos los demás detenidos y sin siquiera saber los motivos de la detención y sin siquiera mediar denuncia previa formal, por delitos que aun en ese momento se desconocían.

Cabe hacer mención, que la futura en ese momento denunciante, tiene varias denuncias penales del fuero común y federales, que nunca la procuraduría ha completado y que han sido denunciadas hasta la Presidencia de la Republica sin resultado alguno.

Antecedentes:
Desde hace años que venimos teniendo el problema de que a través de mi terreno, se realizan desembarcos que aparentemente son de drogas, en el Restaurante El Sargazo, propiedad de María Olivia Higuera Aguilar y el norteamericano Mark Jerome Burbey que se encuentra ilegalmente en la Z.F.M.T. colindante con mi propiedad, mismo que inicialmente se denuncio al C. Agente del Ministerio Público Federal de Santa Rosalía B.C.S. así como la venta abierta de bebidas Embriagantes y comida hecha con especies protegidas (Caguama) en la Zona Federal Marítimo Terrestre ilegalmente (AVE. PREVIA. A.P. 34/SR/2003), sin ningún resultado, más que el mismo Agente del Ministerio Público Federal tratara de detenerme por supuestamente haber puesto una sombrilla en la playa colindante con mi terreno, poniéndome plantón con la intención de detenerme, hechos que se denunciaron ante el C. Jefe de Averiguaciones Previa de la PGR en La Paz B.C.S. donde se me tomo declaración y archivo definitivamente dicha Averiguación.

De la misma manera se denunciaron esos hechos al C. Agente del Ministerio Público del Fuero Común adscrito a Mulege B.C.S. sin ningún resultado más que se le avisara a la denunciada, la cual desde entonces se ha dedicado a atacarnos de todas las maneras que ha podido, hechos que se han denunciado ante el mismo Agente del Ministerio Público del Fuero Común formalmente en 10 Averiguaciones Previas por los delitos de Intento de asesinato, Robo, Robo a mano armada, lesiones, daño en propiedad ajena, falsedad de declaración ante autoridad y ataque a nuestros huéspedes, por lo que el Norteamericano, C. James Rusell Hicks huésped nuestro, la denuncio por lesiones que ponen en peligro la vida, tardan más de 15 días en sanar y dejan cicatriz permanente por un ataque a su persona con machete en dicho restaurante; todo esto consignado en la Averiguaciones previas números 14/ MGE/ 04, 28/ MGE/ 04, 24/MGE /05, 47/MGE/05, 45/MGE/06, 167/MGE/06, 99/MGE/08 radicadas en La ciudad de Mulege, Baja California Sur, las cuales consisten en:
a.- Averiguación previa numero 14/MGE/ 04 presentada por mi administrador del Hotel Buenaventura, que en esa época tenía, el cual contaba con un poder notarial de administración de mi parte, C. JUAN ANTKON TORRES, por el delito a daño a las cosas, en contra de los CC. María Olivia Higuera Aguilar y Mark Burbey ya que todo el tiempo hemos sido víctimas de estas personas provocado diversos daños en mi propiedad, presentando en la misma denuncia todos lo elementos necesarios que acreditaron el delito, tal como lo marca el código penal, contestando el agente del ministerio publico que dicha averiguación previa fue consignada ante el juzgado de la partida judicial de santa Rosalía, B. C.S. en fecha 14 de abril del 2005, una vez enterado el suscrito que ya había sido consignada me presente ante el juzgado de santa Rosalía, para conocer en que parte del proceso se encontraba mi expediente, y contestándome el juez, que se había regresado a la Agencia del Ministerio público, por falta de una diligencia, y esa diligencia era una fe ministerial de lugar, la cual no se realizo en ningún momento, así fue como regrese a la Agencia del Ministerio Publico, antes mencionada para que se realizara dicha diligencia, visitándolo en varias ocasiones y manifestándome que tenía mucho trabajo, que se haría cuando se desocupara, regresando meses después de esa fecha y aun el Ministerio publico no tenía la respuesta a mi expediente.
b.- Averiguación previa numero 28/MGE/04 presentada por el suscrito por del delito de daño a las cosas en contra de los CC. María Olivia Higuera Aguilar y Mark Burbey, ya que seguía siendo objeto de las agresiones y daños a mi propiedad por parte de estas personas, misma averiguación previa que se encuentra según me manifestó el Agente del Ministerio Público, sin consignar, solicitándole a mi Abogado en ese momento que consignara el expediente, contestando el Agente del Ministerio publico de ese momento que si lo haría, razón por la cual nosotros volvimos a confiar que mencionada institución trabaja conforme a derecho, esos es solo lo que el suscrito a reclamado de esa Agencia y sin tener respuesta alguna como a pasado con todo y cada una de las denuncias presentadas.
c.- Averiguación previa numero 45/MGE/05 denunciante mi administrador y poderdante C. JUAN ANKRON TORRES por del delito de daño en propiedad privada, en contra de los CC. María Olivia Higuera Aguilar y Mark Burbey la cual fue consignada según el agente del ministerio publico el día 21 de marzo del 2006, la cual también se regreso, a la misma Agencia del Ministerio público, por lo que pregunto por el expediente mi Abogado, para revisar y coadyuvar con el Agente del Ministerio público, para que se volviera a consignar, siendo imposible que mi Abogado lo revisara en ese momento ya que el expediente no lo encontró el mencionado funcionario en su oficina.
d.- Averiguación Previa numero 167/MGE/06 denunciado el suscrito por el delito de daño en las cosas en contra del los CC. María Olivia Higuera Aguilar y Mark Burbey teniendo los mismos resultados de los expediente anteriores, todas se regresaban del juzgado por falta de actuaciones del Agente del Ministerio Público, y como el suscrito y mi Abogado radicamos fuera confiamos en la BUENA FE, SIENDO LA INSTUTICION PERSECUTORA DE LOS DELITOS, EL MINISTERIO PUBLICO COMO BIEN LO MARCA LA LEY, pero en este caso, yo solo he recibo por parte de esa Agencia y de sus diversos Agentes, que han pasado por esa partida solo promesas de actuar conforme a derecho de los cuales me he dado cuenta, que no a sido así, ya que al preguntar por mi expediente, no saben en donde se encuentran los expedientes, manifestando ellos que se encuentran consignadas dándonos como lo describí anteriormente las fechas de consignación que se encuentra descrita en el libro de gobierno que lleva esta Agencia, y preguntando en el Juzgado de la Partida Judicial de Santa Rosalía B. C. S.

El dia 16 de Febrero, el C. Procurador de Justicia, publico declaración en la que afirma tener a mis empleados detenidos por despojo y robo agravados, habiéndolos detenido al asegurar UN PREDIO, Sin embargo, no existe ninguna orden de autoridad competente para asegurar ningún predio y menos el de mi propiedad, con lo que se demuestra el ilegal proceder del C. Procurador basado en sus propias palabras declaradas ante la prensa escrita, adjuntando la nota periodística tal como apareció en prensa; así mismo es falso que haya despojo, ya que mis empleados fueron detenidos dentro de mi propiedad, la cual está completamente legalizada y formalmente inscrita, así mismo si se les detuvo en mi propiedad, es imposible el robo agravado, ya que cuentan con formal poder general mío para actos de administración, pleitos y cobranzas.

Así mismo, el C. Agente del ministerio Público del fuero común en Mulege, se niega a entregar los vehículos de mi propiedad, lo que constituye un robo de vehículo, vehículos que tiene en su poder y no fueron inventariados, pretendiendo cobrar a mi representante treinta mil pesos por devolverlos.

Mis empleados hasta este momento, continúan arraigados por no decir secuestrados en un franco abuso de autoridad en apoyo a una narcotraficante conocida.
Como esto a mi muy leal saber y entender es una arbitrariedad de la autoridad, que constituye abuso de autoridad, daños en propiedad ajena, daño a las cosas, daños morales, allanamiento de morada, robo de vehículos, secuestro y otros que por el momento escapan a mi entender.

POR LO ANTERIOR, COMPAREZCO EN TIEMPO Y FORMA EN EL EJERCICIO DE MIS DERECHOS CONSTITUCIONALES A CON TODO EL RESPETO QUE MERECE LA AUTORIDAD A PEDIR:
1.-Se inicie averiguación previa federal en contra del C. Sub Procurador zona norte de justicia del estado de Baja California Sur Hugo Galindo, por los delitos que pudieran constituir los hechos anteriormente narrados.
2.- Se inicie averiguación previa federal en contra de el Agente del Ministerio Público del Fuero común adscrito a Mulege B.C.S. y los agentes de la policía ministerial del estado de Baja California Sur, por los delitos que pudieran constituir los hechos anteriormente narrados.
3.- Se lleven a efecto las diligencias necesarias a efecto de que esa Representación Social Federal integre debidamente el cuerpo del delito y la probable responsabilidad del o los delitos en materia federal o local que surjan de lo anteriormente vertido.
Protesto lo necesario.
A la fecha de su presentación


Rafael Muñoz Martínez

C.C.P. C. Presidente de la Republica Mexicana.
C.C.P. Secretario de Gobernacion.
C.C.P. C. Procurador General de Justicia.
C.C.P. Medios de difusión
C.C.P. Procurador de los Derechos Humanos

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ramuma53 - 2-17-2012 at 12:34 AM

Mr. Ted Clinite
Why don't we remember why you sided first with me at Playa Buenaventura.

You did it together with all the other residents, because Olivia was extorting money from all of you and you were mad about that and you did it because Olivia was ready to throw you all out.

Then you went against me, when I asked you to help the Federal Police who would be using your house for a few days to watch Olivia’s Restaurant for drug unloading while trying to pass as tourist vacationing at your house.

When you knew that they will be watching Olivia, you denied your permission and just never returned to Buenaventura.

I wonder why a person deny helping Federal authorities in the drug wars and then never return without any explanation leaving all thier belongings back for years.
Why were you afraid????????

After that, the narks knew about the federal presence and the operation had to be cancelled; that information was available only to very few people and we did the mistake of making you one of them.

You say that you were there since 1991, and then you must know about George Michael, the past Olivia’s husband, who had boats and planes and a lot of money from drug runs from Sinaloa and ended up leaving Oliva for a 16 year old girl long and ended up leaving Oliva for a 16 year old girl long before Nark arrived hiding from American authorities for not paying child support.

Also you must know Mr. and Mrs. Christ who were robbed by Michael George and Olivia and who made a formal complaint and obtained a court order against them, to return the stolen money to them; also you must know they were charged and legally condemned for fraud against them but never returned a penny even with the court order.

Why then if you know all of that, you condone Olivia's actions now?????? Are you planning on returning??????

elgatoloco - 2-17-2012 at 12:41 AM

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Originally posted by ramuma53
DENUNCIA DE HECHOS

C. Dr. Lorenzo Gomez Hernández
Director Atención Ciudadana
Secretaria de Gobernación
Presente

Rafael Munoz Martínez,

I got it.
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REPORTING FACTS

C. Dr. Lorenzo Gomez Hernandez
Director of Citizen
Secretary of the Interior
Present

Rafael Munoz Martinez, exercising my own right, indicating an address to hear and receive any notices and writings, on Avenida Francisco del Paso y Troncoso number 317-A-1 Colonia Jardín Balbuena Venustiano Carranza, Mexico City C.P. 15900, authorizing and my legal representatives to the CC Jorge Luis Guerrero Piedras, Dr. Candido Alberto Sanchez Pichardo, Joaquin Cuesta Romero to you with due respect I appear to report the following facts which I think is offensive.

On February 9, 2011, I contact my lawyer's wife and legal representative in the town of Mulege BCS Joaquin Cuesta, both the lawyer and the manager of my hotel and empowered, with all employees at my hotel, had been arrested by judicial police and the city were cut off in the town of Santa Rosalia Mulege Baja California Sur.

The fact is left out for hours after the lawyer Joaquin Cuesta after declaring that he was in my hotel with a degree in charge of the criminal charges we have against Ms. Olivia Higuera Aguilar and American Mark Jerome Burbey, having illegally retained and without saying what were the charges, without a warrant and why they had entered private property to arrest everyone in a tourist hotel operating under the assumption by Organized Crime.

It is worth mentioning that my property is covered by title number 432949 issued on the basis of National Land Record 142524 registered with the Public Registry of Property and Commerce of the town of Mulege BCS volume 78 number 340 under section First of July 30, 2008, with a history of property dating from 1971 and called my hotel since 1992 and has been in legal operation since 1994.

This private property has non-encumbrance certificate issued in December 2011 and the permission of the competent authority to operate as a hotel since 1994.

This is the case that leaving out the C. Bachelor in Accounting Joaquin Cuesta right and I narrated the following facts:
"Ministerial police led by C. Felix Murillo had gone to the beach at about 12 o'clock at night, and displayed the weapons and permits, the ministry entered the restaurant car of Olivia and lasted over an hour with them, then retreated to the town of Mulege.
On February 8, arrived at the beach the borough commander of the municipal police, C. Agundez OJEDA RAMON, whom he received information from Alan asking what he was doing, gave a tour of the limits of the beach and showed them the two weapons, we showed that they were unloaded and the dead at least two meters away also allowed to see the original permits registration with the ISCED Paz, BCS
On Wednesday, February 8, 2012, approximately 8 pm arrival to the beach a vehicle trying to enter with Olivia, Alan went to see who he was and attended, it was the Attorney for Preliminary Investigations of the Northern Zone C. Lic Hugo Galindo Camacho and a companion of the comments of Alan said he was asked to remove the rocks enter and not allow it, so only authorize them to enter with Olivia in a pedestrian, it is noted that at the time it was raining, were with Olivia about an hour, came out with documents in a plastic bag, telling Alan THAT FAR FROM ECATEPEC ANDA.

In the operation yesterday February 9, the ministerial police supported by municipal police, did not exhibit any order, entered with extreme violence, Alan told me he was beaten in the head and was intended to accuse John of having in his hand shotgun, which is not so, as reported by Alan, both were put down by force and then handcuffed.

Sorry I can not tell you more of the facts since they know them by the comments that Alan told me he is one who knows the full facts, but is held incommunicado and in Santa Rosalia CERESO. "

Then I go to speak to the Assistant Attorney LIC. GALINDO CAMACHO HUGO handling the case, we claim the arrest without a warrant or charges against him or the other detainees, whereby said Assistant Attorney replied that he had only ordered the arrest PUBLIC MINISTRY AGENT LIC MULEGE HEROIC . YEE AGUIAR ALOY by order of Attorney General of Baja California Sur LIC. Gamil ARREOLA LEAL and the Governor of Baja California Sur MARCOS ALBERTO COBARRUVIAS VILLASEÑOR incommunicado without explanation, leaving all the other detainees without even knowing the reasons for the detention without prior formal complaint mediate even for crimes that even then were unknown .

It should be mentioned that the future at the time complainant has several criminal charges of common law and federal prosecutor who never completed and have been reported to the President of the Republic no avail.

Background:
For years we have been having the problem that through my terrain, landings are made seemingly drug, the Sargasso Restaurant, owned by Mary Olivia Higuera Aguilar and American Mark Jerome Burbey found illegally ZFMT adjacent to my property, it was initially denounced the C. Federal prosecutor in Santa Rosalia BCS and the open sale of alcoholic beverages and foods made with protected species (Loggerhead) the illegal Federal Maritime Zone (PRE Ave. AP 34/SR/2003), without any results, more than the same Federal Public Prosecutor tried to arrest me for allegedly having put an umbrella on the beach adjacent to my land, putting sit with the intention of stopping, facts that were reported to the C. Previous Chief of Investigations of the PGR in La Paz BCS where I definitely took that statement and file Inquiry.

Just as these events were reported by C. Prosecutor assigned to the Common Law Mulege BCS but no result was reported to warn, which has since been dedicated to attack us in every way he could, facts that have been reported to the same Public Prosecutor of the civil courts in 10 formally by Preliminary Inquiries the crimes of Attempted Murder, Burglary, armed robbery, injury, damage to property, false statement to authority and attack our guests, so the American, C. James Russell Hicks guest ours, denounced by injuries threatening life, take over 15 days to heal and leave permanent scars an attack on him with a machete in the restaurant, all this Preliminary investigations recorded in the numbers 14 / MGE / 04 28 / MGE / 04 24/MGE / 05 47/MGE/05, 45/MGE/06, 167/MGE/06, 99/MGE/08 located in the town of Mulege, Baja California Sur, which include:
a. - Preliminary investigation number 14/MGE / 04 by my manager at the Hotel Bonaventure, who at that time had, which had a power of attorney on my side management, C. JUAN TORRES ANTKON for the offense to damage to things, against the CC. Maria Olivia Higuera Aguilar and Mark Burbey all the time because we have been victims of these people caused various damages on my property, presenting the same claim all the necessary elements that credited the offense, as it marks the penal code, answering the agent the public prosecutor that the preliminary investigation was handed over to the court of the judicial game Santa Rosalia, B. C.S. as of April 14, 2005, the undersigned heard once that I had already been recorded this before the court of St. Rosalia, to know where in the process was my record, and answering me the judge, who had returned to the Agency of the prosecutor, for lack of diligence and faith that disclosure was a ministerial place, which was not carried out at any time, so it was back to the Public Ministry, mentioned above for the holding of this proceeding, visiting him several times and had a lot of work manifesting, which would vacate when, returning months after that date and even the Public Ministry had no response to my file.
b. - Preliminary investigation by the number 28/MGE/04 signed by the crime of damage to things against CC. Maria Olivia Higuera Aguilar and Mark Burbey, as it continued to be subjected to attacks and damage to my property by these people, very preliminary investigation found as I said the Public Prosecutor, without recording, and asked my lawyer the time that it appropriate the record, answering the Public Prosecutor at the time than if I would, which is why we returned to that institution trust that works according to law, these are only subscribed to what the Agency claimed that without any response as yet and passed each of the complaints.
c. - Preliminary investigation number 45/MGE/05 my manager and principal complainant C. JUAN TORRES ANKRON for the crime of damage to private property against the CC. Maria Olivia Higuera Aguilar and Mark Burbey which was appropriated by the public prosecutor on 21 March 2006, which also return to the same agency of the prosecutor, so I ask my lawyer to file for review and assist the Public Prosecutor, for a return to record, it is impossible that my lawyer to review it at that time because the record did not find that official in his office.
d. - Preliminary Investigation number 167/MGE/06 denounced the undersigned for the crime of damage to things against the CC. Maria Olivia Higuera Aguilar and Mark Burbey have the same results of the previous record, they all returned from court proceedings for lack of Public Prosecutor, and as the undersigned and my lawyer trust we take root outside the GOOD FAITH, BEING THE persecuting INSTUTICION THE CRIME, THE PUBLIC MINISTRY AS WELL AS BY LAW, but in this case, I have only received by the Agency and its various agents, who have been through this game promises to act only according to law of which I realize that not been the case, since asking for my file, do not know where the records, stating that they are recorded as described above giving the dates of entry that is described in the book government bearing the Agency, and asking the Court of Judicial Item Santa Rosalia B. C. S.

The day on February 16, the C. Attorney General, public statement claiming to have my employees arrested for theft and aggravated robbery, arrested habiéndolos secure a property, however, there is no order of any competent authority to secure land and less than my own, with thus demonstrating the illegal action of C. Attorney based in their own words declared to the press, enclosing the newspaper article as it appeared in the press, so it is false that there dispossession, because my employees were arrested inside my property, which is fully certified and formally registered, likewise if they are stopped on my property, it is impossible to aggravated robbery, as they have formal power of attorney for acts of my administration, litigation and collection.

Likewise, the C Public prosecutor general jurisdiction in Mulege, refuses to deliver the vehicles on my property, which is a stolen vehicle, vehicle is in possession and were not inventoried, pretending my representative collect thirty thousand dollars per return.

My employees so far, still rooted if not sequestered in a frank abuse of authority in support of a drug dealer known.
As this is my very best knowledge and belief is an arbitrary authority, which constitutes abuse of authority, property damage, damage to things, moral damage, burglary, car theft, kidnapping and other for the moment beyond my understanding.

THEREFORE, I stand TIME AND FORM IN THE YEAR OF MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS TO WITH ALL THE RESPECT YOU DESERVE THE AUTHORITY TO ORDER:
1.-federal criminal investigation be initiated against the C. Assistant Attorney justice northern state of Baja California Sur Hugo Galindo, for offenses that would constitute the facts above narrated.
2. - Federal criminal investigation be initiated against the Public Prosecutor attached to the Common Jurisdiction Mulege BCS and ministerial police of Baja California Sur, for offenses that would constitute the facts above narrated.
3. - Was put into effect the measures necessary in order that the Federal Public appropriately integrated the corpus delicti and probable guilt of the offense or offenses in federal or local level arising from the above release.
Objection necessary.
At the date of submission


Rafael Muñoz Martinez

C.C.P. C. President of the Mexican Republic.
C.C.P. Secretary of the Interior.
C.C.P. C. Attorney General.
C.C.P. Media
C.C.P. Human Rights Ombudsman

ELINVESTIG8R - 2-17-2012 at 04:26 AM



Rafael, remember you gave me your word you would keep the road open for them. I guess that promise is no longer good.

Now, there are legal weapons you provided to a person or people who do not know when to properly deploy them. This is a serious and dangerous breach of power. The courts are where disputes are carried out, not with guns! Or did I miss something in the why the weapons were being fired?


kangaroo court?? society's morals??

mtgoat666 - 2-17-2012 at 07:28 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by ramuma53
For all Nomads
So you understand Mexico a little more

At this time, the BCS Governor MARCOS ALBERTO COBARRUVIAS VILLASEÑOR, the Estate District Attorney GAMIL ARREOLA LEAL, the North Zone District Attorney . HUGO GALINDO CAMACHO, the Mulege District attorney ALOY AGUIAR YEE and the Santa Rosalia Judge have applied all their power to try to keep my employees in jail and they have succeeded up until this very second making the Mexican constitution a joke, trying to charge them with stealing my own property and they detained them without a court order; you can say that this is a power show by Olivias friends. A show in favor of organized crime

AT THIS TIME I CAN TELL YOU, THAT EVEN WITH ALL THAT POLITICAL POWER, MY EMPLOYEES WILL BE FREE BY TOMORROW NOON WITHOUT ANY CHARGES AND ALL MY PROPERTY RETURNED WITHOUT CONDITIONS.

Then I will continue until the North Zone District attorney who as an accomplish with Olivia Higuera Aguilar and Nark Jerome Burbey, and who together violated every law there is in Mexico, I will continue until they all are in jail and federally prosecuted. Also I will tell you that I will succeed in freeing them and jail the perpetrators.

A lot of people think this is impossible, well at this time, it certainly looks like it is, but, by tomorrow noon, we will see my employees free and I will start with the prosecution until they are in jail.

This will not be a power show; it will be a house cleaning; because if we do allow this kind of actions by judicial authorities to happen in Mexico, nobody will be secure in their own persons and properties.

Rafael M Munoz
http://www.oem.com.mx/elsudcaliforniano/notas/n2430884.htm

[Edited on 2-17-2012 by ramuma53]


rafael:
i don't think many care one way or another what your result in court may be. i think that many readers, like me, have already determined that you and your opponent are both morally wrong, you both deserve each other, and the only victims here are your former tenants like XPBER.

rafael, there is no civilized society where your armed siege is acceptable. even if your kangaroo courts lets you slide on that one, you committed a very big wrong when you did that.

latina - 2-17-2012 at 08:20 AM

ramuna, your posts do nothing to help me "understand Mexico a little more", but they do highlight a disorder commonly known as "grandiosity"...

coconaco - 2-17-2012 at 09:09 AM

Definition:

Term used to describe larger-than-life feelings of superiority.

Grandiosity is often experienced by those in a manic episode; it can also be a symptom of narcissistic conditions, such as narcissistic personality disorder.

ramuma53 - 2-17-2012 at 09:21 AM

El Gatoloco
Sorry but that is part of the problem, I have no court case against me, every one is already closed in may favor, no court order exist asgainst me or even a court case open: that is why they are acting with abuse of power, because the legal system ruled against them.

XPBRes - 2-17-2012 at 09:51 AM

Sr. Munoz,

I think you have made my point to this board as to why we have not returned.

You have added a lot of information to my post that I did not state. I need to revise my statement as to our entry date it was 1992. I have reviewed our documents and that is when we 1st signed our lease.

Yes you did ask us to let you use our home for your investigation, and we were uncomfortable doing this. You then accused us of siding with Mark & Olivia, as you do very quickly with anyone who disagrees with you. Then you told us we were not welcome back. I was also informed that you had entered our home anyway.

I want to say that we were working at that time and we had other financial responsibilities and not able to be at the beach back then. We are not retired as was the case of the homeowners that were there then.

Your ? as to why we were afraid. Well, I think that was 2005 and what has changed since then?

Homes robbed, accusations, army, navy, federal police, local police and armed men with guns.

Thanks for that picture of PARADISE!!!

ramuma53 - 2-17-2012 at 10:20 AM

Elinvestigator
I can say you are one of the most respected Nomads.

Since you always tell what you think and have no sides, I respect and admire your impartial posture and your comments for me mean, that people have the wrong idea.

The road was open, but then Olivia started to use that not legally obligated consent to robe and destroy my property.
The hotel boat is gone, all my security equipment was robbed by Mark, My manager belongings, personal generator and even family photos stolen by Olivia who even had the cynicism to use her cloths in Mulege and make fun of her.

We are dealing with cynic criminals; I cannot keep fighting them with one arm tied on my back and only with a law book against hardened criminals.

As many of you know, we have a drug unloading problem in Olivias restaurant El Zargazo and armed people, invade the beach from time to time and we have always had legal weapons on the hands of my security people, guns with Army permits, obtained legally and for the purpose of protecting my employees and guests.

Olivia on the other side, unload drugs every 20 days with armed crooks during the night while those illegal activities have been witnessed by Navy intelligence and Federal police intelligence with no apparent results to this day. If you believed the press when they attacked me, you must know it now that they are uncovering Olivia’s ties to Organized crime; You can check Mexico’s national news and you will find that every federal agent know of her activities since years ago and she is well known as La Vaquera, a member of the Pacific cartel.

She personally, that day, fired a chemical weapon against my security people who caught her during the night on the hotel grounds carrying hotel property together with Nark< she ran to the bridge firing the illegal pepper spray to avoid being caught with the stolen property and while being attacked with the chemical weapon, my people fired to the sky, and restrain was well exercised or Olivia would not be here today among the living. They exercised proportional force and even less than proportional, because my guards suffered physical harm while Olivia was only grabbed and she jumped to the water to escape being caught in the act and armed with illegal weapons.

My people will return today to the hotel and I am no longer asking them to use less than proportional force against Olivia, from this day I will order the strict exercise of proportional force and full protection of my property, while forbidding them the use or presence on any part of my property and we will do it using the full force of the law, absolutely no concessions and that mean, they will no longer be allowed to even cross my property.
They must now remember that people during the night do not know one weapon from another and if they are caught again in my property, they will be detained as the convicted criminals they are and using all the legal and necessary force to catch a criminal during the act.
They have legal and clear ways to go to the road without crossing my property, crossing my property is the most convenient for them, but not the only way, so from now on, she will have to go to the road in the way she can, not the most convenient to her.

I do not have to concede any but any convenience way for crooks and I think I took a long time to reach this position that is completely legal and according to the actual situation, on the light of her attacks on the persons who allow her convenient ways to operate an illegal business with the cover of a legal restaurant that after all, is not that legal because she was caught on the act of selling protected species as soap.

I tried to act beyond civilized people, but against crooks like Olivia and Nark, you have to act with the full force allowed by the law and this is what start today, because of the unprovoked recent attacks perpetrated by her, and helped this time by organized criminal public officials.

This will certainly not end when my people is freed today as promised, we will go all the way until the public officials are disallowed to act as public official and go to jail and I mean the North zone district attorney . HUGO GALINDO CAMACHO and the Mulege District attorney ALOY AGUIAR YEE who is even trying to extort money from me to do what he is obligated by law.

We cannot allow public officials to act in an open and cynic support of organized criminals like Olivia and Nark or we will end living on the jungle.
My next actions will be to actualize my already existent denounce against those public officials before the Federal Police and Public officials supervision office while at the same time press hard the Estate district attorney to prosecute Olivia for all her crimes and I will not stop this time to do civilized gestures or political concessions, this time justice will be served to the end.
On the property, the guns are being returned to my security people and will be used according to the law to protect my property in full, sorry but the velvet gloves are off, now only the steel fist of the legal ways remain.

Woooosh - 2-17-2012 at 10:21 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by XPBRes Yes you did ask us to let you use our home for your (drug running) investigation, and we were uncomfortable doing this.


I can understand not wanting to be part of an undercover drug operation. XPBres posted earlier the residents wondered out loud for years where the money was coming from. So it would seem XPBres had few doubts the drug-running charges could be true, he just did not want to be part of the investigation. He also bailed out very fast, so he didn't want to be around when it went down for some reason.

I do wonder what the next steps are towards resolution. It's still clear as mud to me, but eventually the water will clear.

[Edited on 2-17-2012 by Woooosh]

Diver - 2-17-2012 at 10:24 AM

How do you know they were't just uncomfortable with strangers in their house, period ?
You assume to much - and all siding with Ramuna these days.

I don't claim any opinion about their situation but I can recognize an uncultured bully when I see one.

Woooosh - 2-17-2012 at 10:28 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Diver
How do you know they were't just uncomfortable with strangers in their house, period ?
You assume to much - and all siding with Ramuna these days.

I don't claim any opinion about their situation but I can recognize an uncultured bully when I see one.

I don't know what they were thinking, I only note their actions. That is not an assumption, it is an observation based on their statements.

Diver - 2-17-2012 at 10:28 AM

1. Do we really think that if Mike and Marc and Olivia had been "known" drug runners for all these years, they would not have been caught yet ?

2. Do we really think that if Ramuna owned the property, with all his power and connections, he would not have possession by now ?

Just askin' ....
.

Diver - 2-17-2012 at 10:32 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Woooosh

I don't know what they were thinking, I only note their actions. That is not an assumption, it is an observation based on their statements.


No, they said they were uncomfortable with these guys staying in their house.

They did not say that they had any knowledge of any drug running by anyone.

You added that part yourself; you made an assumption.
Wherein did you "observe" anything else ?

.

[Edited on 2-17-2012 by Diver]

Woooosh - 2-17-2012 at 10:51 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Diver
Quote:
Originally posted by Woooosh

I don't know what they were thinking, I only note their actions. That is not an assumption, it is an observation based on their statements.


No, they said they were uncomfortable with these guys staying in their house.

They did not say that they had any knowledge of any drug running by anyone.

You added that part yourself; you made an assumption.
Wherein did you "observe" anything else ?

[Edited on 2-17-2012 by Diver]


Go back and read the posts carefully Diver. XPBres said the PB residents wondered out loud for years where all the money was coming from, not me. Money falling from the sky perhaps? They suspected it and said so. It looks like the place cleared out when the drug investigation was about to come down.

Raphael says the concesion Olivia had was 3000M2 with a restaurant on it. A for-profit concession (enterprise) is 30 pesos per m2 per month (not per year). So that would be 9000 pesos per month for the past six years- a total of 648,000 pesos or about $49,000 USD. You think the payments are current and that concession still valid?

I don't know who is right or wrong here. I do know Raphael helped us with legal advice for our concession when we were in the right. It does not mean he is right this time, but I'm not going to throw him under the bus while it is him that is posting all the documents to defend his position.

So Diver, Where did the money come from?

ramuma53 - 2-17-2012 at 11:03 AM

Now that you take the issue of the former tenats.

They started as tenants when Olivia was acting as the hotel employee and Roberto Melony help.
She being left alone by Roberto, abused as always her position and using money from the hotel, paid the Federal Zone concession and put it on her personal name and that is called a fraud.

Then she and her husband Michael George, started of offer land to Americans like Ted Clinite, Stan Valentine, Mr. and Mrs. Christ and others.

She then made a contract with the Ejido La Purisima, who rented her part of the ejido, starting on the Km. 94.5 while my property end exactly there and while the Hotel is located on Km. 93.8, south of that border line and this is a fact accepted even by the Ejido La Purisima.

She proceeded to offer my property as part of the Ejido Property rented by her, lying to the Americans.
Stan Valentine put up $250,000 dollars to build his house and the restaurant never knowing that Olivias was lying to him about not being the owner of the land she was offering him, using as crime tool the Ejido contract.

As you see, she was perpetrating a fraud against Americans.

Later with their money, she bought boats and even planes and started with her husband Michael George to bring hoars and drugs from Sinaloa. Those were the golden years.

Of course the business boomed and her expectations also, now she considered the idea to steal the land and become land owner.

The Americans witnessed all this illegal actions and some were part of it if not partners.

When Roberto told me was no longer able to pay me his rent and returned the building to me, I returned to Buenaventura and found Olivia in her own business and I refused to participate on her business, stopping her and then she started her attacks.

Of course Roberto was a smart guy and made her sign before a Public notary a letter saying she was not the owner of any part of the hotel or grounds.

That suspected partnership by some of the former tenants was evident, too much money was owned by Olivia to them to be part of any rent agreement.

When I arrived, Olivia was trying to extort money from all of them and trying to get their houses not respecting the verbal agreements among them and they learned that she gave them the wrong land, part of a private property, not ejido land, knew that because they checked all my documents and property titles themselves and through their attorneys.

In other words, I saved them from Olivias fraud and they started to pay me rent, all of them.

Mr. and Mrs. Christ had also given big amounts of money to Michel Gerorge and Olivia to build a house that never came to being, they went to court and showed the fraud committed by Olivia, obtained a ruling to recover their money and demonstrated Olivias fraud, the ruling came in to force but was never enforced by the public officials, allowing Olivia her first fraud with impunity.

She of course liked it and started her attacks on me and my property to try to grab my property and she has been doing it since that day.

The last American Mr. Thad went away when he knew the Federal Police was looking for Olivia's American partners, while Ted Clinite went away without explanation when the police asked to use his house as a cover operation point.

Mr. Stan Valentine died there, at his house and never recovered a penny from Olivia and telling every people who wanted to know, that he had bought even the pool table on Olivia’s restaurant. To make a case worst, when he died, her partner stole his money and left the hotel personal with the job of finding a burial place, carrying him on the back of the hotel pick up for 2 days until we were allowed to bury him for free because his family didn’t want to pay for his burial: latter they sent some money to make a provisional burial and never wanted to make a decent burial place for him, telling me to allow him to be sent to the common burial, something I didn’t allow and he is today buried in the Mulege cemetery in his personal burial place.
Now, it would be interesting to allow them to fill the lines between mine.

mtgoat666 - 2-17-2012 at 11:18 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Woooosh
So Diver, Where did the money come from?


and where does rafael's money come from? how does he pay his hotel "employees" when hotel apppears to be closed or at least has no customers? where did money come from to hire the hotel staff arrested last week? who bought the arms/ammo? where did money come from?

it is silly for people to assume that every idle person is a drug smuggler. if that was the case, it would appear that the majority of nomads living baja are smugglers

:lol::lol:

DENNIS - 2-17-2012 at 11:22 AM

Jeeeezo....this thread has morphed into the "imaginations gone berserk" mode. It needs to be shot and cremated.
Be merciful....do the right thing. :cool:

mtgoat666 - 2-17-2012 at 11:33 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Jeeeezo....this thread has morphed into the "imaginations gone berserk" mode. It needs to be shot and cremated.
Be merciful....do the right thing. :cool:


story kind of reminds me of the old "dukes of hazard" show, except no one in this baja drama is photogenic.

wessongroup - 2-17-2012 at 11:50 AM

Used to watch them from my porch ... diving for coke and smack which was being moved up the coast for its ultimate jumping off point .. the border ..

That was in the day light, in the evening, the Coyotes started pushing people out of van's into pangas .. also headed north ...

Don't know about "this" location ..... but, there are a few around... :):)

The guys that walked our compound ... carried rifles and pistols ... as did the Military who used to spend some time wandering around, usually around 12-14 guy's with weapons and a humvee up the hill with a 50 cal ... two busts in one year for pot, around three tons, plus couple of pangas that were stopped before they got off... one bunch ended up on South Coronado Island ... afoot

Interesting part of the economy ... which many live in or very near by ... daily

XPBRes - 2-17-2012 at 12:08 PM

I know that Mark feels like his thread has been derailed. He made some statements about us and I think some are valid. The one that really hurt is that we can have our half-finished home back if pay our back rent. Below are pictures of our home 1992 and then 2001. Anyone that has had palapa style home on the beach would have to agree that a 3bedroom 3 bath 2000 sq ft house is not bad. Do I think my home is a work of art or complete, hell no. We thought we had a lot more years ahead to complete the interior. We looked forward to every visit and a new project completed.

Whoooosh and Diver,
We did wonder about money and what it takes to keep a beach community thriving. Mike ran generators 12 hrs a day or more. That alone was a good chunk of change. In his defense the Italians were helping and of course we contributed. The purchase of new lots generated some money. Since Mike has left and taken most that with him, how is the beach for the last 10 years been supporting itself. My ? was to say Hamburgers & Beer just don’t seem to generate that kind of money.

Most of all I hope all can see why this situation is so hard to see clearly as to sides, winners, owners and victims. We all participated in this mess and if anything is clear there are no winners!!!!!!!!

2001 PB.jpg - 47kB

XPBRes - 2-17-2012 at 12:11 PM

Here is 1992 on of happiest memories, there were only 2 homes on north side of the beach.

Spring 1992 (2).jpg - 44kB

Woooosh - 2-17-2012 at 12:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Jeeeezo....this thread has morphed into the "imaginations gone berserk" mode. It needs to be shot and cremated.
Be merciful....do the right thing. :cool:

we haven't even gotten to the Turtle Soup again yet Dennis.
:saint:

Lobsterman - 2-17-2012 at 12:34 PM

Mr Munoz,

Good for you. I hope you put all those crooks both public officials and criminals in jail. I've wanted to have a retirement staging area in Mulege/BOC for the past 25 years. I'm a simple fisherman who loves the type of fishing there, the seclusion and weather. But for the past ten years or so my interest has waned due to the every increasing crime that the public officials allow to happen or are a part of. My good friend Greg lost his place in Coyote a few years back which Pompano is aware of. This board has been covering up these events for their own personal reasons. I do not care for any of them due to their hidden agendas (home sales, businesses, bed & breakfast, etc). They do not want bad news at our expense.

I use this board to gather info to help me plan my retirement. I'm now retired and hoping to once again visit mexico and enjoy the fishing environment I once enjoyed for over 20 years. I've saved quite a bit after 40 years of fulltime employment and would love to spend it in Mulege.

So you have my congratulations for trying to clean up the area with your gloves off. You are making Mexico a better place for the silent majority not the twisted ones with a hidden or criminal agendas. When the smoke clears I'll be one of your first paying customers of your hotel in Buenaventure.
Dennis

Cypress - 2-17-2012 at 12:51 PM

Lobsterman,:lol:
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