BajaNomad - BEV's, Hybrids and/or Independent Solar in Baja

Quote: Originally posted by Ateo

I got 2 $7500 credits!!!! Sorry US taxpayers!

GREAT, thank you for participating in reducing greenhouse gases!

Spend $10 Trillion dollars and reduce the gases by 1.7%

Great plan!

surabi - 6-29-2024 at 12:52 AM

Californico did offer a $7,500 Rebate to full time Califonico citizens (must be able to prove it).

I think you mean a full time California resident, not citizen. There's no such thing as being a state citizen, nor any such thing as being a full time citizen. Citizenship is a federal status.

[Edited on 6-29-2024 by surabi]

JDCanuck - 6-29-2024 at 07:17 AM

We have now had early model mass production EV's on the market for 15 years now. It's about time those enterprising Baja mechanics get their hands into repairing and upgrading the earlier models they can now bring down very cheaply.
While the improvements over those 15 years have been mind blowing, the future looks even more promising as R & D accelerates and the basic battery storage has already increased in range by at least a factor of 4 (the first Leaf had a meager 75 mile EPA range when it was first produced) and at the same time drastically boosted the longevity. I expect to see a whole new underground industry slowly develop around repair, upgrade and maintenance of EVs in Baja. Multiple sights are already available on youtube on how to track down faulty cells and replace them at very low cost, bringing those batteries back to 70-80% of initial storage. They seem to be lagging at present.

oxxo - 6-29-2024 at 08:13 AM

Californico did offer a $7,500 Rebate to full time Califonico citizens (must be able to prove it).

I think you mean a full time California resident, not citizen. There's no such thing as being a state citizen, nor any such thing as being a full time citizen. Citizenship is a federal status.

It all depends on your personal perspective and semantics, If you are talking about holding a passport to a specific dis-United State, you are correct. However, there is such a thing as a State citizen by definition in its most simple form "A legal status and relation between an individual and a state that entails specific legal rights and duties." I am a legal citizen of the State of California because I now maintain my permanent residence there, I pay State taxes there, I am registered to vote there, I have a California driver's license, I can legally have an abortion there (the State is not specific about gender) and many other "legal rights and duties." Therefore, I consider myself a citizen (small letter "c") of the State of California.

mtgoat666 - 6-29-2024 at 08:17 AM

Californico did offer a $7,500 Rebate to full time Califonico citizens (must be able to prove it).

I think you mean a full time California resident, not citizen. There's no such thing as being a state citizen, nor any such thing as being a full time citizen. Citizenship is a federal status.

California, greatest state in the union! :thumbup:

oxxo - 6-29-2024 at 09:02 AM

California, greatest state in the union! :thumbup:

Some have argued that it is the greatest state in the world! especially when you factor in annual average climate, cultural diversity, recreational opportunities, progressive agenda, etc. We may not be the greatest state in the world but we, as a state, are certainly the leader into the future. Californico is a happenen' place.

Wouldn't it be interesting if Baja California and B.C. Sur asked to be annexed by California Alta? No, that will never happen officially, but it is beginning to happen practically, just look at BajaNomad. Los Cabos is now being referred to as "Baja Beverly Hills", I will be eating some of those Driscoll Strawberries grown in San Vicente, today, Some of the fish sold in local grocery stores were swimming in Baja waters a couple of days ago, etc.

Tioloco - 6-29-2024 at 09:20 AM

California, greatest state in the union! :thumbup:

The progressive agenda is what is killing the state.

Your conceited view of California is telling. Not a good look for you. And as for a certain leading presidential candidate being dumb- I think you have some self reflection to be done.

As for electric vehicles- how about we eliminate the subsidies and let the market drive what works? Oh yeah, we already know how that would go. Same route of the solar companies. (Think Titan Solar)

Great to be alive in this time of those wanting to pay for their wish list with other peoples money. Ultimate grifters.

JDCanuck - 6-29-2024 at 10:26 AM

For those who are interested in getting the highest EV range out of a slightly used EV, here is a real world comparison of the actual mixed but mostly hiway driving ranges in the real world done 5 yrs ago until they died:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH7V2tU3iFc

Mercedes : 194 miles = 312km
Audi : 206 miles = 331km
Nissan : 208 miles = 334km
Jaguar : 223 miles = 358km
Kia : 255 miles = 410km
Tesla : 270 miles = 434km

I find the tested Kia the biggest surprise, as it was apparently the cheapest of the group new, is optimized for city rather than highway driving and got 94% of the range of the long range Tesla model 3 in this test. Whats more, the Kia looks to have the best minimum ground clearance for Baja driving at 5.9 inches (same as the Leaf), but of course was the least luxurious.

[Edited on 6-29-2024 by JDCanuck]

mtgoat666 - 6-29-2024 at 10:34 AM

California, greatest state in the union! :thumbup:

The progressive agenda is what is killing the state.

Your conceited view of California is telling.

Where do you live? Arizona? Lo siento!

David K - 6-29-2024 at 11:05 AM

Goat, the connection is the name 'California', and we three states of California, represent differences as much as equal-ness.
Two states are in the United Mexican States and one is part of the United States of America.
No need to unify different regions... as independence and uniqueness should be free right of the people who were born to live there or joined with those born there to enjoy that places uniqueness.

surabi - 6-29-2024 at 12:09 PM

As for electric vehicles- how about we eliminate the subsidies and let the market drive what works?

How about we eliminate the subsidies to the oil and gas industry and let the market drive what works?

"First, let’s consider just the direct subsidies for fossil fuel production—money that flows directly from the government to fossil fuel companies to support activities like exploration, extraction, and development. A conservative estimate from Oil Change International puts the U.S. total at around $20.5 billion annually, including $14.7 billion in federal subsidies and $5.8 billion in state-level incentives. A whopping 80 percent of this goes to oil and gas (with the rest supporting coal), and most of the subsidies are in the form of tax deductions and exemptions and other “obscure tax loopholes and accounting tricks” that result in massive avoided costs for fossil fuel producers."

Tioloco - 6-29-2024 at 02:53 PM

As for electric vehicles- how about we eliminate the subsidies and let the market drive what works?

Good and accurate response @Surabi And TioTaco may respond about "the cost of tea in China." He/She is always caught with making stuff up and never responds to a direct question. He/she always deflects because he/she is unable to provide an answer.

oxxo- you may need to go back to the convenience store you are named after.

I will answer this directly. I am against subsidies for oil as well. But you are not honest enough to admit that the oil industry would thrive regardless of our corrupt politicians giving them sweet deals for kickbacks. We need oill and gas because.... IT WORKS!

Electric cars are a gimmick by the progressive leaders to get more $$$ in their pockets by convincing rubes like you that they are saving the planet.

Funny how you have the same attitude as the other left wing extremists that have been brainwashed to believe they are on some moral high ground when all of us can see how hypocritical you really are.

Enjoy your electric car. I dont care if you buy 10 of them. But I know they aren't even close to ever being capable of doing what the ICE vehicles already do. Now go brag to your friiends at the local Sprouts market about how great your electric golfcart did getting you thru that pot-holed California road without hitting a homeless person.

JDCanuck - 6-29-2024 at 02:54 PM

Anytime a company (like Rivian) has more in debt than assets, they are a prime candidate for bankruptcy relief at their debtor's expense.

I think you missed or misunderstood this part:

Rivian has 9 billion left in cash, 2/3 that amount in total debt. I didn't bother including their assets, as I thought that would be sufficient to show how far away from bankruptcy they are. At end of Mar this year, PB ratio was 1.35. That indicates it's total assets minus liabilities are very positive and high and is without including VW input . For comparison, Teslas PB ratio sits at 9.69'which by most measures is high. The automotive manufacturing sector's average is 7.9

[Edited on 6-29-2024 by JDCanuck]

oxxo - 6-29-2024 at 03:18 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K

Goat, the connection is the name 'California', and we three states of California, represent differences as much as equal-ness.
Two states are in the United Mexican States and one is part of the United States of America.
No need to unify different regions... as independence and uniqueness should be free right of the people who were born to live there or joined with those born there to enjoy that places uniqueness.

In general David, I agree with you, but things are definitely changing in Baja in the 20 years I have been totally immersed in Baja. Perhaps not so much in the isolated places where you tend to hang out, but definitely in the urban areas from small pueblos to urban centers.

Alta California is as much a two State region as is Baja. Alta California is split between Western (coastal) California and Eastern (agriculture and Sierras) California. The Coast Ranges are kind of the dividing line. There is even a petition for the Eastern half of California to form a new State, called Jefferson. Every time it comes up for a vote it gets around 20% yes votes, far from a mandate! :no:

The same can be said of Baja California. I can say definitely that the Mexicans who live in Baja are completely different than those who live on the mainland, having interacted with both on their "home turf" on many occasions. I have had some talks with my Baja Mexican friends, many of them minimum wage people who I prefer, they feel safe being honest with me, and they think most (but not all) of the gringos coming from the US and Canada, both tourists and residents, are perfectly fine and are welcomed here, they don't bring an attitude with them in general. However, they save their worst criticism for the Chilangos and Tapatios from the mainland who are now invading their homeland, they say, "como cucarachas". Even some of the Baja children tell me they prefer to speak and practice in English so they can get the best jobs in Baja. I understand that you won't see this in the isolated areas you prefer, at least for the foreseeable future.

So, in the future, I believe Baja and California will remain in their separate countries. But in the future, Baja and California will continue to become closer and closer in culture, economy, interdependence, aspirations, goals and objectives, and even language. We gringos have more in common with them than their compatriots on the mainland. And I believe this will be good for both we and them to determine our individual destinies.

For Bonus Points, what is the most common last name in California right now (HINT - the answer depends on what qualifications are considered)?

[Edited on 6-29-2024 by oxxo]

Tioloco - 6-29-2024 at 03:56 PM

And right on cue, personal attacks and conclusions based on opinion with no supporting evidence.

You have not answered my question. Where did you get these figures: "Spend $10 Trillion dollars and reduce the gases by 1.7%" Either answer the question or it is obvious you just made it up.

Where is the personal attack?

Obviously $10,000,000,000,000 was sarcastic to show how absurd the spending is.

No American dollar amount will be enough to offset the rest of the world when it comes to gross polluters. But you keep telling yourself the mines in Indonesia and Africa and elsewhere are carbon neutral so you "feel" good with your justification for toy cars that dont work for building America and Mexico.

Again, electric cars have a place. Just like a Honda Civic fills a need. But the ICE is what makes the world go round and that isnt going to change any time soon.

If it makes you feel any better, I will try to remember to let the waiter/waitress know tonight that I prefer to not have a straw with my drink. I am doing my part to save the planet.

Cheers, love

Tioloco - 6-29-2024 at 03:58 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K

The same can be said of Baja California. I can say definitely that the Mexicans who live in Baja are completely different than those who live on the mainland, having interacted with both on their "home turf" on many occasions. I have had some talks with my Baja Mexican friends, many of them minimum wage people who I prefer, they feel safe being honest with me, and they think most (but not all) of the gringos coming from the US and Canada, both tourists and residents, are perfectly fine and are welcomed here, they don't bring an attitude with them in general. However, they save their worst criticism for the Chilangos and Tapatios from the mainland who are now invading their homeland, they say, "como cucarachas". Even some of the Baja children tell me they prefer to speak and practice in English so they can get the best jobs in Baja. I understand that you won't see this in the isolated areas you prefer, at least for the foreseeable future.

So, in the future, I believe Baja and California will remain in their separate countries. But in the future, Baja and California will continue to become closer and closer in culture, economy, interdependence, aspirations, goals and objectives, and even language. We gringos have more in common with them than their compatriots on the mainland. And I believe this will be good for both

For Bonus Points, what is the most common last name in California right now (HINT - the answer depends on what qualifications are considered)?

[Edited on 6-29-2024 by oxxo]

For the Bonus Point..... SANCHEZ?

surabi - 6-29-2024 at 04:37 PM

We gringos have more in common with them than their compatriots on the mainland.

Say what? You seem to think their "compatriots on the mainland" consist of Tapatios and Chilangos.

Those may be the majority of mainland Mexicans who can afford to travel and vacation in Baja, but those big city Mexicans are not anywhere near the majority of the population of Mexico.

Mainland Mexico has a population of approx. 123 million people. Of those, Mexico City has a population of 22.5 million and Guadalajara has 5.5 million.

That leaves 94 million people who live in mainland Mexico who are not Tapatios or Chilangos.

To say that Baja Mexicans have more in common with gringos than with mainland Mexicans is ridiculous.

BTW, the Mexicans in my area of the mainland don't like Tapatios either. :-) It isn't a Baja thing. It's a "They think they're hot chit" thing. A Mexican friend of mine who grew up in Guadalajara said she moved from there because "they're a bunch of brats". (Although of course you can't paint an entire population with the same brush- I've known lots of Tapatios who are perfectly nice people.)

oxxo - 6-29-2024 at 05:23 PM

For the Bonus Point..... SANCHEZ?

Very close but no cigar! I do refer to ALL of us who live in California as Californicans!

JDCanuck - 6-29-2024 at 05:44 PM

Over complexity is driving the medium to major problems on EV's causing returns to dealers for repair work. But some EV's still have fewer problems than the average IC vehicle, notably Kia

oxxo - 6-29-2024 at 05:45 PM

Of course you are right @Surabi but the point I was making is that, for the most part, Mexicans come into more contact with Gringos than they do with Mexicans from the mainland other than Tapatios and Chilangos, ON A DAILY BASIS. Consequently, they have more in common with those Gringos just in terms of familiarity. I have found a surprising number of Baja Mexicans who have never been to the mainland. They have come from a long lineage of Baja natives, born and bred there. I do ask my local friends if they could go anywhere on the mainland or to anywhere in California, 9 out of 10 will pick California because many already have relatives in California and they don't know anyone on the mainland.

But yes, Mexico is a complex country with many diverse cultures, all of them interesting and valuable. Baja is probably the most isolated of these cultures because of ocean water, for better or worse. Consequently, in my opinion, they have a unique and different relationship with those living on the mainland and more "internalized" as a result of their geography.

oxxo - 6-29-2024 at 05:52 PM

Okay Garcia, I suspect the immigrants are outdoing the emigrants named Smith

Okay, you guys are dancing all around the right answer, but you are in the right ethnicity.

oxxo - 6-29-2024 at 05:58 PM

Over complexity is driving the medium to major problems on EV's causing returns to dealers for repair work. But some EV's still have fewer problems than the average IC vehicle, notably Kia

I just checked because I don't think "over complexity" is a problem with my BEV.

With Tesla, about 70% have either had no problems or minor cosmetic issues. Over complexity of the system, of any type - minor to major, accounted for about 6% of issues.

JDCanuck - 6-29-2024 at 06:08 PM

Over complexity is driving the medium to major problems on EV's causing returns to dealers for repair work. But some EV's still have fewer problems than the average IC vehicle, notably Kia

You might want to check the JD Power report just released, or one of the news articles summing it up. They are listed best or worst in their initial quality study. Hyundai and Kia are the cheapest ones that also have the best quality. Fortunately, all those initial problems should be covered by warranty by taking it back to the dealer. Once they are sorted, the overall maintenance should decline.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/evs-are-giving-new-owners-mor...

[Edited on 6-30-2024 by JDCanuck]

surabi - 6-29-2024 at 07:37 PM

That I can understand, although I wouldn't necessarily consider it "more in common", but simply "more familiar with" or "more comfortable with".

There's so much that goes into feeling that one has a things in common with others, that has very little to do with nationality. Common interests, similar lifestyle, economic and education status, political persuation, etc.

I have a friend who is in her late 70's now and has lived in Canada for about 40 years, but is originally Czech. She said people have sometimes said to her, "Oh, I know this other Czech woman, I should introduce you."
My friend finds this really strange- like why would she want to meet someone she may have nothing in common with, and might not like at all, just because they're from the same country?

oxxo - 6-30-2024 at 07:09 AM

A lease on a Hyundai IONIQ 5 is the least expensive car in the US right now!

https://electrek.co/2024/06/28/hyundai-ioniq-5-lease-price-b...

JDCanuck - 6-30-2024 at 08:08 AM

Which makes pretty good sense if you are concerned about Battery improvements and not sure if you'll actually be a convert. Your commitment is for a limited period. Your net after fuel savings and maintenance costs through the warranty period would be close to zero and you at the end of the lease can either choose to buy at the residual value or let it go and look for a replacement.

We are considering leasing our next (much larger) Hybrid or EV for those reasons. The Kia EV9 has our attention right now.

[Edited on 6-30-2024 by JDCanuck]

oxxo - 6-30-2024 at 09:06 AM

We are considering leasing our next (much larger) Hybrid or EV for those reasons. The Kia EV9 has our attention right now.

BE VERY CAREFUL WITH LEASING, IT IS VERY TRICKY! Leasing appears to be an "inexpensive" way to get into a new car, but often is not. There are several factors to consider:
1. Capitalized cost = cost of prepayment (incorrectly called "down payment") plus cost of monthly payments
2. Availability of any Govt. rebates or credits on a leased vehicle
3. Number of months on the lease as stated in contract
4. Number of annual miles allowed
5. Residual value at end of lease (IF purchase is even permitted)
6. Comparison to cost of financing to purchase outright minus any rebates and/or credits (with unlimited miles and you own the vehicle to dispose of as you wish and when)

Personally, I have never found that leasing made financial sense to me, but everyone is different and it might make sense to you, your situation, and your philosophy about vehicles. I am not going to acquire another BEV (purchase or lease) for another 53 years (that will make me 153 y.o.) because that's when flying cars are going to be coming out with lifetime batteries that do not degrade and I am waiting for the "latest and greatest" technology!

JDCanuck - 6-30-2024 at 09:45 AM

Same here...and it is a rats nest to read through all the requirements. We have never before leased and always bought for ten years or more of use when we bought new. The difference now is how rapidly the technology is changing. Even three to five years ahead, you may find yourself with obsolete tech, making the resale value continue to plummet like it has in the recent past. Better if the terms are right to let the manufacturer take the risk until technology changes stabilize a bit as they eventually did with IC vehicles.
And yes, EV powered multi-fan computer stabilized flying taxis are already being produced, no pilots license required and minimal operation training. Imagine what that technology might create within 10-15 years. You cold fly from La Paz to our home in under an hour and forget about the road conditions.

[Edited on 6-30-2024 by JDCanuck]

oxxo - 6-30-2024 at 11:50 AM

The difference now is how rapidly the technology is changing. Even three to five years ahead, you may find yourself with obsolete tech, making the resale value continue to plummet like it has in the recent past.

Hummmm......my Tesla is almost 6 years old AND as a result of no extra cost OTA updates every 1 to 3 times a month, my 6 y.o. car has all the electrical and software improvements of any new Tesla. Tesla is the only BEV mfg. that does this, at this time. No, I don't have the newest battery technology and I don't have 400 miles of range, but the technology and range I do have is MORE THAN ENOUGH to meet MY needs. Resale? I really don't care because this will probably be my last car, 'cause I doubt I'll live to be 153 y.o.

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Better if the terms are right to let the manufacturer take the risk until technology changes stabilize a bit as they eventually did with IC vehicles.

Yes, if that BEV manufacturer has planned "obsolescence" built into their marketing strategy to increase their bottom line. Tesla is currently the exception. Least expensive is not always the best OR least expensive.

ICE vehicles have been improving technology over the years. If you had the same philosophy back then as you do now, you would never had owned an ICE vehicle. For example, improvements in ICE gpm specifications were the result of Federal mandates. The ICE mfg's would have NEVER done this on their own because the Fossil Fuel Industry and the ICE mfg's have always been working hand-in-hand to scru the consumer. If the Fed's eliminated the current subsidies for fossil fuels, gasoline for ICE vehicles, would be 4 to 5 dollars higher, per gallon, than they are now! Compare that to BEV's where electricity from the sun is free (after amortizing the cost of infrastructure at your home with a break-even of about 3-4 years right now and decreasing. Better to wait 5 to 10 to install solar panels because cost is coming down. :rolleyes:

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Tioloco - 6-30-2024 at 12:21 PM

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Better if the terms are right to let the manufacturer take the risk until technology changes stabilize a bit as they eventually did with IC vehicles.

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Where do you come up with this stuff? $4-$5 dollars a gallom higher? lol

oxxo - 6-30-2024 at 01:00 PM

Where do you come up with this stuff? $4-$5 dollars a gallom higher? lol

You have not answered my question. Where did you get these figures: "Spend $10 Trillion dollars and reduce the gases by 1.7%" Either answer the question or it is obvious you just made it up. I will answer your questions (because I do have answers) when you answer mine.

Tioloco - 6-30-2024 at 01:26 PM

Where do you come up with this stuff? $4-$5 dollars a gallom higher? lol

I answered that yesterday at 3:56PM

Now is your turn

oxxo - 6-30-2024 at 01:40 PM

I answered that yesterday at 3:56PM
Now is your turn

Okay you just made that up and you are just being "sarcastic." TioTaco you have evidenced you are not a serious and sincere person. I tried to give you respect but you have refused to be respectful in return. I will not make room for those kind of people in my life.

:thumbdown:

POOF you are gone!

Tioloco - 6-30-2024 at 02:25 PM

Poof, I reappeared and you still didnt answer my question... but I knew you couldn't back up your ridiculous statement about gas prices.

Its ok, I know electric cars do have a place in the world. They just aren't destined to eliminate the need for an ICE vehicle.

Ateo - 6-30-2024 at 06:27 PM

Let’s all sing a song together.

mtgoat666 - 6-30-2024 at 07:50 PM

Bye, Oxxo! Sorry to see you get departed!

RFClark - 6-30-2024 at 09:44 PM

BC and BCS have more in common with the US. Even Mexican Law recognizes that fact. Baja receives both fuel and electricity from the US. BC was and still is tied into the US electrical grid. There is a current project to tie it (BC) into the mainland Mexican grid as well. The primary purpose is to sell more electricity to the US.

The Northern Border Minimum Wage (BC) is almost double the mainland minimum wage!

Car import policies are different and much more!

surabi - 6-30-2024 at 10:22 PM

FYI, the mainland minimum wage is 248.93 pesos/day, but that's more like what some tomato picker in some agricultural area or somewhere totally Mexican with no tourism might get paid. You can't get a cleaner or a gardener in my area for less than 100 pesos/hour, and some want more. And that's not the "gringo price"- that's the average wage for fairly unskilled labor. A plumber or an electrician or a painter charge at least twice that. (Not to say that a good cleaner or gardener doesn't have skills of their trade, just that they don't have education or a degree in anything, which would command a higher salary)

[Edited on 7-1-2024 by surabi]

JDCanuck - 7-2-2024 at 10:09 AM

Until conditions change, it appears the BYD Shark remains the most all-round usable electric vehicle here in BCS. Anything other than hybrids remain rare. Pricing may have to come down some before it gets broad acceptance. Overall BYD vehicle lineup is accessible here:
https://www.byd.com/mx/car/BYDSHARK

[Edited on 7-2-2024 by JDCanuck]

JDCanuck - 7-18-2024 at 04:09 PM

Has anyone had any experience with Hybrid Hot Water Heaters or found a Mexico supplier for them? Like these Rheem Proterra units available in the US and Canada?

https://www.rheem.ca/products/residential/water-heating/hybr...

JDCanuck - 7-18-2024 at 04:58 PM

We were a bit concerned about bacterial growth at lower temps than 120 degrees, but yes, if its not used for showers they would work but were bout as expensive to install.

mtgoat666 - 7-18-2024 at 05:20 PM

Has anyone had any experience with Hybrid Hot Water Heaters or found a Mexico supplier for them? Like these Rheem Proterra units available in the US and Canada?

https://www.rheem.ca/products/residential/water-heating/hybr...

A heat pump water heater seems lime it may be more complex than necessary. I have on demand gas and elec water heaters, they work great. In san diego heat pumps dont work well except in certain weather…. Never seen $$ evaluation show that heat pump makes econ sense in coastal med climate… maybe works in BCS?

JDCanuck - 7-18-2024 at 07:31 PM

MTGoat: If you are on solar and want electric hot water tanks, these are stated to save 70-75% of the electricity, and would certainly decrease the solar battery load in non solar periods. Hot water was the one major load we experienced. We temporarily installed a gas on demand heater downstream of our small electric tanks for high demands, but wanted to eventually replace with more efficient electric. On demands had the disadvantage of scaling up very quickly in very hard water and wasn't expected to last long. A hybrid costs a bit less than a small electric tank followed by an on demand.

[Edited on 7-19-2024 by JDCanuck]

JDCanuck - 8-25-2024 at 05:48 PM

More recent news on EV sales in Mexico

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/23/how-chinese-ev-automakers-ar...

Last year, China was the leading car supplier to Mexico, exporting $4.6 billion worth of vehicles to the country, according to the Mexican Ministry of Economy. Even customers wary of EVs have been won over by affordable price tags. Tesla rival BYD sells its Dolphin Mini in Mexico for around 398,800 pesos, or about $21,300, a little over half the price of the cheapest Tesla.

Growth in 2023 was extremely high, altho from a very low percentage overall:
https://cleantechnica.com/2024/03/19/evs-grow-94-yoy-in-mexi...

[Edited on 8-26-2024 by JDCanuck]

RFClark - 8-25-2024 at 06:39 PM

JD,

I just saw your 7/18 post haven't seen any heat pump water heaters in BCS but there are a lot of heat pump pool heaters. For the Goat, heat pump heaters, both air and water work well in a climate like SD. They produce almost 3X the heat of a straight resistance heater. We use them for heating the house from both solar and battery. Propane here is still the best bang for your buck for hot water especially with a solar preheater.

RFClark - 8-25-2024 at 11:10 PM

L,

I’m not a fan of any sort of tank water heater especially in Mexico where much of the water is very hard or has a very high mineral content. Propane demand water heaters are very efficient and don’t fill up with minerals as quickly as tank water heaters do. They also cost less.

That said, you’re correct. In a cold climate it would steal heat from wherever it was located which would need to be made up by a different heater. A conventional water heater would add needed heat to its location in a cold climate.

JDCanuck - 8-26-2024 at 03:05 PM

RFClark: According to the sites I have read, the one condition where you wish to avoid On-Demand heaters is where the hardness is extreme as they are far more likely to scale up due to the smaller water flow diameters and require frequent chemical flushing and feed water softeners in such cases or the warranty will not be honored. There may be exceptions to this with more expensive non-scaling tubing but this was why we chose tank type heaters in the first place.

mtgoat666 - 8-26-2024 at 03:19 PM

RFClark: According to the sites I have read, the one condition where you wish to avoid On-Demand heaters is where the hardness is extreme as they are far more likely to scale up due to the smaller water flow diameters and require frequent chemical flushing and feed water softeners in such cases or the warranty will not be honored. There may be exceptions to this with more expensive non-scaling tubing but this was why we chose tank type heaters in the first place.

I have tankless gas water heater. Descale twice per year. Easy peasy. Similar to descaling my espresso machine.

If i were to do it again, i would choose electric tankless heater, as i have excess net metering kwh.

JDCanuck - 8-26-2024 at 03:34 PM