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DENNIS - 5-3-2009 at 09:39 AM

Thoreau said it all. With minor changes he said, “The mass of Nomads lead lives of quiet desperation.”
That would be the only plausible explaination for finding entertainment in this feces fight.

ELINVESTIG8R - 5-3-2009 at 09:42 AM

Why thank you Dennis for your thoughts!

DENNIS - 5-3-2009 at 09:43 AM

Think nothing of it.
Oh...you already do?

ELINVESTIG8R - 5-3-2009 at 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DENNIS
Think nothing of it.
Oh...you already do?

BajaGringo - 5-3-2009 at 09:51 AM

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Originally posted by ELINVESTI8
Unfortunately it deals with a combination of human and sea turtle tragedies.

I agree that it is an important subject. The problem is that it has turned into a perpetual loop of allegations from both sides, very little of which can be substantiated or any real differences settled. Certainly won't happen here on the forum but in legal arbitration and ultimately in court. After 21 pages of posts in this forum over the last three weeks, all I have learned is that some poor turtle was poached and there is a property dispute between three people who don't seem to like each other very much.

I had that all figured out by page two. Everything else since then has been redundant ad nauseum. I say they take their land battle to court or sit down over a couple bottles of tequila and work their problems out like reasonable folks do.

A turtle was killed and its poacher needs to be investigated and prosecuted by the legal system. Nobody here disagrees with that. Well, maybe a couple of misfits do but that is for another thread.

There is just nowhere for this thread to go but continue in endless volleys of unsubstantiated attacks. If they cannot settle this as neighbors I doubt they will be any more successful here. I don't think that any of the the legal authorities investigating the turtle's demise are forum members so we probably won't be getting any of the straight poop on that here either until it becomes an article in the local press.

And it appears that folks cannot agree either as to who is the real BajaGringo. Almost evenly divided between several shady characters.

Hell, I am not even sure who to vote for...

:rolleyes:

ELINVESTIG8R - 5-3-2009 at 10:06 AM

Agreed Ron, but nevertheless it is entertaining, well to me anyway.

As far as which photo depicts you in the other location I voted with the majority!

ramuma53 - 5-3-2009 at 11:13 AM

BajaGringo and ElINVES8 I can’t agree with you more, the problem is that there is nothing left to be settled in court because everything has been solved already and my papers recognized as legal, so my property is not in peril.
The turtles are going to have their revenge form the proper authorities, the nature organizations and me are just verifying that corruption does not work in this case.
What I have done here is making the problem public, if you don’t speak, you accept and I certainly don’t accept that I am in any way related to drug traffic other than to attack it; also that I don’t accept drugs to be unloaded in a beach that borders with my property.
I knew from the start, that may people here have had Olivia as their favorite Narc and they have been stopping for years at her restaurant and that is why that unreasonable position, a lot of them are already documented on photos with the police, but being a drug user is not a crime anymore.
Also is clear that several people registered a few days ago, just speak in this thread unanimously, but that only show Mark Burbey way of acting, more than 19,000 people have viewed this thread and that mean that people are interested and know what is happening and that is what this was all about.
I am opening a webpage with proof of all the facts said here, document that prove that everything is true, starting with my property papers, Olivia lack of any property right accepted by herself in front of a public notary, a document signed by her asking for transit permission through my property and where she recognizes that she has no right to the hotel; those document are public documents verifiable by anybody and will demonstrate that Olivia is lying here; beyond that there is little left to be said here but to post updates, something that I am going to do. The webpage is www.munoz-industries.com/vaquera.html

[Edited on 5-3-2009 by ramuma53]

ramuma53 - 5-3-2009 at 11:22 AM

If any person is interested about Federal Zone facts or laws, or Property titles in Mexico, I will answer their question without any compromise for them, just write to me director@munoz-industries.com
I neglected to say before that I have an Office in Rosarito Tijuana with official licences to advise on these matters, me and my team are technical withnesses fot several courts on those matters.
Sorry pranks, I have a program that filters words and just direct your email to the trash can.

Diver - 5-3-2009 at 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ramuma53
... the problem is that there is ....

No, you're wrong.
The problem IS that you don't realize that your words have no meaning.
The problem IS that you won't shut up already !

ELINVESTIG8R - 5-3-2009 at 11:53 AM

I do not support either side as I have stated before but do look forward to seeing any truthful evidence to support one side or the other. We here are just voyeurs into your land and sea turtle problems and no one and I mean no one I don’t care how well they think they know any of you, knows the truth. We in this forum are not and cannot be your judge or executioner but since this has been brought into this arena I am very interested to see how it turns out once the legal system decides and the dust settles.

KAT54 - 5-3-2009 at 11:53 AM

It is pertty simple to see that Mark and Oliva at the restruant were set up.
Any resonable judge will see that too.
The heads of the turtles without the guts shows the animals were butchered somewhere else.
Munoz
When you were 18 you saw that no one owned your property so you filed a claim for it with the government.
Did you live on the property?

ELINVESTIG8R - 5-3-2009 at 12:09 PM

I like most people on Baja Nomad but I sometimes think "Where is your head and your heart" when people make rude comments when we do not know the truth.

OLIGUACOMOLE - 5-3-2009 at 12:31 PM

Rafael Munoz Martinez............can we talk to Eddie now. We want to ask Eddie some questions. Please let Eddie out and come forward so we can get more information. Eddie are you there?....Eddie?

BajaGringo - 5-3-2009 at 12:48 PM

ELINVESTIG8R - 5-3-2009 at 01:03 PM

No Atom Bomb until the end of the story when justice is served.

BajaGringo - 5-3-2009 at 01:09 PM

No, that was just me...

ELINVESTIG8R - 5-3-2009 at 01:13 PM

Hahahahahaha Ron you are a Character... Can't wait to meet you!

BajaGringo - 5-3-2009 at 01:55 PM

Which one?

Number 3, 4, 7 or 9???

ELINVESTIG8R - 5-3-2009 at 02:48 PM

All but 3 and 6 look like crooks and I know you are not 6 so I picked 3.

Howard - 5-3-2009 at 05:58 PM

I have kept up on this thread from the beginning. I have even tried to inject a little levity in a very serious subject. I have not met ramuma 53 and have been at Olivia and Marks only 2 or 3 times. I have no favorites in this grammar school yard brawl and I only hope that the guilty party or parties (if their really is a guilty party) gets taken care of by the Mexican justice system. For all of us gringo’s that love Baja, it is their justice system and we must live by their system no matter how we feel about it.

Now for the purpose of this post.

In my opinion, even if Ramam53 is correct on all his assertions, he comes across like a crybaby that never grew up. If you are so hell bent on trying to destroy these peoples lives, why not let the courts take care of it and stop sniveling, crying and throwing your weight around as if this is a school yard brawl? You say you are a lawyer, do you not believe in your legal system? I assume you took a oath to become a lawyer correct? You my “friend” come across as a pampas cry baby that with each post you are losing mine and I believe anyone’s sympathy for your alleged cause. If you are so correct in all of these matters (which you might very well be) shut the f—k up and get on with your life in court, taking care of your business rather than trying to stir up anger with strangers. Have you no friends to vent to rather than strangers that you will probably never meet? Oh, that’s right, you want to meet a few of the people to have a physical altercation.

In my opinion Ramara53 you could be correct in all of this but you will still be a classless individual. Do I want to meet you to say it to your face? I, unlike you, have better things to do with my life. No, I spent too much damn time in Vietnam doing things that I will never do again but I will have a beer and feel sorry for you.

May all the truth come out in court.

Sharksbaja - 5-3-2009 at 07:18 PM

Well, if nothing else, Doug has gained himself a whole new demographic. :wow:

Say a little prayer now...before the Apocalyspe.

Baja Gringo

BajaDanD - 5-3-2009 at 09:12 PM

I think he's #8

24baja - 5-3-2009 at 10:03 PM

Nice job Howard. Connie

flyfishinPam - 5-4-2009 at 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ramuma53
If any person is interested about Federal Zone facts or laws, or Property titles in Mexico, I will answer their question without any compromise for them, just write to me director@munoz-industries.com
I neglected to say before that I have an Office in Rosarito Tijuana with official licences to advise on these matters, me and my team are technical withnesses fot several courts on those matters.
Sorry pranks, I have a program that filters words and just direct your email to the trash can.

OH YEAH I'm reaching for my phone now :lol:

As entertaining as this is, this entire thread is reason enough for anyone who is considering buying beach front property to think twice about it!

Thank you participants for bringing this to light on our cause against coastal over-development.

If you're a foreigner or a Mexican national and you own beach-front property, please be aware that if someone wants it bad enough, and they have the means to get via connections or money (or the "justice" system), it they will do ANYTHING to get your land.

www.ecoalianzaloreto.org

KAT54 - 5-4-2009 at 07:57 AM

I agree with Pam.
It is sure not the USA down there.
Munoz accuses Olivia and Mark of having pangas deliver boatloads of drugs to the beach there.
Why would someone deliver boatloads of drugs there?
You would still have to truck it out either north or south.
And why deliver it by boat to the middle of the Bay of Conception instead of San Felipe or Ensenada closer to the border?
If boats come in all the time why has no one else seen them?
Boats would make alot of noise.
Someone would see and report it.
Munoz, Mark say you have a bad title.
Were you a squatter?
If you lived in TJ how did you obtain the land.
How did you know what to do when you were 18 years old?
The schools in your area of Mexico were not that good in 1971.
This is just a fact.
Did the people that built the hotel reall invest all that money for a 22 room place on rented land?
Seems pretty stupid on their part without a guarentee of time.

OLIGUACOMOLE - 5-4-2009 at 08:07 AM

Rafael Munoz Martinez (ramuma53),

Would you please explain why recently your employees pictures are posted at the military checkpoint north of Loreto.

ELINVESTIG8R - 5-4-2009 at 09:30 AM

I went over to Rafael Munoz' web page at: www.munoz-industries.com/vaquera.html and looked at the documents he provided there. I have no knowledge of land laws of Mexico or what legitimate documents look but they look legitimate to me. Maybe someone familiar with land issues and related documents can look at them and confirm they are or are not legitimate. Since Rafael Munoz is an intelligent man I am sure he would not have put them up for anyone to see if they were not legitimate.

Rafael, Olivia and Mark what land dispute is still pending in La Paz or is that over with? Is that the only land dispute between you guys? As far as the sea turtle issue I am waiting for the courts to decide culpability.

With respect to boats unloading drugs at Olivia and Mark’s beach unless there is video evidence of Olivia or Mark being present while the boats were unloading drugs on the beach I don’t think there can be a case against them. I know if I was not involved in drugs I sure as hell would not go out and investigate why boats are on my beach in the dark.

mtgoat666 - 5-4-2009 at 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ELINVESTI8
I have no knowledge of land laws of Mexico or what legitimate documents look but they look legitimate to me.

ELINVESTI8,
why is there a dozer in your avatar?

ELINVESTIG8R - 5-4-2009 at 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mtgoat666

Quote:

Originally posted by ELINVESTI8
I have no knowledge of land laws of Mexico or what legitimate documents look but they look legitimate to me.

ELINVESTI8,
why is there a dozer in your avatar?

Dang, I was hoping no one would noticed that...Just kidding. That's my brother Sany's dozer in El Rosario.

ramuma53 - 5-4-2009 at 11:09 AM

KAT54
You nalways make the smart questions.
The Mariguana trade start in Sinaloa where they grow it, that state is in on the other side of the Cortez Sea to South Baja; if you take it by truck you will have to go through 20 Army checkpoints, somethng almost imposible even if you are connected and that is why there are suposed to be so many and there is always some floating checkpoints also to consider.
Then they cross the Cortez Sea in pangas; the easy thing would be to jus t go around Baja and continue to Rosarito Beach where you see them every day, but in Cabos there is a Navy base that takes care that they can not go around Baja, so they just go to Bahia Concepcion, in between two Army Checkpoints, they cross Baja going through the dirt road that goes to Ejido La Purisima, just under Bahia Concepcion and then load on the Pacific coast to go to Rosarito Beach where there are 7 to 20 boats uloaded every day with 3 tons each, then they cross the border the usual way.
By the way, I just received the new modifications to the Mexican Constitution, from now on you are INOCENT until proved guilty, the police will have to actually investigate before puting you in jail; well it looks like American justice so much that the only thing left out is the Jury trial; the changes will take 8 years to completely happen and even the police will work together City, Estate and Federal.
A little late but I told you Mexico is changing.
Also, just rememeber that the source of all this problems are the American people buying Mariguana, they think "what harm can be done by using a little Mariguana?" well there is a whole line of corruption and death that bring them the dope and then you in Baja sufer some of that line of corruption, corruption that is in the system because the police do not have money even for gasoline and they have to use their own cars.

roundtuit - 5-4-2009 at 11:32 AM

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The Mariguana trade start in Sinaloa where they grow it, that state is in on the other side of the Cortez Sea to South Baja; if you take it by truck you will have to go through 20 Army checkpoints, somethng almost imposible even if you are connected and that is why there are suposed to be so many and there is always some floating checkpoints also to consider.
Then they cross the Cortez Sea in pangas; the easy thing would be to jus t go around Baja and continue to Rosarito Beach where you see them every day, but in Cabos there is a Navy base that takes care that they can not go around Baja, so they just go to Bahia Concepcion, in between two Army Checkpoints, they cross Baja going through the dirt road that goes to Ejido La Purisima, just under Bahia Concepcion and then load on the Pacific coast to go to Rosarito Beach where there are 7 to 20 boats uloaded every day with 3 tons each, then they cross the border the usual way

Sounds like words of wisdom from the MASTER. Now we all know how this is done. :lol:

The more dirt I throw out the deeper the hole gets

ramuma53 - 5-4-2009 at 11:51 AM

ELINVEST8
You are right, I would not dare to put an official document that is not absolutely true in display for every people including Olivia to have it and check it; also it would be fedral offense to do it and you can see there the result of the Federal police investigation; sorry but I am not lying even if a lot of people wamt to belive I am; all those documents have been shown in court and investigated by the Federal Police already.
Maybe you dont notice and don't understand why I make this public but the people who answer are a very small minority, compared to the people who read it and don't comment, over 19000 people have read this thread and that is public opinion; mostly people who are interested in Baja and that have had an effect on the bad guys and I mean the bad guys, not the small fish like Olivia and Mark.
Up to this point only Oliva was delivering her message that I was wrong in el Sudcaliforniano, now a lot of people can check and see that I am not wrong or the bad guy; nobody knew me or Olivia, but now many people are more informed about the real problem.
Many people keep saying that the courts should take care of this "land dispute" there is no longer any trial where my land is in dispute, it was over the second the Ejido La Purisima withrew their claims because Olivia is part of the Ejido and if the Ejido have no quarrel with me, she for sure should not have it but she is now against the ejido also.
Maybe you don't know it, but the ramp is on a little space in between her house and her restaurant, no way to use it without her consent, they usually park a truck blocking the ramp when they are not in the business of unloading.
And yes, there is a Video of an unloading operation on April 4, 2009 at 3:30 AM recorded by intelligence oficers of the law; I know because I was there with every other people in the hotel and yes Eddie was there too, it was a big 2 boat unloading operation with lights signals and everything; what are they going to do with that video is up to law enforcement. By the time the armed marines were able to arrive there from Mulege, everybody had ran, the Marine boats went all over Bahia Concepcion looking for the boats, specially to El Coyote where they know there is some drug dealers too and didn't found them until one week later, avandoned and without motors. This is movies stuf but believe me, being there is a lot more interesting.

[Edited on 5-4-2009 by ramuma53]

ramuma53 - 5-4-2009 at 12:18 PM

Roundtuit
Exactly that is the point and as long as many people know exactly how it is done, the conduit is burnt and maybe somebody think a little about it before enjoying the next pot cigarette.
Yes, I know a lot more than I say here, but not because of what you try with bad blood to suggest, I know because I am a journalist and since I was 17 years old I have worked with the Army and Navy against that business; do you think that anybody can be a Senate Candidate without being burned by the other political parties if you have the smallest doubt on you?? Politics are the same all over the world, but very few can teach at the Army School at 17.

Skipjack Joe - 5-4-2009 at 12:25 PM

Ahh.... one thing, ramuma.

Those are 20,000 views of this thread - not 20,000 people.

If your intention is to reach 20,000 people it may take a few years.

Click on this thread and then go back to main page and look at the count - it will go up by one.

ramuma53 - 5-4-2009 at 01:02 PM

skpjack Joe
you are right, but it works anyway, I don't think only 100 people will read this thread 200 times, more likely 1000 people see it 20 times or something like that; even if you dont apreciate it, there is a lot of people taking notice of what is said here, the webpage I put up www.munoz-industries.com/vaquera.html has been visited since yesterday 14,893 times

[Edited on 5-4-2009 by ramuma53]

KAT54 - 5-4-2009 at 01:11 PM

I read the website Munoz put up and
I think he really owns the property.
I also think it is for sale.
That is why he got a statement in 2008
that there are no tax liens on the property.
He had a buyer.
I think someone in the Edijo made a big error in 1972.
The property they thought they owned they did not.
The hotel was built.
Olivia thought she had a claim and
found out she did not.
Now she is upset.
Munoz is one lucky guy.
Right spot at the right time with the right paperwork.
To increase the value of the property or sell it
Munoz needs the concession.
I guess it is not for sale at least not to him.
Now other means are being used.
This is war.
I am sure everyone down there knows the path for the drugs.
Or they think they know.
It still seems that are much better places
on the Sea of Cortez to offload a panga full of dope.
I personally would not use a place in front of a hotel
that Munoz says is full all the time.
Remember it has to be to pay the $850,000 a year in land taxes.
I wonder if potential buyers are aware of that.
It is still weird to me that just a couple of days after
his wife was released from jail
Mark is kayaking with the whales in front of the hotel.
I think I would be gettting some pictures
of that wall of shame at the Loreto army check point
if Munoz employees are actually on it at all.
Might be useful later.
The pictures might dissapear.
They are in Mexico.

ramuma53 - 5-4-2009 at 01:48 PM

Sorry KAT54 you do better asking questions than answering them.
First, my land is not for sale, I won’t sell it, even if you ask for it, also it is worth $74'000,000 dlls on last appraisal, money I don’t think you may dream on having; I have offers and you can ask that to the “Loreto Bay” guys, but I just don't sell.
The other is, the one who built the Hotel is Roberto and Franca Meloni, who rented the land from me and who hired Olivia as Manager and later fired her, because she was robbing them; then they sold their investment to me back; I owned the land but the building was their money; I paid them and it is now 100% mine, legally mine; I also have a public notary document where Olivia recognizes that she owns nothing at the hotel, because she invested cero. You can ask this to Roberto Meloni himself, I already provided his email here.
I don't need the concession to sell or for anything else, it is an expensive rent but I recognize that it is in my best interest that other people do not acquire it, so I legally asked for it and I already have provisional possession of it, authorized by SEMARNAT; it may take time but I will get it without paying a kickbacks, the law is on my side.
My friend, now you sound like Olivia but even worst because you attack a lady you don’t know, My wife is not at the hotel, she has a Master degree in Business administration by Phoenix University, she is a Professional Social worker by a Tijuana University and a Birth Educator recognized by several American Associations, she is a teacher in a Tijuana University, her name is Sandra Munoz, an American Citizen; you just joined Olivia and Mark on their ranks.
If you know better places, just try to unload fast 2 boats carrying 3 tons of drugs each on any beach, they need a ramp and there are only 2 ramps in Bahia Concepcion, Olivia’s and the El Coyote ramp that is closed and there are several uncontrolled phones nearby.
Bahia Concepcion is good because there are no phone lines, it is 50 miles from the Army check point and 30 miles from the Mulege Navy barracks and there are trails that cross the Baja Peninsula without any Army checkpoints, well it used to be; now the area is hot for them, did Olivia Told you that now the Army raided her place just a few days back.

ELINVESTIG8R - 5-4-2009 at 02:05 PM

Rafael I think Kat54 was referring to Olivia not your wife with regards to Mark kayaking with the whales. Just so you know...

ramuma53 - 5-4-2009 at 02:28 PM

ELINVEST8
You are right, sorry KAT54, but still KAT54 you are bad at answering questions.
Also, the Ejido guys are not mistaken, they leased to Olivia a land lot 1 Km north of my property, they respect my boundaries, but Olivia just don't want to recognize that she is out of the land she leased from the Ejido. Why is Mak allowed to kayak in front of the Hotel? my friend, I respect the law, nor the water or the Federal Zone are my property and I can not forbid anybody including Mark from using it.

[Edited on 5-4-2009 by ramuma53]

ramuma53 - 5-4-2009 at 02:42 PM

KAT54
Why Mark was kayaking at all 2 days after Olivia was realeased from Jail is up to him, but there are several funny things about how things happened that day.
The same day the raid took place, Mark was observed at Km. 95, just out of sight of the Hotel or Olivia, talking to the Ex PGR Commander; just a few hours before the raid took place; they were on the side of the highway talking from car to car; funny, because that PGR (Mexican FBI) was the one in charge of the raid.
Also some of the Americans living at the beach told me after the raid that Mark was happy because now he was the owner.
And of course at the time of the Raid, he was conveniently out; also, the only place from where the tip may have came was the one at Olivia's restaurant and who else have access to that phone, not me for sure.
Just something to consider also.
The report also said that Oliva had Heroin gum in her purse but she had none; who may know what she has in her purse??????????

Cypress - 5-4-2009 at 02:56 PM

ramuma53, You're really a concerned citizen. What's your take on the gill nets, hooka herders, commercial dorado by-catch, and all the rest of those things that are destroying the Sea of Cortez fisheries? :?:

JESSE - 5-4-2009 at 03:30 PM

Well, there is one clear thing about all of this. Someone needs professional medical treatment, specifically psychiatric attention. In my ten minutes as an experienced google medical professional, i would suggest looking into:

Psychosis
Personality disorders
Multiple Personality Disorder
Obsessive compulsive disorder

So i will sugest you take one of these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwstANRkhqs&feature=fvsr

And call me in the morning.

ELINVESTIG8R - 5-4-2009 at 04:07 PM

I should have taken some Thorazine before my rant that was deleted that is for sure.

ramuma53 - 5-4-2009 at 04:08 PM

Jesse
Did you visit each one of those doctors??????
By the way you look in your photo, you also need some new ones

Howard - 5-4-2009 at 04:31 PM

Cypress

Probably the best post (other than mine, of course) on this whole mess. I give permission to the school yard bully to respond.

OLIGUACOMOLE - 5-4-2009 at 05:03 PM

mmmmm JUICY FRUIT HEROIN GUM mmmmmmmm........BOATS UNLOADING TONS OF JUICY FRUIT AT 3:00AM, RIGHT BEFORE BREAKFAST TOO! TALKING TO THE FBI CHIEFS ON THE HIGHWAY...HAHAHAHHA. SURVELLIENCE VIDEO AT 3AM ....HOHOGOGOEOEOE. 74 MILLION VALUE.....WHOOOOOHOOOO! WERE RICH!

ramuma53 - 5-4-2009 at 06:11 PM

Well Olivia, just wait, this thing is looking better and better, not for you of course but watch yourself, maybe somebody is making a deal with PGR.
One of your American friends at the beach, saw Mark and another car at Km. 95 that day, a few hours before the raid on you, he was on Mulege Direction on the white pick up, they know it very well and him also and the other car was a black suburban, that black suburban was at my hotel earlier too and that is why they recognized it and when we asked who was using that suburban, the facts are coming together.
Looks like the tortoise was not planted because you clearly knew about it, but somebody put the finger on you and you know we could not do it because one of your guys made our telephone malfunction on April 4, and the raid was several days latter.
Start making your own Deals Olivia, I know they are after bigger fish than you, you can make it, they are after El Gordo not you.
Olivia even if you HAHAHA you know you can not prove anything I said false, I told you, I can help you come out of this mess and solve any diferences; you asked me last time when you took the photo from your pickup but Mark didn't let you finish; just quit breaking the law and you can make a decent deal with me any time. If you want to stay it is ok with me, but on those conditions, if you keep on doing it, I will close you down sooner or latter and you know I do what I say.

TURTLE POOP

OLIGUACOMOLE - 5-4-2009 at 06:22 PM

:fire:

OK, I WENT TO YOUR WEB POST AND SAW YOUR PAPERS. WHEW! THOUGHT MAYBE YOU MADE SOME NEW. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS WHAT HAPPENED TO THE FIRST TITLE YOU SHOWED. REMEMBER TITLE# 51829? THE NUMBER THAT WAS FROM VERACRUZ. THE ONE YOU SAY YOU BOUGHT THE HOTEL WITH. WHERE DID IT GO? WHAT THE HECK... MAYBE TWO TITLES ISN'T BETTER THAN ONE. WE REALLY DON'T CARE WHAT YOU HAVE, ALL THE POWER TO YA!HOPEFULLY YOU HAVE PRESENTED THESE PAPERS TO THE COURT.

FOR ALL THE VIEWERS I SUGGEST BELIEVING NOTHING YOU HEAR AND HALF YOU SEE. QUESTION ANY PAPERS SOMEONE SHOWS HERE IN MEXICO. IT IS EASY FOR SOMEONE TO FALSIFY DOCUMENTS WITH THE BOOM-BOOM(STAMP). LITTLE IS DONE TO THESE PEOPLE WHO FALSIFY DOCS. WE LIVE HERE AND ARE PROUD OF MEXICO TOO! THE OUTCOME IS IN THE JUDICIAL COURTS HANDS FOR NEARLY SIX YEARS AND WE ARE READY FOR IT TO END. NO MORE COURT POSTPONEMENTS AND NO MORE COURT APPEAL TACTICS. I ASK RAFAEL MUNOZ MARTINEZ TO RESPECT US AND THE COURTS DECISION, WHICH EVER WAY IT MAY GO.

Udo - 5-4-2009 at 06:30 PM

One thing this (mis)post has brought out, are all the Nomads we never hear from anymor.e

mulegemichael - 5-4-2009 at 06:50 PM

whatta bout the friggin' tortuga?????...huh????

ramuma53 - 5-4-2009 at 07:29 PM

Lencho
The laws just changed, well it will take 8 years to fully change; usually the Mexican criminal system was based on the Roman Law and on that system, you are guilty untill you prove yourself inocent; that means that the public attorney had to show that proof EXISTED that you may have been involved in a crime and then ask the Judge to put you in jail if he felt that you may go away or the crime was too heavy for you to stay for the trial; now they will have to prove not that proof exist, but they have to prove that you were actually involved in the crime to be able to prosecute you and then put you in jail.
They are inventing a new kind of judge to decide when the public attorney has shown proof that you are guilty enough to put you in trial.
In other words, they are avandoning the Roman model and now you are presumed inocent untill proved gilty enough to subject you to trial.
They modified Article 14 from the Mexican Consitution, changing only one word, but that was enough

[Edited on 5-5-2009 by ramuma53]

ramuma53 - 5-4-2009 at 07:45 PM

Let the authorities avenge the turtles, they are on their way fore sure.
First, since the crime is 12 years, it is considered heavy crime and they can not give you bail, well the public attorney relea$$$sed Olivia on bail and that made the Navy and Propesca look like fools and for sure they didn't liked it; they asked Mexico city PGR to oficially ask the Loreto public attorney why he released Olivia and the cook; he will have to answer sooner or latter or put Olivia Fast in jail, because 3 federal agencies gave proof enough that they caught Olivia with the evidence and I mean 20 police officers thet they caught Olivia and the cook cooking the 2 turtles, they also founf the 2 bloody shells and the 2 severed heads; the guts may have been eaten by Olivias big dogs in a second.
Grupo Tortuguero and the Fideicomiso de Bahia Tortugas are pressing PROFEPA to act and put Olivia in jail.
I am also asking the Mexico's President public relations office to press the District attorney to act.
It will take a little time because of the Flu, but the Federal District Attorney will have to act and put Olivia and the cook in jail; also nobody remeber about what the cook said about the turtles and she said in her first declarations that Olivia was going to sell the turtle stew and that it is not the first time they do it, also mentioned who Sell the live turtles to them.
This is only begining and also the time for Olivia to make a deal.

LETS MAKE-A-DEAL

OLIGUACOMOLE - 5-5-2009 at 06:33 AM

HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT WAS DECLARED????
LETS MAKE A DEAL???

KAT54 - 5-5-2009 at 06:46 AM

Munoz
The motel and land is really worth $74 million dollars?
You should have sold it.
You are about 57 years old and do not look all that healthy.
Think how nice your life could be with all that money.
I am still having trouble beliving that pangas are
offloading drugs at a busy motel all the time at 3AM.
Too much risk.
Mark said your employees pictures are up on the
drug capture board at the military check point just north of Loreto.
Is this true?
If it is it moves the drug issue to you.
Does anyone have a picture to post of the board?
Was this just said by Mark as
another smoke screen to avoid turtle issues?
Marc what is the concession worth?
Can you sell it?
Would you sell it to Munoz?
Money is money.

OLIGUACOMOLE - 5-5-2009 at 09:09 AM

I BELIEVE THE SELLING OF THE FEDERAL ZONE IS NOT POSSIBLE. IT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY THE GOVT. RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FEDERAL ZONE. WE DO NOT WANT TO SELL ANYTHING FEDERAL ZONE INCLUDED. WE LIVE HERE AND ARE HAPPY. WE HAVE ALWAYS WANTED TO MAKE A HAPPY PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO COME. I WILL KEEP ALL INFORMED OF THE TURTLE ISSUE ON MY END. I HOPE THE TURTLE CASE IS SEEN AS FRAUDULENT AND IS DROPPED. MUNOZ SEEMS TO KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING IN OUR CASE MUCH BETTER THAN WE DO. WHY ASK WHY? I HAVE BEEN TOLD BY TWO SEPERATE GROUPS OF MEXICANS(NEIGHBORS) THAT THE PICTURES ARE THERE. WE DON'T REALLY CARE WHAT HAPPENED TO THE MUNOZ EMPLOYEES, IT IS UNFORTUNATE IF THEY ARE IN TROUBLE, AND I WOULD NOT WISH THIS ON ANYONE. SINCE I HAVE BEEN ACCUSED REPEATEDLY BY MUNOZ OF INVOLVEMNET WITH DRUGS I FEEL IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO OFFER THIS PUBLIC INFORMATION. I WISH NO ILL-WILL. ---WE HAVE BEEN DRAGGED INTO THIS DEFENSIVE SITUATION AND ARE JUST TRYING TO DEFEND OURSELVES.
AS FAR AS THE MONEY THING...WE REALLY DON'T CARE ABOUT MONEY. WE ARE HAPPY THE WAY WE ARE! WE WOULD JUST LIKE MUNOZ TO LEAVE US ALONE AND HAPPY.

Bajajack - 5-5-2009 at 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by OLIGUACOMOLE
I BELIEVE THE SELLING OF THE FEDERAL ZONE IS NOT POSSIBLE. IT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY THE GOVT. RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FEDERAL ZONE. WE DO NOT WANT TO SELL ANYTHING FEDERAL ZONE INCLUDED. WE LIVE HERE AND ARE HAPPY. WE HAVE ALWAYS WANTED TO MAKE A HAPPY PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO COME. I WILL KEEP ALL INFORMED OF THE TURTLE ISSUE ON MY END. I HOPE THE TURTLE CASE IS SEEN AS FRAUDULENT AND IS DROPPED. MUNOZ SEEMS TO KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING IN OUR CASE MUCH BETTER THAN WE DO. WHY ASK WHY? I HAVE BEEN TOLD BY TWO SEPERATE GROUPS OF MEXICANS(NEIGHBORS) THAT THE PICTURES ARE THERE. WE DON'T REALLY CARE WHAT HAPPENED TO THE MUNOZ EMPLOYEES, IT IS UNFORTUNATE IF THEY ARE IN TROUBLE, AND I WOULD NOT WISH THIS ON ANYONE. SINCE I HAVE BEEN ACCUSED REPEATEDLY BY MUNOZ OF INVOLVEMNET WITH DRUGS I FEEL IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO OFFER THIS PUBLIC INFORMATION. I WISH NO ILL-WILL. ---WE HAVE BEEN DRAGGED INTO THIS DEFENSIVE SITUATION AND ARE JUST TRYING TO DEFEND OURSELVES.
AS FAR AS THE MONEY THING...WE REALLY DON'T CARE ABOUT MONEY. WE ARE HAPPY THE WAY WE ARE! WE WOULD JUST LIKE MUNOZ TO LEAVE US ALONE AND HAPPY.

One thing for certain, you're not gonna make to many friends here typing in all caps! :fire:

Bajaboy - 5-5-2009 at 10:01 AM

think of the mordida's one could buy with 74 million dollars...... :light:

motoged - 5-5-2009 at 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bajajack
One thing for certain, you're not gonna make to many friends here typing in all caps! :fire:

HEY, BJ.....CAPS ARE OK ....I DON'T HAVE TO LOOK FOR MY READING GLASSES SO QUICKLY....

THE ETIQUETTE OF CYBER-WRITING IS A GUIDELINE MORE THAN AN 11TH COMMANDMENT....TAKE SOME DEEP BREATHS AND RELAX A BIT :light:

ramuma53 - 5-5-2009 at 11:05 AM

Ok Olivia and Narc the offer was made and you cant promise that you are no longer going to brake the law and that is final, keep trying.
Since I will not allow a criminal to be in my property, the permit you had to cross my property is no longer granted, from now on, nor you or any person related in any way to you can use my property or even come in to my property; all your vehicles are baned form my property and if you do it by force you will be prosecuted each and every time.
If you want to access your restaurant, you and your customers will have to leave your cars on the road; if you try to enter by force we will defend my property in any way legal.
That is the only way to deal with criminals.

ELINVESTIG8R - 5-5-2009 at 11:14 AM

Rafael, as stated before I have no idea who is right or wrong in this issue but please do not have a knee jerk reaction to what is said here by the opposition and ban them or other people from accessing their property on one of your roads. That is not right either. Let the justice system work and don't become judge and executioner either. Please try and control your anger and reconsider your decision. David

LAZY

OLIGUACOMOLE - 5-5-2009 at 11:16 AM

Quote:

One thing for certain, you're not gonna make to many friends here typing in all caps! :fire:

Your right I'm just a lazy....and I like it that way!

Bajajack - 5-5-2009 at 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by OLIGUACOMOLE
One thing for certain, you're not gonna make to many friends here typing in all caps! :fire:

Your right I'm just a lazy....and I like it that way!

Yes that's very obvious. :rolleyes:

Sharksbaja - 5-5-2009 at 11:31 AM

" I will not allow a criminal to be in my property, the permit you had to cross my property is no longer granted"

Guilty until proven innocent or innocent till proven guilty? Did you not just say that Mexico changed that.

Please do not block my entrance ....again.

OLIGUACOMOLE - 5-5-2009 at 11:34 AM

Please do not do the blocky the entrance thingy again... business is so bad that:
I have been making up some jokes about how bad the business is:

Business is so bad that: I have to wear different shoes just to have a pair!

Business is so bad that: When people come in for a beer, before they leave I ask for spare change for a cup of coffee!

Business is so bad that: When I offer to take Oli out for dinner, I serve her outside.

Business is so bad that: When we go out for a beer, we split one. When Oli takes a drink I have to kiss her just to get some!

Business is so bad that: We consider flies customers!

Business is so bad that: We tip ourselves after having a beer, just to feel good!

Business is so bad that: I would consider serving food to Munoz!

DENNIS - 5-5-2009 at 11:38 AM

What round is this?

KAT54 - 5-5-2009 at 12:44 PM

Munoz
You forgot to answer.
Mark said your employees pictures are up on the
drug capture board at the military check point just north of Loreto.
Is this true?

Skipjack Joe - 5-5-2009 at 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ramuma53
Ok Olivia and Narc the offer was made and you cant promise that you are no longer going to brake the law and that is final, keep trying.
Since I will not allow a criminal to be in my property, the permit you had to cross my property is no longer granted, from now on, nor you or any person related in any way to you can use my property or even come in to my property; all your vehicles are baned form my property and if you do it by force you will be prosecuted each and every time.
If you want to access your restaurant, you and your customers will have to leave your cars on the road; if you try to enter by force we will defend my property in any way legal.
That is the only way to deal with criminals.

Why are you addressing Mark and Olivia here on this board?

Why don't you say what you want to say to them directly and in person?

I feel like I'm listening in on a party line.

Pescador - 5-5-2009 at 03:27 PM

Quote:

You know when I read the stuff on the website, I was starting to think that maybe I had misjudged and there was a chance that Senor Munoz was trying to be a law abiding citizen, had a level head, and was sensible. Now after this posting and some of the others, I see a definite pattern that says my assessment is faulty. The only thing I can say is thank goodness I do not have to deal with someone of that caliber as a next door neighbor. In 19 pages, there has been no attempt to work or resolve any issue, instead we get immature name calling and innuendo with no attempt to resolve any issue. The courts will decide whatever they are going to decide but I certainly have my suspicions or at least my feelings with who I hope comes out ahead on this whole issue.

shari - 5-6-2009 at 08:20 AM

Oh Don Don Don...you are a bad boy...funniest post in this whole thread!

It would be interesting to see some stats on just how many people have read it and how many are addicted to it and click on it....alot. I know I relentlessly (sucker for punishment and mitotes) click on it every time I see a new post so in the last 16 pages I myself have clicked on it dozens of times.

Hook - 5-6-2009 at 08:30 AM

Shari, it is #3 all time in terms of posts (with a shot at making #2) but not in the top 5 in terms of views.

I think many have lost interest............except the combatants.

http://forums.bajanomad.com/stats.php

ramuma53 - 5-6-2009 at 11:38 AM

Sorry KAT54
sometimes I have to work
All my employees are at their posts in the hotel but I have a lot of employees that work at my hotel and a lot of them work there for a couple of weeks and then go so I can not deny or confirm what you ar saying but it is irrelevant in any way to this; if I were involved in something maybe.
This only show how desperate they are to try to find something with what make us forget that they are the crmiminals; they say Ok Im am wrong but you also are wrong and this is not the case.
Olvia and Mark have acused me of a lot of things formally and none has progresed because in each and every case I have demostrated legally that I am not wrong or unlawful; at the same time I have accused them formally of violence 9 times and they are sitll being subjected to trial for those crimes; that mean that they have not been able to demostrate that they are inocent.
I am not just talking, look at the documents I am showing on the webpage, one is the result of the federal investigation where they accused me of usinf falsified documents, they investigated and found that my title is where it is supposed to be, in the SRA official file and I was exonerated of that crime.
Of course I am not the only one who have acused Olivia and Mark or her ex Mike George.
James Rusell Hicks a 65 year old American cityzen, was wounded in the restaurant by Mark and Olivia and one of their employees in October 2007; they hit him over the head with a machete, they tought that he was dead and carried him to the sea and dumped him but at the time he felt the salty sea water in his wounds, he waked up and yell; several people form the hotel and my employees came and heard Olivia saying Mark Kill him, Kill him but he was recued by several of my giests and employees; he made a formal complait with the police; they charged Olivia, Mark and her employee with wounds with intent to kill, but guess what happened. Olivia adn Mark was aprehended but were out in 2 days on bail; to this day, the charges were proved; they sentenced only the employee and he has never served a day in jail; the investigation came back because they did not prosecuted Olivia and Mark and it is still pending investigation, that was 3 yeasrs ago.
In 1996 Olivia and her husband Mike Jorge were sentenced for fraud for taking the money of an American couple and never deliver what they promised, they never paid a penny to them.
In my web page there is a document from the police to the Inmigration authorities showing that Mark Burbey is being prosecuted for robery, robery with violence, destruction of property and a lot more.
It is impossible for somebody in Mexco to be free on more than 2 bails, wel she has now 10 open criminal investigations and is free on 2 bails, now she is free on the third one for the turtle.
Everybody told me they smelled something there because it is legally impossible then we found out that the Estate District Attorney was ordering her cases disapear without a trial, but that is a big fish acting in favor of a small fish, something was wrong, deeply wrong; somebody had to be behid her and the Ejido certainly is not.
The we found out that 2 of her brothers were killed in drug wars in Mexically and folowed the lead; we found out that she is a relative of El Gordo, the Mafia chieftan in Mulege, a guy who normally invite the Estate District Attorney to his ranch in Mulege and the connection was made; she was being protected by the mafia and they were using their district attorney connection to stop all her prosecutions; in fact she can commit any crime she want and feel safe from prosecution; that is why she act like that and why I have to act like this.

[Edited on 5-6-2009 by ramuma53]

[Edited on 5-6-2009 by ramuma53]

ramuma53 - 5-6-2009 at 11:45 AM

Well Olivia and Mark, I told you and I will do it as soon as I am back at the hotel, it is my property and if you want to go to your restaurant you will be free to do it on foot.
But don't worry, your other business is there, o I forgot that the Army is raiding you place very often and is unsafe for you now.
Sorry Olivia but I am offering the Marine outpost to give them an office so they have a permanent presence there so your 1 minute clients will not arrive also; the beach merchants are being checked also by the army because we already know how you distribute the merchandise to the beaches, so don count on them either.

Cypress - 5-6-2009 at 11:51 AM

Jeez! raumua53, no white/brown slavery charges? Prostitution? No loan sharking? No child labor? No porno charges? Gosh! We're waiting for the rest of the story.

Accusations

Skipjack Joe - 5-6-2009 at 12:24 PM

Why not go all the way, ramuma?

ThompsonWatergate.jpg - 33kB

Bajaboy - 5-6-2009 at 12:33 PM

Charges....can you charge that to my room please?

KAT54 - 5-6-2009 at 12:40 PM

We are getting on Munoz quite a bit
but he does have evidence and
documentation to support his claims.
He might be telling the truth.
Now Mark
Is this true about Olivias ties to the Mexican Mafia?
Is her family protecting her when she gets in trouble?
Is she really using the area for drug trafficing?
Munoz seems to be very confident about his claims.

Byron - 5-6-2009 at 01:01 PM

If all these claims by ramuma are true , then who is protecting him after publicly stating them?

[Edited on 5-6-2009 by Byron]

ELINVESTIG8R - 5-6-2009 at 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ramuma53
Well Olivia and Mark, I told you and I will do it as soon as I am back at the hotel, it is my property and if you want to go to your restaurant you will be free to do it on foot.

Rafael as I stated above:

Quote:

Originally posted by ELINVESTI8
Rafael, as stated before I have no idea who is right or wrong in this issue but please do not have a knee jerk reaction to what is said here by the opposition and ban them or other people from accessing their property on one of your roads. That is not right either. Let the justice system work and don't become judge and executioner either. Please try and control your anger and reconsider your decision. David

It would be a nice gesture on your part and shows you have compassion and are not vindictive toward anyone even if you are attacked by a few here. It will not show any weakness on your part for rescinding your decree but it will show you have a great Character.

ramuma53 - 5-6-2009 at 02:04 PM

Cypress
Please don't give her ideas

ramuma53 - 5-6-2009 at 02:09 PM

KAT54
Just review the documents I am showing in the www.munoz-industries.com/vaquera.html there you can see the official letter from the police to the Inmigration Office informing them about the criminal trails Mark Jerome Burbey is subjected to and giving all the official criminal number cases.
What else do you want, just ask for it I will put it there; that is their problem, I have every paper there is to support what I say and they don't

ramuma53 - 5-6-2009 at 02:18 PM

Byron
Vey good question even if it is an obvious one.
On the last days of March, there was an atempt to kidnap me on my hotel, the atempt was frustrated because I have my private securty people, but at that time there were a couple of PGR guys who chased them at 4 AM to Mulege; of course denouncing Narcs is a dangerous business but it has to be done, if not, they already won and I am not that easy; for that action I can not acuse Olivia, but remember that just a few days latter on April 4 at 3:30 AM 2 boats were being unloaded on Olivias ramp; clearly they needed me out of there one way or the other.
That day the Army took me to La Paz, that was a Saturday and the next day on Sunay we saw El Gordo (Olivia's relative) going in to the Estate Palace on a Sunday in La Paz; of course my next step was San Diego California direct.
I never said it is easy or safe, but I will not be pushed from my property by a bunch of narcs.

ramuma53 - 5-6-2009 at 02:26 PM

ELINBEST8
I will gladly do it, in fact I have been doing it for years without any obligation, but let me ask you a question.
Would you allow a neighbor that acts like Olivia to every day cross your property? When she asked me to allow her to cross my property in a civil way, I just asked her to ask me in writing, she did it and I granted her the right to cross my property with her cars, but she is miss using it and acting in an uncivil way, commiting crimes; what would you do in my place?????
You see that I proposed her to just quit breaking the law and I would allow her to stay, what was her respose? just read it above.
I will allow her to continue with her restaurant business as long as she quit selling unlawfull things, drughs or turtle and allow free access to the boat ramp to aevery people who want to use it; in exchange I will even lend her some land to use it as parking for her customers; do you think it is fair enough ??? only she have actually to do it.

ELINVESTIG8R - 5-6-2009 at 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ramuma53
ELINBEST8
I will gladly do it, in fact I have been doing it for years without any obligation, but let me ask you a question.
Would you allow a neighbor that acts like Olivia to every day cross your property? When she asked me to allow her to cross my property in a civil way, I just asked her to ask me in writing, she did it and I granted her the right to cross my property with her cars, but she is miss using it and acting in an uncivil way, commiting crimes; what would you do in my place?????
You see that I proposed her to just quit breaking the law and I would allow her to stay, what was her respose? just read it above.
I will allow her to continue with her restaurant business as long as she quit selling unlawfull things, drughs or turtle and allow free access to the boat ramp to aevery people who want to use it; in exchange I will even lend her some land to use it as parking for her customers; do you think it is fair enough ??? only she have actually to do it.

Rafael, If you are a good human being and are not vindictive "Y estoy agarrando la onda que eres una persona decente" then let them have the right to cross your land until all is finally settled in court. Even though I like to think of myself as a tough guy I would like to think I would continue with an agreement even though I would like to do something else. That's called Character "Pienso que eso lo tienes tambien. "Buen caracter." David

ramuma53 - 5-6-2009 at 06:17 PM

ELINVEST8
You are lot tougher negotiator than her.
my only problem is that in court nothing is going to be settled because I am not in court anymore, it is only her and 4 Americans; my title was already recognized in court and the motion to void my title denied; also the Ejido dropped their claims recognizing my title and my rights, so I have nothing left in court to be settled; so I cannot win or she cannot lose because nothing is in the pot.
That mean that I have nothing to win, but having friends like you must be difficult.
Ok, she continue to have access for her cars through my property as long as she do not commit more crimes, but if you think that I will accomplish anything with that, I don't think so, I think she, sooner or later will hang herself, so I take my words back anyway. She is allowed again.

shari - 5-6-2009 at 06:23 PM

mi respeto compa en la lucha por paz...elinvest you are now "The Negotiator"...gotta nice ring to it eh!

ELINVESTIG8R - 5-6-2009 at 07:34 PM

Rafael, I am so very happy that you decided to take the very high road and allow them access. I know it's hard to for you to do considering what has happened in the past. I truly believe Rafael, that you are a better person for having reconsidered your position and you show everyone you are a man of your word and of good character. I realize you no longer have a court fight with Olivia and Mark what I was referring to is their turtle problem. Let the turtle problem make its way through the court system then see what you need to do after the matter is settled. I for one hope they did not do it because I would someday like to come down and visit all of you guys. Thank you again Rafael. David.

P.S. Hi Shari, I just did not like seeing how people were stirring the pot in here when it was not necessary. Thank you for the compliment but I truly thank Rafael for listening with his heart to someone he does not know then to make that hard decision not to close the access to Olivia and Mark. I believe it took guts for him to come to that decision. Rafael has my total respect.

coho - 5-6-2009 at 08:21 PM

It is wonderful to see some sanity returning to this situation with the great mediation that has occurred. I salute you Mr Munoz for softening your heart. I am sure you feel better inside and the Baja Nomad community uplifted by your generosity and understanding in granting continued access for your neighbors. In the heat of the battle many derogatory and defamatory remarks have been made by both sides. Is it possible that both sides could state their apologies here before us all....shake hands at next meeting...and for a moment in time declare a cease fire. Life is short. Anger destroys. Peace and love?

BajaGringo - 5-6-2009 at 08:23 PM

and fish tacos???

ILikeMex - 5-7-2009 at 08:46 AM

For what it is worth, I believe Ramuna53. The law seems to be on his side as well.
Why would he try to setup Olivia to put her out of business (lies, Turtle plant etc) when it seems he could have a much easier time and legally do it by cutting off access to her restaurant?

KAT54 - 5-7-2009 at 10:15 AM

He can not cut off the restruant.
He has already allowed them to use the passage.
Mark could file a lawsuit for damages and Munoz would have to pay.
It is too late for a fence.
That ship has sailed.
He is probably worried about the mafia connection that Mark has not addressed.
I think i would worry too if it is true.
I am wondering about these relatives of Olivias.

gnukid - 5-7-2009 at 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Byron
If all these claims by ramuma are true , then who is protecting him after publicly stating them?

Sometimes its necessary to confront problems or problematic neighbors, even claims against powerful people.

Interestingly, those who are the most dangerous and powerful rarely respond to the claims of criminal activity. Actions are far more powerful than words. That is why the threat to close access was only a threat, if he did take action that would precipitate action from the other party and their associates.

FYI Its best to leave both these lucheros alone to wallow in their mess. Its not going to get better, only worse.

Viva Mexico

OLIGUACOMOLE - 5-7-2009 at 11:16 AM

What can we say more to this situation???? We have answered nearly all questions asked. We are impressed by the interest of this thread. I did not know what a thread was before the Nomad forum. All I can say is I have enjoyed it very much. Not too much gets under my skin anymore. We will try and contribute more to the Nomad under different subjects.

With all the interest of this post I think the Nomad should give Munoz and Olivia a free t-shirt. I will personally hang it in our restaurant right next to the stuffed turtle!

FYI our restaurant offers free WIFI. So if you are going by and have the urge stop...come in and check up on the Nomad. Meet Olivia and Mark and if Munoz is here go and say hello to him!

Guilty until proven innocent! The gangstas at Buenventura

ELINVESTIG8R - 5-7-2009 at 11:40 AM

My firm belief is that Rafael did not change his mind about re-granting passage to Olivia and Mark because he was scared. I am sure he has the resources to protect himself. I do believe he did so because he is a man of his word and is of good character.

woody with a view - 5-7-2009 at 11:44 AM

the line for tshirts goes around the punta, buddy. paying customers are going to be carrying pitchforks if there are any freebies given out before they get a shirt..... :lol:

o nomadic one - any news on shirts?

Howard - 5-7-2009 at 11:45 AM

I am very glad that this appears to have been temporarily resolved and no violence has occurred. In the words of the great philosopher, Rodney King, "can't we all just get along"?. I look forward to going having a beer at the cantina and wave to anyone at the hotel.

If this in fact has boiled over, now what am I going to do with my time? I have been an avid reader of this thread since the start and now I might have to go back to watching Judge Judy or something else with drama but I doubt that it will compare to this story!

Good luck to all parties and may the justice system prevail.

TheColoradoDude - 5-7-2009 at 03:52 PM

Is it possible that this is just one giant publicity stunt? Kind of like when they introduced "New Coke"?

DENNIS - 5-7-2009 at 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheColoradoDude
Is it possible that this is just one giant publicity stunt? Kind of like when they introduced "New Coke"?

Could be. I saw "Coke" mentioned more than once.

CaboRon - 5-7-2009 at 06:48 PM

Just don't expect to get an XX-Large :lol:

805gregg - 5-7-2009 at 06:58 PM

This needs to go away.

OLIGUACOMOLE - 5-7-2009 at 10:27 PM

I have more turtle goo for those who give a #@!%. I just looked through the papers from the so called inspectors of Sagarpa and Conapesca. For some reason they had orders all the way from Mazatlan an order of inspection for our restaurant by name "El Sargasso" on April 8, 2009. Conveniently they raided our restaurant on April 11, 2009 after a anonymous phone call on the same day. Inspection orders in hand from three days prior. I have checked with other local restaurants if they had been checked by these officials. I got a "no" answer from all. I did find out that a lady from Mulege was found with turtle in a pot on Playa Requeson the same day we were raided, and was told to dump the contents out in the dirt. No charges were made on her. If needed I can post her name.

How convienent it is to have all these things happen on a Saturday afternoon. Usually paid arrests happen on a Friday or a Saturday, because then the offices are closed, judges are out and you can not make bail. You will get to spend time in jail. My wife and cook get arrested on a Saturday afternoon. Jail time is mandatory. I am going to get to the bottom of this @#%$!@# corruption. I have only one person in the world that wants to cause problems for me.

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