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Woooosh - 2-22-2012 at 04:56 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
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Originally posted by latina
A denuncia is a complaint against someone, which can even be made online anonymously...


You gotta be kiddin'. Do the authorities react to these?

no Dennis, they don't. In my experience they read them and put the file on top of their desk. Until "something" makes it move one way or the other it will just sit there. The authorities owe you no explanation of how your case (denuncia) is proceeding, if it is proceeding, what has happened to the other party if anything. There are no court dates to attend and they based their decision largely behind closed doors based on the facts you put in your denuncia. It's a disjointed, non-transparent process that lends itself to corruption.

buenaventura saga

senorj3 - 2-22-2012 at 05:15 PM

Wow, Munoz spews more BS!!! I have been staying at the beach for the last 15 years!!! The last 5 Mark and Olivia have been using honda generators to operate a resturant and rental property!!!I have never seen this munoz guy once only shady workers who complain of no pay!!! I know its easy to post anything you want here!!!I will continue to support them and hope that this will all bre resolved sooner than later!!!

Lobsterman - 2-22-2012 at 05:39 PM

A 75kw EG burns from 4-6 gal/hr if it is new or in excellent working condition. I'm guessing Olivia's is an older more inefficient one in need of maintenance by a professional. I'm guessing it is burning over 6-8 gal/hr. One of the worst things you can do to an EG is to run it under loaded.

6gal/hr x 24 hrs = 144 gal/day

144 gal/day x $2.70/gal = $388/day

Insert the current $ amount for diesel fuel delivered to Olivia's for a more accurate number. So Munoz is spot on.

Diver needs to engage his brain before he opens his mouth or types. I care alot about what Munoz is trying to do, i.e clean up Mulege of the corrupt government and security officials.

[Edited on 2-23-2012 by Lobsterman]

BajaNomad - 2-22-2012 at 06:12 PM

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Originally posted by Burbs on 2-18-2012:

Our diesel generators are not used any more. We use small generators and new appliances to make things work at a considerable savings in fuel costs.








[Edited on 2-23-2012 by BajaNomad]

surfer jim - 2-22-2012 at 06:16 PM

Why would someone run that gen 24 hours a day for a couple of houses? The entire town of BOLA never even did that.:?:

desertcpl - 2-22-2012 at 07:22 PM

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Originally posted by surfer jim
Why would someone run that gen 24 hours a day for a couple of houses? The entire town of BOLA never even did that.:?:




your right, no one runs the Gen 24/7 . so this is getting to be so much BS

Santiago - 2-22-2012 at 07:37 PM

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Originally posted by surfer jim
Why would someone run that gen 24 hours a day for a couple of houses? The entire town of BOLA never even did that.:?:


That same line jumped out at me also as proof of bogusness (is that a word?)
However, I'm not sure we should be using the township of BOLA as an exemplar. I've been there.
:coolup:

Joelt - 2-22-2012 at 08:07 PM

Refrigeration maybe? Only thing I can think of.

Diver - 2-22-2012 at 09:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Burbs on 2-18-2012:
Our diesel generators are not used any more. We use small generators and new appliances to make things work at a considerable savings in fuel costs.
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Originally posted by Lobsterman
Diver needs to engage his brain before he opens his mouth or types.


I am waiting for your apology.
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Originally posted by Lobsterman
I care alot about what Munoz is trying to do, i.e clean up Mulege of the corrupt government and security officials.


And just how are you sure that is what is going on ?
That Munoz is not really the bad guy ?

Lobsterman - 2-22-2012 at 09:53 PM

An apology for what? I have a different opinion on the situation than you. My perception of you stands. From everything I've read from the turtle soup, Wooosh's Rosarito and this thread, IMO I think Olivia and Mark are crooks and are tied to the drug trade and are being protected by the crooked authorities. I believe legally Munoz owns the property according to mexican law. Whether it is fair or morally correct is besides the point. He is the only person who has published documents proving his case. Olivia and Mark have not posted anything proving it is their property, have paid anything or how they can exist with their current business model.

If you have a different opinion fine. You're entitled to your opinion as am I. I'm not on this thread looking for friends or fans, I'm looking for information so I can decide when I will go back to Mulege. Whether you like it or not I could care less.

Diver - 2-22-2012 at 11:12 PM

Lobsterfool,

You should never go to Mulege; there are dangerous folks there. :rolleyes:

If this BS has any bearing on your travel plans, you are dumber than you sound ! .:P

I thought this was all just for entertainment; any other conclusion would be silly.

Gripe-on
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XPBRes - 2-23-2012 at 12:28 AM

Diver,

How do you find the loss of my property and a dream of retirement in a paradise such as Bahia Concepcion as entertaining?

I know it's important for you to be right, but you are acting no different than Mark & Munoz.

I was there and I still don't know who is right.

I think it is incredibly insensitive of you to be entertained by our loss.

I see how easy it is for people to lose perspective with all the hearsay, accusations and the ongoing BS.

But please remember this is real and still painful for few of us following this saga.

Skipjack Joe - 2-23-2012 at 01:19 AM

Lobster,

There is nothing noble about the man. If I had to come up with his belief system it would be:

More Money - Good

Less Money - Evil

Theses two forces account for all of the man's pursuits and motivations in life. It's all in the pages he writes here and wrote on the turtle thread. If you pay attention they jump out at you.

All the baloney about his concern for those turtles and now the drug world are just smoke screens. A means to the ultimate goal. His writings make that perfectly clear.

You are free to think as you will but this is basically the very core of the man.

Yes, it's that simple. A primitive man, his life has been devoted to movement from low concentrations of wealth to high concentrations. That occupies all his time and interest.

Hardly a man to admire.

Lobsterman - 2-23-2012 at 06:25 AM

I've been to Mulege many many times. The last three times i spent about ten days at Rose and Roy's place Ecomundo inside the BOC, camping & fishing both inside and outside the bay. The last time there was also at Ecomundo but Rose and Roy had moved onto Thailand and leased out the property to a nice young Colorado couple. They thought they were going to be able to buy the place but got screwed out of their investment and went home. That's a story you do not hear here or how my good friend also got screwed out of his property in Coyote. So Mulege needs to clean up its act before people of means come back to invest in the most beautiful community and picturesque location on earth. People who do not have two sticks to rub together are not much assistance to the local mexican people. These people need $ and jobs from investments and visits from people NOB and elsewhere. I want to go back but not in its current situation.

I'm not gripping just stating a fact. Call me any name you like it just furthers my low opinion of you of how you handle an opinion that is different from yours. Really grade school behavior.

Diver - 2-23-2012 at 08:00 AM

XP,

Rather ridiculous to think I am entertained by your loss.
But then this is only the internet and who knows what's true.
No offense intended to you.

What I can only consider entertaining is Rafael's continued attempts at justification and his claims that "this will happen/that will happen ....)
And not good (funny) entertainment either but since I don't believe a word he says, what else should I call it ?

Diver - 2-23-2012 at 08:06 AM

Lobsterfool,

Easy for the pot to call the kettle black eh POT ?
Insult away ..... I'm quite sure you started the insults.

Don't know you; don't care.

[Edited on 2-23-2012 by Diver]

ELINVESTIG8R - 2-23-2012 at 08:08 AM

Lobsterman, Do not pay attention to anyone in here. Some have very closed minds. Say and believe what you want to as others have done in here. No one really knows either party well enough to say one side or the other is honest or dishonest. Rafael did show all of his documents and until proven false, they are good. I have experience in saying the following. Not all people who appear to be good people are in fact that. Conversely, people who appear to be bad people are not always in that category either. We have been waiting a long time for an official outcome where someone is judged guilty by a court of law, then incarcerated or fined. Until the last two phase(s) are accomplished, everyone should wait to make a judgment. If all the wrongdoing as stated on the turtle thread and here really happened, then people will be going to jail!

ramuma53 - 2-23-2012 at 10:40 AM

ELINVESTIG8R
You are a honest and clear mind in a difficult place and a factor that level the balance.

But you think as an American, just too much confidence on your authorities; you have to think about Mexico as if it were America during the prohibition era and think how corrupt the authorities were, that is the case now in Mexico and see everything on that light and then you will start understanding what is happening.

Concerning the Turtle soup, you are right, Olivia should have gone to jail, but as always corruption comes in to play and she just skip the penalty; she was sentenced guilty, ordered to serve time but they never told her when to start serving the time.

Do you think tthat is strange??????

The precedent and second case is the Jimmy Higgs case for attempt of murder committed by Olivia, Nark and her employees, where she asked her employee to say that he was the only guilty party for the injuries that left a permanent scar from a Machete injury to Jimmy's head; in this case the employee was sentenced to 5 years in jail but he has never served a minute, because the authorities just never told him when to start serving the time; Olivia is still subjected to trial, but the trial just disappeared from court and she has never been convicted.

On this case, she attacked Jimmy in her restaurant for defending a Mexican who Olivia didn’t want to give service because he was a Mexican and a Hotel employee; the employee just left and Jimmy started raising hell about discrimination and then Olivia and Nark just attacked him with from behing with a machete hitting him over the head and kicking him until they thought he was dead: then carried him and threw him to the sea, but he was alive and started yelling and then my hotel employees rescued him while everybody heard Olivia say to Nark ‘he is alive, kill him fast’ and Jimmy told the police that Olivia was part of the attack; the case is in limbo against Olivia and Nark.

That is the Third sentence I know she just ignore, the other one is the sentence for fraud against her and Jorge Michael, her husband because she is not divorced; the judge sentenced her to return the $50,000 dollars she stole from Mr. and Mrs. Christ but she just never complied and nothing happened.

I know that she appear to be a nice lady in front of many Nomads, but that is just the façade she use to keep her there.

Up until now, nobody with logic in his head has answered my questions about Olivia.
What was she doing armed with a Chemical weapon in my hotel during the night?????????????

Why is she not dead if my employees had weapons and she attacked them with pepper spray that is an illegal weapon in Mexico?????????

Why the police did not detain her concerning the accusations my employees did for the attack on that night and that were filled 2 days before she put her claim for struggling her while she was caught in the act on private property during the night and armed.???????????????

Why the police stormed my hotel detaining everybody including my attorney without court order or even a legal cause and 2 of my employees that have not been charged to this day are still in jail .???????

Why a hardened and cynic criminal is still on the street and being protected by the State District attorney????????????????????

Would any one of you Nomads want her as a neighbor?????????????????????????????

There are many who deffend her without any reason behind, but may any of you please answer these questions with honesty??????


[Edited on 2-23-2012 by ramuma53]

latina - 2-23-2012 at 12:00 PM

Yes, why indeed? Because the events you describe did not happen in the way you describe them, the authorities did not find cause to ask the judge to sign an order to arrest, and I am thinking by now, after incessantly wasting the time of the authorities, you are viewed as a raving lunatic every time you make another denuncia against the people you are trying to force off their property. If you present your case to the authorities the way you present it here I would be shocked to think anyone found you credible. Oh, and just because you got the attention of the press for a moment, don't think they will hover around you for long. The next story came along as soon as the ink dried on yours....

ramuma53 - 2-23-2012 at 12:07 PM

To all Nomads, this open letter will be published today or tomorrow and untill my employees are free on the Sudcaliforniano Estate Newspaper in La Paz in a whole page.

PUBLIC OPEN LETTER
C. Mexico’s President
C. District Attorney General.
C. South Baja Estate Governor Marcos Alberto Covarrubias
Mr. Governor, you won the elections with the promise that you would end aquatering in the Estate, while far from that, your Estate District Attorney GAMIL ARREOLA LEAL, in complicity with the North Zone District attorney HUGO GALINDO CAMACHO and the local District Attorney ALOY AGUILAR YEE are dedicated to use the public forces they command, to illegally invade legal private property and worst, doing it to help known criminals like MARIA OLIVIA HIGUERA AGUILAR AND THE USA CITYZEN MARK JEROME BURBEY BETTER KNOWN AS LA VAQUERA AND NARK ON THE CRIMINAL WORLD, turning the justice department in to their private armed group.
ACTIONS DENOUNCED
On February 9, 2012 Lic. Hugo Galindo Camacho Sub District Attorney North Zone and Lic. Aloy Aguiar Yee local District Attorney that belong to the Sub District Attorney North Zone office, together with the Estate pólice commander FÉLIX MURILLO and the City pólice commander RAMÓN AGUNDEZ OJEDA, togetner with 20 estate policeman and 20 city policeman, invaded Hotel Buenaventura, Km. 89 al 94.5 Trans peninsular highway, in Bahía Concepción, on the city of Mulege, without a court order or saying a Word entered to the hotel grounds, hitting my security chief and my hotel manager y and capturing with violence all my hotel personell incluiding my hotel attorney, telling them they were dead and that they were going to ¡!!!!!!!! Their mother hitting them all over with fists and weapons while my security chief ask them why they were doing it (he has been a federal police and he is attorney at law)?, ¿Do you have a court order?, to this the sub District attorney answered Galindo and the local district attorney Lic. Aloy, WE DONT NEED ANYTHING, WE ARE THE LAW AND THE CONSTITUTION IS UNDER MY NUTS, all this in front of my employees Osvaldo Arechiga Pérez, Juan Bañuelos Duran y Eleazar Miranda Real, who are the security employees, the policeman destroyed everything on the hotel lobby and in the security room they found two weapons, a 380 hand gun and a shotgun, both under legal permit from the Army to protect property taking them anyway without legal cause.
After that and finding nothing illegal, they kidnapped them and took them to Santa Rosalía, Mulege city, Baja California Sur, confiscating without cause or order both of the hotel vehicles and kept all of them until Saturday afternoon when they just let most of them out without charges all my employees but two, my security chief and hotel manager taking them to La Paz (out of jurisdiction) keeping them detained but not charged with any crime without telling them why they were detained and not allowing them to communicate, violating their article 14 constitutional rights and to this day they have not been charged with any crime, having in fact committed the crimes of kidnapping, vehicle robbery, property damage, robbery, Breaking and illegal entrance and public power abuse and public officials illegal association to commit crime and else.

After that, my attorney went to Santa Rosalia talking with Lic. Galindo and Lic. Aloy Yee, who told them that they were putting together criminal charges under case numeber MG/4/2012, for agravated robbery and squatering (meaning they at the time of the raid had no cause), both crimes that do not allow to prívate my employyes from their freedom under the constitution article 16 that does not allow authority to prívate a cityzen from their freedom; then the Estate District Attorney declaring to the press lyied when he said HIS POLICE STORMED THE HOTEL UNDER LEGAL ORDERS TO SECURE MY PROPERTY, but no such orders exist and in consequence he publicly admmits that his policeman commited a crime, because there were no previous legal orders ore ven a complain, becuase Olivia made his complain the next day for strugling her while being detained in my property during the night and armed and becuse of that it is clear, that the suposedly law man acted without legal order or complain, all helping and in complicity withh María Olivia Higuera Aguilar, alias la Vaquera and known criminal, who hold 10 criminal cases for robbery with violence, falsehood to authority and injuries with intent to kill, crimes that have accepted and also for selling a protected species as soup in her restaurant, property damage and many others under criminal cases number 14/ MGE/ 04, 28/ MGE/ 04, 24/MGE /05, 47/MGE/05, 45/MGE/06, 167/MGE/06, 99/MGE/08 all in Mulege city and some of federal order, while already sentenced for some without serving time with the help of the Estate District Attorney’s office and WHO ACCORDING TO THE NATIONAL PRESS, IS KNOW TO HAVE TIES WITH THE PACIFIC CARTELL.

Hotell San Buenaventura has legal title under my name, issued by the Federal government with number 432949, legally on the Public Registry office under scripture 340, volume 78, First section, with cadastral number 3-03-157 and free of liens and debt certificate issued by the city on December 2011, reason why it is totally unjustified for the Justice Department to invade my property and your supposed law enforcement people committed a series of crimes and cynic public power abuse helping known criminals.

BASED ON THE ABOVE SAID, EXERCICING MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS WRITEN ON THE 8TH ARTICLE I ASK FOR:

I.- My employees immediate freedom Elizabeth Espinoza Montano and Mario Alan Perez illegally kidnapped.
II.- The immediate firing and prosecution of the Estate District Attorney, the North Zone Sub District Attorney and the local District Attorney.
III.- Security given for the legal operation of my hotel.
IV.- The immediate prosecution of the Known criminals who motivated this situation, María Olivia Higuera Aguilar and the USA citizen Mark Jerome Burbey for the crimes they have committed and whose prosecution have not be legally executed with the Estate Justice department complicity.
Atentively
Rafael Muñoz Martínez
Hotel San Buenaventura legal owner
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CARTA ABIERTA
C. Presidente de la Republica
C. Procuradora General de la Republica.
C. Gobernador del Estado de Baja California Sur Marcos Alberto Covarrubias
Sr. Gobernador, usted gano la gubernatura con la promesa de acabar con las invasiones, y, sin embargo, lejos de eso, su Procurador General de Justicia GAMIL ARREOLA LEAL, en complicidad con el Sub Procurador de la Zona Norte HUGO GALINDO CAMACHO y el Agente Del Ministerio Publico ALOY AGUILAR YEE se han dedicado a utilizar las fuerzas a su mando, para despojar a inmuebles legalmente constituidos y aun peor, en apoyo a delincuentes conocidos como son MARIA OLIVIA HIGUERA AGUILAR Y EL NORTEAMERICANO MARK JEROME BURBEY MEJOR CONOCIDOS COMO LA VAQUERA Y NARK EN LOS BAJOS MUNDOS DEL HAMPA, convirtiéndose de hecho en su brazo armado.
HECHOS DENUNCIADOS
El día 09 de febrero de 2012, el Lic. Hugo Galindo Camacho Sub Procurador Zona Norte y el Lic. Aloy Aguiar Yee Ministerio Público del fuero común adscrito a la Subprocuraduría zona norte, en compañía de los comandantes de la policía ministerial FÉLIX MURILLO y de la policía municipal RAMÓN AGUNDEZ OJEDA, así como cerca de 20 elementos de las mencionadas corporaciones policiacas, invadieron el Hotel Buenaventura, Km. 89 al 94.5 Carretera Trans peninsular, en Bahía Concepción, en el municipio de Mulege, sin haber orden de autoridad competente y sin mediar palabra se introdujeron en el terreno y en el Hotel, golpeando a mi jefe de Seguridad y Administradora y sometiendo violentamente al resto del personal de vigilancia del hotel, diciéndoles que se los iba a cargar la ¡!!!!!!!!!! y que iban a ¡!!!!!!! a su madre, y dándoles cachetadas y golpes en el cuerpo con los puños y las culatas de las armas, acertando a preguntándoles mi Jefe de Seguridad, ¿por que estaban haciendo eso?, ¿que si traían una orden de cateo?, a lo que el subprocurador Galindo y el Lic. Aloy dijeron ante todos, QUE NO LA NECESITABAN, QUE ELLOS ERAN LA LEY Y QUE LA CONSTITUCIÓN SE LA PASABAN POR LOS HUEVOS, todo esto en presencia de Osvaldo Arechiga Pérez, Juan Bañuelos Duran y Eleazar Miranda Real, quienes se desempeñan como personal de vigilancia del hotel, los elementos policiacos derribaron todo en la recepción del hotel y en uno de los cuartos encontraron las armas una calibre 380 pistola y una escopeta 12 calibre, ambas registradas y con permiso legal de la Secretaria de la Defensa Nacional, decomisándolas ilegalmente.
Posteriormente, los secuestraron ilegalmente y los trasladaron a Santa Rosalía, Municipio de Mulege, Baja California Sur, tomando sin permiso dos vehículos propiedad del hotel y es el caso que hasta el día sábado por la tarde, liberaron a los empleados de vigilancia y sin decirles nada y al Jefe de Seguridad y a la Administradora los trasladaron a la ciudad de La Paz, Baja California Sur, supuestamente arraigados sin ser notificados de su calidad ni por qué los estaban privando de la libertad, violentando lo establecido por el artículo 14 constitucional, sin que a la fecha, se defina su situación jurídica, habiendo cometido los delitos Secuestro, robo de vehículos y propiedad del hotel, Allanamiento de morada y/o abuso de autoridad y/o Incumplimiento de un deber legal y/o coalición de servidores públicos y/o lo que resulte
Posteriormente nuestro licenciado, se traslado a la ciudad de Santa Rosalía entrevistándose con el Lic. Galindo y el Lic. Aloy, y quienes le dijeron que estaban integrando la averiguación previa numero MG/4/2012, por los delitos de despojo agravado y robo agravado, delitos por los cuales no procede constitucionalmente conforme al artículo 16 de la mencionada carta magna, el arraigo, mandándolos a La Paz, arraigados; luego EL MISMO PROCURADOR EN SUS DECLARACIONES DE PRENSA, MIENTE al decir que, sus elementos se presentaron en el Hotel Buenaventura A ASEGURAR UN PREDIO, pero es el caso, que NO EXISTE DICHA ORDEN Y POR LO TANTO EL MISMO ADMITE SUS DELITOS PÚBLICAMENTE, pues no existía ni siquiera denuncia previa, ya que la Vaquera hasta el día siguiente, presento una denuncia de que la habían estrujado al haberla encontrado dentro de mi propiedad en la noche y armada, por lo que es evidente que los elementos del supuesto orden, actuaron sin orden de autoridad, ni denuncia previa y todo en apoyo y complicidad con María Olivia Higuera Aguilar, alias la Vaquera y conocida delincuente, que tiene actualmente 10 averiguaciones previas por robo, robo con violencia, falsedad ante autoridad confesa, intento de asesinato, comercialización de especie protegida ‘Caguama’, daño a las cosas y muchos otros en las averiguaciones previas números 14/ MGE/ 04, 28/ MGE/ 04, 24/MGE /05, 47/MGE/05, 45/MGE/06, 167/MGE/06, 99/MGE/08 radicadas en La ciudad de Mulege así como algunas del orden federal por las que ya fue sentenciada, sin que nunca la hayan detenido en una complicidad clara de la Procuraduría de Justicia, con la criminal que según la prensa, ES CONOCIDA COMO INTEGRANTE DEL CARTEL DEL PACIFICO.
El Hotel San Buenaventura cuenta con Titulo de propiedad expedido por el gobierno Federal numero 432949, registrado ante el Registro Público de la Propiedad bajo partida 340, volumen 78, sección Primera, con clave catastral 3-03-157 y Libertad de gravamen de Diciembre 2011, por lo que está usted totalmente injustificado para invadir dicha propiedad legal y sus supuestos encargados de impartición de justicia, cometieron una serie de delitos en su cínico abuso de autoridad en apoyo a criminales conocidos.
POR LO ANTERIOR, EN EJERCICIO DE MIS DERECHOS CONSTITUCIONALES ESTABLECIDOS EN EL ARTÍCULO 8 CONSTITUCIONAL PIDO:
I.- La inmediata libertad del mis empleados María Elizabeth Espinoza Montano y Mario Alan Perez ilegalmente secuestrados.
II.- La inmediata destitución y consignación por los delitos cometidos del Procurador General de Justicia del Estado, Sub Procurador de Justicia de la Zona Norte y el Agente del ministerio Publico implicado.
III.- Se me brinde la seguridad necesaria para operar el Hotel Buenaventura.
IV.- Se Consigne a los delincuentes que motivaron este atropello, María Olivia Higuera Aguilar y el norteamericano Mark Jerome Burbey por los delitos que ya han sido denunciados y por los que nunca han sido perseguidos por la complicidad de la procuraduría de justicia.
Atentamente
Rafael Muñoz Martínez
Propietario legal del Hotel San Buenaventura.

[Edited on 2-23-2012 by ramuma53]

ramuma53 - 2-23-2012 at 12:26 PM

Todsay we received a threat from Agente Del Ministerio Publico local District attorney ALOY AGUILAR YEE who threat that if we keep printing his name, he will fabricate every crime there is on us.
Looks like public knowledge and publicity is bad for those guys

ramuma53 - 2-23-2012 at 12:33 PM

Latina or Olivia
Why don't you publish here your property papers or any court order that affect my property?????????????

I am publishing myne on a whole page on the Sudcaliforniano and I print my name on it, also why dont you explain why you have so many criminal cases open and convictions without being served?????

Also don't worry about me loosing attention, I will keep publishing untill Olivia and Nark are in jail and the corrupt public officals who help you, keep you company, remember that crime is always good news paper story and yours keep getting bigger and bigger every day.:light:

Also, now you are a national celebrity with very high attention of national authorities, smile.;D


[Edited on 2-23-2012 by ramuma53]

Roberto - 2-23-2012 at 12:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R
Lobsterman, Do not pay attention to anyone in here. Some have very closed minds. Say and believe what you want to as others have done in here. No one really knows either party well enough to say one side or the other is honest or dishonest. Rafael did show all of his documents and until proven false, they are good. I have experience in saying the following. Not all people who appear to be good people are in fact that. Conversely, people who appear to be bad people are not always in that category either. We have been waiting a long time for an official outcome where someone is judged guilty by a court of law, then incarcerated or fined. Until the last two phase(s) are accomplished, everyone should wait to make a judgment. If all the wrongdoing as stated on the turtle thread and here really happened, then people will be going to jail!


Agree 100%

As I said before, I don't trust either party farther than I can throw them.

latina - 2-23-2012 at 12:51 PM

Well, publishing that letter ought to be a nail in your coffin of credibility :)

latina - 2-23-2012 at 01:07 PM

One more thing...did you forget about the photographs at the beginning of this thread? They clearly show your employees aiming guns at unarmed persons OUTSIDE of the hotel....

wessongroup - 2-23-2012 at 02:18 PM

Here comes the "Judge" ...

roundtuit - 2-23-2012 at 05:23 PM

Lobsterman guess you don't really know Mulege and surrounding area. After Ray and Rose came Greg and Tracy at Eco Mondo,they left in 2006. Has been deserted ever since.

Woooosh - 2-23-2012 at 06:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by wessongroup
Here comes the "Judge" ...

no kidding huh? So far Ms. Latina is the only one with all the answers. What makes her the judge, jury and only credible authority on all this? Nothing. I'm still waiting for someone to show me a document that Raphael is not the legal owner of the hotel. That's the starting point imho.

Pompano - 2-23-2012 at 07:37 PM

Mark and Olivia...stopped by the beach cafe today, petted the dogs, and left you a dinner invite for March 4th at Casa Coyote..to follow up, we hope you can make it. We are grilling steaks...no turtles, just beef rib-eyes for 30 or so. Come join the fun at 3pm a week from this Sunday..4th de Marzo.

All guns, knives, grenades, etc will be checked and left at security gate for me to play with later.

Bring youir neiighbor if you are okay with that. Paz? :light:

Saludos,
Roger/Pompano

Skipjack Joe - 2-24-2012 at 01:48 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by ramuma53

Up until now, nobody with logic in his head has answered my questions about Olivia.
What was she doing armed with a Chemical weapon in my hotel during the night?????????????

Why is she not dead if my employees had weapons and she attacked them with pepper spray that is an illegal weapon in Mexico?????????

Why the police did not detain her concerning the accusations my employees did for the attack on that night and that were filled 2 days before she put her claim for struggling her while she was caught in the act on private property during the night and armed.???????????????

Why the police stormed my hotel detaining everybody including my attorney without court order or even a legal cause and 2 of my employees that have not been charged to this day are still in jail .???????



Well, I for one, am glad you brought this thread back to it's initial subject.

Frankly I found all that talk about Marc's affiliation with drugs and what sort of generator he used and how often it was used. Useless prattle. And more of the slander that we are all used from you by now.

As you point out there was a confrontation and now your 2 employees sit in jail. That's what this thread is about. Basically, there 2 sides to the story.

A. That your people confronted Marc and Olivia with guns and that they used bear spray to protect themselves. They have pictures to corroborate that. or

B. Your story that came later where Marc or Olivia attacked your people with bear spray and you had to defend yourselves with firearms.

Now maybe it's as you say that your people are in jail because of Marc and Olivia's influence. But please read the 2 versions of events and ask yourself who you would believe.

Your story is so preposterous I'm really surprised you couldn't have come up with something better. Mr Munoz, it's so pathetic it's almost comical. The idea that people with bear spray would attack men with rifles? How could you have possibly thought that anyone would believe such a story?

That's, essentially, why your people are still sitting in jail.

Skipjack Joe - 2-24-2012 at 01:54 AM

Latina,

I want to commend you on your posts. You have achieved something that only a few have.

By comparing you to Olivia he has demonstrated that you have pushed the right buttons and are now entering the world of the hated.

There aren't many like that. Marc is of course Narc because he stands in the way of acquisition. And Jesse, you don't know him, was Liar #1 because he exposed Munoz's dealings up north.

Expect to be trashed from now on and bear you scars proudly.

wessongroup - 2-24-2012 at 06:44 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Woooosh
Quote:
Originally posted by wessongroup
Here comes the "Judge" ...

no kidding huh? So far Ms. Latina is the only one with all the answers. What makes her the judge, jury and only credible authority on all this? Nothing. I'm still waiting for someone to show me a document that Raphael is not the legal owner of the hotel. That's the starting point imho.


Was intended to look down the road... to a resolution in Court ... as that will be where the "call" will be made... certainly not here

Woooosh - 2-24-2012 at 10:27 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Latina,

I want to commend you on your posts. You have achieved something that only a few have.

By comparing you to Olivia he has demonstrated that you have pushed the right buttons and are now entering the world of the hated.

There aren't many like that. Marc is of course Narc because he stands in the way of acquisition. And Jesse, you don't know him, was Liar #1 because he exposed Munoz's dealings up north.

Expect to be trashed from now on and bear you scars proudly.


Being held accountable isn't being trashed. You really need to take a visit to the OT section to see what being trashed by a Nomad looks like.

What side of the "bridge" were M&O on when all this went down? The initial story was they were on Raphael's side of the bridge and on his property. Why were they there? With what legal order? I haven't seen that document posted yet.

Cypress - 2-24-2012 at 10:45 AM

This case would get high ratings on one of those televised court programs.:yes:

Skipjack Joe - 2-24-2012 at 11:01 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Woooosh

What side of the "bridge" were M&O on when all this went down? The initial story was they were on Raphael's side of the bridge and on his property.



Really? This is a quote from the first post on this thread. Can't get more initial than that.
Quote:

This last Sunday the 5th at 8 pm two vehicles entered our property shooting off weapons. Later my wife Olivia(Mexican) confronted these persons by our little bridge and was assaulted. I took pictures handed the camera to another American tourist. Grabbed Olivia from the dirt and told them to get away and to go to the other side of the bridge. While they were going back a man fired a shotgun between us causing the American tourist and Olivia to go through the railing of the bridge and into the water landing on their sides. I had a can of bear pepper spray which I spayed onto the man with the shotgun. He started shooting wildly and 4-5 shots more happened.

Woooosh - 2-24-2012 at 11:12 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Quote:
Originally posted by Woooosh

What side of the "bridge" were M&O on when all this went down? The initial story was they were on Raphael's side of the bridge and on his property.



Really? This is a quote from the first post on this thread. Can't get more initial than that.
Quote:

This last Sunday the 5th at 8 pm two vehicles entered our property shooting off weapons. Later my wife Olivia(Mexican) confronted these persons by our little bridge and was assaulted. I took pictures handed the camera to another American tourist. Grabbed Olivia from the dirt and told them to get away and to go to the other side of the bridge. While they were going back a man fired a shotgun between us causing the American tourist and Olivia to go through the railing of the bridge and into the water landing on their sides. I had a can of bear pepper spray which I spayed onto the man with the shotgun. He started shooting wildly and 4-5 shots more happened.

So who owns what land and on which bridge? Isn't this in essence a trespass case gone loco? Raphael has posted the land title info. Forget about how the parties got the papers they got- just focus on who has the legal papers in hand when the incident occurred. We have never made it past that point in the discussion. If we have, I missed the document.

Skipjack Joe - 2-24-2012 at 11:39 AM

The essence of this thread is that Munoz is accusing the other party of crossing the bridge and accosting armed guards with a can of bear spray.

I'm suggesting that his people are sitting in jail because of this incredible account of events.

angels4 - 2-24-2012 at 11:42 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
The essence of this thread is that Munoz is accusing the other party of crossing the bridge and accosting armed guards with a can of bear spray.

I'm suggesting that his people are sitting in jail because of this incredible account of events.


Are they still locked up? I thought per Munoz today was the day they would go free, or was it yesterday?? Or last week, or the week before.... :?:

Lobsterman - 2-24-2012 at 11:54 AM

Roundtuit,

Greg and Tracy were from Colorado as I stated earlier. They lived in the upper floor above the restaurant. Rose and Roy lived in an old delapidated trailer by the basketball court when they lived there. Every morning you were awakened by the tap-tap-tap-clang of the basketball Rose used for exercise before the day got hot. The last two times there we rented the new giant palapa that Roy built the year before he left. Roy was very proud of that palapa. Once from Roy (2005) and the next year from Greg & Tracy. It was right next to La Posada. Remember.

Can you pick out Brad and Tracy from my March 2006 thread at EcoMundo? http://www.bdoutdoors.com/forums/baja-mexico-fishing-reports...

The following year 2007 we went to LA Bay
(http://www.bdoutdoors.com/forums/baja-mexico-fishing-reports...) because EcoMundo was closed since Tracy & Brad got screwed out of their investment. How come you did not post on that event? You afraid it will hurt your property values. Hear no evil, see no evil philosphy. Unfortunately for them that was hard earned money from teaching that they could not afford to lose. But it must be their fault for not knowing the culture. Right?

My last time in mexico was 2008 at La Salina just north of Ensenada. (http://www.bdoutdoors.com/forums/baja-mexico-fishing-reports...

Greg and Tracy said how you guys from La Posada were peeed at them because they would not let you hang around any more and eat their subsidized food and hog the tables that were for the guests. Bunch of freeloaders you guys were. Those were her words not mine.

[Edited on 2-25-2012 by Lobsterman]

DENNIS - 2-24-2012 at 12:06 PM

Ohhh Boy....it's startin' to heat up around here. I need to head down the hill for a box of frosty ones, settle back and dodge the blood. :lol:

Woooosh - 2-24-2012 at 12:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
The essence of this thread is that Munoz is accusing the other party of crossing the bridge and accosting armed guards with a can of bear spray.

I'm suggesting that his people are sitting in jail because of this incredible account of events.

And I am suggesting M&O were trespassing on Raphaels property when this incident occurred and he has posted the legal info and docs to back that up. Once that part of the story is clear- the discussion can logically move on to who used what force to protect their presence and possession, who acted first, and why.

Skipjack Joe - 2-24-2012 at 12:54 PM

I got what you're saying Woosh. You're repeating Munoz's words. There is NO disagreement on property ownership.

The issue is that Munoz's story of M&O crossing onto his property brandishing a can of bear spray against armed defendants sounds like a lie to anyone that reads it. Hence his people sit in jail.

senorj3 - 2-24-2012 at 03:19 PM

I f Munoz owned this property since he was 18, why did he let all this development happen with out showing any concerns of people building on it!!! Simple question, but i bet the answer will be just like all his other post BS.Ask Ted and Cheryl, Charlie and Clare, Thad and Laura, Jim and Irmma Roberto and Franca and rest in peace Dave Ron and Stan if they ever met or knew Munoz???Right or wrong what Mike did(where was Munoz)

Woooosh - 2-24-2012 at 04:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by senorj3
I f Munoz owned this property since he was 18, why did he let all this development happen with out showing any concerns of people building on it!!! Simple question, but i bet the answer will be just like all his other post BS.Ask Ted and Cheryl, Charlie and Clare, Thad and Laura, Jim and Irmma Roberto and Franca and rest in peace Dave Ron and Stan if they ever met or knew Munoz???Right or wrong what Mike did(where was Munoz)

In Mexico real estate- good and bad and right and wrong are on the abstract side. I've had squatters living on our Federal Zone concession for four years now with only a "prescripcion positiva " (not legal for federal zone). She has been able to stay with help from local friends in high-enough places - but that doesn't make her legally right for being there. The legal system is tedious. In the end only having the correct Federal Title paperwork matters. Everything eventually gets straightened out when the written federal laws are put into practice. But that can take decades which works directly against most of our retirement plans for peace, love and fish tacos in Baja..

[Edited on 2-24-2012 by Woooosh]

XPBRes - 2-24-2012 at 07:09 PM

Mike, Mark & Olivia at best have a lease with the Ejido. They have no claims to ownership.

Munoz has shown documents of ownership as to private property. Why Munoz waited so long to show up is a valid? If his documents are real it doesn’t matter!

Why is this still going on? That is the big ?????

Mexico justice, as it pertains to land ownership. You can’t bring your American thinking in to this argument.

The bridge,
It separates the restaurant (South) from the Hotel (North).

[Edited on 2-25-2012 by XPBRes]

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Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

bajaguy - 2-24-2012 at 07:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by XPBRes
The bridge,
It separates the restaurant (South) from the Hotel (North).





The famous "Bridge Over Troubled Waters"..............

Diver - 2-24-2012 at 07:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Lobsterman
Roundtuit,

Greg and Tracy were from Colorado as I stated earlier. They lived in the upper floor above the restaurant. Rose and Roy lived in an old delapidated trailer by the basketball court when they lived there. Every morning you were awakened by the tap-tap-tap-clang of the basketball Rose used for exercise before the day got hot. The last two times there we rented the new giant palapa that Roy built the year before he left. Roy was very proud of that palapa. Once from Roy (2005) and the next year from Greg & Tracy. It was right next to La Posada. Remember.

Can you pick out Brad and Tracy from my March 2006 thread at EcoMundo? http://www.bdoutdoors.com/forums/baja-mexico-fishing-reports...

The following year 2007 we went to LA Bay
(http://www.bdoutdoors.com/forums/baja-mexico-fishing-reports...) because EcoMundo was closed since Tracy & Brad got screwed out of their investment. How come you did not post on that event? You afraid it will hurt your property values. Hear no evil, see no evil philosphy. Unfortunately for them that was hard earned money from teaching that they could not afford to lose. But it must be their fault for not knowing the culture. Right?

My last time in mexico was 2008 at La Salina just north of Ensenada. (http://www.bdoutdoors.com/forums/baja-mexico-fishing-reports...

Greg and Tracy said how you guys from La Posada were peeed at them because they would not let you hang around any more and eat their subsidized food and hog the tables that were for the guests. Bunch of freeloaders you guys were. Those were her words not mine.



Making friends again eh Lobsterdude ?? :lol: :lol: :lol:

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desertcpl - 2-24-2012 at 07:58 PM

just one little observation here,, seems like alot of Newbies

have joined this discussion :?::?::?:

Woooosh - 2-24-2012 at 08:57 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by bajaguy
Quote:
Originally posted by XPBRes
The bridge,
It separates the restaurant (South) from the Hotel (North).


The famous "Bridge Over Troubled Waters"..............


I Was thinking "Don't Cross the River If You Can't Swim the Tide".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1v4ROb5HS8
:saint:

wessongroup - 2-24-2012 at 09:16 PM

Or, how about the "Bridge of Sighs" .... this one should slow ya down a bit .. :biggrin::biggrin:

ramuma53 - 2-24-2012 at 09:32 PM

Why did I wait????
I had a rent contract with Roberto and Franca, they brought Olivia as manager and then fired her making her sign in front of a public notary that she does not own anything on the hotel and I mean the building, because the land has always been mine.
For those of you who do not know, the bridge does not separate my property from Olivia’s, it is on Federal Zone connecting my property with my property, only the part that is over the water is Federal Zone, but both sides are my property, Olivias live only in a 20 mts. strip from the sea and that hardly cover the restaurant and house, she was caught on my property during the night and she ran to the bridge, but she would have to enter my property again on the other side.
The question that everybody avoids is
WHAT WAS OLIVIA DOING IN MY PROPERTY DURING THE NIGHT AND WITH PEPER SPRAY ON HER HANDS?????
IF SHE KNEW THAT MY PEOPLE HAD GUNS, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN CRAZY TO SPRAY THEM WITH PEPER SPRAY, WHY DID SHE DO IT????
IF MY PEOPLE WAS THREATHENING HER WITH A SHOTGUN AND A PISTOL, WHY WOULD SHE SPRAY THEM WITH PEPER SPRAY??? IT WOULD BE SUICIDAL.
The only explanation is that my people caught her stealing on my Hotel as usual, they chased her to the bridge without showing the guns and when they caught her, she sprayed them to avoid being caught and then my people showed the guns and she jumped to the water scared following Nark, who jumped first leaving her behind. It is the only explanation, any other bring inconsistencies.
Today, Olivia went to a Press conference offered by the Estate District attorney and told the press that the Estate District Attorney did not help her.
The Este District Attorney told the press that he was upholding the law, something that other administrations had not done before.
But he did not explain why he did it without a court order???
He did not explain why he acted without a previous claim and in a Private property.
He did not show any court order against my property.
He did not explain why he called to help him a convicted criminal who has an order to serve jail sentence and is out.
He did not explain how is it possible that I had a previous claim against Olivia trying to squatter on 3 of my houses, was caught in the act, my manager opened a criminal case against her and she did not denied the charges, but never was prosecuted as usual, the case is the MLG\61\2011 September 24 and that mean, that he had a legal criminal case against Olivia, where she did not denied the charges and then she went and claimed that she owned those houses and the Estate District attorney just believed her, without showing any court order against my property or me and just acted to give her what the courts cannot give her. Case Closed, the District Attorney is guilty of invading private property, abuse of power, stealing vehicles, damages and more, while Olivia is guilty of trying and then succeeding to squatter a private property with official help.
Did any of you ask why if my property is Private Property, she having a contract with an ejido is asking for my property????????????????
Why does the Ejido dropped his claim against me while someone with just a rent contract with the Ejido is claiming what the ejido accept is not his property????????????????
If you see any of her contracts with the Ejido La Purisima, you will see that they say they are renting on Km. 94.5 while Buenaventura is on Km. 93.8 and that mean, that she rented north of my property and trying to confuse authorities in to giving her my property while the Ejido have no claim against me.
Just ask her to show the rent contract she has with the ejido and you can clearly see she is wrong but of course, that should have been clear to a District Attorney, but then why did he helped her????????????
The only answer is that she is trying to steal a private property with the help of the Estate District Attorney and that makes the Estate District attorney guilty of several crimes and I WILL NOT STOP UNTILL HE IS IN JAIL, TOGETHER WITH OLIVIA AND THE OTHER 2 DISTRICT ATTORNEYS WHO HELPED HER AND OF COURSE HIM.
My page in the SouthCaliforniano will appear every two days until they are in jail.
Do you think someone who is not right can publish that letter and not being prosecuted??????
Why Olivia or Latina does not show a court order affecting my property and me here?????
Why she didn’t need that court order so the police who usually need you to pay their gas to investigate a crime, go in to my property in mass?????
How much does that raid cost her??????? Directed by the North Zone district Attorney on the Estate District Attorneys orders?????
What dark force protects Olivia and Nark against any criminal charge???????
Just try answering any of those questions with honesty.

senorj3 - 2-25-2012 at 08:57 AM

Might be new to nomad, but not to baja and Playa Buenaventura. So when did you start your rent contract with them after Mike and Roberto built the hotel? 25k and a promise of another 400k, that never happened!! You have been to italy and are friends? Come on you have pushed people and authorities around with money and paperwork, that at best is fraudelent!!! So many crimes you have cited adainst Mark (not Nark) and Olivia and they are not in jail!!! You should just walk away and hope you can save face and let playa buenaventura, return to its name of beach of good fortune, so people of all countries can return and enjoy it!!!

Woooosh - 2-25-2012 at 09:57 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by senorj3
Might be new to nomad, but not to baja and Playa Buenaventura. So when did you start your rent contract with them after Mike and Roberto built the hotel? 25k and a promise of another 400k, that never happened!! You have been to italy and are friends? Come on you have pushed people and authorities around with money and paperwork, that at best is fraudelent!!! So many crimes you have cited adainst Mark (not Nark) and Olivia and they are not in jail!!! You should just walk away and hope you can save face and let playa buenaventura, return to its name of beach of good fortune, so people of all countries can return and enjoy it!!!

If anything, this thread has made people want to pass by that spot without stopping. It has certainly done nothing to enhance the reputation of that place. I seriously doubt any papers Raphael has are fraudulent. You may not like the methods or processes he used to obtain them, but that is all water under that bridge now. Deal with his ownership rights and find future solutions to this situation based on the legal papers people have in their hands, not emotion or even justice. jmho.

ramuma53 - 2-25-2012 at 11:01 AM

sonorj3

That is what you hope for, but you will never get it, and they are going to jail, they just went over the line and are now National news together with the Estate District Attorney and that is not good for her business and I do not mean her hamburger business.

Nark is Nark Jerome Burbey because he sell drugs, charge for letting drugs land on Federal Zone and because he is accomplice to Olivia and all her crimes and also because he tried to Kill Jimmy Higgs.

I am in every day contact with Roberto and Franca who are in Italy and he has been my friend for many years.

Roberto made the mistake of hiring Olivia as Hotel Manager and she just stole from him so much that he had to fire her, then she tried to steal the hotel and failed, but obviously she keep trying. I have a public notary witnessed document with her signature on it, where she accept these facts and that she does not own anything on the hotel.

MY contract with Roberto, cover only the land and he built the hotel, then he sold me what he built on my own property and he has received payment.


Olivia and George Michael were operating a hoar house at the Federal Zone restaurant but just in Federal Zone and then started bringing drugs from Sinaloa in her Cessna airplane and boats; and the Americans who were there know all of these facts, just ask them; they even declared to the police that they were bringing the dope in the plane in shoe boxes; they knew and some of them participated on the business. (Do you know any other taco stand owner on a far away beach who owns airplanes and boats???)

Then Michael George left with a 16 year old hoar, leaving Olivia and went to live in Sinaloa doing the same business, where some say died a couple of years ago, he left before Roberto and Franca did the same; The boats and planes went with him leaving Olivia with just a hamburger place on Federal Zone on a far away beach, but now she knew the business and contacts.

Nark, then Mark Jerome Burbey, arrived as a tourist and just convinced the old lady Olivia( he is 12 years younger than her) that he would take care of her and help her with the business; he and his father had a printing business in California, then he came to Baja avoiding paying child support.


Then I started to see how they were operating during the nights and how they were bringing mobile homes and making secret compartments, then the drugs unloading and all that was caught on my security system and is in possession of Navy intelligence and PGR intelligence.


When Roberto and Franca left knowing all this, we put a stop to those activities and started lending the hotel to the Federal Police to gather evidence against Olivia and Nark.

Then Olivia started to become dangerous and violent and she started to collect criminal cases against her, but strangely, never prosecuted, at this time she has 14 criminal cases and 2 federal, while she has been convicted on 2 without serving a day in jail or paying what the judge ordered as penalty.

Then we discovered that she was cousin to the local drug lord's wife, he then belonged to the Arellano Cartel, but then El Tigrillo was caught near Mulege where his resting home was located and the Mulege drug lord came down from grace and we believe Olivia went to the Pacific cartel.


Of course she kept working her hamburger business and acting like a normal person during the day and as a face to Americans, but she kept her ambitions.

The Estate District attorney office kept protecting her, but just passively, only protecting her from prosecution; your were able to see the line of patrol cars every day after an unloading; the policeman even embraced Nark and Olivia in public and all that was also caught on my security camera, then a robotic camera was installed and the data went through internet directly to the Federal Police.

Then the local Navy commander changed coats and started attacking us and opening the road for the unloading and we denounced this to the Federal Police, Federal Military judicial police and the president, the crooked commander was removed.


Now, the new Estate District attorney, started acting as her armed arm and call on her to defend him; and remember that she is being prosecuted for lying to judicial authorities and she confessed to this crime. She has 2 convictions and 14 open criminal cases; every word here is documented in criminal files. (Would you use this kind of person to defend you if you were the Estate District attorney????)

At this time, the National Hotel Association and the National developers association are getting ready to start a press campaign in my support.

By next week, my newspaper open letters will start to come with those associations and more seals and they will start lobbing with the president and other political parties to correct this situation, where a whole Estate government is put in to action to help the drug runners.

Today a political magazine published the case and remember that we are in a pre Presidential and congress campaign that will start in a few days. www.laverdadrevista.com

This is not political, it is real and they know it and may become a Presidential Issue, because the PAN candidate is proposing to give life in prison to any politician who help the organized crime and she may have to start with one of her own party, the Baja South governor and Estate District attorney

[Edited on 2-25-2012 by ramuma53]

Skipjack Joe - 2-25-2012 at 11:26 AM

Wow. You are one angry man.

Is this all worth it?

I think the beaches of Normandy were acquired with less effort than what you've put in for that hundred yards of sand.

Woooosh - 2-25-2012 at 11:39 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Wow. You are one angry man.

Is this all worth it?

I think the beaches of Normandy were acquired with less effort than what you've put in for that hundred yards of sand.

Of course it is worth it. This is just his time and some letters. No big deal. I doubt he's even upset about it- just business as usual down here.

It was smart of Raphael to teach us Nomads about Mexican land title laws the past few years. We are now educated spectators and ask the right questions. How could anyone reading this thread fall into the same ejido trap?

Skipjack Joe - 2-25-2012 at 11:55 AM

Hey, Woosh.

Can you let the man speak for himself.

You're starting to get on my nerves.

comitan - 2-25-2012 at 12:38 PM

Woooosh

Cobwebs, clear them out !!! and you will be able to see more clearly.

Diver - 2-25-2012 at 12:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Hey, Woosh.

Can you let the man speak for himself.

You're starting to get on my nerves.


AGREED !

Cypress - 2-25-2012 at 12:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by lencho
Quote:
Originally posted by ramuma53
Nark is Nark Jerome Burbey because he sell drugs, charge for letting drugs land on Federal Zone and because he is accomplice to Olivia and all her crimes and also because he tried to Kill Jimmy Higgs.

Rafael--

With all due respect, why do you come here to discuss this case? We have nothing to do with how the legal situation will be decided; why do you even care what people on this forum think? :?:

:light:

David K - 2-25-2012 at 12:58 PM

If he cared so much about this place he has owned since he was 18, why han't he been there for over three years to see fo himself what he has claimed to be going on?

Woooosh - 2-25-2012 at 02:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Hey, Woosh.

Can you let the man speak for himself.

You're starting to get on my nerves.

Good. When you try to curb free speech it should touch a nerve. Raphael is a BajaNomad. You may not like it, but he owns that land and has the only legal title to it. Stop beating that dead horse- it is his. Curb your baseless accusations against him until you can back them with documents and facts. It just makes you sound like a broken record.

Why are you trying to make this a right or wrong thing- it has been already been said by me and many others that all parties misbehaved badly in some manner or another. There is no shame in Mexico and no Mexican will look down on Raphael or Olivia for swindling the system and each other to get ahead. It's a sport down here.

Diver - 2-25-2012 at 03:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Woooosh
.... he owns that land and has the only legal title to it.


And just how do you know this to be true ?
Hopefully not just from the things he has posted; anyone can post anything.

This is my point.
Just how does anyone know anything in this mess.
And what could he possibly hope to accomplish by his continued posts on Nomads ?
He MUST have better things to do (as my wife keeps reminding me).....
Personally, I can make no judgement of the facts in this case; I can only judge the personal conduct of the participants.

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Marla Daily - 2-25-2012 at 05:20 PM

What has happened to the peace and love on this fish taco site?
That's the heartbeat of this website. Some people sure
have taken some wrong turns!

Roberto - 2-25-2012 at 05:56 PM

Marla, you must not come here often. :lol::lol:

Woooosh - 2-25-2012 at 06:01 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Marla Daily
What has happened to the peace and love on this fish taco site?
That's the heartbeat of this website. Some people sure
have taken some wrong turns!

Really Marla, you think this is more than a civil discussion of Mexican land title, Ejido and land trespass/possession issues? I don't. I think it has been fairly tame. Maybe you meant the posting of a photo on Facebook of Mark's "new house" he just took from someone who built and paid for it. Yes Marla, that's the real baja spirit. I don't think so. Sadly the thread follows the actions of those involved. It isn't pleasant and there won't be peace for many years on this, imho.

I am interested in the Mexican land law issues, especially when it applies to fellow Nomads. I am in a land dispute myself and have been learning about the law. Raphael has posted and published the land title SRA file number for the parcel of land in PB. He's put his head on the chopping block by calling out everyone in BCS government in the press. If he's not legally correct- they will surely let him know in a hurry.

Of course all the scandalous details (aside from the legal points) are Nomad fodder. Newbies popping up and former residents chiming in to trash both sides. I do have to admit I find the plot and players telenovela worthy.

The reason this thread is heading south is there is no more factual information and people are still thinking someone involved was in the right.

So... what's with guy getting whacked in the head with a machete and tossed in the ocean to die? Did he threaten to give up the famous PB Turtle Soup recipe? Def. telenovela worthy.

[Edited on 2-26-2012 by Woooosh]

Shakespeare wrote.....

bajaguy - 2-25-2012 at 06:19 PM

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks", but in this case it's the attorney...........

wessongroup - 2-25-2012 at 06:31 PM

Or, maybe its just a:

ELINVESTIG8R - 2-25-2012 at 07:39 PM



Whoooosh do your best and flush the rest! Pay no attention to anyone! Some are starting to raise their ugly heads again telling people what they should and should not do/say! I guess I need to come back!!


Doug, are you able to put back what you took off over there for me. If you can will you please put it back? Thank you!

XPBRes - 2-25-2012 at 07:43 PM

Wooosh,

I don't find it trashing, but instead sharing more information that I think is pertinent.

If you like the information Munoz has shared with you I have 5 years of emails that I could share with you. I find it all very interesting and informative, but most people can't put there lives on hold for 10 years and still not have an outcome.

The point being for me is this is the same story I have been hearing since 2002. Olivia was going to jail and would be off the beach next week, and paradise would be restored.

If that information isn’t worth adding to the conversation I don’t know what is!

[Edited on 3-1-2012 by XPBRes]

Diver - 2-25-2012 at 07:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by wessongroup
Or, maybe its just a:



Best post of the bunch !
Big Head Todd's first 2 CD's are my Baja traveling music !

Diver - 2-25-2012 at 07:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Diver
Quote:
Originally posted by Woooosh
.... he owns that land and has the only legal title to it.


And just how do you know this to be true ?
Hopefully not just from the things he has posted; anyone can post anything.

This is my point.
Just how does anyone know anything in this mess.
And what could he possibly hope to accomplish by his continued posts on Nomads ?
He MUST have better things to do (as my wife keeps reminding me).....
Personally, I can make no judgement of the facts in this case; I can only judge the personal conduct of the participants.
.


Still waiting for some answers Woosh.

.

Roberto - 2-25-2012 at 07:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by lencho
Quote:
Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R
Pay no attention to anyone!

You think? Then why participate in a community if you're not concerned about the other members?


Dude, you only quoted five words out of the paragraph, which is difficult to do without taking someone out of context, but you managed to get it wrong. How does that happen with cut & paste?

Edit: oops, sorry you were quoting the second comment - I missed that the first time around, my bad.

That said, you keep referring to this board as a community. Is that really what it is? Imagine living in a community like this one. RUUUUUUNNNNN.

[Edited on 2-26-2012 by Roberto]

ELINVESTIG8R - 2-25-2012 at 08:06 PM

Whoooosh do not respond to anyone's demand that you justify yourself! Tell them to crawl up into the area where the sun does not shine! Ok I am just going to say it. You are some real Chicken Coop Groupers! God JR come down and scare the pee-waddle out of some of these people! So far the only one who has proven anything to be true in here is Rafael. Until I'm proven wrong Rafael, I am on your side in this matter. There, I have taken a side. And if you don’t like it, lump it you windbags!




Diver - 2-25-2012 at 08:10 PM

Wonderful post David.

So why don't you answer my questions ?
You say Rafael has proven ..... to be true ....
What has he proven and how ?
How do you know that he is the legal owner of the land ?
If you know something we don't, please enlighten us.

gnukid - 2-25-2012 at 08:11 PM

This is public information.
There has been published responses to Munoz. La Procuraduría General de Justicia del Estado responded to this case, interestingly he cites the Magna Carta (natural law) in his explanation and states that this case will not be tried in the media but instead through the legal process required by those legal entities required to manage this process.

He stated that olivia has previously presented legal copies of ownership of three buildings on the site and has been and was in possession at the time of the alleged delinquent actions - Aggravated Dispossession, Aggravated Robbery and Threats committed against them by MARIO PEREZ ALAN RIVERA AND MARY ELIZABETH ESPINOZA MONTAÑO.

"Como se comprometió la actual administración, desde el mes de Abril del 2011 la impartición de Justicia se brinda para proteger las garantías consagradas en la Carta Magna y el Código Penal y Procedimientos Penales en el Estado sin distinción alguna, dando certeza jurídica a las propiedades e inversiones en el Estado."

http://colectivopericu.wordpress.com/2012/02/24/el-caso-del-...

No author attribution

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Diver - 2-25-2012 at 08:21 PM

Thanks, Gnu

Does this article say that Olivia had legal ownership of 3 homes at the time that Rafael's goons arrived ?

I've seen many of Rafael's claims in various places; mostly things he has written or news accounts to which he has obviously fed information.
I have seen some of the same from Mark and Olivia.

I have seen no evidence that a trial has given either of them satisfaction.
Has there been a final legal decision on any of this ?

.

ELINVESTIG8R - 2-25-2012 at 08:23 PM

All I am going to say is that as of this very moment I am on the side of Rafael Munoz. As far as I am concerned he has proven he is in the right here --Period End of Report!

gnukid - 2-25-2012 at 08:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Diver
Thanks, Gnu

Does this article say that Olivia had legal ownership of 3 homes at the time that Rafael's goons arrived ?

I've seen many of Rafael's claims in various places; mostly things he has written or news accounts to which he has obviously fed information.
I have seen some of the same from Mark and Olivia.

I have seen no evidence that a trial has given either of them satisfaction.
Has there been a final legal decision on any of this ?

.


The article states, in the words of the Procuador, olivia demonstrated legal certified copies of legal agraria ownership previously in 2011 which were accepted by the court and was and is in possession and therefore the alleged offenses by those aggressors are being pursued through normal processes at the local and state level.

At this time the Federal Police are in BCS in large numbers of special tactical forces in Santa Rosalia, Cabo, La Paz etc... conducting large scale actions, there is some uncertainty as to what they are doing with large helicopters, full size planes, it's in the news everywhere. I have observed them in my own neighborhood simply conducting residential traffic calming and of course pursuing race cars on city streets. They seemed o have arrived with Hilary Clinton but she left and they stayed.

If the Federal police would like to intervene in Munoz case they have the opportunity.

http://colectivopericu.wordpress.com/2012/02/25/hay-cinco-re...


http://colectivopericu.wordpress.com/2012/02/24/federales-tr...



[Edited on 2-26-2012 by gnukid]

Like an episode of . . .

jakecard - 2-25-2012 at 09:17 PM



wessongroup - 2-25-2012 at 10:05 PM

Got it, a counter suit ...

Think 53 "posted" he won his case, but I don't believe he post an "image" of the said document

He did post "images" of title and a number of others... related this issue

Ownership of said "site"

Don't know if they are still up ... ya would have to go back through the "whole" Turtle Tread...

That's even too much for me, at this time ... :lol::lol::lol:

we do have some rather clever folks here ... in the examination and/or modification of "documents" .. :biggrin::biggrin:


[Edited on 2-26-2012 by wessongroup]

[Edited on 2-26-2012 by wessongroup]

David K - 2-26-2012 at 11:04 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R
All I am going to say is that as of this very moment I am on the side of Rafael Munoz. As far as I am concerned he has proven he is in the right here --Period End of Report!


Seriously David... He hires thugs with guns and has been a proven liar about the navy having a boat to watch for the 'made-up' drug off loading.

Talk to Nomads who live on Bahia Concepcion who would hear/ see drug running boats going the 20 miles back and forth... Most important, go meet Mark and Olivia in person. You cannot meet Muñoz there BECAUSE HE IS NOT THERE, nor has been for several years (that is how important it is to him)!

Like you, I tried to be objective and even tried talking to Muñoz to resolve the feud... He was impossible to talk with. His goal is to use force to bully Mark and Olivia off their place.

When I met and talked to Nomads on Bahia Concepcion, then met Mark and Olivia... I had no doubt who was good and who was bad in THIS dispute. Perhaps there were bad things done to renters in the past, but that is seperate from their defence of Rafael/ Muñoz's attacks.

[Edited on 2-26-2012 by David K]

Burbs - 2-26-2012 at 11:08 AM

Lots to say, but I can't until later.

This is part of a letter from a relative. I would like to share...

I have been so worried about you and Olivia. That Munos (sp) is such a crazy person. It’s hard to deal with such crazy, unreasonable people. Especially with all those goons he sends your way. They are so bad and obviously out of their minds on dope or something. I thought it was against the law to have a gun in Mexico or is it that the criminals can carry the guns and people like you and me cannot protect ourselves and property. Such is life I guess. I pray each night that the two of you will be ok and that God will keep an eye on you and protect you. You all have worked so hard for so many years. You deserve better treatment for your kindness to other people . . . . people who needed help, people you’ve given gas to helping to get people to Mulege for medical attention. What are these people thinking about? I hope they go jail for a long long time for carrying guns, shooting at your customers, pointing a gun in your face. How horrible for those poor people from Canada and how horrible for our beautiful Baja to have these Canadians go home with this tale of terror. This ruins our tourism for years to come. Who would come back after being shot at. And after hearing about this people who have never been to beautiful Baja will never want to come no matter what. A real battle to fight. I hope the law stands firm on these criminals and show that they have a backbone and will NOT stand for this behavior. We have so many friends here that make the trip to see the whales each year and keep adding to the group each year. It makes me so proud to talk about the safety we feel about Baja. I don’t feel that way right now so I say nothing. If they ask me if I’m afraid living in Baja I just say, “I love living here”. But I wouldn’t encourage anyone to make the trip south until we feel it’s safe. And I know that will happen. The people of Baja need business in their restaurants and hotels. The government has to work hard to restore the reputation of Baja.

David K - 2-26-2012 at 11:12 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Burbs
Lots to say, but I can't until later.

This is part of a letter from a relative. I would like to share...

I have been so worried about you and Olivia. That Munos (sp) is such a crazy person. It’s hard to deal with such crazy, unreasonable people. Especially with all those goons he sends your way. They are so bad and obviously out of their minds on dope or something. I thought it was against the law to have a gun in Mexico or is it that the criminals can carry the guns and people like you and me cannot protect ourselves and property. Such is life I guess. I pray each night that the two of you will be ok and that God will keep an eye on you and protect you. You all have worked so hard for so many years. You deserve better treatment for your kindness to other people . . . . people who needed help, people you’ve given gas to helping to get people to Mulege for medical attention. What are these people thinking about? I hope they go jail for a long long time for carrying guns, shooting at your customers, pointing a gun in your face. How horrible for those poor people from Canada and how horrible for our beautiful Baja to have these Canadians go home with this tale of terror. This ruins our tourism for years to come. Who would come back after being shot at. And after hearing about this people who have never been to beautiful Baja will never want to come no matter what. A real battle to fight. I hope the law stands firm on these criminals and show that they have a backbone and will NOT stand for this behavior. We have so many friends here that make the trip to see the whales each year and keep adding to the group each year. It makes me so proud to talk about the safety we feel about Baja. I don’t feel that way right now so I say nothing. If they ask me if I’m afraid living in Baja I just say, “I love living here”. But I wouldn’t encourage anyone to make the trip south until we feel it’s safe. And I know that will happen. The people of Baja need business in their restaurants and hotels. The government has to work hard to restore the reputation of Baja.


Wow, so true...

Woooosh - 2-26-2012 at 12:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Diver
Quote:
Originally posted by Diver
Quote:
Originally posted by Woooosh
.... he owns that land and has the only legal title to it.


And just how do you know this to be true ?
Hopefully not just from the things he has posted; anyone can post anything.

This is my point.
Just how does anyone know anything in this mess.
And what could he possibly hope to accomplish by his continued posts on Nomads ?
He MUST have better things to do (as my wife keeps reminding me).....
Personally, I can make no judgement of the facts in this case; I can only judge the personal conduct of the participants.
.


Still waiting for some answers Woosh.

.


You are the broken record Diver. The legal info you question has already been posted. Stop asking the same questions over and over. Take the SRA file number (National land title file) and go look it up yourself.

Raphael has helped dozens of Nomads determine the legality of Mexican land titles. To the best of my knowledge the ONLY people complaining about his advice, legal help and expertise are involved in this case. I think that is a very important point you don't seem to acknowledge or care about.

In the beginning of this thread we agreed that both parties had conflicting judgments from different courts- agrarian and Federal. That doesn't not mean Raphael in not the legal owner.

[Edited on 2-26-2012 by Woooosh]

wessongroup - 2-26-2012 at 12:19 PM

Who in Mexico has Primacy over land ... the State or the National and/or Federal Government ???

[Edited on 2-26-2012 by wessongroup]

Woooosh - 2-26-2012 at 12:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Quote:
Originally posted by Burbs
Lots to say, but I can't until later.

This is part of a letter from a relative. I would like to share...

I have been so worried about you and Olivia. That Munos (sp) is such a crazy person. It’s hard to deal with such crazy, unreasonable people. Especially with all those goons he sends your way. They are so bad and obviously out of their minds on dope or something. I thought it was against the law to have a gun in Mexico or is it that the criminals can carry the guns and people like you and me cannot protect ourselves and property. Such is life I guess. I pray each night that the two of you will be ok and that God will keep an eye on you and protect you. You all have worked so hard for so many years. You deserve better treatment for your kindness to other people . . . . people who needed help, people you’ve given gas to helping to get people to Mulege for medical attention. What are these people thinking about? I hope they go jail for a long long time for carrying guns, shooting at your customers, pointing a gun in your face. How horrible for those poor people from Canada and how horrible for our beautiful Baja to have these Canadians go home with this tale of terror. This ruins our tourism for years to come. Who would come back after being shot at. And after hearing about this people who have never been to beautiful Baja will never want to come no matter what. A real battle to fight. I hope the law stands firm on these criminals and show that they have a backbone and will NOT stand for this behavior. We have so many friends here that make the trip to see the whales each year and keep adding to the group each year. It makes me so proud to talk about the safety we feel about Baja. I don’t feel that way right now so I say nothing. If they ask me if I’m afraid living in Baja I just say, “I love living here”. But I wouldn’t encourage anyone to make the trip south until we feel it’s safe. And I know that will happen. The people of Baja need business in their restaurants and hotels. The government has to work hard to restore the reputation of Baja.


Wow, so true...

so delusional. They are talking about the nostalgic days of Baja past. Canadians are getting picked off left and right in Mexico. "The naivete of the hordes of Canadians who toddle off to Mexico on business or on sun and sand vacations, believing they are perfectly safe as long as they don't hang out with drug lords or go looking for trouble, never ceases to amaze former Windsor resident Keith Doan."

"Maybe comedian Ron James said it best when he marvelled at the guts of Canadians who continue to embrace Mexico in huge numbers: "Mexico is Afghanistan with margaritas. It's easy to forget you're in a thirdworld kleptocracy when you're sucking back tequila Slurpees during happy hour at Senor Frog's."

http://tinyurl.com/7ztygm5

btw: It was probably Canadian Bear Spray that started the shooting episode. The author doesn't seem to know who fired first- and it was not Raphael's people.

[Edited on 2-26-2012 by Woooosh]

Angel - 2-26-2012 at 12:29 PM

Most Nomads can read through Raphael as he is so easy to read. Looks like Wooosh has a crush on "Mano Negra". Love is blind.

comitan - 2-26-2012 at 12:31 PM

I would NEVER side with a BULLY right or wrong.:O:O

Diver - 2-26-2012 at 12:57 PM

Wonder how much Ramuna is paying Wooshy to be his supporter/mouthpiece ?
He certainly needs someone more capable than himself to argue in his favor. :lol:

KurtG - 2-26-2012 at 06:15 PM

Rafael says Mike George was flying in drugs and running a bordello at Buenaventura. If so I'm very disappointed in Mike and his marketing of said items. I was around him back in those days and all he ever tried to sell me was a burger and a beer.

ELINVESTIG8R - 2-26-2012 at 06:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K

Seriously David... He hires thugs with guns and has been a proven liar about the navy having a boat to watch for the 'made-up' drug off loading.

Talk to Nomads who live on Bahia Concepcion who would hear/ see drug running boats going the 20 miles back and forth... Most important, go meet Mark and Olivia in person. You cannot meet Muñoz there BECAUSE HE IS NOT THERE, nor has been for several years (that is how important it is to him)!

Like you, I tried to be objective and even tried talking to Muñoz to resolve the feud... He was impossible to talk with. His goal is to use force to bully Mark and Olivia off their place.

When I met and talked to Nomads on Bahia Concepcion, then met Mark and Olivia... I had no doubt who was good and who was bad in THIS dispute. Perhaps there were bad things done to renters in the past, but that is seperate from their defence of Rafael/ Muñoz's attacks.


David K,

--Seriously, this is my stand with respect to the documents provided by Rafael, which appear genuine.

I have no problem with someone protecting property with firearms. If one party pepper sprayed a second party who is armed, thank your lucky stars you were not killed. I would not suggest someone ever pepper spray an armed cop or security guard, because you will be shot and possibly killed. No cop or security guard will allow someone to disabled them so they can take their firearm and kill them with it. Just try it and see! It is a justifiable homicide.

David K - 2-26-2012 at 06:54 PM

So you think Olivia started the fight with pepper spray for no reason and that is why the workers pointed guns at her and others and blocked access to their business, afterwards???

Really???

ELINVESTIG8R - 2-26-2012 at 07:03 PM

Who knows what the real story is since we were not there!

David K - 2-26-2012 at 07:06 PM

Go there, meet the two people who are under attack... ask their Concepcion Bay neighbors...

Go THERE ?

MrBillM - 2-26-2012 at 07:10 PM

Or, Stay Home and just MYOB ?

wessongroup - 2-26-2012 at 07:20 PM

Naw... just another version of Highway 61 ... just change Highway 61 to Mexican 1..

Sam, Howard, Louie the King and others... and 1000 phones that don't ring... out on Highway Mexican 1, with bleachers out in the sun ....

http://web.me.com/wswesson/Wessongroup/Podcast/Entries/2012/...

ELINVESTIG8R - 2-26-2012 at 07:27 PM

No David K I will not be going there. I deal with too much violence now to get mixed up in that violence all the way down there.

ramuma53 - 2-26-2012 at 11:13 PM

wessongroup
Who in Mexico has Primacy over land ... the State or the National and/or Federal Government???

The Mexican Constitution is the top law in Mexico as in the USA.
The Mexican Constitution article 27 say that all the land inside Mexico's borders is by origin National property and that private property has to come from it.
That mean, that originally all the land inside Mexico's borders was National Land and to come out of it, the nation has to issue a National title, and then it is private property.
My title was issued by the Federal Government, national land office and it came out of National Land and that mean it is Private Property.

One of the qualities of a National land Title is that is not effectable by agrarian actions and that mean that Ejidos cannot grab that land; the logic is that if the Nation sold that land, it would be illogical that the Government takes that land to create an ejido that is given to ejidatarios for free.

Estates cannot give away, take or do anything with National Land, any such action would by void by law, also they cannot grab land from a National Land title like mine.

One of the many requisites needed to issue a National land title is that all ejidos inside a 7 Km. radius, agree that they do not want that land and Ejido La Purisima did exactly that, signing and stamping its seal on the official document and that mean they agree that my land was not theirs or not even want it. in a unavoidable consequence, no ejido cantract can affect my property and if that is the case, Olivia’s contract is by force outside of my property limits and by force she is wrong.

Woooosh - 2-26-2012 at 11:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Angel
Most Nomads can read through Raphael as he is so easy to read. Looks like Wooosh has a crush on "Mano Negra". Love is blind.

nice first post. welcome. You missed the off-topic personal insult area by a click though. btw- blow me.
:saint:
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