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Mark & Olivia; Playa Buenaventura

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Woooosh - 3-2-2012 at 02:12 PM

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Originally posted by gnukid
Munoz is making allegations of drug running of Olivia while his staff are in jail for robbery and violence with a weapon, one of whom have a prior arrest for moving cocaine through an inspection stop? And David E and Whoosh openly support them?

People need to take stock of the people involved in this case and consider what we're dealing with more critically and seriously and stop being so easily manipulated.

Why are you still looking for the "good guy" in this scenario? We've said long ago there aren't any innocents here- just varying and differing levels of legality.

Woooosh - 3-2-2012 at 02:20 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress

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Some people are way too easy to manipulate. :biggrin:

The mind is like a parachute, it only works when it is open. That's not allowing manipulation, it is having intelligence. Your group of narrow minded nomad thugs who have bullied and attacked me verbally are no better than any of the characters in this saga. Your bullying cannot change the few legal facts we can confirm. Olivia was in Raphaels hotel, got caught over there, got trapped on that side of the bridge, became scared and bear-sprayed her way to escape. You are defending that? What other acts of M&O are you defending since they openly admit they own nothing over there? You don't think the Turtle Soup thing was real either after they themselves admitted it? I don't get the blind support backed with bullying techniques against those who differ with you. It makes your group look pathetic and desperate to save baja tourism at the cost of the truth. Open your chute! And if had any class besides low, Angel would have deleted those posts by now.

[Edited on 3-2-2012 by Woooosh]

Cypress - 3-2-2012 at 02:39 PM

Wooosh, :?:

You're laughable. :lol:

Please post some more humor. :lol:

Chute? Yea, I like that ! :yes:

Woooosh - 3-2-2012 at 03:04 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress
Wooosh, :?:

You're laughable. :lol:

Please post some more humor. :lol:

Chute? Yea, I like that ! :yes:

You just keep digging a deeper hole for your pathetic selves. So when does the rest of your thug peanut gallery chime in?

Cypress - 3-2-2012 at 04:23 PM

Wooosh, Pathetic? Thugs? And I'm betting a dollar to a donut you vote a straight democrat ticket. :biggrin:

Woooosh - 3-2-2012 at 05:33 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress
Wooosh, Pathetic? Thugs? And I'm betting a dollar to a donut you vote a straight democrat ticket. :biggrin:

just what you need, more donuts. And the phrase is "dollars to donuts". Do you and your pinhead hater friends ever get anything right?

Come on Brenda Duncan, get real. You are a total freaking nutcase! Tell me about your past lives... From your website: "I am a certified Master of The Healing Key Way: Self Illuminated Spiritual Evolution Practitioner, Member of The Spirit Release Foundation UK. My last past life was so traumatic that I was having physical sensations that needed to be addressed, cleared and healed."

:saint:

[Edited on 3-3-2012 by Woooosh]

Lobsterman - 3-2-2012 at 05:44 PM

David's CCC clutch's view of the cartel's control in southern baja.

[Edited on 3-3-2012 by Lobsterman]

Cypress - 3-2-2012 at 05:46 PM

Woooosh, Yep! We get more things right than you can imagine.

You and your ilk have gotten "old and moldy".

Woooosh - 3-2-2012 at 05:53 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress
Woooosh, Yep! We get more things right than you can imagine.

You and your ilk have gotten "old and moldy".

yes, so enlightened you are! What a freaking loon. What life is this you are on? And what Republican platform does "Crazy nutcase" fall under? And she has the gall to call me out??

Don't think Brenda (Cypress) is nuts? Check out her website:

http://www.sacredhealingspace.com/

:lol:

mtgoat666 - 3-2-2012 at 06:22 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh

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Originally posted by Cypress
Woooosh, Yep! We get more things right than you can imagine.

You and your ilk have gotten "old and moldy".

wooosh: you are a fulano-bot. i will laugh the day your puppet master turns on you :lol:

Woooosh - 3-2-2012 at 07:09 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666

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Originally posted by Woooosh

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Originally posted by Cypress
Woooosh, Yep! We get more things right than you can imagine.

You and your ilk have gotten "old and moldy".

wooosh: you are a fulano-bot. i will laugh the day your puppet master turns on you :lol:

In the meantime your peanut gallery of haters will be justly mocked and exposed for the loons they are. I'm still laughing my butt off about getting attacked and lectured by Brenda, the enlightened "spiritual healer" . The only thing she can enlighten is your wallet. What a con artist. The poster girl for "Baja nutcase."

Diver - 3-2-2012 at 07:13 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh
Your bullying cannot change the few legal facts we can confirm. Olivia was in Raphaels hotel, got caught over there, got trapped on that side of the bridge, became scared and bear-sprayed her way to escape.

Facts you say ??
Unless you were there, these are NOT facts.
Ramuna was not there either so his account holds no water.
Why do you choose to put yourself in such a situation by making up stuff to fit your argument ?
So who is sounding like a bully Mr Wooosh ??

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Originally posted by Woooosh You don't think the Turtle Soup thing was real either after they themselves admitted it? I don't get the blind support backed with bullying techniques against those who differ with you.

Show me where "they" admitted to the "turtle soup thing".
You need to go back and re-read the whole thread. Tell me where IS your blind support for Ramuna coming from ?
Maybe because he is involved in "helping" you with your own dispute and you want to keep him happy with you.?

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JoeJustJoe - 3-2-2012 at 07:33 PM

I'm glad Nomad members are seeing the real Woooosh I have known to exist for about two years now. Like I said, Woooosh would jump in bed with Satan if he thought Satan could do anything for him. Not that Ramuma is Satan, but I believe Ramuma will stop at nothing to get that property back he claims is his, and I'm sorry but after reviewing the Turtle thread I. I can't help but smell "set-up" all the way.

Ramuma thanks for responding to my post, and setting me straight about Olivia being Mexican. It makes sense now. I really couldn't picture a gringa standing up to thugs with guns in Mexico. Although I still admire your real estate knowledge and tenacity Ramuma. I get turned off when Mexicans tell me they have white skin, and Spanish blood. For one thing it's doubtful they're telling the truth just from the odds standpoint, and I have yet to fall all over myself when Mexicans, or Mexican-Americans tell me about their Spanish blood. This is coming from a brown dark-skinned proud Chicano from the states called JoeJustJoe.

Back to Wooosh. One of my other favorite Woooosh quotes is this one about Woooosh's own real estate fight against the alleged squatter.

Wooosh wants us to believe he has a big heart and is fighting the lowlife Mexican women squatter who uses sex to her advantage, because all Woooosh wants is to improve the beach access so the disabled handicapped won't have to struggle anymore. Yeah right Woooosh.( Wooosh also believes a Republican will win the white house in 2012. That doesn't sound like a liberal at all.)

I would like to improve the disabled beach access on our concession- but until the squatter stops painting over the handicapped signs and trying to fence the access off to the public- it's a waste of time and money and puts me at personal risk. So I have to wait and watch while people struggle with their wheelchairs.

Page 5 of the Turtle thread that gives M&O's views on what really happened during the Turtle bust and the week before:

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=38204&pag...

[Edited on 3-3-2012 by JoeJustJoe]

Cypress - 3-2-2012 at 08:12 PM

Wooosh, Glad you researched my wife's website. Do you need a healing? :lol:

ELINVESTIG8R - 3-2-2012 at 09:30 PM

Whoooosh pay no attention to the Chicken Coop Groupers. Give them their pacifier. Eventually they will get tired and leave.

Woooosh - 3-2-2012 at 09:49 PM

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Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
I'm glad Nomad members are seeing the real Woooosh I have known to exist for about two years now. Like I said, Woooosh would jump in bed with Satan if he thought Satan could do anything for him. Not that Ramuma is Satan, but I believe Ramuma will stop at nothing to get that property back he claims is his, and I'm sorry but after reviewing the Turtle thread I. I can't help but smell "set-up" all the way.

Ramuma thanks for responding to my post, and setting me straight about Olivia being Mexican. It makes sense now. I really couldn't picture a gringa standing up to thugs with guns in Mexico. Although I still admire your real estate knowledge and tenacity Ramuma. I get turned off when Mexicans tell me they have white skin, and Spanish blood. For one thing it's doubtful they're telling the truth just from the odds standpoint, and I have yet to fall all over myself when Mexicans, or Mexican-Americans tell me about their Spanish blood. This is coming from a brown dark-skinned proud Chicano from the states called JoeJustJoe.

Back to Wooosh. One of my other favorite Woooosh quotes is this one about Woooosh's own real estate fight against the alleged squatter.

Wooosh wants us to believe he has a big heart and is fighting the lowlife Mexican women squatter who uses sex to her advantage, because all Woooosh wants is to improve the beach access so the disabled handicapped won't have to struggle anymore. Yeah right Woooosh.( Wooosh also believes a Republican will win the white house in 2012. That doesn't sound like a liberal at all.)

I would like to improve the disabled beach access on our concession- but until the squatter stops painting over the handicapped signs and trying to fence the access off to the public- it's a waste of time and money and puts me at personal risk. So I have to wait and watch while people struggle with their wheelchairs.

Page 5 of the Turtle thread that gives M&O's views on what really happened during the Turtle bust and the week before:

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=38204&pag...

[Edited on 3-3-2012 by JoeJustJoe]

geesh JJJ. You were doing so well lately and then you missed a dose of your meds I guess. Yeah , I know philanthropy is rare in Mexico, but you have to start somewhere or society does not improve. We created the ONLY disabled beach access in the whole city of Rosarito. Go ahead and try to shame me for that. I'm happy to do it and the disabled access is used every day and does no go unappreciated.

Why don't you contact this lady and tell her you'd rather see her crawl to the beach:

[Edited on 3-3-2012 by Woooosh]

Woooosh - 3-2-2012 at 10:07 PM

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Originally posted by Cypress
Wooosh, Glad you researched my wife's website. Do you need a healing? :lol:

well, she hasn't been able to help you much... so that's a def no. Were you two nutcases together in your last life too?

wessongroup - 3-2-2012 at 10:42 PM

:lol:

And what a "straight line" ... for the owner of the house ... :lol:

JoeJustJoe - 3-2-2012 at 11:41 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh

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Originally posted by Cypress
Wooosh, Pathetic? Thugs? And I'm betting a dollar to a donut you vote a straight democrat ticket. :biggrin:

[Edited on 3-3-2012 by Woooosh]

What's going on here?

Is Woooosh playing a mini-Fulano in a bid to shut up his detractors? ( one guess where Woooosh got this information from?)

This kind of nonsense is below the belt, and it look like Woooosh missed his intended target, and instead tried to sucker punch Cypress's wife who did nothing to Woooosh.( missing the target is common with this group Woooosh hangs out with)

And to think Woooosh is trying to take the higher moral ground in this thread while Woooosh is pulling stunts like trying to "out" other Nomad members wives, and calling other Nomad members crazy and pathetic if they disagree with Woooosh.

Woooosh you could write or post all the Photoshop letters you want on this forum, but I don't think it's going to help you. I think many of us now see your true colors.

Diver - 3-2-2012 at 11:58 PM

Yes, Wooosh may be going off the deep end.
I thought this kind of cr-p was reserved for off topic.
Someone has a differing opinion and Wooosh calls him names, researches his history and makes personal attacks.
What's up with that kind of behavior ?

And when are Ramuna's thugs getting out of not-jail ?
Thank you for the update .......

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Cypress - 3-3-2012 at 04:56 AM

Woooosh, My wife got a bigger laugh out of your comments than I did. You ought to be on Saturday Night Live. :yes:

ELINVESTIG8R - 3-3-2012 at 05:24 AM

Whoooosh eres un gallo, corretéalos a estos pollitos que no saben nada mas que molestar a la gente y decirles que pueden escribir y lo que no pueden escribir. Diles a todos los pollitos que vayan a la tiznada!

surfer jim - 3-3-2012 at 09:10 AM

Back to the Playa now please.....

Who is the real owner..... :?:

Oddjob - 3-3-2012 at 09:12 AM

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Originally posted by surfer jim
Back to the Playa now please.....

Who is the real owner..... :?:

Who is the bigger scammer?

Woooosh - 3-3-2012 at 09:36 AM

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Originally posted by Cypress
Woooosh, My wife got a bigger laugh out of your comments than I did. You ought to be on Saturday Night Live. :yes:

I'm sure she is outside enlightening your goats...

Woooosh - 3-3-2012 at 09:38 AM

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Originally posted by Diver
Yes, Wooosh may be going off the deep end.
I thought this kind of cr-p was reserved for off topic.
Someone has a differing opinion and Wooosh calls him names, researches his history and makes personal attacks.
What's up with that kind of behavior ?

And when are Ramuna's thugs getting out of not-jail ?
Thank you for the update .......

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Not the deep end Diver, the correct end. I think you need to go back to Angel's post and see where the name calling began. You want your 2009 bankruptcy filings published in OT or right here? You idiots who throw rocks should really move out of your glass houses first.

[Edited on 3-3-2012 by Woooosh]

Cypress - 3-3-2012 at 10:06 AM

Woooosh, :biggrin:

I miss those goats, they where entertaining, sorta like you. :biggrin:

Cypress - 3-3-2012 at 10:19 AM

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Originally posted by surfer jim
Back to the Playa now please.....

Who is the real owner..... :?:

Who knows? After all this, their lawyers will probably be the owners.

[Edited on 3-4-2012 by BajaNomad]

Woooosh - 3-3-2012 at 10:56 AM

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Originally posted by Cypress
Woooosh, :biggrin:

I miss those goats, they where entertaining, sorta like you. :biggrin:

You should take the ad down then. Sell the house yet?

Cypress - 3-3-2012 at 11:02 AM

Wooosh, Yea, things just keep on forever out there in cyberspace. You might want to give that some thought. Sold 'em 5 or 6 years back. Haven't sold the house yet, not what you'd call a "motivated seller". :yes:

Woooosh - 3-3-2012 at 11:29 AM

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Originally posted by Cypress
Wooosh, Yea, things just keep on forever out there in cyberspace. You might want to give that some thought. Sold 'em 5 or 6 years back. Haven't sold the house yet, not what you'd call a "motivated seller". :yes:

Then why did you drop the price from $365K to $349K?

ELINVESTIG8R - 3-3-2012 at 12:26 PM

ELINVESTIG8R - 3-3-2012 at 01:44 PM

Cypress - 3-3-2012 at 02:30 PM

Woooosh and Oddjob, Hope it's OK to lump you two together? Birds of a feather and all that stuff, you know what I mean. Not meant to be an insult, unless you want to take it as one. Could you two dig a little deeper into my background? A little deeper. My memory isn't that good. Do the research. Makes me feel way more important than I am to have a couple of smart guys like you two digging into my past. Heck, I'd be glad to sit down with you and fill in the gaps. :biggrin:

Woooosh - 3-3-2012 at 02:51 PM

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Originally posted by JoeJustJoe

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Originally posted by Woooosh
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No Joe, wrong again. I deserve this spot on the high horse today. I'm not thin skinned, I am thick with purpose. Bullying has to stop.

My wife? Angel said he'd be proud to be "my boy" so apparently spouses are fair game in this thread. I asked Doug to leave the Angel posts up because I hoped the offending poster would have the class to remove it on their own. I told Doug I felt I had enough credibility and support on the board to hold my own, and I wanted others to see how despicable this act of blatant intimidation was. Clearly Angel is no troll and is related to this thread, because Angel joined right after XPBres. Instead of you and the peanut gallery saying what Angel wrote was out of line and despicable you piled on even more. Wasn't that classy of you guys. I'm sure they/you know who Angel is- if it wasn't one of your group. I gave it enough time to be removed and they still continued to berate me and call me names. You guys think this is fun trashing people who don't agree with you. Then you complain when the big ammo comes out against you. Doug was right to leave the posts up and let you guys dig a deeper hole for yourselves. I gave you all an out and you didn't take it. So now all nomads can read the truth about who these people really are. Not my fault. They made their bed...

Diver called me out as a liar. I called him out as a Bankruptcy fraudster who legally perjured himself. Why wasn't that fair? If you and you ilk would just stop the non-stop offensive attacks on people who don't share your perspectives, this board would be a better and more civil place.

[Edited on 3-3-2012 by Woooosh]

[Edited on 3-4-2012 by BajaNomad]

DENNIS - 3-3-2012 at 03:07 PM

"Homeowners"...using the term loosly....on leased land own nothing. Don't bother asking me how I know this. It's not part of the story.

Cypress - 3-3-2012 at 03:37 PM

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Originally posted by Woooosh

Diver called me out as a liar.

A liar?

[Edited on 3-4-2012 by BajaNomad]

Angel - 3-3-2012 at 06:50 PM

Wow, Mia culpa? My dear friend Woosh, You got it all wrong! You are just swinging wildly, and hit all the wrong targets. You just received a dose of your own medicine. Karma is real. People are just starting to see the real you: Elitist coming to Mexico pretending to help poor Mexicans!!!!

Angel - 3-3-2012 at 07:35 PM

I offer my deepest and most sincere apologies to all those people Woosh has hurt, or tried to hurt because he thinks you are connected to me. You know I am not. However, you are getting a first look at how unstable he is. But lets get back to M & O. This is kind of like Whitney Houston's death. Even though, we are still waiting for the cause of death, we all know the cause of death had to do with illegal or legal drugs. We would be surprised if she died of something else and not drugs. While we wait for the legal resolution on Buenaventura, we all know that Raphael is a total crook, and he somehow illegally obtained something called "SRA" for the hotel, we would all be surprised if Raphael would be vindicated. I feel for M & Olivia while they wait for the resolution. Raphael's thugs eventually will leave jail. Woosh statement that "Raphael has legal title, and IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW HE GOT IT", is ludicrous; that is exactly what the court's must be looking at!!! Raphael's scheme of desperately trying to play the case in the media is just not working for him; most of us caught on to him pretty quickly, except Woosh, because he is just like Raphael. Well maybe worse. Raphael is easy to read, while Woosh, hides behind a thick facade of the good Samaritan.

Woooosh - 3-3-2012 at 07:53 PM

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Originally posted by Angel
Wow, Mia culpa? My dear friend Woosh, You got it all wrong! You are just swinging wildly, and hit all the wrong targets. You just received a dose of your own medicine. Karma is real. People are just starting to see the real you: Elitist coming to Mexico pretending to help poor Mexicans!!!!

How nice of you to drop in and continue to hang your friends out to dry. I was absolutely correct- you are part of this situation, not a random troll. Came here and posted specifically to intimidate me. Yes Karma is real, and that is what I have enjoyed a great life and now choose to give back to the community. Helping the disadvantaged in life not an "elitist" quality, it is a human one. You should try it some time. (My Karma just ran over your dogma.)

[Edited on 3-4-2012 by Woooosh]

Angel - 3-3-2012 at 08:03 PM

A concession for the disabled?? Nice try! Never seen a wheel chair at that beach. In reality, why did you put paint the curb blue, and try to make yourself good? What could be the real reason behind it? Uh, maybe to block your alleged "squatter" from something? I wonder what that could be? Also, with what you pay, you must have a "proteccion/Ornato" concession, and not general use, which makes you a criminal for building that area as such. With your type of concession you are allowed to garden ONLY!!!

Woooosh - 3-3-2012 at 08:11 PM

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Originally posted by Angel
I offer my deepest and most sincere apologies to all those people Woosh has hurt, or tried to hurt because he thinks you are connected to me. You know I am not. However, you are getting a first look at how unstable he is. But lets get back to M & O. This is kind of like Whitney Houston's death. Even though, we are still waiting for the cause of death, we all know the cause of death had to do with illegal or legal drugs. We would be surprised if she died of something else and not drugs. While we wait for the legal resolution on Buenaventura, we all know that Raphael is a total crook, and he somehow illegally obtained something called "SRA" for the hotel, we would all be surprised if Raphael would be vindicated. I feel for M & Olivia while they wait for the resolution. Raphael's thugs eventually will leave jail. Woosh statement that "Raphael has legal title, and IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW HE GOT IT", is ludicrous; that is exactly what the court's must be looking at!!! Raphael's scheme of desperately trying to play the case in the media is just not working for him; most of us caught on to him pretty quickly, except Woosh, because he is just like Raphael. Well maybe worse. Raphael is easy to read, while Woosh, hides behind a thick facade of the good Samaritan.

Why apologize to your flock? They willingly followed your lead and got their just desserts.

The legal land title is the legal land title and I have no doubt that Raphael has obtained it. In Mexico it does not matter how you got it, so long as yo have it. Deal with that piece of life because that's the way it is down here. Like my mother-in-law says "Talk to the papers!". Don't try to impose North American values on Mexico- they simply don't fit.

Raphaels SRA stamped land title is inalienable and inperscriptable. No court outside of the federal courts in Mexico City can challenge it. It is the gold standard.

Do I come across as unstable? Gee I don't think so but admittedly I am taking some cold meds today. I am simply determined not to be bullied by you and your "Chicken Coop Groupers" as David would say. I appreciate Doug letting me take the whole lot of you out to the barn for a lesson in class and manners. You attack me personally and you attack my family for providing the disabled with a beach access point. (BTW: I own NOTHING in Mexico by law- so what you are saying is a Mexican family helping disabled Mexicans is elitist?) I am certain you are one taco short of a combination plate.

If you had any class you would have taken what you said down. But you and your pals are far from a class deal and I do believe the majority of nomads would agree. Go ahead- start a poll.

[Edited on 3-4-2012 by Woooosh]

Angel - 3-3-2012 at 08:26 PM

Well, well, my friend the saint, I just found the pictures that you posted where your "alleged squatters" have big trucks by the lot on the "Handicapped lot" and you appear to be blocking them. Woosh also posted that he cheers when the tides are high. So, I get the whole picture. Maybe "the alleged squatters" had boulder on those huge trucks to place behind their house, so as to protect the house from the high tide. So, Woosh "the Saint" builds a wall, to prevent the "alleged squatters" from entering the lot to place the boulders, and the house of the "alleged squatters" be destroyed by the high tides. Wow-we get the picture. Your facade is coming off!

Woooosh - 3-3-2012 at 08:43 PM

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Originally posted by Angel
A concession for the disabled?? Nice try! Never seen a wheel chair at that beach. In reality, why did you put paint the curb blue, and try to make yourself good? What could be the real reason behind it? Uh, maybe to block your alleged "squatter" from something? I wonder what that could be? Also, with what you pay, you must have a "proteccion/Ornato" concession, and not general use, which makes you a criminal for building that area as such. With your type of concession you are allowed to garden ONLY!!!

There are people with wheel chairs on that lot every day. Did you not see the letter from the disabled lady thanking the city and us for putting it there? With an ornato concession you can use cement, wood and plants but nothing that requires below ground engineering. I have not violated that in any way. We installed a cement wall at the sidewalk to prevent vehicle access to that lot and then planted ice plant behind it. Because the squatter is claiming that lot too (not just the house) we have done nothing more to the lot until a legal remedy is reached, she is removed and the house torn down. Her putting truckloads of boulders on our concession was a violation of federal law and her police friends showed up to allow her to do it. The Malecon plans move the disabled area further south with plenty of parking. In the plans, this area is designated for sports and recreation.

Angel - 3-3-2012 at 09:10 PM

Craig, I mean Woosh you are one mean, very mean dude. On top of that you are a Big BIG liar. do you think we are stupid or what?
Didn't you read what I wrote: NEVER NEVER NEVER seen a wheelchair on that beach. Find a dictionary and look up "Ornato". You care to post a copy of your plans for the Ornato you had to submit for the ornato concession?

Angel - 3-3-2012 at 09:16 PM

Come on Woosh, you are posting your lover's letters.

willardguy - 3-3-2012 at 09:26 PM

riddle me this: whats so wrong about ridding homes of ghosts? I hate ghosts. sign me up!

drarroyo - 3-3-2012 at 09:31 PM

"sniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiif, ahhhhhhhhhh, I love the smell of trying to push a wheelchair through the sand in the morning" :lol:

just sayin'

maybe that DavidK guy could be hired to advise the good folks to lower their tire pressure

daaaaang, after a season of getting our barriles on..we return to this?
awesome to see nothin's changed :tumble:

besos

Woooosh - 3-3-2012 at 09:31 PM

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Originally posted by Angel
Craig, I mean Woosh you are one mean, very mean dude. On top of that you are a Big BIG liar. do you think we are stupid or what?
Didn't you read what I wrote: NEVER NEVER NEVER seen a wheelchair on that beach. Find a dictionary and look up "Ornato". You care to post a copy of your plans for the Ornato you had to submit for the ornato concession?

Didn't have to submit plans because we haven't done anything to the concession. The concession is exactly as we received it with the exception of the blue cement wall at the sidewalk because the squatter tore off the concession sign and was charging $5 a day to park cars on the concession- which is not a permitted use.

Here's is a design for a "Beach Fitness Trail" where the squatter house is. The disabled access and parking move a mile south with the new Malecon installation. The "Beach Fitness Tail" has workout stations built of wood and cement- with no engineering or excavations. Simple and temporary until the Malecon arrives. You out of ammo yet?

[Edited on 3-4-2012 by Woooosh]

Woooosh - 3-3-2012 at 09:34 PM

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Originally posted by drarroyo
"sniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiif, ahhhhhhhhhh, I love the smell of trying to push a wheelchair through the sand in the morning" :lol:

besos

The lot is not sand, it is hard dirt. Take a close look at this aerial shot. I sent my nephew up in an ultralight last year for photos. You can see there is a car parked in the blue disabled spot and a person in a wheelchair enjoying it with family. No, it's not perfect by a longshot- but we can't do more until the legal issue is resolved. For now it is the closest anyone disabled can park and roll out towards the water.

[Edited on 3-4-2012 by Woooosh]

drarroyo - 3-3-2012 at 09:51 PM

Fair enuf, someone posted a photo of entrance a coupla pages back ... looked like it'd be a chore on two wheels

Woooosh - 3-3-2012 at 10:11 PM

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Originally posted by willardguy
I moved my post from the "Is Baja safe for tourists" thread over to here, because visiting Rosarito and residing here present very different risk sets.

How safe is Rosarito Beach today for the 12,000 of us ex-pats they invited and still encourage to move here? Sure, the tourist area is safe enough- but not where we ex-pats actually live. The murder rate for Rosarito is up 70% over last year, much higher than Tijuana. All this crime is in the residential neighborhoods where small cells of independent drug dealers fight it out for turf control (Mexican deportees and US gangs who can't sell their pot to the medical dispenseries any more). It is the least secure period I have ever witnessed in Rosarito Beach, much worse than the epic crime wave of a few years back, because this is destroying the neighborhoods and scaring the bejeezus out of everyone. Tourism is a luxury for Rosarito once the locals feel they can leave their house in safety to go to work. It's bad here right now. seriously bad. Even the police chief is scrambling to control it.

Are there any migration stats- as to how many expats have left Rosarito Beach or Baja Note to return to the States or Canada? There are lots of "For Sale" signs on previously occupied houses- about 20% gone to me. They had only 100 real estate transactions in Rosarito all of last year.

We have had two gunshot murders in my neighborhood in the past few months. Lot's of break and entry property crimes. Most of my area is mixed families (Mexican and American and one works on the other side every day). We have people dealing drugs on the sidewalk with children around. The now dirt-cheap rental houses in my area are being taken over (rented) by the San Diego gangs (Barrio Logan). Then they walk back and forth to each other's houses and take over the streets at night. Our Mexican neighbors are scared to death and even call us for support. Not good right now.

The format of your post is a bit confusing. I think you were quoting me in part of it. What I have said, Zeta magazine confirms. And... it turns out there are not 12,000 expats in Rosarito Beach. Rosarito says 800 expats left for safety reasons the past two yeas- their numbers. There are only about 1,600 of us here now. There were never 12,000. Was there a point in there somewhere you wanted to make? When we bought the land and I built my house Baja wasn't like it is now. I love it here. So does my family or we wouldn't be out supporting the community so strongly. No place is perfect and I've never lived anywhere where the neighbors all loved each other- for sure.

A PGR officer just moved in around the corner and things have changed dramatically for the better. Amazing what a PGR truck parked out front will do to stop street dealing. Our goal was never to stop the drug dealing here- just move it. Of course I had photos and the rap sheets of the American drug dealers for them. They were also happy to take all the federal crime charges we filed against the squatter Ortiz and are moving those cases forward. Her local police, PGJE and court friends can't help her now.

[Edited on 3-5-2012 by Woooosh]

Lobsterman - 3-3-2012 at 10:24 PM

I really can not understand why you guys are so mean spirited towards Woooosh. Is he really that dispictable of a person and hurtful to people? Has he committed crimes against humanity? He might live an alternative lifestyle but so what! You guys are no peaches in this world either. He's just trying to live in a foreign society that does not respect gringos and make good on what he feels is right. No different from us NOB.

Good thing he has huevos against the likes of you all. He's fighting back because he is corner by your hateful gang and is saying and quoting things he normally would not.

mcfez - 3-3-2012 at 10:28 PM

Ask him why he threw mud at me earlier today....I prefer peace but I wont take insults either.

'.......is saying and quoting things he normally would not"
Well...it's always nice to see the true character then.....

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Originally posted by Lobsterman
I really can not understand why you guys are so mean spirited towards Woooosh. Is he really that dispictable of a person and hurtful to people? Has he committed crimes against humanity? He might live an alternative lifestyle but so what! You guys are no peaches in this world either. He's just trying to live in a foreign society that does not respect gringos and make good on what he feels is right. No different from us NOB.

Good thing he has huevos against the likes of you all. He's fighting back because he is corner by your hateful gang and is saying and quoting things he normally would not.

[Edited on 3-4-2012 by mcfez]

Woooosh - 3-3-2012 at 10:37 PM

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Originally posted by mcfez
Ask him why he threw mud at me earlier today....I prefer peace but I wont take insults either.

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[Edited on 3-4-2012 by mcfez]

I'd love to contribute content to your blog on me and our beach concession. We need all the help we can get. The donated lifeguard tower out front (from four years ago) still says "Property of Carlsbad State Beach " on it. They only staffed in two days last year- so no rush on that. Over 5000 viewers have watched our YouTube video, but more good publicity for Rosarito Beach is always welcome. Thanks in advance. I have an exhaustive distribution list you can use for it too.

[Edited on 3-5-2012 by Woooosh]

but a xanax and a shot of Jack Daniels seems to help.

mcfez - 3-3-2012 at 10:54 PM

So here's the problem with Woooosh......he is currently on Xanax..and he drinks Jack Daniels. That...is in his own words from a prior post he did. It's in the BN historic archives.

No wonder why this guy is so off the wall. You are not much better than that Skeeter are you?

Ramuma53. I think it is ok to go public with your efforts, take some credit. The Secretaria de Baja Proteccion al Ambiente Del Estado de Baja California and PROFEPA have already been given this information and the cat is out of the proverbial bag. It is good to get my old brain back into "Type A Woooosh" mode but I am certainly not fun to be around during this appeal (or so I have been told). "It" didn't need to exist in Baja before and hopefully it will take off Friday. It won't drive me to drink -but a xanax and a shot of Jack Daniels seems to help.

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Originally posted by Woooosh

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Originally posted by mcfez
Ask him why he threw mud at me earlier today....I prefer peace but I wont take insults either.

'.......is saying and quoting things he normally would not"
Well...it's always nice to see the true character then.....

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[Edited on 3-4-2012 by mcfez]

Angel - 3-3-2012 at 10:55 PM

So Craig, the "handicapped access" has no ramp, no handles, no nothing? It is really just a parking space that you as an elitist decided on your own? Oh and don't lie again, there is nothing but sand and more sand , and more sand in there, and that is why a wheelchair can not go in. So the little money you did spend was on the illegal wall to prevent Otiz from entering? By the way, does Otiz know you have posted their "alleged " dealings in here. If you have not, you are one despicable and hurtful human being for posting her name in here. by the way, I could care less about your lifestyle. You ought to be proud of whoever you are. by the way, by looking at your house, part of your wall, sticks out to the public street!! Care to show how you got permits to have part of your house on a public street?

wessongroup - 3-3-2012 at 11:00 PM

xanax and Cadillac Margratis's .. work pretty good too :biggrin:

willardguy - 3-3-2012 at 11:01 PM

xanax with a jack back? and whats the problem?

Lobsterman - 3-3-2012 at 11:14 PM

It's 2015 hours. I've got to get up at 0400 to go lingcod fishing in the morning so I can post my sweet & sour recipe for my friend JJJ later in the day after a nap. Hope I do not miss any updates on you guys' hurtful and hateful rants on Wooosh. Good nite. Hope you all can sleep with a clear conscience tonite, I know I can.

Nitey nite.

Woooosh - 3-3-2012 at 11:27 PM

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Originally posted by Angel
So Craig, the "handicapped access" has no ramp, no handles, no nothing? It is really just a parking space that you as an elitist decided on your own? Oh and don't lie again, there is nothing but sand and more sand , and more sand in there, and that is why a wheelchair can not go in. So the little money you did spend was on the illegal wall to prevent Otiz from entering? By the way, does Otiz know you have posted their "alleged " dealings in here. If you have not, you are one despicable and hurtful human being for posting her name in here. by the way, I could care less about your lifestyle. You ought to be proud of whoever you are. by the way, by looking at your house, part of your wall, sticks out to the public street!! Care to show how you got permits to have part of your house on a public street?

I don't think you are looking at the right house, I'm on the east side of the street. Nope- the handicap access is just that- access to the hardpacked lot. When they tore the house down it was left elevated above the sand. It's not great, but yo can get a wheelchair (and churro carts, and candy wheel-barrels, and elote carts) through it just fine. I'm sure you know handicapped ramps and railings are rare in Meixco, but the new Malecon has them along with a public accessible restroom.

All the details on my concession saga are on the "Real Estate Advice" thread. Soup to nuts. When we applied in 2005, the Federal Zone was all sand- west of all the buildings and foundations. The Federal Zone line was moved east all the way to the street in 2009- moving our concession over the squatter house and the lot. We had nothing to do with it. The squatter managed to get a "prescripcion positiva" (squatters title) although she failed all four necessary conditions (not there 5 years, used violence, was not uncontested and was not her primary residence). The Federal Zone is inprescriptable by law- meaning you can't take Federal Zone with a squatters title. Besides, the squatter house now lies on top of a valid and current concession- ours. So she is pretty much out of luck, even if her Prescripcion Positiva was not fraudulent (currently being reviewed by PROFEPA and PGR). We told her in 2010 the line had moved and showed her the new Federal Zone maps. She is stubborn with friends who are trying to help her, but the law is the law. So we are waiting for PROFEPA and ZOFEMAT to clear the concession of the squatter as they are required to do.

Does she know we post all the documents? Absolutely. And I also have given her copies of all the concession paperwork. My postings in English don't bother her because she knows no one in Mexico is going to read it. She is a professional serial squatter who has done this several times before. Her lawyer is squatting in a house around the corner. Why not? You sit there for five years and then get a title to sell it with no cash outlay. I'm surprised more people don't do it.

[Edited on 3-4-2012 by Woooosh]

Woooosh - 3-3-2012 at 11:34 PM

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Originally posted by willardguy
xanax with a jack back? and whats the problem?

my point exactly. Tame for Mexico.

[Edited on 3-5-2012 by Woooosh]

Woooosh - 3-3-2012 at 11:43 PM

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Originally posted by Lobsterman
It's 2015 hours. I've got to get up at 0400 to go lingcod fishing in the morning so I can post my sweet & sour recipe for my friend JJJ later in the day after a nap. Hope I do not miss any updates on you guys' hurtful and hateful rants on Wooosh. Good nite. Hope you all can sleep with a clear conscience tonite, I know I can.

Nitey nite.

yeah. Time for a double shot of Robitussin DM. Things seem to be calming down. Not sure why. That's a good thing though. Tomorrow is another day for sure. Happy fishing.

Lobsterman - 3-4-2012 at 05:51 AM

Woooosh,

It's 0450 and I'm heading out the door to catch a big one. Will bring the camera along for my friend JJJ. Had coffee, gathered my fishing poles together and took squid for bait out of the freezer.

Hope you have a better day today than yesterday. I see David is already awake as well. I'm sure the CCG clutch is probaly getting bored and will try to gang up on someone else to give you a break. That's the mentality of these pea brained people.

ELINVESTIG8R - 3-4-2012 at 07:47 AM

watizname - 3-4-2012 at 08:38 AM

Geeeeeeeze, I left for two weeks and this thread went from a playground scrap to a bar fight, to a riot, to thermonuclear war. To quote a song:
War------Good God-------What is it good for??????------Absolutly Nuthin!!!!!!!
I wont be back to this thread. :barf:

Woooosh - 3-4-2012 at 11:53 AM

Can we swing this thread around back on topic now?

elgatoloco - 3-4-2012 at 12:26 PM

Holy flock people! What a waste of bandwidth this has become.

Wooosh keep up the good work looking out for your neighborhood. Baja could use more concerned citizens like you. I would be happy to call you my neighbor.

Now back to class everyone third grade recess is over!

Woooosh - 3-4-2012 at 12:28 PM

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Originally posted by elgatoloco
Holy **** people! What a waste of bandwidth this has become.

Wooosh keep up the good work looking out for your neighborhood. Baja could use more concerned citizens like you. I would be happy to call you my neighbor.

Now back to class everyone third grade recess is over!

YEAH! Let's hear an update from Raphael.

Mula - 3-4-2012 at 03:05 PM

enough, already, of the name calling, feuding and fueling the personal fires.

go to off topic.

get back on the updates.

otherwise get out!

[Edited on 3-4-2012 by Mula]

Roberto - 3-4-2012 at 03:27 PM

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Originally posted by Mula
enough, already, of the name calling, feuding and fueling the personal fires.

go to off topic.

get back on the updates.

otherwise get out!

[Edited on 3-4-2012 by Mula]

May be too late for that. Woooosh was attacked in a deep and personal way for one reason and one reason only - he decided to believe Munoz over M&O. Right or wrong does not matter. It's his opinion and he's entitled to it. I would not forget that he waited several days, letting the comments from the peanut gallery proliferate. Even the king of slime, JoeJustJoe decided to have a piece of the action. And you will notice than NOBODY stepped in and commented about what was going on. Woooosh evidently reached a point where he decided he was not going to take any more - and I, for one, not only cannot blame him, but support him. I'd rather have someone like Woooosh at my back any day over the collection of clowns that have shown their true colors in this thread.

And why have most taken that position? I have said that I wouldn't trust either party in the PB fiasco, but I have my theories about why such a large number of Nomads came down on the side of M&O. Must be that love of the Mexican people that is professed so loudly.

I have a suggestion for all of you. You want to support Mark & Olivia? Put your money where your mouth is - literally - and go down and lease a lot and build something on it. According to you, they are fighting for their very existence, so I'm sure some rental income would help them a lot more than words on the internet. And there's no doubt your money would be in good hands, right? Good vs Evil, right? Please be sure and let us know how many talkers back up their words with action, and of course, how it works out.

[Edited on 3-4-2012 by Roberto]

Cypress - 3-4-2012 at 03:36 PM

Roberto. :lol:

ELINVESTIG8R - 3-4-2012 at 04:09 PM

Whooosh, Walk The Forum Flank-to-Flank And Take No guff From Any Chicken Coop Grouper! You are doing good Wooosh...Sigue adelante y diles "Me Vale Madre Cabrones!!"

DENNIS - 3-4-2012 at 04:10 PM

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Originally posted by Roberto
And you will notice than NOBODY stepped in and commented about what was going on. Woooosh evidently reached a point where he decided he was not going to take any more - and I, for one, not only cannot blame him, but support him. I'd rather have someone like Woooosh at my back any day.

On this point, I heartily agree with Roberto.

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And why have most taken that position? I have said that I wouldn't trust either party in the PB fiasco

That's only because you're not conversant on the subject. After all these years, you had your opportunity to learn...but you didn't.
You arn't alone, Roberto. When we all realize that there are numerouse types of Fideicomisos available, and those on the subscribing end have no idea which they become involved with, we'll have a better understanding of the situation.

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but I have my theories about why such a large number of Nomads came down on the side of M&O. Must be that love of the Mexican people that is professed so loudly.

Perhaps so. That is a common raison d'etre in this neck of woods.

The rest of your proposal is rediculous....as you know, but I back you up without question on your above suppositions and I support Woooosh with my Nomad life....and the rest of it as well.

Woooosh speaks for me with my approval.

[Edited on 3-4-2012 by DENNIS]

Roberto - 3-4-2012 at 04:23 PM

Dennis PB = Playa Buenaventura, not Punta Banda. I did know some people who lost their homes in the Punta Banda incident, but I don't know much about the incident itself. Should have been clearer.

As far as my proposal - you are right, it is ridiculous. Just trying to make a point.

DENNIS - 3-4-2012 at 04:32 PM

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Originally posted by Roberto
Dennis PB = Playa Buenaventura, not Punta Banda.

Grovel just a teeeny bit and I'll forgive ya.

Jes kiddin' Roberto. Thanks for the clarification.

CaboRon - 3-4-2012 at 04:34 PM

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Originally posted by rts551

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Originally posted by latina
Thank you akmaxx, for being there to support Mark & Olivia. By now they must be totally worn out, which is what I guess is the objective of this latest seige...to keep bullying them in an effort to break them down so they will give up... What a sad commentary on the justice "system"....

Looks like the justice system is at work too me. Maybe not the way you would like, but people in "high places" and the Policia Ministeria obviously are aware and working the situation to include "no trespassing". We need to be careful though, when calling Sec of State officials and local/State police crooked. That can maybe get you deported.

Typical Mexican B******t ..... The country is totally corrupt. Don't buy there... don't spend your money there.... don't go there...

Roberto - 3-4-2012 at 04:38 PM

Well, well, well - look who's popped up. The Mexico expert. How's Las Vegas, Ron?

CaboRon - 3-4-2012 at 05:18 PM

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Originally posted by Roberto
Well, well, well - look who's popped up. The Mexico expert. How's Las Vegas, Ron?

The Valley of the Moon is in Sonoma, California.

willardguy - 3-4-2012 at 05:25 PM

chicken coop grouper! I dont quite get it but it sounds cool. anyone remember kmet's "fish count with a beat"?

chuckie - 3-4-2012 at 07:17 PM

Hey! If we could get this sillyness on video, it would outsell Debbie Does Dallas......A bunch of Skunks in a peeing contest....I'm just sayin...

Woooosh - 3-4-2012 at 09:32 PM

Poof. All gone. The magic of moderator editing. To those still following this thread- you missed nothing about the topic- trust me.

:saint:

kaybaj - 3-4-2012 at 09:39 PM

:yawn:

mcfez - 3-4-2012 at 10:27 PM

Thanks right.....mumble jumble. Glad Doug clean up the mess that including your stuff as well. :-)

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Originally posted by Woooosh
Poof. All gone. The magic of moderator editing. To those still following this thread- you missed nothing about the topic- trust me.

:saint:

chuckie - 3-4-2012 at 11:53 PM

Sigh!

Roberto - 3-5-2012 at 12:00 AM

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Originally posted by mcfez
Thanks right.....mumble jumble. Glad Doug clean up the mess that including your stuff as well. :-)

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Originally posted by Woooosh
Poof. All gone. The magic of moderator editing. To those still following this thread- you missed nothing about the topic- trust me.

:saint:

You think he cleaned it up? Looks like pretty selective editing to me? Like, why hasn't Angel been banned yet?

Terry28 - 3-5-2012 at 10:02 AM

You have now been returned to your regularly scheduled programing!!

Woooosh - 3-5-2012 at 10:14 AM

Zeta Magazine is reporting in this article of March 4 that Raphael Martinez Munoz (Ramuma53) presented a land title from the State of Veracruz to show ownership rights over Playa Buenaventura in Baja California Sur. The word used is "apócrifo" which I think means "hidden" or "of questionable origin" in this context. At least I think I translated that correctly.

I'm sure Raphael will respond. This article appears to contradict the claims of Raphael that he owns the Hotel or anything at all at that location. It is confusing as one part of the article says the Hotel is on the land of the Ejido La Purisima and values the land at $17 Million USD (that may be pesos, not sure).

[Edited on 3-5-2012 by Woooosh]

wessongroup - 3-5-2012 at 10:29 AM

Thanks for the news "story" ... a difficult read IMHO ... as are most narrative "reports" on any investigation...

It's too bad a report using the P.O.S.T method can't be produced.. which would put it all together for either side...

Remember investigations going 10 plus years.. they were a bit hard to write up, when concluded .... as one see here .... someone trying to write this ONE up ... in a narrative format ...

A narrative format is just impossible to use when doing a recap summary of a ten year plus on going investigation ... or just about anything "legal" in nature, requiring a objective and fully documented investigation which can easily be read and used by a prosecutor in court. Have found most attorney's prefer something which has ALL supportive documentation and tells them out of the "box" what is going on and what specific violation in law have been documented ... not just a narrative going on and on with only a "statement" referencing an investigation and/or documents associated with same ...

Most want a "case file" which can stand in court on it's own and they can WIN with in court ...

Would prefer an investigative report in with the following format:

1. Recap summary of only ONE page.. which concludes with the violations of Law and regulations "found" and is fully supported the investigation.

2. The second page, a list of All "players" with their titles, address and phone numbers for contact.

3. Time line, a chronology, with date, time and the investigator's notes along with reference to documentation to support each event logged with a date and time ...see (Attachment 1 through ______ . These documents of course would support any verbal statement made with a signed written statement, photographs, samples obtained, laboratory results, certified copies of all documents referenced.

4. Would be the "Evidence" section and would include ALL "documents" of evidence which support the one page summary and conclusion and are linked to the chronology entries by reference number (Attachment 1 through _______ )

[Edited on 3-5-2012 by wessongroup]

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bajaguy - 3-5-2012 at 10:30 AM

Complaint against the governor and the attorney for property BCS in Conception Bay

The conflict between American Mark J. Burbey and businessman Muñoz Martinez for land culminated in an attempt to take property by force, using armed persons. The PGJE took up the matter. The result was a complaint by "The Black Hand" against Attorney Leal Gamill Arreola, like Marcos Covarrubias Villaseñor for the crime of abuse of authority. Burbey Muñoz Martinez says has ties to organized crime.

ZETA Research

Mutual accusations, trades, suspect, criminal complaints and even death threats had accumulated in a growing conflict between the foreigner Mark J. Burbey and businessman Rafael Muñoz Martinez, alias "The Black Hand" by the contention of an expensive property in Bahia Concepcion, until the latter, having lost a case, tried to take the building violently, using armed people.

The scenario ríspido registered on 4 February, the same that required intervention and protest the representative of the U.S. Consulate in Mulege, Jim Christopher under attack on his fellow-where sought at any cost to recover possession of the property the Tijuana-born businessman, had under his control in most of the presidential term of former Gov. Narciso Agundez Montano, practically forced the Attorney General of the State (PGJE) to operate five days later, ie on 9 February, it stopped and rooted to the attackers, who are:

A. - Alan Mario Perez Rivera, 36-year-old native of Mexico City and established in Ecatepec, Mexico.

2. - Juan Banuelos Duran, age 40, of Ciudad Constitucion.

3. - Roberto Miranda Gomez 37-year-old from La Paz.

4. - Aréchiga Oswaldo Perez, 44, a native of La Paz.

5. - Roberto Aréchiga Perez, 35 years old, from La Paz.

6. - Mary Elizabeth Espinoza Montano, 51, originally from Tijuana.

But the intervention of the PGJE, substantiated by the fact that surfaced firearms, and even threatened because tourists were inside the property with an area of 396 hectares, was not liked by "The Black Hand" -accustomed to impunity and complicity that had in the past, so the February 10 traveled to Mexico City and filed a criminal complaint at the Attorney General's Office (PGR) against the Attorney General's State Fair Gamill Arreola, and the governor of Baja California Sur, Mark Covarrubias Villaseñor for the crime of abuse of authority.

The complaint said the victim of the state police and the commanders of the PGJE to have erupted in a violent manner in which he said was his hotel, and after hitting submit and their workers, he explained, were arrested and charged with theft, association conspiracy and possession of firearms.

On 19 February the businessman Tijuana branch of Furniture, upheld the complaint against the south Californian authorities and even went to the Office of Special Investigations into Organized Crime (OFDI), and put an addition: I accuse them of having links with Olivia Higuera Amador, aka "The Cowgirl", wife of U.S. and owner of the land in dispute, who he said had ties to the Pacific Cartel.

The beginning

The first time you heard the name of Rafael Muñoz Martinez in Baja California Sur was at the end of his term of former Governor Leonel Cota Montano and early Narciso Agundez Montano.

In a website, and from nowhere, appeared a notice of sale of 200 thousand hectares of a "fabulous" land with 5 miles of beach, exclusive and ideal for residential tourism. The commercial bid added: "The land has an assessed value of 62.30 dollars per square meter, but remato at $ 6 per square meter of ground."

When stakeholders contacted the seller, it was learned that this was the Tijuana businessman, who held documents issued since the August 7, 1992 by the National Agrarian Registry (RAN).

The few residents of Conception Bay, located just 97 kilometers northwest of Loreto, following Federal Highway or Highway One Transpeninsular, but in the municipality of Mulege, began to note that some lots, land and farms were being squeezed unusually. Everyone thought they were the new owners of the place, because, at that time, the Grupo Carso had submitted a project to build a sailing resort on Bahia Concepcion, which include villas, hotels, restaurants and other attractions aimed at people of high purchasing power.

However, it was not, the fencing was extended to beach access, which merited an investigation and intervention of the Federal Environmental Protection by-then-de Maritza Muñoz Vargas. During a tour of the area found that they were surrounded the entrances to the Playa Armenta and Concepcion Bay and barbed wire fences.

The delegate of the PROFEPA required to dealers of the Federal Maritime Zone, in that he realized that in the case of Bahia Concepcion was concession in favor of Olivia Higuera Aguilar, but the business had not placed the fences. They were in the research process, when suddenly there was the businessman Rafael Muñoz Martinez, claiming the place as their own, and accompanied by a group of people, seized the property of Higuera, destroying the guard house of the property "The Armenta "owned by Yates and Tourism.

In the exchange of information between PROFEPA and the ANC confirmed that the owner of the land of Bahia Concepcion was Olivia Higuera Aguilar and her husband Mark J. Burbey, so that if necessary, they said, could provide the necessary documentation as evidence that the criminal charges were brought against Rafael Muñoz Martinez and another businessman named Juan Ernesto Corona, who had accomplished the dispossession of property and land were sold to individuals, and who were never required because, as explained at the time, Fernando Gonzalez Rubio, former head of the PGJE, the affected-"had orders from above not to intervene."

The delegate of the ANC itself, Alberto Moreno Orozco, at that time publicly stated that although the issue was not within its jurisdiction, because "it was a private problem", the institution would attest to the character of Olivia Higuera Aguilar posesionaria by be the legal owner.

"The Cowgirl" as it is also known, was stripped of his land, where he had a hotel, restaurant and shop, located in Conception Bay on a beach known as Buenaventura, so at the request of the victim, and it in the process of litigation, the National Agrarian Registry (RAN) investigated the title of Rafael Muñoz Martinez and found that papers displayed on land ownership, were of a farm in Veracruz state, so that finally, after a long process, established that the titles were apocryphal, and only then was able to recover their property when the Tijuana businessman and had dealings with an individual to sell the property at 17 million dollars.

The lawyer Andrew Soria Islands, Agrarian Court Judge District 48, was responsible for the judgment of eviction issued against Rafael Muñoz Martinez, and formally returned to Olivia Higuera Aguilar the three farms that were invaded in the Buenaventura beach of Bahia Concepcion, Baja California Sur.

The lawsuit

But the Agrarian Court's decision, and leading authority on the subject, not satisfied to let Rafael Muñoz Martinez, alias "The Black Hand", so the February 9 tried to commit, at any cost, a new coup and seize again the three areas of Olivia Higuera Amador.

17 million dollars in market value of the land, and with a customer-door, allowed the Tijuana businessman sent six of his henchmen to retrieve the property, two of whom were armed with pistols and shotguns and fired shots into the air when they arrived at the property, taking advantage of the darkness of the night.

No longer Narciso Agundez Montano in the power of Baja California Sur, the invaders got frightened and owners, Olivia Higuera Aguilar and her husband Mark J. Burbey, and a group of tourists who were staying at the hotel, so we stayed for five days inside the premises until he reached the State Ministerial Police and arrested.

Data collected by ZETA exposed during the arrest the invaders opposed massive resistance to the degree that blows attacked some police officers, although they were eventually subdued and arrested, and subsequently rooted by the Attorney General of State.

The first thing Rafael Muñoz Martinez is airing the case publicly and said the victim of an abuse of authority.

The businessman accused Yee Aloy and Felix Aguilar Murillo, Public Prosecutor of the Common Law and Ministerial Police Commander, respectively, have stopped their workers with extreme violence and without a search warrant or arrest, when they went and arrested in Buenaventura Beach.

In a press conference, Eduardo Barraza Garcia, lawyer and representative of "The Black Hand", predicted that interpose a criminal complaint against the person or persons responsible for the facts, since he said that Rafael Muñoz Martinez is the legitimate property owner and the Bonaventure Hotel.

"Workers have committed no crime because they were working on land owned by the employer, and if the employee Alain Perez Mario Rivera was holding a .380 caliber firearm, it is because guarding the house and the gun has the permission for the Ministry of National Defense, "explained the lawyer.

On February 10, one day after the event, Rafael Muñoz Martinez traveled to Mexico City and filed a criminal complaint at the Attorney General's Office (PGR) against the Attorney General of the State Fair Gamill Arreola , and the governor, Mark Covarrubias Villaseñor for the crime of abuse of authority.

Nine days later, ie on 19 February, the Tijuana businessman was presented to ratify the formal complaint and-extended in its complaint, the alleged links of the governor and the attorney with Olivia Higuera Aguilar and her husband Mark J. Burbey, who he said had "ties to the Pacific Cartel."

And went further. In his criminal complaint, Munoz said that "The Cowgirl" and her husband commanded downloads maritime drug in the municipality of Mulege, which had already notified local authorities, which "had backfired, as the caretakers of the order and the promotion of justice, had turned against him because of good performance are vigilant in the business of Pacific Cartel in the state.

"We have cooperated with all intelligence agencies to combat Mexican drug that has the president, all that hope, that while not protect us, but do not help us, not the authorities who attack us, we can defend ourselves from criminals but we can not against corrupt officials, "said verbatim.

On behalf of the hospitality industry, "The Black Hand" for the resignation of Gamill Arreola Leal, after continuous threats and acts of violence than their subordinates, he pointed out have been made against other employers to persuade them to remain silent, but gave no names .

The businessman said he would come to the end because the chase came to such a degree that his subordinates were introduced to the hotel at Playa Buenaventura, and took by force, and without search warrants or arrest Espinoza Mary Elizabeth Montano, manager of hotel, and security chief, Alan Perez Mario Rivera, to root them and fabricarles crimes "nonexistent."

Weekly data collected with this made it clear that "The Black Hand" has presented to date fourteen complaints in the Office of Special Investigations into Organized Crime (OFDI) against Olivia Higuera Aguilar alias "The Cowgirl" and her husband, Mark J . Burbey on alleged links to organized crime.

However, none has done for lack of evidence, even if the employer has persisted and more complaints since the Navy Secretariat (SEMARNAT) and the National Defense Secretariat (SEDENA), PGR and Federal Public Security Secretariat, on alleged anomalies and has alleged landings data of drugs, from Central and South America, even in writing, the President Felipe Calderón has promised to investigate.

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On the allegations, Governor Mark Covarrubias Villaseñor said he was not aware of any complaint against him, so he "could not give an opinion about it."

The one who broached the subject was the owner of the PGJE, Arreola Gamill Leal, who denied that the institution is conducting the investigation of crimes outside the legal framework and partially to favor or harm interests of individuals or groups.

The state attorney said that since April 2011 in the administration of justice is given the protection and guarantees enshrined in the Constitution of the Republic, the Criminal Code and Criminal Procedure in the State, without distinction, providing legal certainty properties and investments in the State.

He stated that this determination to seek justice efficiently and effectively, can be affected interests of individuals who in other administrations may have received special treatment, and "the possible reactions of those who feel affected not invariably influence the decision to apply the law without distinction of any kind, and in coordination with security corporations of the three levels of government to ensure the tranquility that has distinguished Baja California Sur, nationally and internationally. "

Meanwhile, Olivia Higuera Aguilar said to be an ordinary citizen who cares about your business move forward with a restaurant and the award of the Federal Maritime Zone in Conception Bay.

During an interview with ZETA said that everything has its origin in the legal dispute over a property with Rafael Munoz Martinez, who, using an apocryphal title, tried to strip her of her property.

- Are the accusations against the governor and the attorney in the PGR in Mexico City, could be also a product of the action it was in stopping the invaders of their property?, He was asked.

"Sure, because I and my husband won three trials of three properties, among which is the Hotel Bonaventure in the Agrarian Court, and executed the judgment in our favor and I was asked what he had won at trial and we did, however, on February 5, broke into my home several persons sent by him, armed and shooting bullets, and they went to rob my house and burned everything, important documents, clothes and everything. "

He explained that for this reason was to lodge a complaint the same day and until 9 arrested the assailants and their weapons confiscated.

"Following that, Mr. Rafael Muñoz Martinez is dedicated to bashing the prosecutor and the governor and accuse the PGR, all because he wants to stay with the property and even forces a hotel in Ejido La Purisima who built and that some Italians feel intimidated by him, pierced society, and it turns out the man, appeared with another apocryphal document of that property, but that's another judgment that is not my business, "he said.

"The Cowgirl" said that since the arrival of "The Black Hand," who enjoyed impunity during the administration of Narciso Agundez-the more than 340 members of the Ejido La Purisima have felt threatened by the employer, which has created a climate of uncertainty and insecurity are affected investment and tourism in the area.

Cypress - 3-5-2012 at 11:01 AM

From what I can make out of all this Mark and Olivia will be vindicated. :biggrin:

David K - 3-5-2012 at 11:04 AM

as they should be... it would be great if they stripped Muñoz 'The Black Hand' of the motel claims and somehow give it to Olivia and Mark for the pain he has put them through and the destruction of their home and personal property when his thugs burned their house.

Roberto - 3-5-2012 at 12:00 PM

I would doubt this is over. Just sayin'. Munoz seems like a smart man - investing years of time and money with a title from another state seems out of character. But, we'll see. More to come on the telenovela.

[Edited on 3-5-2012 by Roberto]

wessongroup - 3-5-2012 at 12:42 PM

"Agrarian Court" ....

Rural Conflict and Agrarian Courts in Mexico, 1992 – 2008

"And before we set agrarian history completely aside, the new political and social history will need to take this localized and internal conflict more fully into account

William Roseberry"

The history of these entities provides a better understanding of what is going on IMHO ...

http://jg.socialsciences.manchester.ac.uk/docs/Manchester/Ba...

Woooosh - 3-5-2012 at 12:48 PM

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Originally posted by wessongroup
"Agrarian Court" ....

Rural Conflict and Agrarian Courts in Mexico, 1992 – 2008

"And before we set agrarian history completely aside, the new political and social history will need to take this localized and internal conflict more fully into account

William Roseberry"

The history of these entities provides a better understanding of what is going on IMHO ...

http://jg.socialsciences.manchester.ac.uk/docs/Manchester/Ba...

That is a very interesting article. I only scanned it- will dig deeper into it later. Good stuff Wiley.

mtgoat666 - 3-5-2012 at 01:13 PM

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Originally posted by gnukid
http://www.zetatijuana.com/2012/03/04/el-pleitazo-de-rafael-...

Denuncia contra el gobernador y el procurador de BCS por propiedad en Bahía Concepción

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the "black hand" ("dirty hand?") was bragging that he was going to win the battle in the press and on the presidential campaign trail...
has anyone found news articles painting rafael in a good light????
are his henchmen still in jail??? i thought the "dirty hand" said they were going to be released yesterday, or the day before, or the day before that, etc...

wessongroup - 3-5-2012 at 01:16 PM

"When in 1992 President Carlos Salinas de Gortari (1988-1994) oversaw the amendment of Article 27 of the Constitution—formally ending a state commitment to land distribution dating from 1915"

"What seemed to resonate in the vast majority of ejidos and agrarian
communities across the country that decided to join the land-titling program was the promise of a new relationship between the state and the agrarian social sector based on at least some degree of transparency and accountability. This was a compelling prospect precisely because the history of Mexico’s postrevolutionary agrarian reform (1915-1992) was one of corruption, inefficiency, and abuse of power at all levels of the agrarian reform sector, a legacy that left a legal and administrative morass"

tripledigitken - 3-6-2012 at 09:51 PM

Crickets.....Crickets.....Crickets

Woooosh - 3-6-2012 at 10:28 PM

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Originally posted by tripledigitken
Crickets.....Crickets.....Crickets

yeah, for sure. When I saw the 1992 date in the Zeta article and the 1992 date in the excellent article on Mexican Land law reforms Wessongroup linked I figured this legal battle will not end in our lifetimes. Previously I had thought BCS had an advantage over BCN in the way the land laws were being applied. Now it's all as clear as mud. It is possible the impact of the changeover in Mexican real estate laws in 1992 is something that will be fought and disputed for many many years. How do you change the laws in 1992 for a Mexican "peasant" (the intended people to benefit from the ejido- a Kibbutz-type land award) who has been on that land for 40 years or more prior to that? The more you learn about it, the less you understand.

One thing I do understand is it is always better to own your land before you improve it. We bought our lot and waited 6 months until the legal land title was in our hands before taking the next step. And that was in an established neighborhood. You have to go slowly and carefully, step by step.

Cypress - 3-7-2012 at 08:40 AM

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Originally posted by gnukid
"... in the process of litigation, the National Agrarian Registry (RAN) investigated the title of Rafael Muñoz Martinez and found that papers displayed on land ownership, were of a farm in Veracruz state, so that finally, after a long process, established that the titles were apocryphal, and only then was able to recover their property when the Tijuana businessman and had dealings with an individual to sell the property at 17 million dollars.

The lawyer Andrew Soria Islands, Agrarian Court Judge District 48, was responsible for the judgment of eviction issued against Rafael Muñoz Martinez, and formally returned to Olivia Higuera Aguilar the three farms that were invaded in the Buenaventura beach of Bahia Concepcion, Baja California Sur." Zeta

Case closed! :biggrin:

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