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HURRICANE WARNING FOR BAJA - ODILE - AFTERMATH

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willyAirstream - 9-23-2014 at 02:05 PM

Thanks for sharing your story! Glad you all survived.

shari - 9-23-2014 at 03:22 PM

all of these stories of neighbours helping each other are heart warming. I knew that this disaster would bring people together and forge new relationships...the hurricane does have a silver lining. It also served to remind us not to slack off on preparedness...something all of us who live in BCS should do in September...every year...as well as be mindful of construction.

Monoloco...lost a small bathroom window? hmmm...we never board those up so good to know...we always flood our boats with water with an impending storm so they dont flip over....just a useful tip.

Zola - 9-23-2014 at 03:28 PM

I'm glad to hear that you and your loved ones are safe, sound and together, and that your books survived unscathed. Thanks for the great note.

[Edited on 9-23-2014 by Zola]

monoloco - 9-23-2014 at 04:46 PM

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Originally posted by shari
all of these stories of neighbours helping each other are heart warming. I knew that this disaster would bring people together and forge new relationships...the hurricane does have a silver lining. It also served to remind us not to slack off on preparedness...something all of us who live in BCS should do in September...every year...as well as be mindful of construction.

Monoloco...lost a small bathroom window? hmmm...we never board those up so good to know...we always flood our boats with water with an impending storm so they dont flip over....just a useful tip.
The only reason we lost that one window is because it was broken and I was unable to latch it. What's truly amazing is that we have two 10' sliders that were facing almost directly into the wind and they escaped unscathed. The cleanup around here is proceeding at a remarkable pace and there are a lot of community efforts to get people's roofs back on, and the infrastructure repaired. It was good to see the farmer below me plowing his field and getting it ready to plant. Everyone that I talk to is impressed with the Mexican government's response to the disaster and the speed with which it was deployed. Everywhere we go we see CFE personal working on getting the power lines repaired and Todos Santos currently has provisional power to some parts of the town. I just hope we don't have any more storms this year.

lizard lips - 9-23-2014 at 11:10 PM

Below is an email I received from Kim, Gary Pattons ex-wife.

Dear Nomads,
I understand Blanca and maybe others of you had your internet connection knocked out, but if that is the worst then you will be ok? Other things can work themselves out, I am hoping.

I am praying you are all surviving hurricane Odile, and I am so sorry you've had to succumb to its wrath. It is one horrible event of nature that most of us never want to experience, positively terrifying. My prayers to all and please if you can reach out on Gary's site, do so. regards to all... k

shari - 9-24-2014 at 07:56 AM

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I just hope we don't have any more storms this year.


oh hell no.....

David K - 9-24-2014 at 08:09 AM

Everybody (everything) wants to go to Bahia Asuncion, Shari!

chuckie - 9-24-2014 at 08:31 AM

Been watching that...quite a big change since yesterday...

bajabuddha - 9-24-2014 at 08:33 AM

Yogi was right

Zola - 9-24-2014 at 10:53 AM

Maybe it's just not in the cards for us to travel down until the end of hurricane season. We were going to go to San Juanico right before Norbert came. But we held off. Then Odile entered the picture, and we have since held off. I was planning to leave this weekend to travel by the south road, but now it appears that the models for once are in agreement that a new tropical system will come ashore close to San Juanico. This has just been a relentless procession of cyclones threatening or making landfall.

Does anyone know how accurate are these long-term models? Right now the NHS says that the system is a tropical depression that has a 90% of becoming a tropical storm within the next five days. How strong will this system be by the time it makes landfall?

When will this stop???

vandenberg - 9-24-2014 at 11:01 AM

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Does anyone know how accurate are these long-term models? Right now the NHS says that the system is a tropical depression that has a 90% of becoming a tropical storm within the next five days. How strong will this system be by the time it makes landfall?

When will this stop???


Whenever the gods decide.

shari - 9-24-2014 at 11:21 AM

Zola, making travel plans to Baja Sur in September on any given year is a risk as there are always hurricane threats and storms to contend with....and I just dont see it getting any better. This year we had an abnormal amount of storms because of the El Nino phenomenon as was expected as predicted...it aint over yet either.

chuckie - 9-24-2014 at 11:29 AM

What Shari said...

mtgoat666 - 9-24-2014 at 11:32 AM

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Does anyone know how accurate are these long-term models? Right now the NHS says that the system is a tropical depression that has a 90% of becoming a tropical storm within the next five days. How strong will this system be by the time it makes landfall?

When will this stop???


Whenever the gods decide.


The written forecast is pretty reliable 48 hours out. The forecast is worthless beyond 120 hours. The NWS does not even post projected tracks beyond 120 hours in their public forecasts. I see nomads like to post the raw model data tracks without corresponding interpretation, that go past 120 hours, but you should remember that is garbage data... The interpretation usually tells you which model tracks are reliable, which are not.

When will what stop? Global warming is projected to result in more severe weather extremes, and warming surface waters leads to more severe storms... Perhaps we should try to curb our green house gas emissions, eh?

Sweetwater - 9-24-2014 at 12:36 PM

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Does anyone know how accurate are these long-term models? Right now the NHS says that the system is a tropical depression that has a 90% of becoming a tropical storm within the next five days. How strong will this system be by the time it makes landfall?

When will this stop???


Whenever the gods decide.


The written forecast is pretty reliable 48 hours out. The forecast is worthless beyond 120 hours. The NWS does not even post projected tracks beyond 120 hours in their public forecasts. I see nomads like to post the raw model data tracks without corresponding interpretation, that go past 120 hours, but you should remember that is garbage data... The interpretation usually tells you which model tracks are reliable, which are not.

When will what stop? Global warming is projected to result in more severe weather extremes, and warming surface waters leads to more severe storms... Perhaps we should try to curb our green house gas emissions, eh?


If I understood the NPR broadcast yesterday, it really doesn't matter what "we" do at this stage of the climate change that's occurring. The developed countries are not increasing their carbon energy consumption and are projected to decrease it consistently in the future. This is all more than offset by developing economies and countries that are motivated to bring their standard of living up the ladder and closer to ours. China is the largest coal consumer but there are other countries that are on the same curve. The predictions that storms would become more frequent and severe are materializing but the counter arguments that it's "normal variation" and that poverty stricken populations still need access to cheap energy production will continue to dominate many political agendas. There are certainly spots on the globe that are demonstrating their susceptibility to climate change, Baja seems to be one of them. As history marches forward, the judgement really doesn't belong to us, we're just like the bacteria that will overgrow their beaker until all the agar is depleted......so, if the gods decide, we'll be the last to know.....and yes, 1 degree Centigrade in 1 centimeter over thousands of kilometers of water turns out to be a huge amount of energy waiting and looking to be released......BWTFDIK......

Zola - 9-24-2014 at 12:48 PM

I fully agree that we humans should try to reverse the trends that contribute to global warming, and for starters we could avoid involving ourselves in futile, ruinous sectarian warfare overseas, :light:, but I will not further comment on political matters lest I overstay my welcome. :)

Let's hope that this works out well for everyone, most of all the people of BCS.

Zola - 9-24-2014 at 12:54 PM

It's also been affecting California, where we have experienced an unprecedented draught, the worst in the last 500 years in this part of the world, according to experts.

My understanding is that reversing these trends is similar to reversing the gap in the ozone layer: It is not only possible, but will not even cost very much. Certain industries will be destroyed by the necessary change -- mostly notably coal and certain kinds of fossil fuels. But other industries and lines of commerce will flourish. If we don't adapt, we might wind up like bacteria that has eaten through its resources. But we are supposedly smarter than bacteria and should make an effort to change our behavior in order to induce the change that experts say is easily feasible.

BCSTech - 9-24-2014 at 01:17 PM

Control Greenhouse Gas Emissions = Bad for some businesses in the short-run

Global Warming = Bad for everything on the planet in the long run.

Jaybo - 9-24-2014 at 02:00 PM

30 years ago was the coming ice age.... Just sayin' :)

MitchMan - 9-24-2014 at 04:49 PM

Weather and economics are very similar in the general manner of a delay between the cause and effect from a big picture over time perspective. Because there is a delay. The general population is slow to observe and even believe and/or heed this reality. Too many people do not (and even refuse to) believe that what is happening today really is a result of what went on long ago. And, what we do today will impact us all in the future.

Also, many people are incapable of taking a big picture perspective; they refuse to see the big picture historical and present facts even when observing the actual factual data that is presented point blank.

It appears that we the people of this country and of this world will only take the appropriate group action when we the people tangibly feel the pain and experience the damage as it happens.

If remains to be seen if this country and others will do enough of what is necessary soon enough to address the problems successfully. I personally doubt it. Sure, we all will react and start changing our ways (some ways only, and incrementally only), but I believe that time will be when we are already feeling the pain from the damage (that most certainly could have been avoided).

There are plenty of examples of societies and the human race in general causing permanent damage, financial/economic calamities, and plant and animal extinctions all over the world. Does anyone here see a stop to that today? I don't.

SFandH - 9-24-2014 at 04:53 PM

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30 years ago was the coming ice age.... Just sayin' :)


"Just saying" what, Jaybo?

SFandH - 9-24-2014 at 04:55 PM

There's a global warming thread in the Off Topic section. It would be great if others join in.

Bajahowodd - 9-24-2014 at 05:05 PM

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Imagine how beautiful it would be if all utility services were moved underground!


Are you kidding? Even in the states it happens so infrequently because of the costs involved.

Great idea, but just try and get government to fund it. Not in our lifetime.

SFandH - 9-24-2014 at 05:10 PM

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Originally posted by gnukid
Imagine how beautiful it would be if all utility services were moved underground!


Are you kidding? Even in the states it happens so infrequently because of the costs involved.

Great idea, but just try and get government to fund it. Not in our lifetime.


They're doing it in parts of San Diego. It has to be done right though, water is a problem. Especially with low voltage lines like telephone / DSL.

chuckie - 9-24-2014 at 05:43 PM

I guess I dont understand how moving services underground would reduce global warming..,And why would government fund it? Arent most utility companies private enterprises?

Zola - 9-24-2014 at 06:03 PM

It's time to put this thread back on track: What are conditions like in BC and BCS because of Hurricane Odile?

Also, everyone please start spinning clockwise to counteract the cyclonic energy:)



[Edited on 9-25-2014 by Zola]

micah202 - 9-25-2014 at 09:00 AM

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Originally posted by Zola
It's time to put this thread back on track: What are conditions like in BC and BCS because of Hurricane Odile?

Also, everyone please start spinning clockwise to counteract the cyclonic energy:)


.....yeh,,,I -really- think that spinning helped---too bad people didn't keep it up!!! :coolup:

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redhilltown - 9-26-2014 at 10:27 AM

Looking for the right place to post this but... If anyone in Los Angeles/Orange area is heading down with relief supplies and has room I can put together a few boxes of gloves/masks/safety supplies and first aid. Or if you have an idea or where to drop them off...I think for Hurricane John I took some to Long Beach airport.

willardguy - 9-26-2014 at 10:45 AM

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Originally posted by redhilltown
Looking for the right place to post this but... If anyone in Los Angeles/Orange area is heading down with relief supplies and has room I can put together a few boxes of gloves/masks/safety supplies and first aid. Or if you have an idea or where to drop them off...I think for Hurricane John I took some to Long Beach airport.


Baja Strong has a number of drop off sites. do a google search to find one nearby :yes:

redhilltown - 9-26-2014 at 11:29 PM

Thanks Willard...great idea!

Bajahowodd - 9-27-2014 at 05:04 PM

The gummint says that SJD will reopen on October 8. Major airlines will resume their flights. I understand that in Cabo, the Walmart and the Home Depot have reopened.

There is good and bad here. The good is that tens of thousands of jobs will be there for the locals to begin making money once again.

The bad news is that so much damage and destruction occurred to the dwellings of the locals.

That said, I recall back in the late eighties and early nineties a major build of hotels and resorts in Cabo was being done by workers who were literally living in tar paper shacks.

I don't condone that in any way. But the fact that these folks will be making a wage will allow them to restore what they had.
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