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DENNIS - 9-14-2011 at 08:42 PM

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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
but without the cash flow, the treatment will be limited.



It is a Medical Profession....isn't it.


But, thats what I've been saying. The cash, our participation, won't last long. It may have reached it's limits already.
What then?

We must think about this right now. Not later......right now.
Ron has to be moved to the states where he can continue treatment in a financially forgiving atmosphere.

He won't find that here.

Skipjack Joe - 9-14-2011 at 08:51 PM

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Originally posted by shari

Dennis, things are stated more clearly by chrissie in spanish...at least I understand her better in spanish so bear with us...she's new at this but there is no rule that one must speak english.

So she says her dad is stable and laughing with Laura and that it would be good to pay the bill at Del Carmen and get over to the General Hospital where Cristina is fine and got bathed today and is lucid.

She is worried that each day that passes in there is more money and her dad prepared for a catastrofic event with the insurance he has of seguro popular.



Super translation, Shari. Neal couldn't have said it better.

mtgoat666 - 9-14-2011 at 09:09 PM

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Originally posted by ridge
There is no "financially forgiving atmosphere" in the US.


There is only making somebody else pay for it.

Sounds like a Librul proposition, doesn't it?


sounds like it is wiser to get sick in a "librul" country than a 3rd world country with no social safety net.
thank god for "libruls," socialism and charity!

[Edited on 9-15-2011 by mtgoat666]

jbcoug - 9-14-2011 at 09:11 PM

ridge

I'm certainly not some Librul, but considering we take care of so many riff raff, I can't see why we can't help a fine man like Ron. Just my two cents.

John

DENNIS - 9-14-2011 at 09:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ridge
There is no "financially forgiving atmosphere" in the US.


There is only making somebody else pay for it.

Sounds like a Librul proposition, doesn't it?



Well....ya know what? I'm no liberal, but I am Ron's friend and I pay a lot of taxes.
So if taking advantage of the baloney liberal programs that I support is what it takes to help my bud.....do it.

Don't call me a liberal...A-Hole. I would prefer to be called a friend of someone in need.

EnsenadaDr - 9-14-2011 at 09:23 PM

The reason someone is intubated, or a tube for breathing placed down their lungs, is because when they have a broken jaw they will obstruct their airways so until the operation to correct the broken jaw is done, the tubes will not be pulled out. In essence, the operation must be completed to pull out their breathing tube. No one can walk out of the hospital intubated.

DENNIS - 9-14-2011 at 09:39 PM

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Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
No one can walk out of the hospital intubated.


Unless, of course, the have a really long air hose.
When I was a doctor in another country, we had a patient walk from the facility with a tether we called the "Extendo-hose" and he walked four hundred miles before his head was whipped to the left at the end of his life-line.

He got on a bus to return and the air-line was severed, rendering the man dead on arrival six days later.

He wore NIKE walking shoes, for those of you who wonder.

SiReNiTa - 9-14-2011 at 09:42 PM

Phew ok...Just got back from the hospital a few minutes ago.
Fdt is heading back to TJ with his family, angel and her family are at a hotel getting some MUCH needed rest and me...well I'm trying to get the little guy to go to sleep so that I can have dinner, a shower and then some much needed sleep.

Here's where we stand as far as news, I'll try to be as accurate as I possibly can, keep in mind that I'm running on half a meal and about 5 hours of sleep in the past couple of days, so if I misspell something or leave something out don't jump down my throat just yet.

FINANCES:
HALF of the current hospital bill for Ron has been liquidated. The receptionist has showed us a sheet of expenses that states clearly how much was spent on each thing (medicine, doctors, lab tests, etc.) We will make the expenses available to all of you as soon as Ron is out of the hospital and we all have time and space to breath. Yes it's frustrating that the surgery did not happen today for lack of funds, BUT so far the hospital has been open and honest with us as far as expenses go. They are also taking exceptional care of Ron, he has a very friendly nurse who stays with him 24/7 and by the looks of it they get along very well, I'll get to the details of his care later on in the post.


Please know that things, both financially and phisically (for both Ron and Cristina) are finally sorting out.
I saw Ron this morning just after he had his tubes taken out, although he was jumpy and nervous, he was conscious and trying to sit up already. He is still bruised and is quite a bit of pain, but when I asked him how he felt he gave a half smile and tilted his hand back and forth. Later on in the day when Laura played the recording on his wife to him he improved so much it's almost hard to believe. I must say that the love those two have for each other is AMAZING, I truly believe that if it weren't for each other they would be in worse shape, it's truly touching to see such a huge amount of love between two people.
After hearing Cristina is ok, Ron immediately improved, he lay back down as if he let a huge burden off of his back. FYI Ron does not yet know that Cristina is hurt, for his own benefit he is being told that Cristina is in TJ with her sister, because of her migraines she can not travel. To some of you it may seem wrong to lie to him at this point, but it seems as if the thing that bothered him the most and took his attention away from healing himself was the fact that he was worried about the love of his life.
Ron does not remember exactly what happened to him, he has expressed the fact that he "dreamed he was being hit repeatedly" He is being told he had a nasty fall. So please, if anyone decides to visit him, keep that story in mind for the time being, let's not agitate him now that he's making some real amazing progress.

The doctors and nurses have expressed the fact that it's a true miracle that both Ron and Cristina are alive and on their way to recovery. So I want to thank you all for your prayers and good vibes.

I know it's frustrating, but please let's keep positive.

Notice I'm not saying Ron or Cristina are just fine and dandy, they are still both very much hurting and swollen and of course they don't look good, but as far as the doctors are concerned they are both out of mortal danger, and for that fact alone we should all be thankful.

I'm going to go shower now, I probably missed some things and left another few things out, I don't do it on purpose but my eyes are closing by themselves...if it weren't for spell check I'm not sure you'd understand anything I just typed.

Good night and God bless
Keep those prayers flowing!


Sirenita

DENNIS - 9-14-2011 at 09:59 PM

Thanks Sirena. Good report.

KASHEYDOG - 9-14-2011 at 10:06 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Thanks Sirena. Good report.



Si. Muchas gracias, SiReNiTa. Good night

Say good night , Dennis...:lol:

vgabndo - 9-14-2011 at 10:07 PM

You are just TOO cool. Bless you little sister.:saint:

DENNIS - 9-14-2011 at 10:10 PM

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Originally posted by KASHEYDOG
Say good night , Dennis...:lol:



G'nite all. Hasta Mañana.

KASHEYDOG - 9-14-2011 at 10:15 PM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by KASHEYDOG
Say good night , Dennis...:lol:



G'nite all. Hasta Mañana.


Good night, Dennis.....;D

Mulegena - 9-15-2011 at 01:35 AM

Another ez-pz way to send phone credit is to go into a Telcel store and give them a telephone number with payment. They'll credit that number right there and then on the spot for that amount you've purchased, 50 pesos, 100, 500.
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Originally posted by shari
to send someone saldo (minutes) you go into your message box and creat a new message and type in (by holding down the individual numbers so they dont make letters) sirena's phone # then a space and the amount you want to send up to 99 pesos then push send and type in 7373 and off it goes....I will U2U her phone # and a big thankyou


btw, LizardLips, you stepped up, made the call and done good, man. Proud of you.

This has been hard on all of us who are far away and otherwise prevented from helping with this crisis in the way we'd wish. That, coupled with the stressors of our own personal lives and responsibilities, can cause our words to be expressed in ways which are less than articulate.

Thanks, Sirena, you darling young woman.

Thanks, everyone, for all you've done today. Its been big.

and a special thank you to Ron and Cristina for getting better.

Yeah!!

Its 3-freekin thirty in the morning-- I'm going to sleep now.
Nite, Nomads...

[Edited on 9-15-2011 by Mulegena]

[Edited on 9-15-2011 by Mulegena]

ELINVESTIG8R - 9-15-2011 at 06:48 AM

FROM MY HEART


I m praying for the full recovery of Ron and Cristina as I am positive the rest of you are too. Since meeting them and having them come into my life and although we are far away from each other and we only see each other at Mama's birthday in October I have grown to love them as part of my family.

I want to say here and now to those who I have offended in the past please forgive me for my immature statements to you or about you. I say this from my heart. This experience with Ron and Cristina has reminded me that life is to precious and too short to not like one another. The ones I have offended know who you are so please do not post here in the open forum identifying yourselves as the ones I have offended. No need to say anything in private either. Just know I am sincerely sorry and hope one day you can forgive me enough so if and when we ever met we can hug one another in friendship.

Baja Nomad please delete my post on OT and that entire thread. I think you know which one I am referring to. I sincerely thank you for that.

David

KASHEYDOG - 9-15-2011 at 07:11 AM

Very nicely written and said, David...:D... Thank you. I've always been amazed at how something like this makes "life" so much more valuable and all the rest of society's BS irrelivent. Takes a real man to say what you just did and an even bigger man to put it in writing. Coodos to you, David..:yes:...:yes:...:yes:

I'm looking foward to meeting you someday.

[Edited on 9-15-11 by KASHEYDOG]

mcfez - 9-15-2011 at 07:31 AM

Money is always the bottom line.

Earlier.... I offered to drive down to Baja with my truck on a few hours notice. There are others here that have offer help in terms of money, third man actions, and researching various avenues of how to attain a good ending here. ALL should be given notice of this help. Someone here listed names of the of monetary donators only.......let's not forget the others here ...no matter how small or large of a helping hand is/was offered.

I concur with DENNIS on his views and recommendations....smart dude.

If this should help their situation down there...I offer my San Felipe beach house as collateral...should this be a tool of need.

tiotomasbcs - 9-15-2011 at 07:42 AM

Very good work Serena and Laura. You've given lots of love and life in this drama, Serena, God bless you! Issak must be soaking up the good Onda! Large and small, what an outstanding effort!! Get well quickly Ron and Christina. Tio

SiReNiTa - 9-15-2011 at 08:02 AM

Good morning everyone!

I forgot to mention last night that the hospital has verified that they do NOT have an MRI machine, the have how ever performed 3 CT scan's so far and also an Xray of the brain, they have the results for those in the room with Ron, I assume his visitors can ask the nurse to see them.

@Mcfez
I agree that EVERYONE on this board needs recognition, because in one way or another, be it with prayers, good vibes, pledges, $$ or time we have all helped in some small way, there for we have all put a little part of ourselves in to Ron and Cristina's recovery.
So one HUGE round of applause and tons of hugs and kisses to everyone on Baja Nomad, just for being yourselves and helping others in times of need :)

shari - 9-15-2011 at 08:05 AM

morning sunshines...today is a new day and hopefully Ron's jaw surgery is nearly done and there will be someone there when he wakes up so he sees a smiling face that doesnt have a nurses hat on! Anyone who knows Ron will agree, it will drive him nuts not being able to talk!!!:yes:

I hope the laura, her husband and Sirenita got some much needed rest last night and Cristina woke with more strength and clarity.

As most of you know now...Ron & Cristina are truly amazing people and it does my heart good to see them reaping all the love they have sewn over the years of selflessly helping so many people out.

I see alot of good coming out of all this on many levels...way to go DAvid for coming to your realization...love beats anger amigo!
We all realize how important it is to be better prepared for the catastrophic now and organizing health info etc. may very well save the lives of our family & amigos....have a great day everyone.

bajafam - 9-15-2011 at 08:21 AM

we will be arriving in Ensenada this evening and hope to pass Sirena some much deserved hugs and kisses.
Continued prayers to everyone...

DENNIS - 9-15-2011 at 08:33 AM

OK....lessee. Where did I leave off. I'm gonna have to start taking notes.
Hmmmmm........Oh well....I'll be back in a while. :cool:

ocotillo - 9-15-2011 at 08:43 AM

I will be passing right through Bakersfield on my way down next month. My first nights stay is usually San Quintin. If Rons family would like me to stop and pick up anything Ron or Cristina might need please U2U me your contact info. Wishing Ron & Cristina a speedy full recovery. You rock Nomads!

bajamigo - 9-15-2011 at 08:53 AM

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Originally posted by DENNIS
OK....lessee. Where did I leave off. I'm gonna have to start taking notes.
Hmmmmm........Oh well....I'll be back in a while. :cool:


Try a little more caffeine. K and I are going into Ensenada for lunch; we'll drop by del Carmen and see what's up. Last time I saw Ron was in a bar in SQ; hope we can do that again soon.

latina - 9-15-2011 at 08:56 AM

Good morning. Sure is awesome to read all these positive posts from everyone. I think when push comes to shove this group of folks continually proves what fine people they are! Anyways, wish to send money today (Thursday) towards the hospital bill but I don't know where...Pompano's post says Discover Baja (is there still someone taking the funds down tomorrow?), but Baja Nomad's suggests Western Union in Ensenada, but which one, because fdt said he didn't want to run all over Ensenada....anyways can Pompano or BajaNomad or someone else please clarify for me before I do the deed? Thank you!

BajaBlanca - 9-15-2011 at 08:58 AM

good morning all,

I have contacted our private doctor here and he is willing to go on the line and callthe hospital and give them his word (which is enough) that he personally will vouch for any needed funds.

and then we pay the hospital and done is done.

If Chrissy will also give permission - he will double check all charges for validity - ie - no absurd overcharging.

Please let me know if you want Dr Romero to do this or not.

Blanca

BajaBlanca - 9-15-2011 at 09:00 AM

latina

I think all will agree that discover baja is the best option.

DENNIS - 9-15-2011 at 09:02 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by bajamigo
Try a little more caffeine. K and I are going into Ensenada for lunch; we'll drop by del Carmen and see what's up. Last time I saw Ron was in a bar in SQ; hope we can do that again soon.


Just walk in like you own the joint. Up the driveway to the right of the main entrance to the open door on your left.
Walk right in...say Buenos Días to everybody and everything...take the first left to the ICU door about twenty feet down the hall.
Tell them you're a Catholic priest with your attending Nun....come to pray.

latina - 9-15-2011 at 09:05 AM

Thanks Blanca. Discover Baja it is! :)

Bill Collector - 9-15-2011 at 09:13 AM

Dennis you make me laugh. Thanks-Priest & Nun. Sounds like a joke coming

SiReNiTa - 9-15-2011 at 09:18 AM

Okidokie, baby and I are ready to head out the door again, first for breakfast, then downt o visit Cristina, then back to see Ron. Give you all an update later on!!!

I also just wanted to say thank you so much to all of you who have been able to send minutes to my phone, it makes me feel good that I can call with any piece of information I get so that you guys can stay informed.


Have a great day and keep those prayers coming!

KASHEYDOG - 9-15-2011 at 09:28 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by bajamigo
Try a little more caffeine. K and I are going into Ensenada for lunch; we'll drop by del Carmen and see what's up. Last time I saw Ron was in a bar in SQ; hope we can do that again soon.


Just walk in like you own the joint. Up the driveway to the right of the main entrance to the open door on your left.
Walk right in...say Buenos Días to everybody and everything...take the first left to the ICU door about twenty feet down the hall.
Tell them you're a Catholic priest with your attending Nun....come to pray.


Dennis, when you walk in you don't have to pretend to be anything or anybody. Everybody just gets down on their knees and bows. YOU are the man, Dude..:lol:..:lol:..:lol:
The rest of us have to fend for ourselves.....:no:..:rolleyes:..:mad:

[Edited on 9-15-11 by KASHEYDOG]

bajamigo - 9-15-2011 at 09:58 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by bajamigo
Try a little more caffeine. K and I are going into Ensenada for lunch; we'll drop by del Carmen and see what's up. Last time I saw Ron was in a bar in SQ; hope we can do that again soon.


Just walk in like you own the joint. Up the driveway to the right of the main entrance to the open door on your left.
Walk right in...say Buenos Días to everybody and everything...take the first left to the ICU door about twenty feet down the hall.
Tell them you're a Catholic priest with your attending Nun....come to pray.


Funny you should say that! I honestly (or dishonestly) intended to play the religion card. Twelve years of Jesuit education have not gone to waste!

One last thing here.....

mcfez - 9-15-2011 at 10:07 AM

"eBay for Charity is an easy way for buyers and sellers on eBay.com to support their favorite charities".

A account (non legal charity)could be used for raising funds for these folks. Might be good for those here with limited funds, but have a stack of junk they could sell :light:

Chrissie_Hoff - 9-15-2011 at 10:25 AM

Laura just send me the message that my dad is no longer in icu he was transfer to a regular room!!!

BajaNomad - 9-15-2011 at 10:42 AM

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Originally posted by BajaBlanca
latina

I think all will agree that discover baja is the best option.


I do not agree that it's the "best" option of the three, and have u2u'd you (and latina) with some of the reasons why from my viewpoint. It's the best option for those that are most comfortable in going through Discover Baja though... and we're very appreciative of all the efforts/sacrifices that the staff at Discover Baja has made to help in this situation. I doubt they realized what level they had committed themselves to. So...

Big THANK YOU to Discover Baja! :)

BajaNomad - 9-15-2011 at 10:59 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Chrissie_Hoff
Laura just send me the message that my dad is no longer in icu he was transfer to a regular room!!!


FWIW... this will reduce the daily expenses considerably.

If you haven't picked up on it yet... Ron has not yet gone in for surgery. Latest "promise" is for this evening. His surgery is supposed to take 5-8 hours, and as it's not life-threatening, he's not highest on the priority list it appears.

While the family could definitely still use financial support that might be available, lack of payment is not a reason being given for today's (further) delay. This has more to do with the surgeon than the hospital - which I'm hearing is taking damn good care of Ron.

Visiting hours for Cristina are noon-1pm - and we'll have another report back on her a little later today. Everything thus far with her has been positive though - and I think the expectation is for her to be released in the next few days.

-
Doug




[Edited on 9-15-2011 by BajaNomad]

BajaNomad - 9-15-2011 at 11:11 AM

Also of note...

Ron's apparently starting to have things come back to him from the incident... which, I presume is good. It's not a given though for him to have any recall whatsoever. I had a concussion many years ago, and still have no recollection of the latter part of the day that the injury occurred. fyi.

BajaNomad - 9-15-2011 at 11:16 AM

More...

Message from angels4: "We left Ron asleep last night but he was more alert and starting to remember things. We told him he fell from the stairs. But we know we are buying sometime for now. He also believes Cristina is in TJ with his sister due to her severe migraines (that she's having treated)."

BajaBlanca - 9-15-2011 at 11:18 AM

what I heard is that doctors go there on a rotating basis and are on call as needed - they do not stay there for a set period of time every day.

Dr Romero says it is a good hospital - all I can say is: this is Mexico - one person says it is bad place and another says it is good. and everything is for manana in mananaland.

ok, time for a break - I am tired so tired and it is only noon here !! :lol:

prayers for Ron going out again and all of you, please keep sending those notes to the governor - it is important for him to see we are a BIG community and united and not only want Ron and Cristina well taken care of but also want JUSTICE :fire:

Pescador - 9-15-2011 at 11:31 AM

For those who live in Mexico, you can U2U Doug at Bajanomad and he will give you the account number for FDT's Banamex account and it is simple to transfer funds to that account either from a Bancomer or a Banamex bank.

Bajamatic - 9-15-2011 at 11:44 AM

This is amazing. Scary and tragic, but the nomad side of this is incredibly inspirational.

Doug: If there's a better way than Discover Baja to get money to whoever needs it from the states, please U2U me the options. I don't know Ron personally, but I'm sold on the nomads helping Nomads thing. Huge round of applause for those working tirelessly to make things happen for Ron and his family. Nomads Rule.

sanquintinsince73 - 9-15-2011 at 11:46 AM

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Originally posted by redmesa
Thanks you, Blanca. I sent the letter. We will see if he notices our appeals.
Suzanne

[Edited on 9-14-2011 by redmesa]

I sent it as well. I also attached the Sig On San Diego article so that they can see that our media is aware of the incident.

oladulce - 9-15-2011 at 12:37 PM

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Originally posted by BajaNomad

...If you haven't picked up on it yet... Ron has not yet gone in for surgery. Latest "promise" is for this evening. His surgery is supposed to take 5-8 hours, and as it's not life-threatening...


Questions Ron's medical advocate/decision maker may want to ask to help them plan ahead:

What part of his "jaw" is broken?
Are facial bones involved?
What is the surgery they plan to do?

5-8 hrs is a long time for the repair/wiring of a simple lower jaw (mandibular) fracture and the fact they were concerned about having blood on hand makes me wonder if there is more involved. Facial bone fractures can accompany jaw injuries and that surgical repair is more involved and can require a return to ICU after surgery, usually only briefly though. Not always, but sometimes.

If the doctor hasn't already explained the extent of his "jaw" injury and the procedure they plan to do, his family might want to find out to help them plan for the days ahead.

No matter what, get the blender ready for him - and not just for his margaritas. bummer. :(

He might run out of note paper too in the days ahead (in case it's hard to understand him with his mouth wired shut). An Etch-a-sketch works great but maybe there's something more high tech nowadays.

DENNIS - 9-15-2011 at 12:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by oladulce
No matter what, get the blender ready for him - and not just for his margaritas. bummer. :(




I was in the VA hospital, many times, but once with a guy who had a broken jaw with enough wire to build a fence.
Well....he had cheeseburger cravings so they got a few burgers of his own personal selection and blended them, one at a time, to a thick liquid. He took them through a straw and that satisfied the cravings. I guess they taste the same no matter how you abuse them.

I can see them now...a six-pak of McJesses.

DENNIS - 9-15-2011 at 12:54 PM

I wonder if Del Carmen is a hot-zone? We'll have to get him wired [or unwired] up.

BillP - 9-15-2011 at 12:55 PM

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Originally posted by ridge
I bet he types...well.

>>> laptop + external keyboard
He could also use a texting type cell phone, just don't hit send.

Cypress - 9-15-2011 at 12:58 PM

Hope he and his lady make a full recovery. They've taken a hard hit. A very hard hit.:(

Sallysouth - 9-15-2011 at 01:08 PM

My daughter, Juanita, was born in Sanatorio Del Carmen in 1968.What a coincidence.I almost died there that night.Hemmoraged in my room, was found in a pool of blood, unconcience.That was a VERY long time ago tho, and all the nurses were Nuns and wore Habits.They had never seen a La Maz, natural birth in that hospital until me either.I'm sayin prayers for Ron and Cristina and am so glad they will both be alright!!What a feaky experience.God speed both of you...Sally

oladulce - 9-15-2011 at 01:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
I was in the VA hospital, many times, but once with a guy who had a broken jaw with enough wire to build a fence.
Well....he had cheeseburger cravings so they got a few burgers of his own personal selection and blended them, one at a time, to a thick liquid. He took them through a straw and that satisfied the cravings. I guess they taste the same no matter how you abuse them.

I can see them now...a six-pak of McJesses.


I had a patient with his jaws wired come in to the ER after attempting to "drink" a burrito. He said "I couldn't stand liquids any more!"

He wasn't in a acute state. But he didn't press "liquefy" long enough and he couldn't get the clumps out from behind the wires at home. I tried, but wasn't successful perfoming a complete extraction and we had to snip the wires.

BajaGeoff - 9-15-2011 at 01:41 PM

Wow! I was out of town when this happened so just now catching up on this expansive thread! I am really glad to see Ron's condition has improved and love seeing all the support from the Baja Nomad family! Hang in there amigo!

DENNIS - 9-15-2011 at 02:08 PM

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Originally posted by Gruñón
I was with Ron at about 11 this morning for a while.
He is alert and talking but softly.

He said he did not remember what happened.
I told him to ask three people and he would get three versions and he can pick the one he likes.

He said to say "HI and thank you all"

He is in room 102.

Enter the building and make a left. Room 102 is on your left about 3 doors down.


Hey there, Gruñon.....good to see you.

ELINVESTIG8R - 9-15-2011 at 02:10 PM

Woooo Hooo it's Gruñon...Hola Hermano!

fdt - 9-15-2011 at 02:11 PM

Hi all;
Last night little Sofia and myself got home to Tijuana pretty late and this morning I have been totaly busy with obligations but here we go again.
As you all read from Sirenita's report, Cristina is doing much much better and is very grateful for all your prayers for her and Ron. She is beeing well taken care of at Hospital General and should be out soon. I don't want to be repetitive from what you have read here as I was reporting to Doug and also KASHEYDOG via Nextel as I was down in Ensenada.
As you've also read Ron is no longer in ICU, he has been transfered to a regular hospital room in Sanatorio del Carmen (it should be "Sanatorio Del Crimen" because of the rates they charge) it will now be a lower daily rate, plus of course gloves, water, medicines, kleenex, etc., etc.
I must say that Ron is doing very well, considering the injuries he had by the beasts that got him. He recognized me immediatly as I walked into the IC yesterday and was very happy to see me. I told him how much everyone on Baja Nomad cared for his well beeing and that you all send your best wishes for his fast recovery. We held hands like forever, what a guy. As you've also read, the story he knows is that he suffered a big fall and that is why he's in the hospital and to fix his broken jaw. He's been told Cristina is in Tijuana with a terrible cold and migranes and can not visit him at the moment. He told me he felt as if someone was repeatedly hitting him in the head and kept hitting him and hitting him. I told him it was because of the fall he hit himself a lot. In any case he has dificulty talking and it takes a while to get used to listening to him and understand what he's saying because of the broken jaw but all in all he is very strong man and is going to come out of this very soon.
Laura and her family have been with him for a few days now and the must return to take care of her children so I'm taking over for her and will be staying by Rons bedside until Christine, his daughter arrives. I'll be doing "El Grito" from the Hospital tonight :light:
Now even thou they will both be getting out of this, do not think Ron or Cristina will be starting work the following day. Their care must continue and will probably go on for over a monthe at least, not at hospitals but with someone taking care of them. I'm not sure but I believe Christine has made some arrangements for them and if iit's in the Tijuana Rosarito area I will be there for them.
I would like to thank the people that have pledge donations to help pay for the hospital bills, without your help it would have been really hard on the Hoff's.
Ok. If there is internet at the hospital I plan to be posting from there.
Now I'll get to the U2U's I have, go finish getting things in order here with the kids and hotels and I'll be on my way to Ensenada.
Saludos
Fernando

DENNIS - 9-15-2011 at 03:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Gruñón
Forgot to mention that tho Ron and I have *talked* on the net for years we had never met.



That's a surprise. Vince and Kathleen are going to see him today and I just remembered he's been moved. I guess they'll find him.

Bajahowodd - 9-15-2011 at 04:13 PM

As I'm waiting for updates, I do want to throw kudos to the little mermaid for helping provide info.

DENNIS - 9-15-2011 at 04:33 PM

Here's an update for ya.
The hospital has been putting off the operation for various reasons, one being they had to go to the states to get needed parts for the surgery.
Specifically, I don't know what those could be, but I'm sure there's a lot of hardware involved.

Ken Cooke - 9-15-2011 at 04:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mcfez
"eBay for Charity is an easy way for buyers and sellers on eBay.com to support their favorite charities".


I have lots of Jeep parts that I need to get rid of.:light:

Barry A. - 9-15-2011 at 04:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS


That's a surprise. Vince and Kathleen are going to see him today and I just remembered he's been moved. I guess they'll find him.


Dennis--------are you speaking of NOMAD "Vince"???

Barry

DENNIS - 9-15-2011 at 04:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Barry A.
Dennis--------are you speaking of NOMAD "Vince"???

Barry


Not exactly, Barry. He's Nomad Bajamigo.

bajafam - 9-15-2011 at 04:57 PM

Talked with Sirena about an hour ago. She said Ron is scheduled for surgery this evening at 5:30.

Ron looks pretty damn good....

bajamigo - 9-15-2011 at 05:12 PM

...especially in light of the way he's been described up until now. Bajabound2005 and I just got back from a visit with him. He is now in a private room (#102) and seems to be resting comfortably.

His face is a bit battered, but his sense of humor seems intact; when I said, "mira se muy feo," he laughed audibly. He is able to speak but only in a low whisper. I had to put my ear to his mouth to hear him, and what I heard was a guy who definitely has his marbles.

At the moment I'm writing this, he is hopefully being prepared for the operation to reset his jaw, barring any last-minute "misunderstandings" of the sort that caused yesterday's postponement.

As we were leaving, Sirenita & Son were arriving with the Bakersfield Bunch, who will be heading back home tonight. In my non medical opinion, what Ron seems to want most of all right now (aside from seeing his wife and seeing her well) is visitors. I'll be heading back again on Monday.

By the way, while del Carmen ain't no UCSD, it's clean, quiet and well-staffed. Given the circumstances, he is in excellent hands.

Packoderm - 9-15-2011 at 05:41 PM

I wasn't able to read all 30 pages of this. Is he still in need of funds for his hospital bill? If not, is he in need of funds to pay the Mexican law enforcement to keep the 7 people who beat him in jail? I don't have much, but I can send $50 via paypal if that helps at all.

BajaBlanca - 9-15-2011 at 05:42 PM

less than an hour to go - positive energy to you Ron .... and get well VERY fast Cristina ....


Happy El Grito to all of you.

shari - 9-15-2011 at 05:59 PM

wooohooo....sirenita just called and said that they wheeled Ron into OR and he smiled at Izaak and waved at Sirena on his ride on the gurney...so he is PROBABLY....I aint sayin he is for sure....getting his jaw worked on...finally. Sirena is feeling so much better after seeing that grin of Ron's!

She also spent time with Cristina today who will be released very very soon and is doing terrific...she taped another message for her media naranja...her other half. This is all just great news so I will have a little GRITO de felizidad right now...we should all sleep a bit sounder tonight.

yeah Packoderm...every little bit helps for sure and they are gonna need it! Even though nomads are amazing for helping each other out...this is a special case...I cant say enough good things about ron & cristina...they deserve all the support we can muster and anyone who hasnt met them should go out of their way to do so...then you will know what we're talking about here and why we are so passionate about them.

VIVA RON & CRISTINA...VIVA!!!!! VIVA NOMADS.....VIVA!!!

My prayers are with you both

Keri - 9-15-2011 at 06:03 PM

It seems like I've been reading for hours,well actually I have this is a long thread to take in all at once. I am so sorry to hear about Ron and Cristina, They are kinda sort of neighbors of mine. I have a home in SAn Q and Ron and I have emailed a bunch.I wish them both rapid healing and thank all of you angeles for helping get all the info to us. Sirena you have been great . I know it has been hard for you to handle all this and a baby to. Hugs to you for all your time spent.If there is anything I can do from here ( I still can't walk yet)or if they need a place to stay I can help with that. My thoughts and prayers are with you,k

bajafam - 9-15-2011 at 06:03 PM

We were wary of visiting, as we did not want Ron to feel as though he needed to be social with us, and since we have never met IRL. Perhaps this wasn't the best call, as you said he would like visitors. We may drop by manana, and see how he is progressing post surgery.
Continued prayers....

bajamigo - 9-15-2011 at 06:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by shari
wooohooo....sirenita just called and said that they wheeled Ron into OR and he smiled at Izaak and waved at Sirena on his ride on the gurney...so he is PROBABLY....I aint sayin he is for sure....getting his jaw worked on...finally.


Why else would they be wheeling him into the OR?

shari - 9-15-2011 at 06:08 PM

Lionel...i think it is the perfect time for you to meet Ron...you and he have alot in common...hard to get a word in edgewise with both of you!!!:biggrin: sooooo you will keep him entertained I'm sure with no lack of words...ron's gonna be an ever better listener over the next while...definately go see him!

bajamigo...it's just that we have thought he was getting operated on for the last 3 days and they kept coming up with a raft of reasons(excuses) why it didnt happen...which is why I am being cynical.

[Edited on 9-16-2011 by shari]

AmoPescar - 9-15-2011 at 06:17 PM

To CHRISSIE HOFF...

PLEASE ACCEPT MY SINCERE APOLOGY!!

I want to publicly tell you and your family that I am ‘VERY SORRY’ for what I wrote the other day on the Baja Nomad board regarding the care of your Father and Cristina!

I should not have questioned or second-guessed your decisions on how their medical care should be handled. I’m sure you had valid and well thought out reasons for making them. Nor should I have publicly questioned your decision to return home. It was none of my business
to wonder why you did that, especially without any facts as to why.

In my defense, I hope you will understand that I, like all Baja Nomads, was very enraged about what had happened to your Dad and Cristina and was both frustrated and impassioned about what seemed to many to be questionable medical care in a reputedly questionable facility.

Again, please forgive me for questioning your choices and decisions!!

Like everyone here, I am so happy to read that they are improving every hour and day! Please know too that I continue to pray for their continuing recovery and healing and that all will work out and be fine with time!

Sincerely,
Amo Pescar / Miguelamo / Michael

DENNIS - 9-15-2011 at 06:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by shari
a raft of reasons(excuses) why it didnt happen...


The reason I gave above is for real. I have my source.

AmoPescar - 9-15-2011 at 06:26 PM

What.....NO Ace Hardware stores in Ensenada? ....LOL!!

After all..."Ace is the place of the helpful hardware man"!
Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Here's an update for ya.
The hospital has been putting off the operation for various reasons, one being they had to go to the states to get needed parts for the surgery.
Specifically, I don't know what those could be, but I'm sure there's a lot of hardware involved.

DENNIS - 9-15-2011 at 06:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AmoPescar
What.....NO Ace Hardware stores in Ensenada? ....LOL!!



Actually, there is although all similarities end with the sign.

David K - 9-15-2011 at 06:35 PM

Hello Amigos... First off, I am very happy to hear of the progress of Ron and Cristina... I was very scared for them and a bit angry (like Amo Pescar) that Ron didn't get transfered to the VA or another U.S. hospital, fearing for his life.

Good news is good!

Today I recieved a couple of phone calls I want to share a bit of...

Antonio 'BajaCactus' called me from El Rosario at 2:30 this afternoon when he learned of this and that I was trying to reach him.

(I was on a job today, otherwise I would have posted sooner)

Antonio will do what ever he can to help. I asked if he had any direct contact with the governor (he doesn't) and suggested he read Baja Nomad to get the latest news, when he can.

Antonio apologized for being out-of-the-loop for so long... just a LOT of issues going on that keeps him focused on the Pemex and motel in El Rosario... and no time for casual Internet forum reading.

Another phone call from a personal friend and a Baja Nomad came today who has pledged to send $1,000 (dollars) tomorrow to help Ron. I suggested he do so through Carol at Discover Baja... or to read the latest posting here.

Way to go amigo!!!

MexicoTed - 9-15-2011 at 07:50 PM

Wow, like BajaGeoff I am now just returning from a small trip and can not believe what I am reading. I am in shock. I was actually just down Ron's way three weeks or so ago exploring the area.

I am praying for a full recovery and that those responsible are put away for a long time.

Ted

BajaNomad - 9-15-2011 at 07:55 PM

So, a couple of things. I'm hoping for better clarification....

Ron went in for the procedure on his jaw around 6pm - as noted by Shari. They were expecting a 3 hour procedure (that was the most recent estimate).

He was brought back out of the procedure sometime at or shortly after 7pm. Said he was too "hypertensive" making it difficult to work on him and complete the procedure. So, they've set his jaw better, but the procedure is not complete (but his mouth is shut with openings on the corners for liquid nourishment). Apparently he could leave tomorrow if he chose to do so (and receive a refund on the incomplete procedure), but it would be in his best interest to get the procedure completed. Sounds like they (the hospital/doctor) would like to see him stay another day or two to try again (and get his tension level down?).

Some of today's good news is that it was felt Cristina had recovered enough to give her the option of being discharged today or staying another night at the General Hospital. She did decide to stay the extra night.

Sounds like there could be a reunion of the two tomorrow. Depends on what the family decides. Cristina could potentially go stay with family in Tijuana, or find a way to stay in Ensenada closer to Ron. I'd imagine that would be decided tomorrow, or sometime soon.

-
Doug




[Edited on 9-16-2011 by BajaNomad]

BajaNomad - 9-15-2011 at 07:58 PM

FDT is staying in the hospital with Ron through the evening and into tomorrow. Sounds like there'll be others that have said they'll come and visit tomorrow as well.

DENNIS - 9-15-2011 at 08:03 PM

My same source of info on the jaw hardware got it directly from the doctors that they want to keep him longer........just because.
He is a highly credible source at that.

I'm only a messenger.

gnukid - 9-15-2011 at 08:34 PM

Sending good thoughts to Ron and Christina for a speedy recovery!

BajaNomad - 9-15-2011 at 08:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Gruñón

I don't know if the ball has been dropped or was never passed but..In the past few days by both e-mail and phone I have offered Cristina a place to stay as long as she needs it just 8 blocks from the hospital Ron is in.

The four different people all said they would pass the message to her...
Does anyone know if she is aware she has a place to stay or not?
I am free to drive her back and forth to see Ron anytime she want to go.


I know you've gotten that info to me (and I've passed it directly to Christine), as well as Laura/angels4, and likely (?) FDT - so the offer is known about.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

I don't know where Christine plans to stay tomorrow and over the weekend, nor what the plan is for Cristina if she wants to stay in Ensenada after getting out of the hospital.

Thank you very much for your generous offer of a place for the family to stay at near the hospital.

shari - 9-15-2011 at 09:04 PM

just because

David K - 9-15-2011 at 09:04 PM

>>> he was too "hypertensive" <<<

?? I wonder if this means his blood pressure was too high?

Unless they are doing jaw surgery with a local, wouldn't he be sedated before an operation?

[Edited on 9-16-2011 by David K]

shari - 9-15-2011 at 09:19 PM

it made me awfully hypertense when I heard that....grrrr

good night john boy

hang in there Ron boy

BajaBlanca - 9-15-2011 at 09:27 PM

we need to pray harder, people ! can't wait to see Ron participating on this board .... anyone out there able to answer David's question ?

bajamigo - 9-15-2011 at 09:31 PM

Again, I'm not a doctor nor have I ever played one, but the way it was explained to us at the hospital suggested that no cutting would be done. Here's an item I googled which may describe what Ron is about to encounter:

"Many mandible fractures are stable, and the only treatment required is wiring the upper and lower teeth together. This will most commonly be performed by an oral and maxillofacial surgeon."

I guess you'd have to be pretty relaxed to sit still for this procedure, especially when you're in pain.

Chrissie_Hoff - 9-15-2011 at 09:33 PM

No apology needed, we are all here with one goal and that goal was to get Cristina and my dad out of the hospital walking and in good spirits!!!!

Like I said before, the 1 st and best lesson I learn from my dad is we are human, and that is why we all have different opinions, maybe I was wrong, but the outcome looks good!!!

So I don't know about you, but I can wait to meet all of you!!!!! I owe so much to each one of you, I don't know bow to start....

So if anytime you want to stop by Bakersfield instead of just drive by.... You have my home with open doors!!!

David K - 9-15-2011 at 09:38 PM

Thank you very much!

BajaBlanca - 9-15-2011 at 10:06 PM

hi Chrissie ! everything is looking so much better now You must be so relieved....did you see the offer of a place to stay in Ensenada mentioned above ?

buenas noches and good EL GRITO to all.

Chrissie_Hoff - 9-15-2011 at 10:32 PM

I did. Not sure where are we staying yet, but I will keep the offer in mind!

EnsenadaDr - 9-15-2011 at 10:38 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BajaNomad
So, a couple of things. I'm hoping for better clarification....

Ron went in for the procedure on his jaw around 6pm - as noted by Shari. They were expecting a 3 hour procedure (that was the most recent estimate).

He was brought back out of the procedure sometime at or shortly after 7pm. Said he was too "hypertensive" making it difficult to work on him and complete the procedure. So, they've set his jaw better, but the procedure is not complete (but his mouth is shut with openings on the corners for liquid nourishment). Apparently he could leave tomorrow if he chose to do so (and receive a refund on the incomplete procedure), but it would be in his best interest to get the procedure completed. Sounds like they (the hospital/doctor) would like to see him stay another day or two to try again (and get his tension level down?).

Some of today's good news is that it was felt Cristina had recovered enough to give her the option of being discharged today or staying another night at the General Hospital. She did decide to stay the extra night.

Sounds like there could be a reunion of the two tomorrow. Depends on what the family decides. Cristina could potentially go stay with family in Tijuana, or find a way to stay in Ensenada closer to Ron. I'd imagine that would be decided tomorrow, or sometime soon.

-
Doug




[Edited on 9-16-2011 by BajaNomad]

EnsenadaDr - 9-15-2011 at 10:43 PM

During surgery, or in this case, wiring your jaws together, you would most probably need anesthesia. During a procedure, a person can develop high blood pressure. There is a potent drug called Sodium Nitroprusside, that can drop your blood pressure to a manageable level. I have seen anesthesiologists refuse to do surgery on people because of high blood pressure. But they can also use this drug to lower the blood pressure to a manageable level during surgery. It all depends on the anesthesiologist.

Woooosh - 9-15-2011 at 11:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
During surgery, or in this case, wiring your jaws together, you would most probably need anesthesia. During a procedure, a person can develop high blood pressure. There is a potent drug called Sodium Nitroprusside, that can drop your blood pressure to a manageable level. I have seen anesthesiologists refuse to do surgery on people because of high blood pressure. But they can also use this drug to lower the blood pressure to a manageable level during surgery. It all depends on the anesthesiologist.

I'm STILL biting my tongue here...
:saint::saint::rolleyes:

EnsenadaDr - 9-16-2011 at 07:06 AM

Waiting for equipment to do surgery is common in Ensenada. I assisted Dr. Morfin of the Military Hospital in many surgeries and he had to wait for screws and bolts and different orthopedic equipment from Mexico City many times. Ace Hardware and Home Depot didn't have what he was looking for unfortunately. On my way to San Diego this morning to go to court on a ticket I paid that turned into a failure to appear..! Then I just got my brakes fixed at Cabrera's brakes in town a few weeks ago and they are making noises so I need to go there first to check them out...seems like I am always following up behind work done badly.....and wasting my time!!

mtgoat666 - 9-16-2011 at 07:18 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Waiting for equipment to do surgery is common in Ensenada. I assisted Dr. Morfin of the Military Hospital in many surgeries and he had to wait for screws and bolts and different orthopedic equipment from Mexico City many times. Ace Hardware and Home Depot didn't have what he was looking for unfortunately. On my way to San Diego this morning to go to court on a ticket I paid that turned into a failure to appear..! Then I just got my brakes fixed at Cabrera's brakes in town a few weeks ago and they are making noises so I need to go there first to check them out...seems like I am always following up behind work done badly.....and wasting my time!!


it seems every day brings more reasons for Ron to have left Mexico for treatment!
this thread is a great sales tool for health insurance and medical evacuation insurance!
good luck Ron!

Skipjack Joe - 9-16-2011 at 07:30 AM

"Dr. Morfin" - I love it. Always something to smile about on Nomads.

shari - 9-16-2011 at 07:37 AM

Ahhh Igor....Ya just know we're gonna be laughing about that with Ron for many years to come...just too good.

EnsenadaDr - 9-16-2011 at 08:13 AM

Ha Ha the funny thing is that Dr. Morfin does NOT like to overuse pain medications...in fact, he NEVER uses narcotics post-op...I recommend to all my American friends to bring "the good stuff" down from their doctors in the US because its very rare that you will get narcotics for any post surgical procedure in Mex..as my friend did when she had plastic surgery with Dr. Gongora at Genesis Clinic in Rosarito...he was great...oh well got to go...a LONNGGG day awaits me in San Diego!!

Neal Johns - 9-16-2011 at 08:17 AM

Q: Doctor, I've heard that cardiovascular exercise can prolong life. Is this true?
A: Heart only good for so many beats, and that it... Don't waste on exercise. Everything wear out eventually. Speeding up heart not make you live longer; it like saying you extend life of car by driving faster. Want to live longer? Take nap.

Q: Should I reduce my alcohol intake?
A: Oh no. Wine made from fruit. Brandy distilled wine, that mean they take water out of fruity bit so you get even more of goodness that way. Beer also made of grain. Bottom up!

Q: How can I calculate my body/fat ratio?
A: Well, if you have body and you have fat, your ratio one to one. If you have two body, your ratio two to one.

Q: What are some of the advantages of participating in a regular exercise program?
A: Can't think of single one, sorry. My philosophy: No pain...good!

Q: Aren't fried foods bad for you?
A: YOU NOT LISTENING! Food fried in vegetable oil. How getting more vegetable be bad?

Q : Will sit-ups help prevent me from getting a little soft around the middle?
A: Oh no! When you exercise muscle, it get bigger. You should only be doing sit-up if you want bigger stomach.

Q: Is chocolate bad for me?
A: You crazy?!? HEL-LO-O!! Cocoa bean! Another vegetable! It best feel-good food around!

Q: Is swimming good for your figure?
A: If swimming good for figure, explain whale to me.

Q: Is getting in shape important for my lifestyle?
A: Hey! 'Round' is shape!

Well... I hope this has cleared up any misconceptions you may have had about food and diets.

And remember:
Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways - Chardonnay in one hand - chocolate in the other - body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO-HOO, what a ride!!"

AND.....

For those of you who watch what you eat, here's the final word on nutrition and health. It's a relief to know the truth after all those conflicting nutritional studies.

1. The Japanese eat very little fat and suffer fewer heart attacks than Americans.

2. The Mexicans eat a lot of fat and suffer fewer heart attacks than Americans.

3. The Chinese drink very little red wine and suffer fewer heart attacks than Americans.

4. The Italians drink a lot of red wine and suffer fewer heart attacks than Americans...

5. The Germans drink a lot of beer and eat lots of sausages and fats and suffer fewer heart attacks than Americans.

CONCLUSION: Eat and drink what you like. Speaking English is apparently what kills you.

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tiotomasbcs - 9-16-2011 at 08:19 AM

Sweet Sister Mophin(e) Jagger/Richards. Where's the photo from?? Marijuana Madness? Hilarious! Good to laugh to ease the pressure. Glad the reports are more positive. Tio

DENNIS - 9-16-2011 at 08:22 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by tiotomasbcs

Marijuana Madness?



http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6696582420128930236...
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