BajaNomad - BC and BCS COVID-19 Active Cases

It's just insane that in the US you can go to the closest drug store to get vaccinated and people don't do it. Effing stupid.

[Edited on 9-22-2021 by SFandH]

These are the ppl JZ thinks need cajoling, persuasion, more info, begging, to get them onboard. F’ em.

Insurance companies should refuse reimbursement if they get sick. Make them pay or drive them into bankruptcy. It's soooo easy and free to get vaccinated.

SFandH - 9-23-2021 at 05:41 AM

Out of curiosity- Have either of the 2 of you ever smoked, done drugs of any kind, drank alcohol in excess or had any fast food or other things KNOWN to be contrary to a healthy lifestyle?

Thats what I thought- Now you 2 can STFU ;-)

Apples and oranges. None of those behavioral issues directly endanger others by contact like an infectious, highly contagious viral disease that can hospitalize/kill within a week or two and be easily combatted with one or two simple, free injections available at the local drugstore.

Not getting vaccinated when you easily can be is negligent behavior that endangers others.

[Edited on 9-23-2021 by SFandH]

gnukid - 9-23-2021 at 08:03 AM

156 die after covid vaccine in BCS

https://www.bcsnoticias.mx/en-bcs-156-personas-murieron-pese...

Pese a estar vacunados, mueren por Covid-19 10 personas en BCS
https://www.ejecentral.com.mx/10-vacunados-mueren-covid-19-b...

Mueren 10 personas por COVID-19 que habían sido vacunadas en Baja California Sur
https://laverdadnoticias.com/mexico/Mueren-10-personas-por-C...

[Edited on 9-23-2021 by gnukid]

Tioloco - 9-23-2021 at 08:12 AM

SF&H- With that logic, I dont understand. I have been vaxed. What does it matter if others dont? Their choice, right?

On the other hand you reference climate change frequently. Isnt your frivilous recreational travel endangering ALL of us with the unnecessary emission of carbons into the atmosphere when you fly or drive for leisure. Isnt this negligent behavior if measured by YOUR standard?

Why are YOU killing us with your selfish negligence?
Very hypocritical.

SFandH - 9-23-2021 at 08:44 AM

SF&H- With that logic, I dont understand. I have been vaxed. What does it matter if others dont? Their choice, right?

It matters because unvaccinated people can easily get sick and infect other unvaccinated people. The more sick people there are the more the likelihood of a more virulent mutation that evades current vaccines, making everyone, vaccinated or not, sick and putting us back to square one.

Not to mention the misery, the cost, and economic disruption caused by an infectious viral disease spreading throughout the world.

Your freedom of choice ends when it endangers others.

gnukid - 9-23-2021 at 08:54 AM

Naturally recuperated carry the highest form of immunity and are not contagious, actually, those recuperated share immunity intelligence with others, while VACCINATED ARE CONTAGIOUS, at a viral load rate much higher than unvaccinated, they continue to shed, while continuously hyper producing the pathogen spike protein that causes illness, forever, requiring continuous shots for reasons that are not clear. To date there is not transparency about what is in the vaccines and what they do and what is the actual result because there are not adequate studies.

Today, the Health spokesperson for BCS reports that there are deaths following vaccination for each of the products, now totaling at least 156 deaths of vaccinated following 1 or 2 doses, while the jabs do not protect from infection nor transmission nor reduce contagiousness, while they do cause antibody dependent enhancement which compromises immune system.

https://www.bcsnoticias.mx/en-bcs-156-personas-murieron-pese...

If you are paying attention we are at a point, that those vaccinated must consider what is happening to their bodies and what risk it poses to themselves and the general population.

A recent survey of the highest vaccinated population found, 22% of those vaccinated after two doses, who were hospitalized, died.

"El 22% de los hospitalizados, pese a las dos dosis, muere"
https://as.com/diarioas/2021/07/20/actualidad/1626760804_162...
Un estudio concluye que "una minoría" de personas vacunadas puede enfermar gravemente y fallecer por la COVID-19, aunque suelen tener enfermedades previas.

[Edited on 9-23-2021 by gnukid]

SFandH - 9-23-2021 at 09:05 AM

To date there is not transparency about what is in the vaccines and what they do and what is the actual result because there are not adequate studies.

Well, you seem to know everything, how could that be?

SFandH - 9-23-2021 at 03:16 PM

Quote: Originally posted by lencho

Oh well, the BC and BCS COVID-19 Active Cases thread moves to schoolyard level U.S. politics again.

And little hope for it to realize its (in my opinion) initial useful purpose. At 835 (mostly-off-topic) posts, it's too far down that road to turn back now.

Wonder if there's a way to just copy all your helpful tables to a new thread and leave this one to run its current off-the-rail course towards oblivion...?

Looks like a whole series of off-topic posts from this morning have been removed.

JZ - 9-23-2021 at 04:43 PM

Ok back to the topic. And the topic of vaccine mandates has been discussed more than a dozen times ITT by the thread starter himself. So, I don't want to hear any belly aching from him, ok?

If you've read my posts, you've seen me tell you many times this was coming from minorities. Well now it's here, and it's going put a lot of you in a very confused state, I think. And don't attack me. I'm just posting the news.

New York BLM Leader Promises National ‘Uprising’ Over ‘Racist’ Vaccine Mandates

“We’re putting this city on notice that your mandate will not be another racist social distance practice. Black people are not going to stand by, or you will see another uprising. And that is not a threat. That is a promise,” she continued. “The vaccination passport is not a free passport to racism.”

“Seventy-two percent of black people in this city from ages 18 to 44 are unvaccinated,” Newsome said during the protest at Carmine’s, according to The Washington Examiner. “So what is going to stop the Gestapo, I mean the NYPD, from rounding up black people, from snatching them off the train, off the bus?”

https://www.dailywire.com/news/new-york-blm-leader-promises-...

[Edited on 9-23-2021 by JZ]

Lee - 9-23-2021 at 04:44 PM

Today, the Health spokesperson for BCS reports that there are deaths following vaccination for each of the products, now totaling at least 156 deaths of vaccinated following 1 or 2 doses, while the jabs do not protect from infection nor transmission nor reduce contagiousness, while they do cause antibody dependent enhancement which compromises immune system.

https://www.bcsnoticias.mx/en-bcs-156-personas-murieron-pese...
[Edited on 9-23-2021 by gnukid]

Here's the problem, Paul. You believe most or everything that comes out of Baja. I don't.

You paraphrase what you read as if it's the truth. It's simply not the truth.

You believe in conspiracy theories and make up stuff as you go along.

People have enough information. You spread misinformation. Unconscionable.

Alm - 9-23-2021 at 05:09 PM

And it's important to know that Mexicans that are not vaccinated cannot just go and get vaccinated. There are not enough vaccines to go around. Under 50% are fully vaccinated. Baja California has vaccines only for second doses of certain types of vaccines. In Tijuana it's Pfizer and Sinovac and those are available only in one place in the whole city.

Under 40% of total population of Mexico are fully vaccinated. Probably under 50% of eligible population. With variants, until they get to 80-90%, it will keep spilling across the border. Tourists and dual citizens are crossing South and coming back uncontrolled, not to mention international flights. By the time they vaccinate 80%, the first 10-20% will have lost whatever immunity they had. They need more vaccine and fast.

JZ - 9-23-2021 at 05:11 PM

Agree 100% with your last sentence.

Purdyd - 9-23-2021 at 06:33 PM

The article says 156 have died from covid in spite of having one or two shots. It doesn’t say how many had one.

But in the body of the article, it lists deaths by vaccines and they only add up to 56. There is no link to the press conference presentation that this article references,

No one said this in the article,

Quote:

while the jabs do not protect from infection nor transmission nor reduce contagiousness, while they do cause antibody dependent enhancement which compromises immune system.

There is no evidence that ADE is an issue with covid vaccines

https://www.gov.il/en/departments/news/fake-ade

Nor is there any evidence that people who recover from covid develop ADE.

Remember both vaccine and recovery develop anti bodies.

mtgoat666 - 9-23-2021 at 06:45 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Purdyd

Quote:

while the jabs do not protect from infection nor transmission nor reduce contagiousness, while they do cause antibody dependent enhancement which compromises immune system.

People die all the time. A death following vaccination does not mean the vaccination caused the death. Vaccinate a million people, and of course you will see a few deaths. Death happens every day due to many causes.

Has anyone shown a link of vaccination and death? No significant link.

Alm - 9-23-2021 at 11:15 PM

A death following vaccination does not mean the vaccination caused the death.

You think gnukid doesn't know this?

Has anyone shown a link of vaccination and death? No significant link.

In rare cases where there appears to be a link, there are often "other medical conditions" mentioned in such deaths.
OTH, heart inflammation in unvaccinated people infected with Covid is 4 times more common than same inflammation caused by vaccine.

[Edited on 9-24-2021 by Alm]

SFandH - 9-24-2021 at 11:07 AM

A turn for the worse in BC: "the State could go back from yellow to orange "

https://www.elimparcial.com/tijuana/tijuana/En-Baja-Californ...

"IN ONE DAY, ACTIVE COVID-19 CASES INCREASE 17%
Active coronavirus patients in Baja California, as they went from 889 to 1036, of which 469 are from Mexicali, 293 from Tijuana, 176 from Ensenada, 27 from Rosarito, 15 from San Felipe, 21 from San Quintín and 35 from Tecate .

Alonso Pérez Rico warned that if cases increase in Tijuana, the State could go back from yellow to orange at the epidemiological traffic light of Covid-19.

Regarding active patients, he commented that 863 are recovering at home, 98 in hospitals and 75 are intubated.

Of these, 66 are not vaccinated against SARS-CoV-2 and seven are, but they suffer from chronic degenerative diseases."

Alm - 9-26-2021 at 05:19 PM

A turn for the worse in BC: "the State could go back from yellow to orange "

Yes, there are spikes on the BC daily cases curve. North of the border in CA too - 900 cases one day and 30,000 another. Given the heavily trafficked border there must be a connection, both ways. New cases per capita in BC and BCS don't differ much now that BCS came down off the peak.

John Harper - 9-28-2021 at 06:51 PM

Latest survey, by Kaiser. Hispanic vaccination rates and black vaccination rates have pretty much tied whites. The only group showing low vaccination rates are............Republicans.

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/dashboard/kff-covid...

If you select different tabs, you'll also find 23% of Republicans never intend to get vaccinated. Complete and absolute stupidity.

John

[Edited on 9-29-2021 by John Harper]

JZ - 9-28-2021 at 06:56 PM

Latest survey, by Kaiser. Hispanic vaccination rates and black vaccination rates have pretty much tied whites. The only group showing low vaccination rates are............Republicans.

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/dashboard/kff-covid...

John

[Edited on 9-29-2021 by John Harper]

Please address this. I'll hang up and listen.

https://www.blackenterprise.com/leader-of-black-lives-matter...

[Edited on 9-29-2021 by JZ]

John Harper - 9-28-2021 at 07:00 PM

Please address this. I'll hang up and listen.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/new-york-blm-leader-promises-...

Lame deflection as always. How about answering up for that PPP loan you got and never paid back? I'm listening.

John

JZ - 9-28-2021 at 07:09 PM

Lame deflection as always. How about answering up for that PPP loan you got and never paid back? I'm listening.

John

I actually got the company a 2nd PPP draw. Feels good man. Passed it on to all the employees. Brought 2 interns on full time.

Didn't hide in the basement sucking the gov tit telling ppl the end was near, and instead helped keep the economy chugging along!

I answered your question, so answer mine.

[Edited on 9-29-2021 by JZ]

ligui - 9-29-2021 at 06:01 AM

They take the money and still cry that the govt is controlling them.

Shouldn't have taken the money then.

Purdyd - 9-29-2021 at 08:45 AM

Quote:

Ok back to the topic. And the topic of vaccine mandates has been discussed more than a dozen times ITT by the thread starter himself. So, I don't want to hear any belly aching from him, ok?

If you've read my posts, you've seen me tell you many times this was coming from minorities. Well now it's here, and it's going put a lot of you in a very confused state, I think. And don't attack me. I'm just posting the news.

I’m not sure why you think anyone would be confused. There have been plenty of laws/mandates that have targeted minorities.

If you are trying to say that low vaccination rates of minorities are driving low overall vaccination rates that would be partially true but the largest demographic slice that is unvaccinated is white republicans.

https://www.voanews.com/a/covid-19-pandemic_unvaccinated-ame...

And of course blacks are only 12% or so of the total population.

Interestingly the native Americans have a very high rate of vaccinations.

Quote:

Despite obstacles, Native Americans have the nation’s highest COVID-19 vaccination rate

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-08-12/native...

A big difference seems to be a unified message from the community leaders.

Something that is missing from the Republican and black communities,

Quote:

Aiming to preserve their cultural heritage, nurses also put Native-language speakers ahead in the line. Tribal leaders got shots early to demonstrate that the vaccines were safe.

Nurses drew on credibility from their family ties as they targeted more people to vaccinate. “The patient-nurse relationship is better established because of that trust,” said one nurse, Samantha Allen.[\quote]

[Edited on 9-29-2021 by Purdyd]

[Edited on 9-29-2021 by Purdyd]

John Harper - 9-29-2021 at 09:49 AM

I answered your question, so answer mine.

Okay, the comments of one BLM "leader" hardly constitutes a survey, only one person's opinion, just like yours or mine. You can find one person out there who will say anything you wish. Irrelevant to the issue.

No basement in my house, and as I've told your dumb ass several times, I've been on campus full time since September 2020, not taking bi-weekly vacations and getting government bailouts.

John

SFandH - 9-29-2021 at 10:06 AM

Good News! Better late than never.

YouTube bans false vaccine claims

"YouTube is wiping vaccine misinformation and conspiracy theories from its popular video-sharing platform."

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/youtube-bans-false-vacci...

mtgoat666 - 9-29-2021 at 10:20 AM

Good News! Better late than never.

YouTube bans false vaccine claims

"YouTube is wiping vaccine misinformation and conspiracy theories from its popular video-sharing platform."

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/youtube-bans-false-vacci...

Why doesn’t bajanomad wipe covid misinformation from this forum? :light:

Oldkid and shorty melonhead mcjizzy would be apoplectic :lol:

Bajaboy - 9-29-2021 at 10:45 AM

I read this earlier today and immediately wondered how some Nomads will get their news now :lol:

JZ - 9-29-2021 at 11:02 AM

No basement in my house, and as I've told your dumb ass several times, I've been on campus full time since September 2020

John

I wasn't talking about you.

mtgoat666 - 9-29-2021 at 08:13 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Bajaboy

I read this earlier today and immediately wondered how some Nomads will get their news now :lol:

Now that lies and misinformation are being removed, 90% of oldkid’s links don’t work :lol:

[Edited on 9-30-2021 by mtgoat666]

SFandH - 9-30-2021 at 09:31 AM

30 Sep 2021 - Active Cases in Hospital

100% increase in BC, BCS holding steady.

Data Sources:

BC - Comisión Estatal de Servicios Públicos de Tijuana -
https://m.facebook.com/CesptOficial/

BCS - https://coronavirus.bcs.gob.mx/casos-covid-19/

"active cases are those that are two weeks old and can be contagious today. This is known by laboratory tests of people who go to hospitals."

https://coronavirus.gob.mx/2020/04/30/conferencia-30-de-abri...

Note: There's a break in the data between fall 2020 and spring 2021. That's when I'm on the beach on Bahia Concepcion.

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[Edited on 9-30-2021 by SFandH]

ligui - 9-30-2021 at 09:36 AM

Great to see the numbers going down in loreto. Friends there say everyone that is able to get the shot has very doing so.

They must not be listening to the kid.

SFandH - 9-30-2021 at 11:22 AM

When comparing BC to BCS, don't forget the population difference, 3.3 million to 0.76 million respectively. On a per-capita basis, the number of current active cases in the two states is essentially the same. (see above)

[Edited on 9-30-2021 by SFandH]

Alm - 9-30-2021 at 06:57 PM

Why doesn’t bajanomad wipe covid misinformation from this forum? :light:

There is no statistics on risk of hospitalization and death of people who - don't know how to put it - don't believe in the virus.

However, there is plenty of data on unvaccinated people - they are 24 times more likely to get hospitalized and 11 times more likely to die. So there is a chance that they will be wiped out the natural way. Sadly, they will take many others with them.

pauldavidmena - 10-1-2021 at 05:04 AM

It's definitely good news for those of us with an interest in following the science. Sadly my youngest son is an anti-vaxxer who considers such intervention censorship and can't be convinced otherwise. Inevitably he contracted Covid and was pretty sick for about 2 and a half weeks. Fortunately he's only 30 and in good health otherwise, so he's back at work in San Antonio, TX, and so far hasn't shown any secondary symptoms.

John Harper - 10-1-2021 at 05:54 AM

Quote: Originally posted by pauldavidmena

Not even a new appreciation for vaccinations? Sad, if true.

John

pauldavidmena - 10-1-2021 at 07:01 AM

Quote: Originally posted by pauldavidmena

Not even a new appreciation for vaccinations? Sad, if true.

John

Last we talked, he said he "developed immunity the hard way". When I told him he had a much easier option, he basically just grumbled. His girlfriend is an Air Force JAG and was vaccinated by mandate. She had a bad reaction to the second shot, but nothing like what my son experienced. She also didn't end up getting infected by my son. It's too soon to know if he regrets his decision and/or would ever admit to having been wrong.

John Harper - 10-1-2021 at 08:01 AM

Quote: Originally posted by pauldavidmena

It's too soon to know if he regrets his decision and/or would ever admit to having been wrong.

Seems a trait far too common today. Hopefully with age comes wisdom. Good luck and glad to know your son is on the path to health again.

John

JZ - 10-1-2021 at 12:26 PM

How can anyone take the CDC seriously when they can't even recognize the biological differences between a man and a woman?

"The CDC health advisory strongly recommends COVID-19 vaccination either before or during pregnancy because the benefits of vaccination for both pregnant persons and their fetus or infant outweigh known or potential risks. Additionally, the advisory calls on health departments and clinicians to educate pregnant people on the benefits of vaccination and the safety of recommended vaccines.

According to CDC data, only 31 percent of pregnant people have been vaccinated against COVID-19 and vaccination rates vary markedly by race and ethnicity. Vaccination coverage is highest among Asian people who are pregnant (45.7 percent), but lower among Hispanic or Latino pregnant people (25 percent), and lowest among Black pregnant people (15.6 percent)."

John Harper - 10-1-2021 at 01:12 PM

Quote: Originally posted by lencho

Hopefully with age comes wisdom.

As exemplified in this here group of "mature" folks? :lol:

I did qualify my statement with "Hopefully."

John

The Numbers are Going the Wrong Way

SFandH - 10-1-2021 at 03:40 PM

And winter is coming.

"Again, active cases of Covid-19 increase in Baja California"

https://www.elimparcial.com/tijuana/tijuana/De-nuevo-aumenta...

Alm - 10-1-2021 at 06:33 PM

Active cases (and deaths) are lagging behind the changes in daily cases.

Daily cases in BC dropped briefly in mid-September, and went up again. There is a lot of fluctuation/noise: https://datos.covid-19.conacyt.mx/ - click on BC, see the right curve, move the left slider to the left.

I wouldn't focus on day to day changes, but it sure doesn't look like it's been dropping for the last 4 weeks.

surabi - 10-2-2021 at 12:39 AM

How can anyone take the CDC seriously when they can't even recognize the biological differences between a man and a woman?

Your ignorance is showing. Most people are unaware of this, but approximately one in 2000 babies (so not something extremely rare) are born intersex - what used to be referred to as hermaphrodites. They have organs of both sexes, in any one of a myriad of variations. They might have external organs of one sex, and internal organs of the other. The external organs may be ambiguous, neither fully female nor fully male. They may have both a uterus and testes. And so on.

In the past, the way parents were told by doctors to deal with this was to choose which sex the child would be raised as, then dress them as a boy or girl and treat them as that. These babies underwent many operations and suffered a lot of pain to make them appear externally as more like the chosen sex. The children this happened to, as one might expect, had serious emotional issues as they grew up and sexual issues as adults, because they are in fact both sexes and may have been raised as a girl, but think and feel like a boy or vice versa, or feel like both, which in fact they are. Most never were even told about how they actually came into this world, and couldn't figure out why they felt so messed up. Some only discovered it as teens or adults, as when those raised as girls never got a period, because in fact they had no ovaries and no uterus. In a case like that, they may still not know how they were born, just that they are missing those organs. If they started to develop a deep voice and broad shoulders in puberty, it would be more obvious.

The old recommendation to pretend these babies were either a boy or a girl has fallen out of favor, although of course it still practiced by some. But many parents have chosen to allow these children to be what they are- both sexes. It's not without its problems, but their parents are open about it all with them from the time they are young, explaining in age-appropriate ways, just as parents answer "normal" children's questions about sex, and are supportive and caring, connecting with other families dealing with this, so the kids don't feel like freaks- that there are others out there just like them.

And in fact the majority of these people who were not forced into being something they were not, are very emotionally balanced, accepting of their lot in life, form loving, sexually and emotionally satisfying relationships and are extremely grateful that their parents did not try to change them.

So yes, a person who may externally appear to be male, or somewhat androgenous, may in fact have a uterus, ovaries and a vagina and be able to get pregnant.

Like many things in life which used to be hidden and not talked about, like being gay or lesbian, people are now being open about these things, being afforded the respect all humans deserve, and yes, the language changes to reflect this.

[Edited on 10-2-2021 by surabi]

[Edited on 10-2-2021 by surabi]

John Harper - 10-2-2021 at 06:04 AM

Excellent response, surabi!

John

SFandH - 10-2-2021 at 06:49 AM

Excellent response, surabi!

John

Yes, I googled "intersex" and read for a while, learned a lot. Interesting.

Watched some videos too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbOgi0bGy7g

[Edited on 10-2-2021 by SFandH]

Barry A. - 10-2-2021 at 07:19 AM

Surabi-----------I had NO IDEA that this happened! Why in the world is this not general knowledge????? Incredible!!! Thanks for helping to spread the word about something so important as this.

SFandH - 10-2-2021 at 08:34 AM

BC Moves from Yellow to Orange

"BC.- Tijuana Baja California is the only state in the country currently is in orange of the epidemiological light of the Covid-19 , reported the Ministry of Health .

This is due to the increase in active patients, since between Thursday and Friday they went from 1,577 to 1,745 , that is, an increase of 11% was registered .

According to the health authorities, the orange color means the reduction of community mobility, operation of economic and social activities to 50%."

https://www.elimparcial.com/tijuana/tijuana/Baja-California-...

JZ - 10-2-2021 at 09:06 AM

Quote: Originally posted by surabi

Many intersex variations result in infertility. It may be possible for some intersex to have the required parts to carry a baby, but it seems to be very rare. Certainly, not close to the 1 in 2000 you led with.

[Edited on 10-2-2021 by JZ]

Alm - 10-2-2021 at 11:45 AM

BC Moves from Yellow to Orange

"BC.- Tijuana Baja California is the only state in the country currently is in orange of the epidemiological light of the Covid-19 , reported the Ministry of Health .

I wonder why.

BC - 440 active cases per million
CDMX - 1,240 per million
Queretaro - 5,000 per million

surabi - 10-2-2021 at 12:41 PM

Your reading comprehension is poor. I said approx. 1 in 2000 babies are born intersex- having genital characteristics of both sexes. I didn't say 1 in 2000 babies are born to intersex people.

https://isna.org/faq/frequency/

Many heterosexuals are also infertile. An intersex individual with a uterus could use the same methods that those infertile people use to become pregnant.

[Edited on 10-2-2021 by surabi]

surabi - 10-2-2021 at 01:09 PM

Excellent response, surabi!

John

Yes, I googled "intersex" and read for a while, learned a lot. Interesting.

Watched some videos too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbOgi0bGy7g

[Edited on 10-2-2021 by SFandH]

Yes, I had no idea, either. I learned about this because I ran across a fascinating documentary on this ( you know how you are watching something and all these other videos pop up, it looks intriguing, so you check it out)

Not only was it a fascinating, enlightening subject, it was just a really well done documentary, regardlesss of the subject matter. They found such interesting people to interview.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QVHq8wb19jo

And this one:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=czbQRjdGvYQ

[Edited on 10-2-2021 by surabi]

SFandH - 10-2-2021 at 01:58 PM

I wonder why.

BC - 440 active cases per million
CDMX - 1,240 per million
Queretaro - 5,000 per million

The move must be based upon the rate of change in infections. The New York Times data, which are gotten from Johns Hopkins University, show that in the past 14 days the change in the "cases, daily average per 100,000" is:

Baja California: +71%
Mexico City: -31%
Queretaro: -35%

There is an outbreak occurring in BC.

The question is, why the outbreak?

Baja California and Chihuahua are the only states where per-capita cases are increasing. Chihuahua +21%. The country as a whole is -28% over the past 14 days.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/mexico-covid-...

You might hit a paywall.

[Edited on 10-2-2021 by SFandH]

BajaNomad - 10-3-2021 at 12:12 AM

You might hit a paywall.

Just delete cookies for whatever site has a paywall after xx# of visits (on a page that's otherwise viewable, etc). It'll start the count over. With some of them, if you just block cookies for that site going forward... it'll work indefinitely. fwiw

mjs - 10-3-2021 at 07:52 AM

https://news.yale.edu/2021/10/01/unvaccinated-reinfection-sa...

For unvaccinated, reinfection by SARS-CoV-2 is likely, study finds
By Michael Greenwood
October 1, 2021

Throughout the COVID-19 pandemic, there has been much uncertainty about how long immunity lasts after an unvaccinated person is infected with SARS-CoV-2.

Now a team of scientists led by faculty at Yale School of Public Health and the University of North Carolina at Charlotte have an answer: Strong protection following natural infection is short-lived.

“Reinfection can reasonably happen in three months or less,” said Jeffrey Townsend, the Elihu Professor of Biostatistics at the Yale School of Public Health and the study’s lead author. “Therefore, those who have been naturally infected should get vaccinated. Previous infection alone can offer very little long-term protection against subsequent infections.”

The study, published in the journal The Lancet Microbe, is the first to determine the likelihood of reinfection following natural infection and without vaccination.

Townsend and his team analyzed known reinfection and immunological data from the close viral relatives of SARS-CoV-2 that cause “common colds,” along with immunological data from SARS-CoV-1 and Middle East Respiratory Syndrome. Leveraging evolutionary principles, the team was able to model the risk of COVID-19 reinfection over time.

Reinfections can, and have, happened even shortly after recovery, the researchers said. And they will become increasingly common as immunity wanes and new SARS-CoV-2 variants arise.

Barry A. - 10-3-2021 at 09:09 AM

My Covid experience (83 years old)--------------My wife and I each had a confirmed case of Covid-19 eleven months ago that was of med. intensity and lasted about 2 weeks. Since recovering we both get tested for "natural anti-bodies" every 2 to 3 months, and so far we test positive for Covid "anti-bodies" each time including a month ago. We both are mild Covid intermittent "long timers" which is annoying but not that serious. I did have a recurrence of classic Covid symptoms this last August but the Doctor's could not determine if it was the "Delta-Variant", but it was long lasting (5 weeks) and uncomfortable and again, annoying. My wife (77) has had no recurrence, and is no longer a "long timer". We both have isolated ourselves from others during this time, following protocols. Neither of us are vaccinated against Covid-19. Should we lose our "anti-bodies" I will get vaccinated. We are concerned that these Covid vaccines are new, experimental, and mNRA type. I have had all the regular vaccines thru the years, and get my yearly flu shot. I daily monitor the Covid news available, as does my wife.

Barry

mjs - 10-3-2021 at 09:29 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Barry A.

My Covid experience (83 years old)--------------My wife and I each had a confirmed case of Covid-19 eleven months ago that was of med. intensity and lasted about 2 weeks. Since recovering we both get tested for "natural anti-bodies" every 2 to 3 months, and so far we test positive for Covid "anti-bodies" each time including a month ago. We both are mild Covid intermittent "long timers" which is annoying but not that serious. I did have a recurrence of classic Covid symptoms this last August but the Doctor's could not determine if it was the "Delta-Variant", but it was long lasting (5 weeks) and uncomfortable and again, annoying. My wife (77) has had no recurrence, and is no longer a "long timer". We both have isolated ourselves from others during this time, following protocols. Neither of us are vaccinated against Covid-19. Should we lose our "anti-bodies" I will get vaccinated. We are concerned that these Covid vaccines are new, experimental, and mNRA type. I have had all the regular vaccines thru the years, and get my yearly flu shot. I daily monitor the Covid news available, as does my wife.

Barry

Just for clarification, the J&J vaccine is a traditional vaccine. Only the Pfizer and Moderna are mRNA.

Skipjack Joe - 10-3-2021 at 10:29 AM

I can't find the article but I recently read that the concerns about the long lasting effects of the vaccines are misunderstood and incorrect. They usually conclude that reinfection is likely to occur because the antibody start to drop after 3 months. But as I understand it during the period after vaccination the body develops an ability to recognize and respond much more agressively and effectively after vaccination. The immune system is 'pumped up' afterwards. It described the organelles and changes that occur at the cellular level but I can't remember it all.

That may explain why in Israel, for example, the case numbers have gone up but the death rate has remained unchanged. The bottom line is that after 2 jabs we are far more protected than we seem to think we are.

Purdyd - 10-3-2021 at 10:46 AM

Quote:

The timeframe for reinfection is fundamental to numerous aspects of public health decision making. As the COVID-19 pandemic continues, reinfection is likely to become increasingly common. Maintaining public health measures that curb transmission—including among individuals who were previously infected with SARS-CoV-2—coupled with persistent efforts to accelerate vaccination worldwide is critical to the prevention of COVID-19 morbidity and mortality.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5247(21)00219-6/fulltext

So immunity natural or through vaccine will decline over time.

The paper doesn’t come out and say you should get immunized if you’ve recovered but it is implied. So yes the article is a bit misleading.

The paper used data from other sars viruses to fill in the long term affects.

And yes, there are other things your body does besides antibodies that will have longer lasting positive impacts for symptoms.

Barry A. - 10-3-2021 at 11:04 AM

Quote: Originally posted by mjs

Quote: Originally posted by Barry A.

Just for clarification, the J&J vaccine is a traditional vaccine. Only the Pfizer and Moderna are mRNA.

I had missed that, and thankyou very much for that clarification. I will research that more, but I am really glad to hear that.

Alm - 10-3-2021 at 12:52 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaNomad

You might hit a paywall.

Didn't work for me. Some paywalls may allow a few free articles per month - Wall Street Journal used to, plus one-two articles via VPN. But not this one.

Alm - 10-3-2021 at 01:16 PM

The bottom line is that after 2 jabs we are far more protected than we seem to think we are.

... and after 3 shots we are more protected than after 2. The effect is more pronounced in immunocompromised people. Elderly very likely fall into this category, all of them. People after 65 are eligible, with or without comorbidity. Also, anybody with blood disorder - doesn't have to be leukemia, diabetes would suffice.

[Edited on 10-3-2021 by Alm]

SFandH - 10-3-2021 at 04:01 PM

New data from NY Times. I've cropped the list of states to show BC and BCS. I couldn't get a screen capture for the entire list of states.

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"About the data
Data for Mexico comes from the Center for Systems Science and Engineering at Johns Hopkins University. Population data from the National Institute of Statistics, Geography and Informatics.

The Times has identified reporting anomalies or methodology changes in the data.

More about reporting anomalies or changes
Confirmed cases and deaths, which are widely considered to be an undercount of the true toll, are counts of individuals whose coronavirus infections were confirmed by a molecular laboratory test. Probable cases and deaths count individuals who meet criteria for other types of testing, symptoms and exposure, as developed by national and local governments.

Governments often revise data or report a single-day large increase in cases or deaths from unspecified days without historical revisions, which can cause an irregular pattern in the daily reported figures. The Times is excluding these anomalies from seven-day averages when possible."

Alm - 10-3-2021 at 04:18 PM

New data from NY Times. I've cropped the list of states to show BC and BCS.

29% increase nation-wide?

SFandH - 10-3-2021 at 05:32 PM

New data from NY Times. I've cropped the list of states to show BC and BCS.

29% increase nation-wide?

I think so. There is also an entry for Mexico City (+22%) and the State of Mexico (+37%).

Quite a change from the last time I looked.

?????

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/mexico-covid-...

[Edited on 10-4-2021 by SFandH]

surabi - 10-3-2021 at 09:48 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Barry A.

We are concerned that these Covid vaccines are new, experimental, and mNRA type.

Barry

Here is a short, straightforward presentation of the history of mRNA research that may set your mind at ease. It's a myth bandied about that this is "experimental" science that was rushed into development.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PuDUHbmEl7E

[Edited on 10-4-2021 by surabi]

[Edited on 10-4-2021 by surabi]

Some News

SFandH - 10-4-2021 at 09:53 AM

Mexicali, Tijuana, and Ensenada have received vaccine shipments. Starting this morning they are offering the first dose of the AstraZeneca vaccine. Prior to today, they were giving only second doses.

Alm - 10-4-2021 at 10:23 AM

I still don't see 29% increase nation-wide in average daily cases for the last 14 days, compared to Sept 4-18: https://datos.covid-19.conacyt.mx/

In BC there appears to be some increase.

SFandH - 10-4-2021 at 11:02 AM

I still don't see 29% increase nation-wide in average daily cases for the last 14 days, compared to Sept 4-18: https://datos.covid-19.conacyt.mx/

In BC there appears to be some increase.

Today's NYTimes data is more in line with what it was on Saturday, and your data. Yesterday's big change for the worse from Saturday's might be an anomaly. The Times mentions data reporting anomalies on its Mexico data page.

SFandH - 10-8-2021 at 08:39 AM

08 Oct 2021 - Active Cases in Hospital

Data Sources:

BC - Comisión Estatal de Servicios Públicos de Tijuana -
https://m.facebook.com/CesptOficial/

BCS - https://coronavirus.bcs.gob.mx/casos-covid-19/

"active cases are those that are two weeks old and can be contagious today. This is known by laboratory tests of people who go to hospitals."

https://coronavirus.gob.mx/2020/04/30/conferencia-30-de-abri...

Note: There's a break in the data between fall 2020 and spring 2021. That's when I'm on the beach on Bahia Concepcion.

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Skipjack Joe - 10-18-2021 at 05:33 AM

A fully vaccinated Colin Powell died of Covid complications today. He was 84.

That's not very reassuring news.

Lee - 10-18-2021 at 06:59 AM

A fully vaccinated Colin Powell died of Covid complications today. He was 84.

That's not very reassuring news.

84 is old. Complications were prob pre-existing.

No assurances or guarantees. Don’t worry be happy.

mtgoat666 - 10-18-2021 at 07:09 AM

A fully vaccinated Colin Powell died of Covid complications today. He was 84.

That's not very reassuring news.

84 is old. Complications were prob pre-existing.

No assurances or guarantees. Don’t worry be happy.

A lot of nomads are about Colin Powell’s age….

Skipjack Joe - 10-18-2021 at 08:45 AM

A fully vaccinated Colin Powell died of Covid complications today. He was 84.

That's not very reassuring news.

84 is old. Complications were prob pre-existing.

No assurances or guarantees. Don’t worry be happy.

A lot of nomads are about Colin Powell’s age….

It turns out he also had cancer and it was a form that suppressed his immune system. So did he die of cancer or covid? Probably of both.

mtgoat666 - 11-1-2021 at 05:35 PM

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-cases.h...

Interesting that USA is re-opening USA border to non-essential travelers.,... as USA is now leading amongst list of covid-problem nations.
Mexico and Canada and western europe are licking usa a$$

misinfo campaign has succeeded, usa is #1

Skipjack Joe - 11-2-2021 at 12:49 AM

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-cases.h...

Interesting that USA is re-opening USA border to non-essential travelers.,... as USA is now leading amongst list of covid-problem nations.
/rquote]

Maybe that's why Biden's numbers are plummeting.

Ateo - 11-2-2021 at 07:15 AM

Our country IS traveling down a bad path. I think we can all agree on that!

JDCanuck - 11-2-2021 at 07:45 AM

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-cases.h...

Interesting that USA is re-opening USA border to non-essential travelers.,... as USA is now leading amongst list of covid-problem nations.
Mexico and Canada and western europe are licking usa a$$

misinfo campaign has succeeded, usa is #1

Quite a big shift in effectiveness of vaccines in our area in the past 2 months. Over 90% vaccinated and we are now showing our highest case fatality rates ever, deaths more than doubled in just the past two months, total hospitalized cases surging overall and hitting new all time highs, especially in ICU's. Very discouraging and the second dose average roll out was only 4 months ago. Where do we go from here?

Alm - 11-2-2021 at 07:50 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck

I wonder where in Canada over 90% are fully vaccinated.

Nation-wide fully vaccinated are ~75% of of total population. 90% could be the rate among "eligible" but this definition is becoming obsolete as statistics shows that children under 12 are catching the virus and spreading it same easy as any other unvaccinated person. In fact, for the last 4 weeks among children <12 there have been more cases per 100,000 people than among 20-29 aged, 30-39 or any other age group. Not saying that children should all be vaccinated, I'm not a doctor, but they are spreading the virus. Something needs to be done with those packed classes in schools and kindergartens.

This last wave has got the name, - epidemic of unvaccinated.
Not fully vaccinated represent 25% of population but they are currently the majority of new cases, new hospitalizations and deaths.

Not fully vaccinated are 10-11 times more likely to die and 25-30 times more likely to be hospitalized.

There is also waning of the vaccine efficacy with time and the complacency factor. People who got their 2nd dose often think that they are "saved" and can live as if nothing happened.

[Edited on 11-3-2021 by Alm]

JDCanuck - 11-3-2021 at 12:02 PM

Yes Alm, It's over 90% of those eligible over 12 yrs old now vaccinated fully, with majority of the 2nd doses completed July 1st, or just 4 months ago. At that time we were boasting we had among the highest vaccination rates globally. We had 41 deaths in 800000 population, now just a couple months after hitting new highs in vaccinations we have a tremendous surge in hospitalizations, ICU's and especially deaths attributed to Covid. Deaths just 2 months later have gone from stable at 41 to 91.
I am going to postulate that the fully vaccinated are showing next to no symptoms and despite mandated mask wearing increases are unknowingly spreading the disease faster than ever before as they feel fully protected both by vaccinations and wearing masks far more consistently. Just my opinion, but it's really hard to blame this biggest surge in cases ever on a decreasing number of unvaccinated kids.
In addition, despite preventing not fully vaccinated visitors or staff to enter health facilities for some time now, we are seeing an increasing number of outbreaks in health care facilities where the most at risk reside.

[Edited on 11-3-2021 by JDCanuck]

Skipjack Joe - 11-3-2021 at 12:26 PM

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JDCanuck - 11-3-2021 at 02:08 PM

Hi Skipjack: If you hit the tab for Vancouver island (my health region) you will see the recent data for the area I am talking about.

https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/a6f23959a8b14bfa989...

I am reporting on what we see in our health region, one that until a couple months ago was being held up as an example of how great we were doing.
Sadly, no longer as positive as it was under a lower vaccination rate or lower mandates on mask wearing or access in general to non vaccinated persons. I admit it's as surprising to me as anyone else.

Alm - 11-3-2021 at 06:49 PM

In terms of cases per capita Vancouver Island used to be much better than the mainland Vancouver. It is still a little better. Map in the link shows both. The darker - the more cases per 100,000. Vancouver and Vancouver Island.

Consider that other than Victoria city, there is a low population density on the island, you are rarely in close proximity to people so with the same cases per capita your chances on the island are better.

Aboriginals and hillbillies to the North of the greater Vancouver are a different story. It's all dark on the map and in the heads too. In the early days of vaccination nurses complained that aboriginals were refusing to be vaccinated, they didn't believe in the virus and vaccine, thinking this was another ploy of the paleface enemies. No kidding. With their lifestyle - gatherings, pow-wow, big families - it has spread like a forest fire. Older guys eventually came to their senses but young braves are hard to convince.

JDCanuck - 11-5-2021 at 02:39 PM

Hi Alm: Agreed on almost all of that, altho a bit bluntly expressed. As a hospital worker in a highly indigenous area, I observed the locals had a far higher community contact culture, an elder in hospital would have 5-6 visitors pretty much all day long, even tho the "rules" had very short visiting hours and maximum of 2 people visiting at a time. Would be extremely hard to get people raised in that kind of culture to just stop visiting an elder in a health care setting, unlike our general willingness to leave them alone when ill and leave it to the government to provide social and physical care.
I often wondered what in the long run was healthier, isolation or as much social contact as possible in those waning weeks and months of a life. Depends i guess on how you measure a healthy life.

Alm - 11-16-2021 at 12:16 AM

In anticipation of a new report on BC/BCS... Looking at daily cases - it doesn't look good: https://datos.covid-19.conacyt.mx/.
Move the left slider under the graph all the way to the left to see the full picture.

BC cases have been climbing throughout October. It's not dropping yet. Last 2 weeks - up to Nov 15 - are usually understated, this is grey area, it's often adjusted upwards later on. Takes time to develop symptoms, process the tests and add results to databases.

BCS cases have been dropping throughout October but now are actually rising. Last 2 weeks are usually understated - and there is a notable rise already.

Currently cases per capita in BC and BCS are about the same.

mtgoat666 - 11-27-2021 at 11:07 AM

Omicron…

John Harper - 11-27-2021 at 11:18 AM

Omicron…

While nitwits are worried about mRNA developed vaccines, the virus is doing it's own genetic adaptations, without silly political debate and mindless disinformation.

John

BajaMama - 11-27-2021 at 12:15 PM