BajaNomad

China's BYD launches hybrid pickup in Mexico

BajaNomad - 5-14-2024 at 03:48 PM

MEXICO CITY, May 14 (Reuters) - Chinese automaker BYD unveiled the Shark, a mid-size hybrid-electric pickup truck, in Mexico on Tuesday... The Shark strengthens BYD's foothold in the North American market with a vehicle aimed directly at incumbents Ford, General Motors, and Toyota.

It is for now only available in Mexico, executives said, and is the first time the world's largest electric-vehicle (EV) maker has launched a new product outside its home country. BYD chose Mexico because of the rapid growth in demand for pickup trucks in the country, Chief of Americas Stella Li said.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/chinas...

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JZ - 5-14-2024 at 04:57 PM

Looks pretty good. I didn't see any specs in the article. Any idea on range and cost?

Here you go JZ

AKgringo - 5-14-2024 at 05:02 PM

BYD's Shark will go head-to-head in Mexico with compact and medium-sized trucks such as the Toyota Tacoma and Ford Ranger. It is, however, costlier than most makes of both of the competing vehicles with a starting price of 899,980 pesos ($53,442.68) for the Shark GL and 969,800 pesos ($57,588.73) for the premium Shark GS.
The Shark can travel up to 100 km (62 miles) in EV mode before needing to be recharged, BYD said, and up to 840 km using both electric and combustion methods.
The pickup consumes 7.5 liters of fuel per 100 km (31.4 mpg) traveled, the brochure detailed.

AKgringo - 5-14-2024 at 06:07 PM

Here is a link to another review;
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/autos-trucks/2024-byd-shark-...

JDCanuck - 5-14-2024 at 06:24 PM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
BYD's Shark will go head-to-head in Mexico with compact and medium-sized trucks such as the Toyota Tacoma and Ford Ranger. It is, however, costlier than most makes of both of the competing vehicles with a starting price of 899,980 pesos ($53,442.68) for the Shark GL and 969,800 pesos ($57,588.73) for the premium Shark GS.
The Shark can travel up to 100 km (62 miles) in EV mode before needing to be recharged, BYD said, and up to 840 km using both electric and combustion methods.
The pickup consumes 7.5 liters of fuel per 100 km (31.4 mpg) traveled, the brochure detailed.


Thanks AKGringo. Does look like a useable vehicle for Baja. BYD is being kept out of the US and Canada by very high tariffs, so Mexico may be its lone NA market.

Specs here are pretty impressive:
https://insideevs.com/news/719677/byd-shark-phev-will-it-com...

[Edited on 5-15-2024 by JDCanuck]

AKgringo - 5-14-2024 at 06:37 PM

The other review contained the information I wanted. It is all wheel drive powered by two electric motors, and has some sort of traction control for different driving conditions.

Besides that, I like the way it looks!

[Edited on 5-15-2024 by AKgringo]

JZ - 5-14-2024 at 06:44 PM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
BYD's Shark will go head-to-head in Mexico with compact and medium-sized trucks such as the Toyota Tacoma and Ford Ranger. It is, however, costlier than most makes of both of the competing vehicles with a starting price of 899,980 pesos ($53,442.68) for the Shark GL and 969,800 pesos ($57,588.73) for the premium Shark GS.
The Shark can travel up to 100 km (62 miles) in EV mode before needing to be recharged, BYD said, and up to 840 km using both electric and combustion methods.
The pickup consumes 7.5 liters of fuel per 100 km (31.4 mpg) traveled, the brochure detailed.


Not as cheap as I was expecting/hoping. That will limit sales.



JDCanuck - 5-14-2024 at 06:51 PM

The pictures I came across show a V2L capability, but pretty sure it won't have any V2H capability like other larger battery BYD models.

JDCanuck - 5-14-2024 at 06:55 PM

Plug-in Hybrids are getting big up here in Canada, while the full electrics are getting less popular. Our Leaf has very limited range and is really only practical as long as we stay on the Vancouver Island or short trips to the mainland as range is only 364km. Combined with our excess solar in Baja, this BYD would have been extremely desirable.

mtgoat666 - 5-14-2024 at 07:07 PM

They make an suv?
I guess i dont understand what little pickups do. Their beds are small and dont hold much. Why not get an suv and a utility trailer for the occasional hauling?

SFandH - 5-14-2024 at 08:18 PM

BYD sells several models in Mexico.

https://www.byd.com/mx

I saw a few MGs this past winter in BCS. Typically styled new cars with the classic MG badge. A Chinese carmaker bought the brand.

Lee - 5-14-2024 at 08:23 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
They make an suv?
I guess i dont understand what little pickups do. Their beds are small and dont hold much. Why not get an suv and a utility trailer for the occasional hauling?


Short bed really isn’t a pickup. :light:

Tioloco - 5-14-2024 at 09:41 PM

Looks like a waste of time and resources. CFE is expensive already. Cant imagine this getting much traction. Will have to "circle back" to this later I suppose. A very complicated drive system for a shade tree mechanic environment.

surabi - 5-15-2024 at 08:01 PM

CFE isn't expensive unless you're a heavy consumer of electricity and go into the DAC rate. If you aren't, it's ridiculously cheap. I've never had a CFE bill over about the equivalent of $10/month.

Tioloco - 5-15-2024 at 08:16 PM

Quote: Originally posted by surabi  
CFE isn't expensive unless you're a heavy consumer of electricity and go into the DAC rate. If you aren't, it's ridiculously cheap. I've never had a CFE bill over about the equivalent of $10/month.


Try living with a refrigerator, stove, washer, dryer, water heater, couple of A/C units, tools in the garage, TV's, etc...

$10/ month aint realistic if you arent "house camping" but... to each their own.

surabi - 5-15-2024 at 08:59 PM

I can assure you I'm not "house camping" and $10/ month is quite realistic, because that is what my bills are. My water heater and stove run on propane, as do the majority of those appliances in Mexico. Of course I have a refrigerator and a washing machine and small kitchen appliances and a water pump.

I don't need a dryer because I prefer clothes dried on a line in the fresh air and sunshine. I don't need nor want AC- I have fans in every room.

I don't watch TV but have a TV monitor and DVD player. I have power tools and industrial sewing machines.

Because CFE only subsidizes lower consumers' usage, those who can't live without AC, pressure pumps, may have an electric or hybrid vehicle, and other high electricity draws, will have high CFE bills and the people I know who have those things have solar power.

Also, many houses in Mexico are poorly wired, which can lead to higher than necessary electric bills.

[Edited on 5-16-2024 by surabi]

[Edited on 5-16-2024 by surabi]

JDCanuck - 5-16-2024 at 03:01 PM

If you are paying less than 2.00 pesos per kwh at your marginal use for CFE power you are under the average rates up here in Canada. And those rates keep increasing as the government increases the climate taxes they apply to penalize heavy residential users.


[Edited on 5-20-2024 by JDCanuck]

What happened?

AKgringo - 5-16-2024 at 03:34 PM

Did the BYD Shark get converted to a household appliance?

JDCanuck - 5-16-2024 at 04:13 PM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
Did the BYD Shark get converted to a household appliance?


BYD now has both external power supplies to run tools and appliances on new models(V2L) and on some other manufacturers' models like the Nissan Leaf bidirectional power chargers to supply a home in power outages similar to what the F150 Lightning developed. That second use (V2H) can be used as a battery backup to replace additional solar system batteries when combined with an off grid solar system as long as the vehicle is plugged in. This secondary use of EV's is an additional cost saver that was not available on previous models, assuming you have a solar system installed or want to use it as a short term power cost saver.
Explanations here:
https://insideevs.com/features/709000/bidirectional-charging...





[Edited on 5-16-2024 by JDCanuck]

JDCanuck - 5-16-2024 at 04:41 PM

The additional advantages of EV's as portable power supplies or backup power for homes will be boosted significantly when the new solid state batteries are implemented. We paid 10,000 for an additional 12kwh of solar batteries to run an atmospheric water generator overnite when humidity was highest. EV's even with only V2L capability could provide that additional power if they used excess solar availablity during the day and then discharged to a water generator overnite. Typical EV's now have 36 kwh to 80 kwh batteries commonly. The F150 lightning had up to 130kwh battery storage

[Edited on 5-17-2024 by JDCanuck]

surabi - 5-19-2024 at 01:55 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  
If you are paying less than 200 pesos per kwh at your marginal use for CFE power you are under the average rates up here in Canada.


Was that a typo? It's not 200 pesos/KWH, the basic rate (up to 150KWH in the 2 month billing period) in my area is 1.02 pesos/KWH, and 1.247 for intermediate rate. I usually go a bit into the intermediate rate.

JDCanuck - 5-19-2024 at 05:38 PM

Quote: Originally posted by surab

Was that a typo? It's not 200 pesos/KWH, the basic rate (up to 150KWH in the 2 month billing period) in my area is 1.02 pesos/KWH, and 1.247 for intermediate rate. I usually go a bit into the intermediate rate. [/rquote  


Very correct, thanks, the decimal point was missing, should have been 2.00 per kwh which is what converts to our present rates up here. I always wondered how Mexico managed to sell power so cheaply, even when you hit higher tiers. Makes electric vehicles even more attractive in Mexico as the gasoline costs are pretty much the same

RFClark - 5-20-2024 at 07:01 PM

We’re looking at converting our RH drive mini truck to electric with 2 X 5hp electric motors and 16 100A Li Ion batteries 48V 20KW the batteries are about $3500 The system will tie in with our house to give us 40KW combined with no special boxes except a 48V AC APU plug and socket plus a 400A 2 pole circuit breaker. The project would cost about $12-$15K US with an EV range about 120KM

[Edited on 5-21-2024 by RFClark]

msteve1014 - 5-20-2024 at 07:23 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  
Quote: Originally posted by surab

Was that a typo? It's not 200 pesos/KWH, the basic rate (up to 150KWH in the 2 month billing period) in my area is 1.02 pesos/KWH, and 1.247 for intermediate rate. I usually go a bit into the intermediate rate. [/rquote  


Very correct, thanks, the decimal point was missing, should have been 2.00 per kwh which is what converts to our present rates up here. I always wondered how Mexico managed to sell power so cheaply, even when you hit higher tiers. Makes electric vehicles even more attractive in Mexico as the gasoline costs are pretty much the same
the cost is low because it is subsidized by the government. it is spelled out on the bill. the cost of production, the amount that they pay, and your end cost, the amount on your bimonthly bill. mine were also very, very, low. one refrigerator, a water pressure pump, a small tv, and many fans used one or two at a time. the americans with 3 refers, a big screen tv, ac in one or 2 rooms, and a water purifier pulling water out of the air, paid huge bills untill they added solar, and wind generators.