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CONFRONTATION BETWEEN "MAYIZA" AND "CHAPITOS" NORTH OF MULEGÉ (Punta Prieta and Jesús María): 13 DEAD...

mtgoat666 - 3-3-2025 at 12:05 AM

Article from facebook, El Regional del Valle (SQ area journalist)

STRONG CONFRONTATION BETWEEN "MAYIZA" AND "CHAPITOS" NORTH OF MULEGÉ (Punta Prieta and Jesús María): 13 DEAD AND WEAPONS SEIZED

FUERTE ENFRENTAMIENTO ENTRE "MAYIZA" Y "CHAPITOS" AL NORTE DE MULEGÉ: 13 MUERTOS Y ARMAMENTO ASEGURADO

Sedena y AEIC despliegan operativo tras enfrentamiento en Punta Prieta y Jesús María

Mulegé, BCS 1 de marzo del 2025.

Un violento enfrentamiento entre células delictivas vinculadas a "Mayiza" y "Los Chapitos" dejó un saldo de 13 muertos en la región norte de Baja California Sur. El choque armado ocurrió en las inmediaciones de Punta Prieta y Jesús María, al sur de San Quintín, donde las autoridades aseguraron un importante arsenal y vehículos con blindaje artesanal.

Mediante reporte de balacera, según los primeros informes, el conflicto comenzó alrededor de las 03:34 horas del viernes 28 de febrero, cuando testigos alertaron a las autoridades sobre intensas detonaciones de armas de fuego y un vehículo en llamas.

Ante la falta de respuesta inmediata por parte de las delegaciones de Punta Prieta y Jesús María, se solicitó apoyo a un mando del 40º Regimiento de Caballería, con base en Guerrero Negro, BCS. Al llegar al sitio, los militares localizaron los cuerpos de 13 personas vestidas con equipo táctico y chalecos antibalas con distintivos de "CH" y un emblema en forma de pedazo de pizza.

Asi mismo aseguraron arsenal y vehículos blindados, en el momento de la inspección, las fuerzas castrenses encontraron un Ford pick-up blanco abandonado, así como un Jeep blindado completamente calcinado. Además, aseguraron un importante número de armas y municiones, entre ellas:

- 21 armas largas,2 rifles Barret calibre 50, 9 armas cortas, 3 fusiles de asalto, 137 ponchallantas, 600 cartuchos de diversos calibres.

También en las inmediaciones del enfrentamiento se localizaron vehículos con blindaje artesanal, conocidos como "monstruos", con evidentes impactos de bala y rastros de sangre, lo que indica que pudo haber más víctimas o heridos que lograron escapar.

Operativo de seguridad en la zona por elementos de la Agencia Estatal de Investigación Criminal (AEIC) y de la Secretaría de la Defensa Nacional (SEDENA) continúan realizandose para garantizar la seguridad y prevenir nuevos enfrentamientos entre grupos delictivos.

Las autoridades no han revelado si hay detenidos, pero fuentes extraoficiales indican que la violencia en la región podría estar relacionada con disputas territoriales entre facciones del crimen organizado.

La Fiscalía General del Estado ya abrió una carpeta de investigación para esclarecer los hechos y determinar la identidad de los fallecidos. Se espera que en las próximas horas se brinde más información oficial sobre este violento episodio que ha conmocionado a la región.

Fuente: expresión BCS



[Edited on 3-3-2025 by mtgoat666]

[Edited on 3-3-2025 by mtgoat666]

Tioloco - 3-3-2025 at 06:42 AM

Seems as though that location would be between LA Bay turnoff and Guerrero Negro.

There is about 46 miles between Punta Prieta and Jesus Maria.
Santa Rosalillita is 1/2 way between them out on the Pacific coast.

Bad situation for sure.

AKgringo - 3-3-2025 at 08:08 AM

When I try to use the translator, the text disappears. Can anyone else post a translated version of the article?

JDCanuck - 3-3-2025 at 08:12 AM

CONFRONTATION BETWEEN "MAYIZA" AND "CHAPITOS" NORTH OF MULEG (Punta Prieta and Jesús María): 13 DEAD AND WEAPONS SEIZED


Article from facebook, El Regional del Valle (SQ area journalist)

STRONG CONFRONTATION BETWEEN "MAYIZA" AND "CHAPITOS" NORTH OF MULEG. (Punta Prieta and Jesús María): 13 DEAD AND WEAPONS SEIZED

SOURCE INFRENTMENT Twilight "MAYIZA" AND "CHAPITOS" TO MULEG NORTH: 13 DEAD AND ARMAMENTO ASEGURADO

Sedena and AEIC deploy operation after confrontation in Punta Prieta and Jesús María

Mulegé, BCS, March 1, 2025.

A violent confrontation between criminal cells linked to "Mayace" and "Los Chapitos" left 13 dead in the northern region of Baja California Sur. The armed crash occurred in the vicinity of Punta Prieta and Jesús María, south of San Quintín, where the authorities secured a large arsenal and vehicles with artisanal armor.

By shooting report, according to the first reports, the conflict began around 03:34 on Friday, February 28, when witnesses alerted the authorities to intense firearm detonations and a burning vehicle.

In the absence of an immediate response from the delegations of Punta Prieta and Jesús María, support was requested from a command of the 40th Cavalry Regiment, based in Guerrero Negro, BCS. Upon arriving at the site, the military located the bodies of 13 people dressed in tactical equipment and bulletproof vests with "CH" badges and an emblem in the form of a piece of pizza.

They also secured arsenal and armoured vehicles, at the time of the inspection, the military forces found an abandoned white Ford pick-up, as well as a completely burned armoured Jeep. In addition, they secured a significant number of weapons and ammunition, including:

- 21 long weapons, 2 rifles, 50-caliber Barret rifles, 9 short weapons, 3 assault rifles, 137 punchallantas, 600 cartridges of various calibers.

Also in the vicinity of the confrontation, vehicles with artisanal armor, known as "monsters," were located with obvious bullet impacts and traces of blood, indicating that there may have been more victims or injuries who managed to escape.

Security operation in the area by elements of the State Criminal Investigation Agency (AEIC) and the Ministry of National Defence (SEDENA) continue to be carried out to ensure security and prevent further clashes between criminal groups.

Authorities have not revealed whether there are detainees, but unofficial sources indicate that violence in the region could be related to territorial disputes between organized crime factions.

The Attorney General ' s Office has already opened an investigation kit to clarify the facts and determine the identity of the deceased. More official information on this violent episode that has shocked the region is expected to be provided in the next few hours.

wilderone - 3-3-2025 at 08:44 AM

Very disturbing, very sad to be happening in Baja California. Last month there were severed heads (3 incidents I think) found around Ensenada. Those are their tactics as well as take-overs of towns. This article has a broader perspective: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/culiacan-mexico-hundreds-dead-m... "could be related to territorial disputes..." ? Wake up and smell the coffee - if this isn't addressed soon, Baja California will go the way of Culiacan.

AKgringo - 3-3-2025 at 08:51 AM

Scary news indeed! I sure would like to know just where in that long stretch of road this occurred.

I saw no mention of Santa Rosalillita in the article, is it mentioned in other sources? That is one of last places I checked out on my drive-about in early January.

[Edited on 3-3-2025 by AKgringo]

Tioloco - 3-3-2025 at 08:58 AM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
Scary news indeed! I sure would like to know just where in that long stretch of road this occurred.

I saw no mention of Santa Rosalillito in the article, is it mentioned in other sources? That is one of last places I checked out on my drive-about in early January.


Just guessing here but the picture of the truck in the article looks like it is on a dirt road that has a lot of brush growth alongside it. Seems like it is close to the coast. Just a guess though.

mtgoat666 - 3-3-2025 at 09:23 AM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
Scary news indeed! I sure would like to know just where in that long stretch of road this occurred.

I saw no mention of Santa Rosalillita in the article, is it mentioned in other sources? That is one of last places I checked out on my drive-about in early January.

[Edited on 3-3-2025 by AKgringo]


The cartels are everywhere in baja. They now control the fishing, by dictating (with threat of force) that all fishermen must sell to cartel’s wholesalers (mostly applies to the high value species like scallops). The cartels also control demand/price by dictating what days fishermen can fish and deliver to wholesalers.
Cartels likely have their tentacles in all lucrative industries in Baja, so the cartel foot soldiers are likely everywhere.

cupcake - 3-3-2025 at 10:06 AM

This, and the recent murders and robberies of foreigners in Baja, together with the danger of dog attack (I've already been bitten in the last year), has induced me to cancel my planed ECR trekking in Baja. I will still go to Baja and mainland Mexico, but will be traveling as I have in the past, with an amount of gear that does not invite robbery and staying on the beaten tourist path, mostly in cities and towns.

Lee - 3-3-2025 at 11:09 AM

So far, none of the violence I read about between the lines affects me directly. I read that gringoes meet violence every now and then, but don't see it as a crisis.

Hers's a travel advisory. If you're driving 15 South, go around Culiacan. Have fun.

digcolnagos - 3-3-2025 at 11:22 AM

Someone got capped in Bahia Tortugas on Feb. 20, shot in the head and found near the pier. Third killing in a month:

https://hoybcs.com/reportan-el-tercer-asesinato-en-bahia-tor...

Thirteen bodies is a lot of corpses. Wonder whether pressure on cartels on the mainland is squeezing the proverbial balloon and pushing bad things to the peninsula. And right in the middle of tourist season.

[Edited on 3-3-2025 by digcolnagos]

[Edited on 3-3-2025 by digcolnagos]

digcolnagos - 3-3-2025 at 11:35 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Lee  
So far, none of the violence I read about between the lines affects me directly. I read that gringoes meet violence every now and then, but don't see it as a crisis.

Hers's a travel advisory. If you're driving 15 South, go around Culiacan. Have fun.


Yes, but...

I'm worried. I live not far from Guerrero Negro. I haven't lived here long, but I'm not aware of anything like a body count of 13 in this neck of the woods. How unprecedented might this be in Mulege state? Do I have to be concerned about reaching a point where no one goes out at night or leaves their home unless necessary during sporadic outbreaks of violence? It's happened elsewhere.

cupcake - 3-3-2025 at 11:38 AM

A US resident, with a ranch in Mexico, was killed recently by a cartel IED. Another person in the same vehicle was also killed. There are online reports of this incident.

The IED was not 'on the pavement', and hopefully this is not a sign of things to come for more well-traveled roads.

'Officials warn residents to use ‘extreme caution’ after IED kills Texas rancher in Mexico'
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/officials-warn-res...

[Edited on 3-3-2025 by cupcake]

wilderone - 3-3-2025 at 12:04 PM

"Do I have to be concerned about reaching a point where no one goes out at night or leaves their home unless necessary "

From the linked Bahia Tortugus report: "It should be remembered that the authorities of the Security Board have recognized that the municipality of Mulegé is a red zone in terms of security at this time. Previously, other events have been reported, such as homicides with firearms and disappearances of people in Santa Rosalía, Guerrero Negro and San Ignacio."

So many disappearances in Ensenada, that's what they are saying - afraid to go out at night. I'd try to keep in touch with my neighbors, maybe put motion detector lights out, you have a dog?, maybe a drive patrol to see who's coming and going. Three of the deaths in Bahia de los Angeles were for their trucks and a boat apparently. All about the drug route, and likely under the influence ? no telling what could happen.

digcolnagos - 3-3-2025 at 04:44 PM

I'm not worried about my personal safety so much. I don't think cartels care much about me, not concerned about home invasions or burglary or an IED that went off on the mainland. I am more concerned about the vibe. We'll see. I have no plans to leave anytime soon.

Tioloco - 3-3-2025 at 05:17 PM

Quote: Originally posted by digcolnagos  
I'm not worried about my personal safety so much. I don't think cartels care much about me, not concerned about home invasions or burglary or an IED that went off on the mainland. I am more concerned about the vibe.


You may want to reconsider what cartel methheads care about. I can think of several recent gringos targeted for vehicles that were older and definitely not what fit the profile. We can all dismiss these incidents if it makes us feel better but that doesn't change what is clearly happening. The violence and danger is definitely getting worse quickly.

Lee - 3-3-2025 at 05:38 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco  
Quote: Originally posted by digcolnagos  
I'm not worried about my personal safety so much. I don't think cartels care much about me, not concerned about home invasions or burglary or an IED that went off on the mainland. I am more concerned about the vibe.


You may want to reconsider what cartel methheads care about. I can think of several recent gringos targeted for vehicles that were older and definitely not what fit the profile. We can all dismiss these incidents if it makes us feel better but that doesn't change what is clearly happening. The violence and danger is definitely getting worse quickly.


Low level robbers, local pachucos, might shoot you for your vehicle. Gringoes are perceived to have money. Be aware of surroundings and keep this stuff in the back of your mind.

JDCanuck - 3-3-2025 at 06:08 PM

Heading south as well:
https://hoybcs.com/busqueda-positiva-encuentran-otras-seis-f...

On one more day, the collective "Search x La Paz," made up of relatives of missing persons, confirmed that six other clandestine graves have been located on the way to San Juan de la Costa.

This is with the support of the State Commission for the Search for Persons of Baja California Sur and the Prosecutor's Office, as specified on the official website of the collective.

The finding was carried out on March 2 on the road to San Juan de la Costa, an area where several clandestine graves detected have already been reported.

The collective reported that the authorities agreed to the area to begin the processing work, with the aim of determining the number of people buried in each grave, as well as to recover clothing and other elements that can help in the identification of the disappeared.

Search x La Paz called on the families of missing persons, who have not carried out DNA tests, to approach the Prosecutor's Office or Expert Services to conduct genetic tests and upload them to the database.

It should be remembered that since 2022 several finds of clandestine graves on the way to San Juan de la Costa have been reported; in February of this year alone, 10 bodies were located in the vicinity of this road, as confirmed by the governor of the state, Victor Castro Cosío.

[Edited on 3-4-2025 by JDCanuck]

4x4abc - 3-4-2025 at 09:09 AM

bottom line -
the Baja we all love is finished
you can no longer travel without a plan and camp peacefully in a random spot
you can no longer drive along MEX1 and carefree enjoy the drive
you can no longer own a home and not worry how the violence might affect you
and when you think you are safe within one of the cities - the police will ambush you and extort money

face it - Baja is over

BajaBlanca - 3-4-2025 at 12:13 PM

4x4abc is right. Life has changed and to be honest. I never in a million years saw this coming.

David K - 3-4-2025 at 02:06 PM

True that, Blanca... When the law isn't enforced and criminals get away with it... We lose.
We took a break from Baja back around 2007, for a few months, after Antonio's (BajaCactus) brother-in-law (a policeman) was murdered by the cartel in Tijuana.
Things will get back to normal... I am not as pessimistic about the future as others here. A Baja 'time-out' is not giving up on our favorite peninsula.

watizname - 3-5-2025 at 08:02 AM

Might have to be a long time out. I'll probably time out myself before I go back. bummer.

MontyF - 3-7-2025 at 11:32 AM

So far, I have only seen one news report on this incident. Other reports seem are refences this original report. No other news that I can find.

MontyF - 3-7-2025 at 11:34 AM

Does anyone have any additional information on the specifics of the incident beyone the news article posted in the original post?

thanks

Ken Cooke - 4-6-2025 at 11:50 AM

This is a shame

US 41 - 5-23-2025 at 05:23 PM

Makes me glad I drove the peninsula when I did 3 years ago in May of 2022. Mexico as a whole has gone to hell the past year or so, and continues to get worse. I might go back at some point, but I don't see myself taking my own vehicle again. Would fly in and rent a car with full coverage insurance at this point.

I took my own vehicle to Cabo back in '22 and it is my most favorite trip I've ever taken. Even back then though I was stopped at a checkpoint south of Guerrero Negro at the junction for Benito Juarez that was definitely sketchy. They had "official looking" vehicles, but later when I looked up the supposed agencies those vehicles represented I could never find those actual agencies. They had a rope set up across the highway and it was the most thorough search for drugs I've ever gone through. I suppose I'll never know if it was legit or not. Besides that I never felt uneasy the entire trip.

BajaNomad - 5-25-2025 at 03:46 PM

Quote: Originally posted by MontyF  
Does anyone have any additional information on the specifics of the incident beyone the news article posted in the original post?

thanks


Original source of this info appears to have been "Expresionlapaz" on FB:
https://www.facebook.com/fjso56/posts/fuerte-enfrentamiento-...

The OP's copied article referenced "expresión BCS" as the source.

Does anyone have more info on the credibility of this/these sources? Thank you.

For those following this topic (YMMV), here's other info posted by such sources....

That same FB page posted the following in the past few days:
https://www.facebook.com/fjso56/posts/pfbid08WSeacR2QmJaPnT1...

May 22, 2025
REPORTAN ENFRENTAMIENTO DE "MAYOS" Y "CHAPITOS" EN LA ZONA PACIFICO NORTE
Aún con información extraoficial pues el Gobierno oculta hechos de la delincuencia organizada

Con el uso de drones y armamento de grueso calibre, hoy los grupos delincuenciales se han posicionado en la zona norte de Baja California Sur en municipios como Mulegé, exactamente en Guerrero Negro y el vizcaíno.

Muchos ciudadanos propietarios de ranchos han abandonado ya sus propiedades, ya que han sido desplazados por delincuentes, lo que se origina por la lejanía de rancho a rancho.

Por ser una de las zonas menos pobladas del país, lo cual facilita que grupos armados ingresen a este municipio prácticamente sin tener miedo a las autoridades.

El nivel de profesionalismo es muy alto, son personas con conocimiento de tácticas militares, además muy inteligentes.

En este momento, tengo la capacidad de decirles que esto ha rebasado la capacidad de respuesta del estado de Baja California Sur y que es necesaria la respuesta y cooperación de las autoridades federales.

Ya que no se descarta que ya estos grupos delincuenciales hayan permeado las dependencias estatales y municipales, y hay filtración de información, por lo tanto, ya la información oficial de estas dependencias es muy dudosa.

Además, la información está llegando a cuentagotas, a veces no llega, a veces no hay evidencia, no hay comunicados, no hay fotografías, pero gracias a Dios, nosotros estamos enterados prácticamente de todo lo que sucede en el estado y en el país.

Hoy, después de la presunta balacera entre El Vizcaino y Guerrero Negro, alrededor de 5 o 6 vehículos participaron en un enfrentamiento entre dos facciones de un cartel en específico, sin la participación de autoridades. Derivado de lo alejado de la zona y que no hay prácticamente comunicación en este momento, no cuento con fotos, con evidencia ni ningún parte informativo,

Por lo que toda información es presuntamente y solamente se confirmará hasta que las autoridades estén en el área.

Google Translate:

May 22, 2025
CONFRONTATION BETWEEN "MAYOS" AND "CHAPITOS" REPORTED IN THE NORTH PACIFIC ZONE
Even with unofficial information, the government is hiding organized crime incidents.

With the use of drones and high-caliber weapons, criminal groups have now established a presence in the northern Baja California Sur region in municipalities such as Mulegé, specifically in Guerrero Negro and Vizcaíno.

Many ranch owners have already abandoned their properties, having been displaced by criminals. This is due to the remoteness of each ranch.

This is one of the least populated areas in the country, making it easy for armed groups to enter this municipality with virtually no fear of the authorities.

The level of professionalism is very high; these people are knowledgeable in military tactics and are also very intelligent.

At this moment, I am able to tell you that this has exceeded the response capacity of the state of Baja California Sur and that the response and cooperation of federal authorities is necessary.

Since it is not ruled out that these criminal groups have already infiltrated state and municipal agencies, and there is information leakage, official information from these agencies is already very dubious.

Furthermore, information is arriving in dribs and drabs; sometimes it doesn't arrive, sometimes there is no evidence, there are no press releases, there are no photographs, but thank God, we are informed of practically everything that is happening in the state and the country.

Today, after the alleged shootout between El Vizcaino and Guerrero Negro, around 5 or 6 vehicles participated in a confrontation between two factions of a specific cartel, without the participation of authorities. Due to the remoteness of the area and the lack of communication at this time, I have no photos, evidence, or any information.

Therefore, all information is presumptive and will only be confirmed when authorities are in the area.




BajaNomad - 5-25-2025 at 03:53 PM

From "Más Noticias de BCS" (FB) on March 13, 2025:
https://www.facebook.com/masnoticiasbcs/posts/pfbid0THpBVTY2...

Translated by Google:

Mexican Army Seizes "Monster" Vehicle in Bahía de los Ángeles; Three Arrested

Mulegé, BCS – Members of the Mexican Army, assigned to the 40th Military Zone and the 21st Motorized Cavalry Regiment, carried out an operation in Bahía de los Ángeles, where they seized a homemade armored vehicle, known as the "Monster," and arrested three people.

According to information obtained by a local media outlet, the mobilization of military forces occurred following an anonymous report. After the operation, the seized vehicle and the detainees were handed over to the Federal Public Prosecutor's Office.

Insecurity in the Region

This incident adds to a growing concern about violence in northern Baja California Sur, particularly in areas near Guerrero Negro, where criminal incidents have been reported that point to the incursion of criminal groups from Baja California.

Sources cited by this media outlet warn that the insecurity situation has generated uncertainty among the population, while the effectiveness of the security strategies implemented in the region remains in question.

Authorities are expected to strengthen their efforts to prevent the spread of criminal groups and ensure the peace of mind of the area's residents.

BajaNomad - 5-25-2025 at 03:59 PM

Another FB source with considerable local "reporting", YMMV:

"Creadores De Violencia La Baja"
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61575860498074

May 7, 2025:
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=pfbid0qR9B...

FWIW, please notice how heavily shared this post was by others...

Google Translate:

I'm Arley Aguilar from the "Los Venados Cartel" of Isla de Cedros, or better known as "Las Putitas con Peluca" (The Little hoars with Wigs).

This is one of the people responsible for all the chaos in Guerrero Negro and the municipality of Mulegé. He is an abusive and traitor. Investigate the people of Cedros so you know who the abusive people are who are killing innocent and unarmed people.

Friends, God bless us and protect us from the "Los Venados Cartel."


May 8, 2025:
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=pfbid02dMy...

Google Translate:

Here we introduce you to this person, "MARCO ÁVALOS," alias "EL PÚRPURA," who is one of the perpetrators of violence in the Baja California Sur. He is from the "Los Venados Cartel," members of the "Arley Aguilar" criminal cartel that is spreading terror in the municipality of Mulege.

Just so you know this little gem, he is the one in charge of burning down the houses in Isla de Cedros, Bahía Tortugas, and Guerrero Negro. He was one of the main participants in the wave of violence that occurred in the aforementioned locations.

BajaNomad - 5-25-2025 at 04:03 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaNomad  
Mexican Army Seizes... a homemade armored vehicle, known as the "Monster,"...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narco_tank

JZ - 5-25-2025 at 04:14 PM

This is so sad.

cupcake - 5-27-2025 at 06:29 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaNomad  


May 22, 2025
CONFRONTATION BETWEEN "MAYOS" AND "CHAPITOS" REPORTED IN THE NORTH PACIFIC ZONE
Even with unofficial information, the government is hiding organized crime incidents.

With the use of drones and high-caliber weapons, criminal groups have now established a presence in the northern Baja California Sur region in municipalities such as Mulegé, specifically in Guerrero Negro and Vizcaíno.

Many ranch owners have already abandoned their properties, having been displaced by criminals. This is due to the remoteness of each ranch.


I cancelled my El Camino Real hiking plans previously this year, because of the danger. I was recently considering the possibility of making another try, but have decided once again that it is too risky.

advrider - 5-27-2025 at 09:03 PM

We were down in May for a month and really enjoyed our trip, drove almost all the way to Cabo. Remote camping and fishing. We were planning to return for another month around November/December, but for the first time I'm thinking of skipping Baja.
Super bummed, but I just don't feel I can take my wife and friends down driving very nice, well-built jeeps for fear of being a target. Makes me sick.

I am not done exploring Baja

AKgringo - 5-28-2025 at 10:29 AM

I am not in denial about the changes that are occurring, and I am thankful for any reports of new or ongoing problem areas. I travel alone with a dog in older vehicles that would be unlikely targets, and I am always sober with my head on a swivel.

I am more concerned about cartel wannabees or former members than any organized group, but I feel that the biggest risk I face on my travels is on the paved portions lined with little white crosses!

chippy - 5-28-2025 at 02:42 PM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
I am not in denial about the changes that are occurring, and I am thankful for any reports of new or ongoing problem areas. I travel alone with a dog in older vehicles that would be unlikely targets, and I am always sober with my head on a swivel.

I am more concerned about cartel wannabees or former members than any organized group, but I feel that the biggest risk I face on my travels is on the paved portions lined with little white crosses!



Good for you AK! I just boarded the ferry to LAP:bounce:. No problems driving from Colima to Mazatlan. A heavy military presence probably helps! I'll be driving up to Tijuana taking 2 weeks. I'm not sure of my route but I'll let you know if I encounter anything sketchy.

AKgringo - 5-28-2025 at 06:01 PM

Chippy, I made two Baja runs from Northern California last year. In April of 24 I made it to Cabo with dental work in La Paz. In mid-December it was just a three week drive-about with San Juanico about the southern end of the trip on the Pacific side, then over the pass to the Cortez side and north on hwy 1 to hwy 5.

Do you plan on exploring any back roads? If so, I may have useful info for you.

chippy - 5-29-2025 at 06:03 AM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
Chippy, I made two Baja runs from Northern California last year. In April of 24 I made it to Cabo with dental work in La Paz. In mid-December it was just a three week drive-about with San Juanico about the southern end of the trip on the Pacific side, then over the pass to the Cortez side and north on hwy 1 to hwy 5.

Do you plan on exploring any back roads? If so, I may have useful info for you.



I try and do mainly back roads going up. My route depends on weather and fishing reports.
I
Which pass did you take? I was thinking about doing the San Raymundo east to west.

[Edited on 5-29-2025 by chippy]

pacificobob - 5-29-2025 at 07:27 AM

I'm seeing a lot of fearful reactions in these comments. IMO, overreactions.
I'm fairly confident the greatest risk i encounter here is auto accidents.
Regarding organized crime running various businesses/industries..... this has been the norm forever in the states. Don't agree? Try to open a garbage collection business in new York, or san Francisco....let me know how it goes.

wilderone - 5-29-2025 at 10:55 AM

pacifico - the last year or so of cartel activity is something that was unknown not long ago. Beheadings, kidnappings, mass shootouts, lots of bodies being dug up, town take-overs. You can't deny that this element may affect your trip in ways you didn't foresee. I prefer solo boondocking - I can read between the lines and know this isn't the safest choice now. In the past I have experienced surveillance and heard gunshots not far away (El Rosario area x2). One of my last trips, I flew into Cabo, rented a car, camped in campgrounds and a hostel in Todos Santos. A compromise, but I'd still love to find that spot off the two-track. And fear those days are behind me. Camping at Laguna Hanson? don't think so. You can't compare US cities with Baja California - focus on what's happening in Baja.

Tioloco - 5-29-2025 at 11:53 AM

Quote: Originally posted by wilderone  
pacifico - the last year or so of cartel activity is something that was unknown not long ago. Beheadings, kidnappings, mass shootouts, lots of bodies being dug up, town take-overs. You can't deny that this element may affect your trip in ways you didn't foresee. I prefer solo boondocking - I can read between the lines and know this isn't the safest choice now. In the past I have experienced surveillance and heard gunshots not far away (El Rosario area x2). One of my last trips, I flew into Cabo, rented a car, camped in campgrounds and a hostel in Todos Santos. A compromise, but I'd still love to find that spot off the two-track. And fear those days are behind me. Camping at Laguna Hanson? don't think so. You can't compare US cities with Baja California - focus on what's happening in Baja.


Unfortunately I have to agree with your assessment.

cupcake - 5-29-2025 at 05:26 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco  

Unfortunately I have to agree with your assessment.


Unfortunately, so do I.

If the report of ranchers abandoning their ranches is true, to me this would say a lot. I think it would be foolish for me to go on a hike where I would be counting on water sources at some of these ranches, or even just having the ranches be on my route.


[Edited on 5-30-2025 by cupcake]

mtgoat666 - 5-29-2025 at 06:14 PM

If you are seeing “multiple” reports of ranchers abandoning ranches, may be due to the drought. Last year has been severe drought…

cupcake - 5-30-2025 at 09:47 AM

The only online report of this that I have found so far, is the one linked by BajaNomad earlier in this thread:

"Many ranch owners have already abandoned their properties, having been displaced by criminals."

This could be interpreted as the ranches having already been abandoned for some other reason, like drought, but it seems unambiguous as far as criminals now occupying those ranches.

Earlier this year, John (Fatboy) hiked into the area of an abandoned marijuana farm, not realizing it was there beforehand. Harald posted a satellite image of the place, and said that John was lucky it had been abandoned. I think hiking into a place like this, or any place occupied by criminals, and you might be fortunate to survive.


[Edited on 5-30-2025 by cupcake]

geoffff - 5-31-2025 at 12:21 PM

Quote: Originally posted by cupcake  

Earlier this year, John (Fatboy) hiked into the area of an abandoned marijuana farm, not realizing it was there beforehand. Harald posted a satellite image of the place, and said that John was lucky it had been abandoned. I think hiking into a place like this, or any place occupied by criminals, and you might be fortunate to survive.


Was there a post here on BN about it? I'm wondering if it's the same place I stumbled upon a few years ago (?)

geoffff - 5-31-2025 at 12:30 PM

This post? 2025 El Camino Real Trip (part 1)

In my short Baja adventures, I have come across one active pot farm, and (probably) one inactive one.

cupcake - 5-31-2025 at 12:31 PM

Quote: Originally posted by geoffff  
Quote: Originally posted by cupcake  

Earlier this year, John (Fatboy) hiked into the area of an abandoned marijuana farm, not realizing it was there beforehand. Harald posted a satellite image of the place, and said that John was lucky it had been abandoned. I think hiking into a place like this, or any place occupied by criminals, and you might be fortunate to survive.


Was there a post here on BN about it? I'm wondering if it's the same place I stumbled upon a few years ago (?)


https://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=101304

The link above should take you to the thread. You will need to scroll down to see Harald's satellite image of the abandoned pot farm, near the bottom of the page.

[Edited on 5-31-2025 by cupcake]

cupcake - 5-31-2025 at 12:36 PM

Quote: Originally posted by geoffff  
This post? 2025 El Camino Real Trip (part 1)

In my short Baja adventures, I have come across one active pot farm, and (probably) one inactive one.


Yes, that's it.

Lee - 5-31-2025 at 07:28 PM

Quote: Originally posted by wilderone  
pacifico - the last year or so of cartel activity is something that was unknown not long ago. Beheadings, kidnappings, mass shootouts, lots of bodies being dug up, town take-overs. You can't deny that this element may affect your trip in ways you didn't foresee.


Family, friends, strangers have all advised me to stay away from Baja for the past 60 years. I've never considered TJ safe so I stay out of that town.

I think tourists, generally, are frightened of situations involving beheadings, kidnappings, etc. Got it. The latest media onslaught is proving the naysayers right. Baja has its problems. And it can be dangerous.

Short of bad hombres targeting US tourists, I'm not worried about the above. Doesn't concern me to be around shoot outs, either.

Don't plan on driving Mainland any time soon. Don't drive Hgwy 3 at night. Use to stop in Mulege for breakfast now just for gas.

To me, Baja is worth the risk and the drive. I understand fear but think, personally, that's a stupid reason to give up on Baja.

wilderone - 6-1-2025 at 06:40 AM

Lee -- Once I was camping outside the small town of Axe east of Merida. I found a smallish abandoned quarry of sorts - I could drive off the main road and be out of sight, it seemed clean enough, no indication that people regularly had any reason to come there. I observed who was passing on the road, didn't set up my tent until after dark. By nightfall I was confident I was safe. So I'm in my tent, reading and having a glass of wine when I hear a large vehicle drive up fast, park and two doors slam. I thought to myself, huh - I'm going to be robbed. Turned out to be two policia who asked me to tell them what I was doing there - "en Espanol". They told me it was private property, wasn't safe and advised me to go to Izamal and get a hotel. Which I did and was great. Point is: It happens in an instant - a few seconds - and you're a victim, unprepared for the situation, in spite of your perceived precautions. Those 3 surfers? I'd still like to do trips, already have an itinerary, but I don't think I want to go by myself. (Not saying "never").

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AKgringo - 6-1-2025 at 07:40 AM

I decided to spend the night in my car at the sandy point in El Comitan (west of La Paz) and had a similar visit from the local police.

They didn't tell me I had to leave, but told me (in English) to "Up the window and shut the door". I think he meant "lock", but I got the message.

Ken Cooke - 6-2-2025 at 03:39 PM

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
bottom line -
the Baja we all love is finished
you can no longer travel without a plan and camp peacefully in a random spot
you can no longer drive along MEX1 and carefree enjoy the drive
you can no longer own a home and not worry how the violence might affect you
and when you think you are safe within one of the cities - the police will ambush you and extort money

face it - Baja is over


Thats sad to hear..

Flatfish - 6-30-2025 at 06:18 AM

Interesting reading thru all this. 2019 we flew to San Jose Del Cabo, rented a jeep 4x4 and did the East cape to Los Barriles, La Paz, Todos Santos and back. 2024 we drove from Ensenada over 3 to 5 down to Todos and back 1. Just in March of this year drove 1 to Todos and back 5 to 3 and home (Ensenada). All three trips combo camping established campgrounds and Airbnb. First trip we boondocked outside of Catavina. All three trips no problem. San Ignacio checkpoint piece of cake, only once a cursory search. Both of us mid 60’s, me grey hair (short no beard), 2006 Dodge Ram 3500 stock no mods other than a small camper shell. No jewelry. Dash cam and GPS visible. Sunglasses off and smiling at all checkpoints. Our Spanish is very little and muy malo! The usual rules of common sense and courtesy. Lucky? I don’t know. Still going to visit more places we haven’t been, but head on a swivel and maybe some of those remote areas will just have to either wait or forget about.