Trippy spot on Google Earth

Look at different image dates.
Does it line up with any names on old maps?

30°06'41"N 114°46'32"W

[Edited on 6-16-2025 by Lance S.]

The crosshairs mark the spot on the right side of the images, and it is located in an arroyo, so I argue that we are looking at nothing more than a shadow in a canyon. But only one way to find out ...

Here's a couple more

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There is a spot marked Ames on the Knight map a little north of Miramar. Looks like it says there is water. Maybe we can find Ronosa peak.



[Edited on 6-17-2025 by Lance S.]

Perita?

Did you guys see any named peaks nearby?
The Knight map shows Ronosa peak at 2034 ft but the 1948 geology map has it at 2934 ft. This peak right near the water is around 2900 ft.

30°07'43"N 114°47'36"W



[Edited on 6-17-2025 by Lance S.]

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo

Is that Spanish for a small female dog?

Quote: Originally posted by Lance S.

Did you guys see any named peaks nearby? The Knight map shows Ronosa peak at 2034 ft but the 1948 geology map has it at 2934 ft. This peak right near the water is around 2900 ft. 30°07'43"N 114°47'36"W [Edited on 6-17-2025 by Lance S.]

The arroyo drops off just before the pool so it is probably a large tinaja, about 150 feet across when full.



Looks like it may fill with Tule between rains. Good source for balsas, edible as well.






[Edited on 6-18-2025 by Lance S.]

Quote: Originally posted by Lance S.

Look at different image dates. Does it line up with any names on old maps? 30°06'41"N 114°46'32"W [Edited on 6-16-2025 by Lance S.]

Quote: Originally posted by Lance S.

There is a spot marked Ames on the Knight map a little north of Miramar. Looks like it says there is water. Maybe we can find Ronosa peak. [Edited on 6-17-2025 by Lance S.]

Quote: Originally posted by Lance S.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Location-of-waterholes-i... Number six or thirteen? [Edited on 6-19-2025 by Lance S.]

Very cool map!


Location of waterholes in Sierra Santa Isabel, Baja California 1. Matomi, 2. Grande, 3. Las Blancas, 4. Canelo, 5. Hemes, 6. Zamora, 7. Cordero, 8. Volcán, 9. Miramar, 11. Palmito, 12. San Agustín, 13. Peralta, 14. Dulce.

Quote: Originally posted by David K

Quote: Originally posted by Lance S.   https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Location-of-waterholes-i... Number six or thirteen? [Edited on 6-19-2025 by Lance S.] Very cool map! Location of waterholes in Sierra Santa Isabel, Baja California 1. Matomi, 2. Grande, 3. Las Blancas, 4. Canelo, 5. Hemes, 6. Zamora, 7. Cordero, 8. Volcán, 9. Miramar, 11. Palmito, 12. San Agustín, 13. Peralta, 14. Dulce.

#6, Zamora!

Here I tried to line it up with Benchmark map

Quote: Originally posted by Lance S.

Thank you Geoffff and Harald! So the unnamed number ten is Àguaje Sagrado.. Harald, where did you get that name? [Edited on 6-19-2025 by Lance S.]

The little palm oasis of Sargado is up the arroyo (Agua las Palmitas), 2.5 miles from San Judas (onyx mine near km. 119): 29.9854, -114.6082
The name Sargado is on the INEGI topo map... and their map shows it as couple of structures about 400 meters downstream from the oasis location (as seen on satellite imagery). Another error on the topo map is showing the spring about 300 meters upstream of where it actually is.




[Edited on 6-19-2025 by David K]

A bit to the southwest there are a whole web of roads. I bet Harald knows what this is. 30.0657,-114.8876

#10 is 5 miles away from Agua Sagrado - Agua Palmito is farther to the east

#10 is in an Arroyo that has a lot of waterholes

the white blobs represent water holes

Quote: Originally posted by geoffff

A bit to the southwest there are a whole web of roads. I bet Harald knows what this is. 30.0657,-114.8876

yes, I do know
it is a government reforestation project
usually found on larger properties
you gotta have staff that is able to apply for the money
you gotta have personnel and machines to do the work
I know of about 30 different projects in Baja

the new roads and tracks seem to be related to prospecting
there is no water in the area to allow for ranch projects
one of them is growing NE every few years - seems like they eventually want to connect to Matomi wash and MEX5
they have reached the highest point of the Mesa by now with some exploratory dozer track heading down - it's a 500ft drop
the white track is the Bill Nichols MC track




there is a similar attempt east of Guerrero Negro connecting to a new real estate project with a very wide new road to Bahia San Carlos (great beach!)
road example here: 27.830340°, -113.016532° (the white line)

you are right, David
the spring location on the INEGI map is off

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc

yes, I do know it is a government reforestation project usually found on larger properties you gotta have staff that is able to apply for the money you gotta have personnel and machines to do the work I know of about 30 different projects in Baja

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc

there is a similar attempt east of Guerrero Negro connecting to a new real estate project with a very wide new road to Bahia San Carlos (great beach!) road example here: 27.830340°, -113.016532° (the white line)

Bahia San Carlos does look nice! I remember you passed through that area a while back on your No Wimps Trail, Harald.

I was just pondering if I could get myself all the way out there driving north from Alfredo V Bonfil when I spotted an elaborate airstrip there at 27.855152,-112.770566 (now ditched)



And a very fresh airstrip on the beach at 27.847668,-112.760579 It's not even visible on Google Earth yet. Check out Bing Maps satellite



I guess that means the access road is nice and well maintained!

Not so sure I should go there.



[Edited on 6-20-2025 by geoffff]

What do you all suppose this is at 27 53.716, -112 46.088
I was never able to drive past the locked gate back when and now I see a large marine project.
North of the landing strip along the Wimps track.

Quote: Originally posted by geoffff

Bahia San Carlos does look nice! I remember you passed through that area a while back on your No Wimps Trail, Harald. I was just pondering if I could get myself all the way out there driving north from Alfredo V Bonfil when I spotted an elaborate airstrip there at 27.855152,-112.770566 (now ditched) Not so sure I should go there.

Quote: Originally posted by David K

If you recall, power lines are to cross under the gulf from Sonora to around that area, south of Los Barriles, for much needed electricity. Maybe a connection to what you are seeing?

Quote: Originally posted by PaulW

What do you all suppose this is at 27 53.716, -112 46.088 I was never able to drive past the locked gate back when and now I see a large marine project. North of the landing strip along the Wimps track.

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc

you can get out there coming from the south (Alfredo V Bonfil) north access is blocked with gates 28.258439°, -112.871261° 28.243004°, -112.941237° a new road makes access much easier than following Arroyo La Trinidad (link below) you can drive as far north as the south gate of the Big Horn shooting range 28.026664°, -112.804868° I highly recommend the drive north of La Trinidad - it is the most pristine Baja environment no ranchos means no goats and cows so nature is still intact and untrampled great eagle population go check out Rancho La Trinidad - it used to be a Boleo cattle station (like El gato and San Miguel) there is a fish camp at the Boleo Salina - if occupied they have good fish for sale.

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc

Quote: Originally posted by David K   If you recall, power lines are to cross under the gulf from Sonora to around that area, south of El Barril, for much needed electricity. Maybe a connection to what you are seeing? like the shippable canal between Mexicali and Tijuana (no joke), or the train to La Paz it might never happen

Yes, like that! LOL LOL
(PS, I edited my blunder of pluralizing 'The Barrel')

Quote: Originally posted by geoffff

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc   yes, I do know it is a government reforestation project usually found on larger properties you gotta have staff that is able to apply for the money you gotta have personnel and machines to do the work I know of about 30 different projects in Baja Whoa! I wouldn't have guessed it! Thanks, Harald

Quote: Originally posted by bajaric

I have seen those patterns of lines at quite a few places on the satellite view and always wondered what they were. I figured either creating rows for planting crops or sampling for minerals at the surface. Had no idea it was some kind of reforestation project. Though one must wonder, how does scraping lines into the rocks with a bulldozer serve to "reforest" anything, especially when there was no forest to begin with?

there is a variant of those terrain lines
around El Triunfo
more than 100 years old
seems to be connected to mining
how, I don't know

maybe some of you have mining knowledge

El Triunfo mining bars below



[Edited on 6-21-2025 by 4x4abc]

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc

Quote: Originally posted by bajaric   I have seen those patterns of lines at quite a few places on the satellite view and always wondered what they were. I figured either creating rows for planting crops or sampling for minerals at the surface. Had no idea it was some kind of reforestation project. Though one must wonder, how does scraping lines into the rocks with a bulldozer serve to "reforest" anything, especially when there was no forest to begin with? those mini terrasses accumulate fine dirt and seeds the next rain will make the seeds start a plant that will help retain more water in the region rather than being washed into the ocean the government has built thousands of small dams as well Baja's population is growing people need water catching more of it during rain helps significantly