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Mexico unrest following military taking out CJNG head “El Mencho”

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sanquintinsince73 - 2-22-2026 at 01:28 PM

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/violence-erupts-mexico-a...

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Mexico unrest following military taking out CJNG head “El Mencho”

mtgoat666 - 2-22-2026 at 01:44 PM

Mexico unrest today following military taking out CJNG head “El Mencho”

A bit chaotic today in PV and Jalisco after el mencho whacked by military. CJNG burning vehicles in streets. Airport closed, flights cancelled, people advised to shelter in place

Some spill over to other cities like TJ, where some cartel protests, and public transport shut down for safety…

Any reports from cabo and la paz?

chippy - 2-22-2026 at 01:48 PM

Its ffnn crazy here right now !!! Everything is on lockdown in Jalisco and Colima y mas.:o

chippy - 2-22-2026 at 02:01 PM

Narco bloqueos everywhere.

chippy - 2-22-2026 at 02:04 PM

Jalisco,Colima, Nayarit, Michoacan, Sinaloa, Guanajuato so far y mas.

mtgoat666 - 2-22-2026 at 02:07 PM

Vehicles set on fire in tijuana, tecate and san quintin.
Jalisco and adjacent states are chaotic.
Guadalajara airport under siege.

chippy - 2-22-2026 at 02:16 PM

They got him in Tapalpa!

chippy - 2-22-2026 at 02:30 PM

They torched the costco in PV:(

JZ - 2-22-2026 at 02:45 PM

What a mess.


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy4wywnrdd8o

Eyewitnesses have filmed plumes of smoke rising over several cities including Guadalajara - one of the host cities of th the forthcoming Fifa World Cup.

In the tourist hotspot of Puerto Vallarta, on the Jalisco coast, potentially thousands of tourists are trapped in the resort around the fighting.

Throughout Sunday, there were reports of gunmen on the streets in Jalisco and elsewhere.

The governor of Jalisco, Pablo Lemus Navarro, on social media advised residents of the state to adhere to a code red warning and avoid leaving their homes.

He also said that public transport was suspended in the state.

The US State Department issued a shelter-in-place warning for US citizens in Jalisco State, Tamaulipas State, and areas of Michoacan State, Guerrero State, and Nuevo Leon State.

Former US ambassador to Mexico and Deputy Secretary of State Christopher Landau described El Mencho on social media as "one of the bloodiest and most ruthless drug kingpins."

He added that El Mencho's death was "a great development for Mexico, the US, Latin America, and the world".

The killing of El Mencho represents a victory for Mexico's President Claudia Sheinbaum Pardo in her fight against the country's drug cartels.

It also could strengthen her relationship with US President Trump, who often has demanded more progress on security in Mexico.

However, if the security forces can't bring the situation under control quickly, the Mexican administration's victory may be overshadowed by the cartel's violent response.

The Jalisco cartel has gained notoriety since it was formed in about 2010 for a series of attacks on security forces and public officials.

It has downed an army helicopter with a rocket-propelled grenade, killed dozens of state officials, and has even been known to hang the bodies of its victims from bridges to intimidate its rivals.

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JZ - 2-22-2026 at 02:56 PM




surabi - 2-22-2026 at 03:03 PM

Quote: Originally posted by chippy  
They torched the costco in PV:(


Source? As far as the news I have been reading, and the video I saw, they torched cars in the parking lot, not the store itself. Be careful about believing every facebook and instagram post and reposting what could be rumor.

[Edited on 2-22-2026 by surabi]

chippy - 2-22-2026 at 03:30 PM

Quote: Originally posted by surabi  
Quote: Originally posted by chippy  
They torched the costco in PV:(


Source? As far as the news I have been reading, and the video I saw, they torched cars in the parking lot, not the store itself. Be careful about believing every facebook and instagram post and reposting what could be rumor.

[Edited on 2-22-2026 by surabi]


*************, source being friends and relatives in PV. *********.


[Edited on 2-23-2026 by BajaNomad]

JZ - 2-22-2026 at 03:30 PM

Video of the fires around Costco.
https://x.com/WW3_Monitor/status/2025630425360572537?s=20

SFandH - 2-22-2026 at 03:31 PM

Are there any reports of anybody being harmed?


JZ - 2-22-2026 at 03:32 PM


JZ - 2-22-2026 at 03:36 PM

Quote: Originally posted by SFandH  
Are there any reports of anybody being harmed?






surabi - 2-22-2026 at 03:39 PM

"Are there any reports of anyone being harmed?"

No. Cartel evacuated all the buses, taxis etc. before setting them on fire. Rumors of tourists or foreigners being killed are false. Cartel's fight is with the govt. and police, not in their interests to kill ordinary people. But as people can be killed in crossfire, everyone being told to stay home.

surabi - 2-22-2026 at 03:43 PM

Quote: Originally posted by chippy  


****************, source being friends and relatives in PV. *********.


Why do you find it necessary to engage in personal attacks? What is wrong with you? Unless your friends and relatives in PV are standing in front of Costco, they are getting the same news I am. Friends and relatives are not immune from spreading rumors.

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JZ - 2-22-2026 at 03:46 PM




surabi - 2-22-2026 at 03:49 PM

Everyone was being told to stay home by the Mexican govt. hours before the DHS "ordered" Americans to.

[Edited on 2-22-2026 by surabi]

SFandH - 2-22-2026 at 04:04 PM

Tijuana newspapers:


https://www.elimparcial.com/tij/tijuana/

https://zetatijuana.com/category/noticias-del-dia/

https://www.sandiegored.com/





[Edited on 2-23-2026 by SFandH]

JDCanuck - 2-22-2026 at 09:09 PM

Only verified news I can locate is US government warnings citizens to shelter in place in a limited number of Mexican states. Nothing I can find indicates any state close to us in Oaxaca has suffered violence or destruction. If you have verifiable news that disagrees with this, please post the links. Jalisco, Nayarit and a very few others seem to be the only seriously affected states til now, and the security forces appear to be gaining the upper hand there.
Here’s the formal list from US govt at present for those like us that might be in Mexico at present
https://mx.usembassy.gov/security-alert-ongoing-security-ope...

[Edited on 2-23-2026 by JDCanuck]

JZ - 2-22-2026 at 09:16 PM

Let's be real, this is the terrible stuff that can happen when citizens are forced to give up their guns.

Criminal gangs terrorize the population and ordinary citizens have no way to defend themselves. :(:(:(






[Edited on 2-23-2026 by JZ]

JDCanuck - 2-22-2026 at 09:46 PM

I really can’t afford the cost to buy a few rocket launchers and a helicopter to take on the criminals here so I think I will let the army and security forces handle it this time around. But in any case on the Main Street I am looking out on, taxis are running as normal and tourists seem to be eating, enjoying the bands playing and acting quite normal. I think we will survive the night as long as we watch our tequila intake.

JZ - 2-22-2026 at 09:51 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  
I really can’t afford the cost to buy a few rocket launchers and a helicopter to take on the criminals here so I think I will let the army and security forces handle it this time around. But in any case on the Main Street I am looking out on, taxis are running as normal and tourists seem to be eating, enjoying the bands playing and acting quite normal. I think we will survive the night as long as we watch our tequila intake.


Hahaha.

Your best post on BN ever. Well done JD. :thumbup:



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surabi - 2-22-2026 at 10:33 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Let's be real, this is the terrible stuff that can happen when citizens are forced to give up their guns.

Criminal gangs terrorize the population and ordinary citizens have no way to defend themselves. :(:(:(






[Edited on 2-23-2026 by JZ]


Idiot. That's all we need, a bunch of panicked ordinary citizens running around shooting guns, making law enforcement actions more difficult.Keep your effin' gun culture and fear mongering to yourself, no one else wants it.

The violence was not directed towards ordinary citizens. Only shooting was between cartel and cops. Bunch of vehicles torched, cartel ordered all passengers out of buses, taxis, etc. and told them to clear out, before setting the vehicles on fire. Chaotic, scary for those near the action, inconvenient for those whose plans and flights wete disrupted, and lots of property damage, but no ordinary citizens, tourists or foreigners were hurt.


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BeachSeeker - 2-22-2026 at 10:45 PM

Quote: Originally posted by surabi  
Why do you find it necessary to engage in personal attacks? What is wrong with you?


Quote: Originally posted by surabi  
Idiot.


Hypocrite.

surabi - 2-22-2026 at 10:48 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  







You live on a dirt road in a Narco state and accept the Narcos disappearing thousands and thousands of children and women each year, and I'm the idiot??

Maybe if you cared more about humans than living cheaply in a warm climate we'd take you seriously. You only care about you at the end of the day, but love to cast rocks at others.

Plus you are a known racist. Any minority that disagrees with your radical agenda is a "token black" person. Shame on you.




[Edited on 2-23-2026 by JZ]


Wow, an entire post filled with nothing but lies. You should apply for a job with DHS.

lencho - 2-23-2026 at 07:23 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  

They burnt a church?! :O

You sure that photo's not an A.I. production?

Tioloco - 2-23-2026 at 08:01 AM

Quote: Originally posted by BeachSeeker  
Quote: Originally posted by surabi  
Why do you find it necessary to engage in personal attacks? What is wrong with you?


Quote: Originally posted by surabi  
Idiot.


Hypocrite.


Haha! A fun thread indeed...

SFandH - 2-23-2026 at 08:03 AM

Quote: Originally posted by lencho  
Quote: Originally posted by JZ  

They burnt a church?! :O

You sure that photo's not an A.I. production?


According to this article, it's fake. What's now known as "AI Slop".

https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2026/02/fact-check-image-...

A Google Image Search indicates that the image appears only on social media. It hasn't appeared on any news websites included in the search.

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So, in addition to all the violence, I'm sure killing El Mencho has diminished the drug smuggling problem. :rolleyes:

Whack-a-mole.



[Edited on 2-23-2026 by SFandH]

Tioloco - 2-23-2026 at 08:38 AM

Quote: Originally posted by SFandH  
Quote: Originally posted by lencho  
Quote: Originally posted by JZ  

They burnt a church?! :O

You sure that photo's not an A.I. production?


According to this article, it's fake. What's now known as "AI Slop".

https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2026/02/fact-check-image-...

A Google Image Search indicates that the image appears only on social media. It hasn't appeared on any news websites included in the search.

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So, in addition to all the violence, I'm sure killing El Mencho has diminished the drug smuggling problem. :rolleyes:

Whack-a-mole.



[Edited on 2-23-2026 by SFandH]


SFH- You're saying its been a better tactic to live and let live with regard to the growing cartel problem?

mtgoat666 - 2-23-2026 at 08:46 AM

Yikes!

CJNG asesina a 25 elementos de la Guardia Nacional, tras operativo que dejó muerto a “El Mencho”
https://zetatijuana.com/2026/02/cjng-asesina-a-25-elementos-...

JZ - 2-23-2026 at 09:55 AM

Quote: Originally posted by SFandH  
Quote: Originally posted by lencho  

They burnt a church?! :O

You sure that photo's not an A.I. production?


According to this article, it's fake. What's now known as "AI Slop".

https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2026/02/fact-check-image-...

A Google Image Search indicates that the image appears only on social media. It hasn't appeared on any news websites included in the search.

------------------------------

So, in addition to all the violence, I'm sure killing El Mencho has diminished the drug smuggling problem. :rolleyes:

Whack-a-mole.



[Edited on 2-23-2026 by SFandH]


My bad.


JDCanuck - 2-23-2026 at 10:03 AM

Church burning did appear a bit over the top even for CJNG. They keep trying to position themselves as the true Protectors of Mexico. By violent retribution of course, and please ignore their sources of funding.

pacificobob - 2-23-2026 at 10:33 AM

Quote: Originally posted by chippy  
Quote: Originally posted by surabi  
Quote: Originally posted by chippy  
They torched the costco in PV:(


Source? As far as the news I have been reading, and the video I saw, they torched cars in the parking lot, not the store itself. Be careful about believing every facebook and instagram post and reposting what could be rumor.

[Edited on 2-22-2026 by surabi]


***********************, source being friends and relatives in PV. *********.
easy on that pearl clutching there chippy! It's not healthy.



[Edited on 2-23-2026 by BajaNomad]

surabi - 2-23-2026 at 10:35 AM

Quote: Originally posted by chippy  
They torched the costco in PV:(


Confirmed false. They torched cars in the parking lot, not the store itself. Not a great idea to post something someone told you, as if it were a fact, if it hasn't been confirmed by other reliable sources.

pacificobob - 2-23-2026 at 10:40 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  


Certainly Ai. But please take it seriously. You will much safer if you stay home.

pacificobob - 2-23-2026 at 10:49 AM

Quote: Originally posted by lencho  
Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  
Church burning did appear a bit over the top even for CJNG.

Right, why on earth would they burn a church?

The person who credulously posted that image as fact, must have been, errr... asleep at the wheel... :rolleyes:


Red meat for the pearl clutching folks who are basically afraid of mexico.

Lee - 2-23-2026 at 10:54 AM

Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob  
Quote: Originally posted by lencho  
Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  
Church burning did appear a bit over the top even for CJNG.

Right, why on earth would they burn a church?

The person who credulously posted that image as fact, must have been, errr... asleep at the wheel... :rolleyes:


Red meat for the pearl clutching folks who are basically afraid of mexico.


Right.

Next question: is it safe to drive down Baja?

mtgoat666 - 2-23-2026 at 01:06 PM

Tiktok and twitter are full of AI fakery!
Only idiots rely on news from social media posts…

surabi - 2-23-2026 at 01:24 PM

Actually, local FB groups have been mostly good for accurate local info, you just have to filter out the inevitable posts by those who either like to fear monger, or play things down. For instance, I need to know when the buses start running from where I live to the airport, as I have guests slated to arrive in the next few days if the airport is open and the flights aren't cancelled. Locals who have walked by the bus station and posted photos of all the buses grounded there, and confirmed that no buses are running yet, is useful, so I don't have to drive over there and look myself. There are also official govt. updates being posted on the local FB site.

But of course that's different than just believing whatever one reads or sees online, when you are nowhere near the area and have little knowledge of the real situation.

Mixed reactions to the Federale vs Cartel battle

AKgringo - 2-23-2026 at 02:03 PM

I avoid most social media, but even in my MSN news feeds I have been seeing that some groups feel that it is time to either... head for the exit...shelter in place...or get out in the carnage and take selfies!

I have been delayed from recent travel to Mexico because of passport renewal problems. I'm a little less peeed off at the moment.

pacificobob - 2-23-2026 at 02:12 PM

I'll wager a month from now we won't be discussing this.
A bit like foreign plated cars being seized

Tioloco - 2-23-2026 at 02:48 PM

Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob  
I'll wager a month from now we won't be discussing this.
A bit like foreign plated cars being seized


20 years ago this cartel violence vs the government was unheard of in Mexico. Scary to think what it will look like in another 20 years if the liberal policies continue to ignore the danger. Sheinbaum stated it is illegal for her government to be at war with the cartels. Yikes

SFandH - 2-23-2026 at 03:07 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco  
Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob  
I'll wager a month from now we won't be discussing this.
A bit like foreign plated cars being seized


20 years ago this cartel violence vs the government was unheard of in Mexico. Scary to think what it will look like in another 20 years if the liberal policies continue to ignore the danger. Sheinbaum stated it is illegal for her government to be at war with the cartels. Yikes


20 years ago, when Felipe Calderon was elected president and declared war on the cartels, there were decapitated bodies hanging from overpasses, and El Pozolero was dissolving bodies in 50-gallon drums of acid.

Getting violent with the cartels is a losing proposition.

surabi - 2-23-2026 at 03:11 PM

Without the US demand for illegal drugs, the cartels would collapse. Without guns coming across the border from the US, the cartels would not have the power. Nothing to do with "liberal policies".

Tioloco - 2-23-2026 at 03:53 PM

Quote: Originally posted by SFandH  
Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco  
Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob  
I'll wager a month from now we won't be discussing this.
A bit like foreign plated cars being seized


20 years ago this cartel violence vs the government was unheard of in Mexico. Scary to think what it will look like in another 20 years if the liberal policies continue to ignore the danger. Sheinbaum stated it is illegal for her government to be at war with the cartels. Yikes


20 years ago, when Felipe Calderon was elected president and declared war on the cartels, there were decapitated bodies hanging from overpasses, and El Pozolero was dissolving bodies in 50-gallon drums of acid.

Getting violent with the cartels is a losing proposition.


Hanging decapitated bodies is terrible for sure but doesn't compare to heads up combat with military and police like we see now.

Getting violent with a terrorist group is a "losing proposition"? You may want to lay off the wacky tabacky and think about the ramifications of that, my friend.

This cartel terrorism can be defeated with force. The alternative is they will keep getting stronger til they are the only ones in charge of everything. Try to think about the big picture before laying down and submitting.

Tioloco - 2-23-2026 at 03:57 PM

Quote: Originally posted by surabi  
Without the US demand for illegal drugs, the cartels would collapse. Without guns coming across the border from the US, the cartels would not have the power. Nothing to do with "liberal policies".


This has Everything to do with "liberal policies".
The policy of "Hugs not Bullets" gave a green light to these terrorists. Naturally, they have infiltrated businesses across the country and charge protection money to mom and pop stores. If they dont pay, store owner is killed in public. Not exactly the type of people you should accept as a fact of life unless you don't value your life.

Past time for Mexico to call for military help and eradicate these animals. Kill them all (to be clear).

Bwana_John - 2-23-2026 at 09:41 PM


Quote:
Next question: is it safe to drive down Baja?


I think will stay off the roads for a couple of days…

https://m3.gab.com/media_attachments/7b/0b/13/7b0b1382ac9e32...

SFandH - 2-24-2026 at 12:41 AM

Quote: Originally posted by lencho  
Quote: Originally posted by Bwana_John  

Quote:
Next question: is it safe to drive down Baja?


I think will stay off the roads for a couple of days…

https://m3.gab.com/media_attachments/7b/0b/13/7b0b1382ac9e32...

Wow. Do you know when and where that video was taken?


Google Lens produced this info:

The incident took place in Veracruz, Mexico, around February 18, 2026.

The footage captures gunfire exchanges and vehicle pursuits through rural streets.

Confrontations between the Mexican military and organized crime have been reported in this region.


JDCanuck - 2-24-2026 at 10:12 AM

Sheinbaum present tactics appear to be resulting in the fastest decline of violent incidents anyplace in North America at just under 40 percent reduction in 2025 since she was elected. The quotes I have read from her is taking out the heads alone results in little more than the whack a mole SFandH describes. Charging increased numbers of corrupt cops and officials, exporting the leaders of Cartels to remote jails, boosting the raids and deploying the new National Guards quickly to trouble spots looks to be working quite well so far. Perhaps the largest gains are being accomplished by point 1 of the 4 point plan and that’s cut off the recruitment end by boosting the legal opportunities for the youth over the entire country. We should be copying her results instead of criticizing them.
Next time I see the National Guard out I will be sure to let them know I appreciate their dedication and perseverance as they continue to work to resolve this issue. They just sacrificed 25 of their own for our sakes.

surabi - 2-24-2026 at 11:21 AM

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

surabi - 2-24-2026 at 11:35 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco  


Getting violent with a terrorist group is a "losing proposition"? You may want to lay off the wacky tabacky and think about the ramifications of that, my friend.

This cartel terrorism can be defeated with force.


You think everything should be obtained by force.
We all saw the ramifications of what getting violent with the cartels resulted in. Not saying it was wrong to do that, but it certainly leads to more terrorism.

Organized crime exists everywhere in the world and always has. You will never eliminate it. Meanwhile there is also organized corporate crime going on all the time, that gets covered up and assisted and participated in by govts.

What about all those guns the cartel uses that come across the border from the US? Don't see you condemning that.


JDCanuck - 2-24-2026 at 11:53 AM

News report from Canadian in Puerto Vallarta from earlier this morning. He states things were quiet already by late Sunday in central PV. Everything opening up again today and flights restored to and from Canada
https://www.ctvnews.ca/video/2026/02/24/we-saw-naval-ships-a...

JDCanuck - 2-24-2026 at 12:53 PM

Meanwhile US based ATF continues to cooperate with Canadian and Mexican Authorities by doing their part. In addition Canadian Border Control is seizing more as they enter Canada based on intelligence sharing from US sources. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/atf-seizes-thousands-illegal-...

[Edited on 2-24-2026 by JDCanuck]

mtgoat666 - 2-24-2026 at 01:09 PM

Quote: Originally posted by surabi  
Without the US demand for illegal drugs, the cartels would collapse. Without guns coming across the border from the US, the cartels would not have the power. Nothing to do with "liberal policies".


Estimated 500,000 guns smuggled annually from USA to Mexico. That equates to over 3 percent of USA annual gun sales. 1 of every 30 guns sold in USA is smuggled to Mexico.
USA needs to get serious about gun control and eliminate straw buyers that feed guns to criminals in USA and Mexico.

The Trump administration dismantled the Biden-era enforcement mechanisms designed to stop gun trafficking. In April 2025, the Trump administration rescinded the ATF’s “zero tolerance” policy that had successfully shut down hundreds of dangerous gun dealers, and instead invited those who had lost their licenses to reapply. Approximately 80 percent of the ATF’s 2,500 special agents, specifically trained to investigate firearms trafficking, were also been reassigned to immigration enforcement, and the administration proposed slashing the agency’s 2026 funding by 26 percent, which would reduce annual gun dealer inspections from 10,000 to just 3,400.

ligui - 2-24-2026 at 01:10 PM

JZ you going to open a gun shop in Mexico so everyone can shoot everyone ?

Your logic is unbelievable.

Guns for everyone. Vote for JZ first gringo president of Mexico ;)

Tioloco - 2-24-2026 at 01:28 PM

Sheinbaum should implement what President Bukele did. Stop playing games with criminals.
El Salvador’s crime rate has dropped drastically to historic lows, with a 2024 homicide rate of roughly 1.9 per 100,000 residents, following a 69% decline in 2023. Formerly one of the world's deadliest countries, the crackdown under President Bukele since 2022 has significantly reduced gang-related violence, transforming the country into one of the safest in Latin America.

While addressing the country, Bukele said he is working to create opportunity for the kids but acknowledged the reality that you cant offer jobs to trained cold blooded killers. They must be eliminated.

pacificobob - 2-24-2026 at 01:47 PM

Quote: Originally posted by ligui  
JZ you going to open a gun shop in Mexico so everyone can shoot everyone ?

Your logic is unbelievable.

Guns for everyone. Vote for JZ first gringo president of Mexico ;)


Isn't he the guy who hires guides/security when visiting Mexico?

surabi - 2-24-2026 at 01:51 PM

He described them as "bodyguards". :lol:

JDCanuck - 2-24-2026 at 02:34 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco  
Sheinbaum should implement what President Bukele did. Stop playing games with criminals.
El Salvador’s crime rate has dropped drastically to historic lows, with a 2024 homicide rate of roughly 1.9 per 100,000 residents, following a 69% decline in 2023. Formerly one of the world's deadliest countries, the crackdown under President Bukele since 2022 has significantly reduced gang-related violence, transforming the country into one of the safest in Latin America.

While addressing the country, Bukele said he is working to create opportunity for the kids but acknowledged the reality that you cant offer jobs to trained cold blooded killers. They must be eliminated.



So what we were told about El Salvador just shipping their criminals to the US was all more false info. It’s so hard to weed out the truth these days. Then again there’s this, so it all gets very murky at times https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9qewln7912o


[Edited on 2-24-2026 by JDCanuck]

cupcake - 2-24-2026 at 02:38 PM

Quote: Originally posted by surabi  
Without the US demand for illegal drugs, the cartels would collapse. Without guns coming across the border from the US, the cartels would not have the power. Nothing to do with "liberal policies".


OK, and without the cartel demand for guns there would be no guns "coming across the border from the US."

surabi - 2-24-2026 at 02:41 PM

Talk about missing the point.

cupcake - 2-24-2026 at 02:54 PM

Quote: Originally posted by surabi  
Talk about missing the point.


You seem to be unaware that it is Mexicans moving guns from the US to Mexico. Meaning that the cartels enter the US, usually illegally, and it is they who do the buying and transporting of the guns to Mexico. You like to make it out to be the bad US which is supplying guns to Mexico, when in fact it is Mexicans supplying guns from the US to Mexico.



[Edited on 2-24-2026 by cupcake]

Tioloco - 2-24-2026 at 03:00 PM

Quote: Originally posted by cupcake  
Quote: Originally posted by surabi  
Talk about missing the point.


You seem to be unaware that it is Mexicans moving guns from the US to Mexico. Meaning that the cartels enter the US, usually illegally, and it is they who do the buying and transporting of the guns to Mexico. You like to make it out to be the bad US which is supplying guns to Mexico, when in fact it is Mexicans supplying guns from the US to Mexico.



[Edited on 2-24-2026 by cupcake]


And most importantly, with or without drug profits, they are engaging in extortion, racketeering, kidnapping and murder for hire. They need to be KILLED, not negotiated with and coddled with hugs instead of bullets. Crying liberals are too weak to handle the problem.

mtgoat666 - 2-24-2026 at 03:06 PM

Quote: Originally posted by cupcake  
Quote: Originally posted by surabi  
Talk about missing the point.


You seem to be unaware that it is Mexicans moving guns from the US to Mexico. Meaning that the cartels enter the US, usually illegally, and it is they who do the buying and transporting of the guns to Mexico. You like to make it out to be the bad US which is supplying guns to Mexico, when in fact it is Mexicans supplying guns from the US to Mexico.
[Edited on 2-24-2026 by cupcake]


The mfgs and gun stores are Americans, the mfgs and stores are the source of guns. Strawman buyers are citizens or green card holders. Illegals and temp visa holders cant buy guns.

JDCanuck - 2-24-2026 at 03:10 PM

After the Mexican military killed drug cartel kingpin Nemesio Rubén Oseguera Cervantes, widely known as El Mencho, officials detailed the weapons recovered in the firefights. The stockpile included a rocket-propelled grenade launcher, 10 long arms, handguns, and grenades, officials said.

Mexico Defense Minister Ricardo Trevilla Trejo said that, as with other Mexican crime scenes, about 80% of the recovered weapons were bought in the United States and smuggled across the border. The details were shared in a Feb. 23 news conference, a day after the killing of El Mencho.

Gun ownership in Mexico is tightly restricted. There is only one military-run gun store in the country, in Mexico City, where weapons sales are strictly regulated. But easy access to guns in the United States has created an "iron river" of firearms flooding Mexico's black market.

cupcake - 2-24-2026 at 03:14 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by cupcake  
Quote: Originally posted by surabi  
Talk about missing the point.


You seem to be unaware that it is Mexicans moving guns from the US to Mexico. Meaning that the cartels enter the US, usually illegally, and it is they who do the buying and transporting of the guns to Mexico. You like to make it out to be the bad US which is supplying guns to Mexico, when in fact it is Mexicans supplying guns from the US to Mexico.
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The mfgs and gun stores are Americans, the mfgs and stores are the source of guns.


So, shut down the US 'gun culture' because Mexicans enter the US illegally and then ship guns to Mexico?

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  

Illegals and temp visa holders cant buy guns.


They can't buy them legally. Buying them illegally is not a problem.

JDCanuck - 2-24-2026 at 03:15 PM

Surely those gun stores check the nationality or criminal history of the purchasers before they sell them all those guns? Where does someone go to buy those grenade launchers? It’s particularly difficult to arrest all those drug kingpins if they continue to be armed better than the police that go to arrest them. Should be pretty simple for suppliers to track the destination of items they sell if they decided it was in their interest to do so.

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cupcake - 2-24-2026 at 03:20 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  
Surely those gun stores check the nationality or criminal history of the purchasers before they sell them all those guns? Where does someone go to buy those grenade launchers? It’s particularly difficult to arrest all those drug kingpins if they are armed better than the police that go to arrest them.


A legal gun store operation in the US is not where an illegal alien cartel member would go to buy a gun. They would either use the black market or simply just steal them. A gun is stolen in the US every 90 to 120 seconds.

JDCanuck - 2-24-2026 at 03:27 PM

They can put trackers on cheap items I buy at Walmart, so why not put them on firearms? Would be an extremely easy way to recover stolen firearms and locate the thieves as a bonus.

cupcake - 2-24-2026 at 03:34 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  
They can put trackers on cheap items I buy at Walmart, so why not put them on firearms? Would be an extremely easy way to recover stolen firearms and locate the thieves as a bonus.


Seems like a good idea to me.

But, I suspect the bad guys would just remove them.

Tioloco - 2-24-2026 at 03:35 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  
They can put trackers on cheap items I buy at Walmart, so why not put them on firearms? Would be an extremely easy way to recover stolen firearms and locate the thieves as a bonus.


The naivety here is stunning. Hope that is a joke

surabi - 2-24-2026 at 03:45 PM

Quote: Originally posted by cupcake  

A legal gun store operation in the US is not where an illegal alien cartel member would go to buy a gun. They would either use the black market or simply just steal them. A gun is stolen in the US every 90 to 120 seconds.


Sounds like a good argument against the ridiculous array of weaponry in the hands of private citizens in the US. They aren't stealing the guns from the military or the cops, you know.

surabi - 2-24-2026 at 04:02 PM

Quote: Originally posted by cupcake  


So, shut down the US 'gun culture' because Mexicans enter the US illegally and then ship guns to Mexico?



Uh, there's quite a few more reasons for better gun control in the US. Like the fact that gun violence is the leading cause of child deaths in the US.

"The rate of child deaths from gun violence in the US doubled from 2013 to 2021. The United States has by far the highest rate of child and teen firearm mortality among peer nations. In no other similarly large, wealthy country are firearms in the top four causes of death for children and teens, let alone the number one cause. U.S. states with the most gun laws have lower rates of child and teen firearm deaths than states with few gun laws. But, even states with the lowest child and teen firearm deaths have rates much higher than what peer countries experience.

On a per capita basis, the firearm death rate among children and teens (ages 1-19) in the U.S. is over 9.5 times the firearm death rate of Canadian children and teens (ages 1-19)."

https://www.kff.org/mental-health/child-and-teen-firearm-mor...

But Americans would rather admire their gun collections than protect their children.


mtgoat666 - 2-24-2026 at 04:10 PM

Quote: Originally posted by cupcake  
So, shut down the US 'gun culture' because Mexicans enter the US illegally and then ship guns to Mexico?


Your ‘culture’ is pretty toxic. Everyone knows that too many guns are sold to too many people that should not be buying guns. Most gun owners I know agree that the system is broken and needs fixing.

JDCanuck - 2-24-2026 at 04:35 PM

Tioloco. Not a joke at all. We have had passive implants for pets the size of a grain of rice for decades now. Cheap and easily embedded without any outward appearance they are there.
The remote trackers on my cellphone are also extremely small and let commercial interests know the minute I enter a Best Buy for decades. Police are now busting crime rings regularly by leaving bait cars out to attract thieves. Why not firearms or are they somehow protected under privacy laws?

Tioloco - 2-24-2026 at 05:08 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  
Tioloco. Not a joke at all. We have had passive implants for pets the size of a grain of rice for decades now. Cheap and easily embedded without any outward appearance they are there.
The remote trackers on my cellphone are also extremely small and let commercial interests know the minute I enter a Best Buy for decades. Police are now busting crime rings regularly by leaving bait cars out to attract thieves. Why not firearms or are they somehow protected under privacy laws?


Aside from privacy, there is the fact that they will defeat those devices immediately.

Instead of thinking about how to disarm a terrorist, maybe more useful to think of ways to eliminate the terrorist.
The narcos are using drones effectively enough now to make worrying about the guns moot.

Guns dont kill people.... people kill people.

surabi - 2-24-2026 at 07:10 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco  


Guns dont kill people.... people kill people.


Yeah, we've heard that stupid line from the gun lovers forever.
You can't kill 50 people in half a minute with a knife or a baseball bat.
Remind me again why any private citizen needs a semi-automatic weapon except to feel like a tough guy?

SFandH - 2-24-2026 at 08:30 PM

Quote: Originally posted by lencho  
Quote: Originally posted by SFandH  
...and El Pozolero was dissolving bodies in 50-gallon drums of acid.

That (true?) legend has always fascinated me.:wow:

How many dissolved bodys can fit into a 50-gallon drum?

And how does the drum resist the acid?


Found this:

"Investigators in Tijuana have made a gruesome discovery over the last week

Remains Of More Than 100 Bodies Dissolved In Acid Recovered"

"El Pozolero has confessed to dissolving 300 people."

https://www.kpbs.org/news/border-immigration/2012/12/05/rema...

Lee - 2-24-2026 at 09:23 PM

Quote: Originally posted by surabi  
Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Let's be real, this is the terrible stuff that can happen when citizens are forced to give up their guns.

Criminal gangs terrorize the population and ordinary citizens have no way to defend themselves. :(:(:(

[Edited on 2-23-2026 by JZ]


Idiot. That's all we need, a bunch of panicked ordinary citizens running around shooting guns, making law enforcement actions more difficult.Keep your effin' gun culture and fear mongering to yourself, no one else wants it.

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Innocent MX civilians are killed by bad people all the time. The corrupt government cannot protect these civilians. Any MX wanting a firearm for protection should be allowed to protect themselves.

Mexico would be safer, and the US too, if it's citizens were armed.

Tioloco - 2-24-2026 at 09:47 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Lee  
Quote: Originally posted by surabi  
Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Let's be real, this is the terrible stuff that can happen when citizens are forced to give up their guns.

Criminal gangs terrorize the population and ordinary citizens have no way to defend themselves. :(:(:(

[Edited on 2-23-2026 by JZ]


Idiot. That's all we need, a bunch of panicked ordinary citizens running around shooting guns, making law enforcement actions more difficult.Keep your effin' gun culture and fear mongering to yourself, no one else wants it.

[Edited on 2-23-2026 by surabi]

[Edited on 2-23-2026 by surabi]

[Edited on 2-23-2026 by surabi]


Innocent MX civilians are killed by bad people all the time. The corrupt government cannot protect these civilians. Any MX wanting a firearm for protection should be allowed to protect themselves.

Mexico would be safer, and the US too, if it's citizens were armed.


Lee, my friend!
We agree on something...
Level the playing field, please!

surabi - 2-24-2026 at 11:40 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco  
They need to be KILLED...


Well, there's a great argument for gun control- a gun lover screaming in all caps about who needs to be killed.
Same guy who cheered on the survivors of the "drug boat" bombings clinging to the wreckage being killed, without knowing the first thing about them, other than what his lying politicians told him to believe.

Tioloco - 2-25-2026 at 06:16 AM

Quote: Originally posted by surabi  
Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco  
They need to be KILLED...


Well, there's a great argument for gun control- a gun lover screaming in all caps about who needs to be killed.
Same guy who cheered on the survivors of the "drug boat" bombings clinging to the wreckage being killed, without knowing the first thing about them, other than what his lying politicians told him to believe.


surabi, Mexican cartel members are terrorizing the country. They have proven how despicable and evil they are more times than we can count. They routinely post videos of their savagery. As they continue to expand their empire of torture, more and more innocent people are victimized.

Every town and city in Mexico is under their brutal control in one way or another. This is not opinion, it is fact. They have corrupted every institution. Reasoning with them is a joke, they must be targeted and eliminated.

SFandH - 2-25-2026 at 06:55 AM

You keep repeating your opinion about what you think should be done. Anything else to say?

Tioloco - 2-25-2026 at 07:38 AM

Quote: Originally posted by SFandH  
You keep repeating your opinion about what you think should be done. Anything else to say?

Yes, PBS reported at least 250 carjackings on Sunday with the vehicles being burned. There were many more parked cars and buildings burned as well in addition to all the buses and commercial trucks burned.

Will the Mexican government recompense the owners for their losses? Most of those vehicles and property is not insured. Is it not the fault of the government for allowing the criminal element to flourish with little restriction? Narco state and all...Hugs not Bullets must have a separate $$ account to help victims during times like this, que no?

pacificobob - 2-25-2026 at 08:51 AM

Must be awful to live with your amount of fear Tioloco.
I hope your firearms provide some comfort.

JDCanuck - 2-25-2026 at 08:51 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco  
Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  
Tioloco. Not a joke at all. We have had passive implants for pets the size of a grain of rice for decades now. Cheap and easily embedded without any outward appearance they are there.
The remote trackers on my cellphone are also extremely small and let commercial interests know the minute I enter a Best Buy for decades. Police are now busting crime rings regularly by leaving bait cars out to attract thieves. Why not firearms or are they somehow protected under privacy laws?


Aside from privacy, there is the fact that they will defeat those devices immediately.

Instead of thinking about how to disarm a terrorist, maybe more useful to think of ways to eliminate the terrorist.
The narcos are using drones effectively enough now to make worrying about the guns moot.

Guns dont kill people.... people kill people.


How does someone disarm a device which is turned off and can be enabled randomly or at will and is tiny enough to be embedded and hidden in attached appurtenances? It’s not as if this is a brand new invention. They have been used successfully many times in the past as the Israelis proved very recently in Lebanon. If the US is not concerned about individual’s privacy why should firearms be exempted?

Tioloco - 2-25-2026 at 09:17 AM

Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob  
Must be awful to live with your amount of fear Tioloco.
I hope your firearms provide some comfort.


Fear? Not afraid, my friend. I try to be prepared. Me pointing out that Mexico has devolved into a narco state hurts your feelings? I hope you can get over it. As for me, I am hopeful for a bigger crackdown on organized crime so friends and family living there full-time can have more security and the prosperity that comes with it.

If you are living in Mexico and don't think there is a problem with cartels, good for you.

pacificobob - 2-25-2026 at 09:22 AM

If you're not comfortable, find a place where you are.

Tioloco - 2-25-2026 at 09:36 AM

Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob  
If you're not comfortable, find a place where you are.


Haha, ok dude. I think I saw you on camera in PV Sunday saying all is well and the smoke will clear soon. Good on ya.

JDCanuck - 2-25-2026 at 10:25 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco  
Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob  
If you're not comfortable, find a place where you are.


Haha, ok dude. I think I saw you on camera in PV Sunday saying all is well and the smoke will clear soon. Good on ya.


For those who worry about safety in Mexico, Merida is judged to be the second safest city in North America, right behind Quebec City in Canada. Property there is still very inexpensive as is medical services and it is both a beautiful historical area and laid back atmosphere for families. I’m sure there are other areas almost as safe if a person does a quick study. I’ve never been to Tijuana and can’t comment on how it is affected by it’s proximity to the US

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cupcake - 2-25-2026 at 10:27 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  
Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco  
Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  
Tioloco. Not a joke at all. We have had passive implants for pets the size of a grain of rice for decades now. Cheap and easily embedded without any outward appearance they are there.
The remote trackers on my cellphone are also extremely small and let commercial interests know the minute I enter a Best Buy for decades. Police are now busting crime rings regularly by leaving bait cars out to attract thieves. Why not firearms or are they somehow protected under privacy laws?


Aside from privacy, there is the fact that they will defeat those devices immediately.

Instead of thinking about how to disarm a terrorist, maybe more useful to think of ways to eliminate the terrorist.
The narcos are using drones effectively enough now to make worrying about the guns moot.

Guns dont kill people.... people kill people.


How does someone disarm a device which is turned off and can be enabled randomly or at will and is tiny enough to be embedded and hidden in attached appurtenances? It’s not as if this is a brand new invention. They have been used successfully many times in the past as the Israelis proved very recently in Lebanon. If the US is not concerned about individual’s privacy why should firearms be exempted?


Interesting subject.

Passive pet ID tags last a pet's lifetime, but they are not trackers, rather just ID tags.

Most or all trackers can be defeated, some easily, some not as easily.
All trackers that use batteries are defeated when the batteries loose their charge. So, some trackers are rendered inoperable in a matter of weeks, while others last much longer, even many years.

Long lasting tracker batteries can be drained more quickly in a number of ways, including subjecting them to cold and cutting them off from their communications networks, both of which causes the tracker to work much harder and the battery to drain much faster.

Of course, if possible, identifying the tracker and removing or damaging it would be the preferred method.

An interesting website:
https://airpinpoint.com/en/equipment-tracking/gps-theft-trac...


[Edited on 2-25-2026 by cupcake]

JDCanuck - 2-25-2026 at 10:44 AM

Cupcake: And yet the Israel’s managed to somehow distribute comm devices throughout Hezbollah organization in Lebanon not only capable of tracking but also containing explosives as well. How do they in addition locate individual terrorists with enough accuracy to take them out with small targeted drones? Capabilities presently in use are far beyond what we can locate by simple google searches.
Intelligence requires what its name states…intelligence beyond that of the people you are bringing down.

surabi - 2-25-2026 at 12:01 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco  


Will the Mexican government recompense the owners for their losses? Most of those vehicles and property is not insured.


And you know that "most of these vehicles and property is not insured" exactly how?

Tioloco - 2-25-2026 at 01:48 PM

Quote: Originally posted by lencho  
Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  
Intelligence requires what its name states…intelligence beyond that of the people you are bringing down.

"Intelligence"... in the sense of espionage, right?

Beccause if we're talking about the mental capacity aspect of the term, and comparing the current U.S. cabal with that of most any developed country...

You can fill in the rest. :o


You're not a fan of winning, got it.

Hey Nomads!

AKgringo - 2-25-2026 at 02:20 PM

How about us staying on topic about what is happening in Mexico, particularly about anything spilling over into Baja!

lencho - 2-25-2026 at 02:29 PM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
How about us staying on topic about what is happening in Mexico, particularly about anything spilling over into Baja!

Good point, sorry. Another case of OT slopping over into the other fora. :no:

cupcake - 2-25-2026 at 04:44 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  
Cupcake: And yet the Israel’s managed to somehow distribute comm devices throughout Hezbollah organization in Lebanon not only capable of tracking but also containing explosives as well. How do they in addition locate individual terrorists with enough accuracy to take them out with small targeted drones? Capabilities presently in use are far beyond what we can locate by simple google searches.
Intelligence requires what its name states…intelligence beyond that of the people you are bringing down.


I'm thinking this is on topic, so responding...

The Israeli-Hezbollah event you are referring to, I believe, involved pagers. Those pagers use batteries. So, the same power source for the pager could also power a tracker. If Hezbollah didn't know that their pagers had been tampered with, they would have taken no steps to deal with any tracker or explosive in the pager. In such a situation, even if a tracker or explosive had its own power source, Hezbollah didn't have the pagers long enough for those power sources to be used up...they can last for years, if no one is trying to disable them.

That is an entirely different situation than dealing with a firearm that you know or suspect is tracked.

The cartels that are sophisticated enough to operate a submarine or engineer a miles-long tunnel under the border, will likely be able to deal with a tracked firearm.

I agree, US and Israeli surveillance is very sophisticated. But we are talking about a tracking device in a firearm sold commercially. It's not the same thing.

If someone doesn't know they are being tracked or surveilled, they will not take any steps to defeat it.

Speaking of surveillance, this linked article discusses the US helping to locate Nemesio Oseguera.
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/new-us-military-led-g...

Oseguera had been hunted for years, with a $15,000,000 bounty on him. I suspect he was quite good at counter surveillance measures.


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