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jrbaja - 5-14-2005 at 03:08 PM

There was some blather going on regarding Cinco de Mayo and who celebrated and how much of a holiday it was in Mexico. Mostly by gringos discussing the day.
It was pointed out to me that in Mexico, Mothers day is a national holiday, where they actually respect and spend time with their Mother's rather than just making the hallmark family, delivery services and florists wealthy.
Perhaps we as gringos have somewhat screwed up our priorities in life somewhere along the line? We all have Mother's I'm pretty sure. Yet we have a national holiday for Martin Luther King Day but not one to respect our own Mother's.
This would explain a lot when it comes to figuring out what happened to family values and morals in the u.s.. :barf:

Sharksbaja - 5-14-2005 at 03:16 PM

No sh_t Sherlock! It's very apparent. It(values), like Cinco de Mayo, only serves one purpose to corporate America.......to cash in on and make money on..... whatever a stupid gringo will fall for!

bajajudy - 5-14-2005 at 03:20 PM

I am cutting and pasting this from one of my previous posts about Cinco de Mayo:

I have a friend who says it was dreamed up by the American greeting card industry. Americans wouldn t tolerate celebrating a holday in which they were defeated so defeating the French at Puebla seemed like a great thing for Mexican Americans to celebrate.

surfer jim - 5-14-2005 at 06:21 PM

:lol:

Dave - 5-14-2005 at 07:23 PM

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Originally posted by jrbaja
Perhaps we as gringos have somewhat screwed up our priorities in life somewhere along the line? We all have Mother's I'm pretty sure. Yet we have a national holiday for Martin Luther King Day but not one to respect our own Mother's.
This would explain a lot when it comes to figuring out what happened to family values and morals in the u.s.. :barf:

Perhaps you need to check your facts.

Mothers day is a national holiday in the U.S. Fact is, the holiday originated in the States (1914) and was exported throughout the world, (even to Mexico).

PacO - 5-14-2005 at 07:56 PM

Those stoopid fookin' gringos. Don't ya' just hate 'em?:moon:

rts551 - 5-14-2005 at 08:10 PM

hmmmmm. is there a reason you picked on MLK day. why not 25 dec. or how about Mexico's independence day.

fdt - 5-14-2005 at 09:19 PM

Because of the ignorant fool with a keyboard thet he (JR)is

PacO - 5-14-2005 at 09:59 PM

God forbid you would respect a man that extolled equality.... Maybe he can lambaste Cesar Chavez next. :lol:

yankeeirishman - 5-15-2005 at 06:53 AM

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Originally posted by Sharksbaja
No sh_t Sherlock! It's very apparent. It(values), like Cinco de Mayo, only serves one purpose to corporate America.......to cash in on and make money on..... whatever a stupid gringo will fall for!

Mother's Day festivities in the United States date back to 1872 when Julia Ward Howe (her other claim to fame was writing the lyrics for the "Battle Hymn of the Republic") suggested the day be dedicated to peace. Ms. Howe would hold organized Mother's Day meetings in Boston, Massachusetts ever year.

In 1907, Ana Jarvis, a Philadelphia, Pennsylvania school teacher, furthered the cause by beginning a campaign to establish a national Mother's Day. Ms. Jarvis persuaded her mother's church in Grafton, West Virginia to celebrate Mother's Day on the second anniversary of her mother's death, which happened to be on the 2nd Sunday of May that year. By the following year, Mother's Day was also being celebrated in Philadelphia. With all due respect to you Sir: " It has ZERO connection to corporate America

[Edited on 5-15-2005 by yankeeirishman]

Bob H - 5-15-2005 at 09:47 AM

Some Motherly Advice...

Always change your underwear; you never know when you'll have an accident.

Don't make that face or it'll freeze in that position.

Be careful or you'll put your eye out.

What if everyone jumped off a cliff? Would you do it, too?

You have enough dirt behind those ears to grow potatoes!

Close that door! Were you born in a barn?

If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all.

Don't put that in your mouth; you don't know where it's been!

Sharksbaja - 5-15-2005 at 12:35 PM

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Originally posted by yankeeirishman

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my point is not the fact that it's labeled a National Holiday.

It may very well be a National Holiday, and thanks for the history lesson. The point I was reflecting on was the Americans confusion about these "special" days.. It isn't so much as a day of remembering mom and showing our appreciation for being there for us. It has become a corporate blitz to make a buck on, similar to Cinco de Mayo. And although I did not hear too many references to"mom" on the boards , I am inclined to think that the true day for 'mom' has been skewed.. What JR said is real, our Mothers Days our not one of sentiment and love but more of a token day, much like "Noodle Day". It would be considered a "real" holiday if it was fed government recognized.

DO you think United Nations Day qualifies as a National Holiday? Hows about April Fools Day. Now, that is an important event in America don't you think.
Look at these National Hoildays

New Year's Day January 1st.
Birthday of Martin Luther King Third Monday in January
Inauguration Day January 20th every four years
Groundhog Day February 2nd
Valentine's Day February 14th
Washington's Birthday Third Monday in February since 1971
Inauguration Day March 4th every four years
St Patrick's Day March 17th
April Fool's Day April 1st
Mothers' Day Second Sunday in May
Armed Forces Day Third Saturday in May.
Memorial Day Last Monday in May since 1971
Flag Day June 14th.
Fathers' Day Third Sunday in June
Independence Day July 4th
Parents' Day Fourth Sunday in July
Labor Day First Monday in September
Grandparents' Day Sunday after Labor Day
Columbus Day Second Monday in October
United Nations Day October 24th
Halloween October 31st
Election Day Tuesday on or after November 2
Veterans Day November 11th
Thanksgiving Day Fourth Thursday in November
Christmas Day December 25th

Hey Dave

jrbaja - 5-15-2005 at 12:45 PM

and the family value impaired,, it related to the cinco de mayo thread. My point is that in Mexico, everyone gets the day off for Mother's Day. That's because of the respect that the Mother's deserve and everyone here, (away from the big cities) is aware of that respect. That's why they get to do it in person rather than sending cards and b.s. through a carrier.
Whereas, the u.s. has gone the same way as they have with everything else, making big money for the big corporations.
It has turned into a country where the citizens don't even remember what truth, honesty, and family values even are!
Oh well, at least you still have bank accounts and nice cars. That's always impressive. :lol:

bajalou - 5-15-2005 at 12:46 PM

Mother's Day has as much to do with respect four your (and other) mothers as YOU decide to put into it. It isn't the government nor corporate america that dictates how you handle it - It's entirely up to YOU.

:biggrin:

My point being Lou

jrbaja - 5-15-2005 at 12:48 PM

That's not true if you have to work on Sundays.

Sharksbaja - 5-15-2005 at 01:00 PM

I agree with Lou too. I suppose that with all the lazy people in this country that can't muster the time and effort to express their love there is always a corporate entity waiting to help you out.

I'd say that

jrbaja - 5-15-2005 at 01:01 PM

McDonalds pretty much verifies that!!!

JR Gringo

MrBillM - 5-15-2005 at 01:02 PM

If there is anyone who personifies a Screwed-Up Gringo, it would certainly be the Bamboo Baron.

On another note, the first time I ever took my current wife to Baja over the Cinco de Mayo weekend, she was amazed as we drove through Mexicali and exclaimed " Look, they celebrate Cinco de Mayo down here too". Having been a Vons Market employee at that time for eight years, she thought it was something dreamed up by the Pochos (or Coors Brewing Co ?).

Yer probably right there Willy

jrbaja - 5-15-2005 at 01:04 PM

I'll bet I'm the kinda guy you would just love to take out and use one of your P-nche weapons on . But, better save the ammo for your patriotic paranoia cavron.:moon:

bajalou - 5-15-2005 at 01:06 PM

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Originally posted by jrbaja
That's not true if you have to work on Sundays.

When you work is TOTALY imaterial to the way you honor someone you care about!!!!

:biggrin:

Not if it's Mother's day!

jrbaja - 5-15-2005 at 01:08 PM

Dave - 5-15-2005 at 01:08 PM

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Originally posted by jrbaja
My point is that in Mexico, everyone gets the day off for Mother's Day.

Again, check your facts. Mothers day is not a federal holiday. Everyone does not get the day off.

I'mn sure there's always exceptions

jrbaja - 5-15-2005 at 01:15 PM

and I'm pretty sure you are missing my point entirely, but, down here "almost" everyone got the day off to celebrate with their Mother's. We discussed how important everyone felt that this day actually is and why they got the day off.
And since you are argueing about it, I suppose I will have to reconsider what I think about the loss of family values in the u.s. there now, I have and I was right. Pathetic to be sure!!!
Most people are aware of the decline happening not just with their dollars but life in general. Enjoy your fancy cars, condos, face lifts and killing others for oil people, that's what life is all about! :lol:

Working Mother's

MrBillM - 5-15-2005 at 01:27 PM

I've been in Baja on numerous Mother's Day holidays and there were a whole LOT of people working and businesses open.

By the way, JR, none of my numerous firearms are "P-nche" (or insignificant) and rest assured that you aren't on my list of favorite people I'd like to send on their way. You have no impact on my life and never could have so you're safe even if we meet.

And rest assured that

jrbaja - 5-16-2005 at 11:07 AM

I feel so much more "secure" now. The way I see it is that no matter how much we fight on here, chances are we would probably have a good time in Baja were we to meet.
You either have to be extremely shallow, accuse me falsely with no backup, or try and spread rumors about people for me to actually not like someone.
There are some extremely boring people on here that have nothing better to do than those things. I don't see you as being one of them.
And the ones that are them can take a flyin :moon:

eetdrt88 - 5-16-2005 at 05:52 PM

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Originally posted by jrbaja
and I'm pretty sure you are missing my point entirely, but, down here "almost" everyone got the day off to celebrate with their Mother's. We discussed how important everyone felt that this day actually is and why they got the day off.
And since you are argueing about it, I suppose I will have to reconsider what I think about the loss of family values in the u.s. there now, I have and I was right. Pathetic to be sure!!!
Most people are aware of the decline happening not just with their dollars but life in general. Enjoy your fancy cars, condos, face lifts and killing others for oil people, that's what life is all about! :lol:

I dont know if a baja based forum is the right place to discuss who really spends time with their mother on "mothers day" but jr is very correct in saying that that the quality of family life is very threatened in america...anyone who would dispute that must be wearing blinders or just not want to accept the fact that mostly due to our materialistic greed-inspired culture we have made "family home life" an old fashioned thing of the past.....which in my opinion is quite tragic

Our "culture" has damaged Family values?????

Barry A. - 5-16-2005 at 07:07 PM

It seems to me that "Family Values" are each individuals responsibility. If they are declining in the USA, and most of you think they are, apparently, then that is each individuals choice. It has nothing to do with our Capitalist Culture, it seems to me. I am a Capitalist, but my family is totally intact, and we ALL communicate with each other on practically a daily basis via e-mail, or phone. What does the pursuit of wealth and prosperity have to do with family values?? My family enjoys both, and it never occurred to us that we shouldn't. In fact, 19 members of my "family" are going to Italy together for two weeks this summer. Without our "life styles" we could not afford to do that.

Almost every member of my family enjoys Baja, and goes there as often as able, usually together. (Some members are not "into" Baja.) It certainly helps to be able to AFFORD to go, for all of us. Our life-style in the USA enables us to be able to do this------what is the problem?? Am I missing something here??

(but I still don't know how to make "smileys")

hey Barry,

eetdrt88 - 5-16-2005 at 09:52 PM

when you say "i am a capitalist",it sounds like youre part of a tough street gang or maybe some hip new wave music fad....pretty cool,i think i might pick up on that if you dont mind....maybe i'll use that term at the bar tonight and see if i can score a couple of chicks.... :biggrin:

You never know, ert---it might work----it did for me

Barry A. - 5-16-2005 at 10:17 PM

TMW - 5-17-2005 at 06:52 AM

IMHO people that think family values are declining are mostly older people who regret not being more involved with their family while either they were growing up or while their kids were growing up. On top of that add in a failed marriage to which they couild have done more but didn't.

I ask, have you failed to stay in touch and be part of your childrens life as well as other members of your family. I'm part of my kids and grandkids life and see other families having a wonderful time all around.

Perhaps it's time for some of you to help the less fortunate and bring joy to those than don't have a family, on both sides of the border.

Dave - 5-18-2005 at 11:35 AM

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Originally posted by jrbaja
Perhaps we as gringos have somewhat screwed up our priorities in life somewhere along the line?...

This would explain a lot when it comes to figuring out what happened to family values and morals in the u.s.. :barf:

Mexico idolizes it's mothers, I'll grant you that. Pity that this doesn't translate into greater respect for women in general.

Study finds discrimination against women, minorities, disabled in Mexico

By Morgan Lee
ASSOCIATED PRESS

3:39 p.m. May 16, 2005

MEXICO CITY ? Mexico's first nationwide government survey on discrimination found a majority of women, Indian minorities, the disabled and homosexuals feel they are singled out for mistreatment even though most Mexicans say they condemn such behavior, authors of the study announced Monday.

Indians and people with disabilities are the most likely to feel shut out of work opportunities, according to the study involving 5,600 interviews across Mexico conducted by the National Commission for the Prevention of Discrimination and the Social Development Department.

"Nine out of 10 people with disabilities, nine out of 10 Indians, nine out of 10 homosexuals and nine out of 10 elderly people consider that there is discrimination against their condition," Secretary of Social Development Josefina Vazquez said, while releasing highlights of the opinion survey.

"When you ask in general of Mexicans what we think of discrimination, we are accustomed to rejecting it and usually affirm that, of course, we do not agree with it."

One in three people of Indian heritage surveyed they he had been subject to discrimination in the past year, and one in five they he had been refused work for being Indian.

The study also delved into attitudes toward women and among women.

About 24 percent of Mexican men agreed that women should be given a pregnancy test when they apply for a job, and 23 percent agreed with the statement that many women are raped because they provoke men, according to the study.

Meanwhile, about 20 percent of women surveyed said women are to blame for their own bad treatment.

"When we ask Mexican men if they agree with chauvinist attitudes, almost 100 percent of the answers are the same and say under no circumstances," Vazquez said. "But immediately when we ask if the women should have equality of access (to work) they not only answer the opposite but also say women should have to do additional tasks and that some of those women should be excluded or treated differently."

Asked which part of society is most vulnerable, Mexicans singled out the elderly, followed by Indians, the disabled and people with AIDS.

Mexico amended its constitution in 2001 to make discrimination a crime and created its first government prevention programs in 2003.

Organizers of the study said Mexico was reluctant to examine how it treats women and minorities until recently.

"Until 2000, the official doctrine in Mexico sustained that there was no discrimination," said Gilberto Rincon Gallardo, president of the National Commission for the Prevention of Discrimination.

"Until now we have had intuitive perceptions of the gravity of discrimination, perceptions that this study came and confirmed."

jrbaja - 5-18-2005 at 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jrbaja
There was some blather going on regarding Cinco de Mayo and who celebrated and how much of a holiday it was in Mexico. Mostly by gringos discussing the day.
It was pointed out to me that in Mexico, Mothers day is a national holiday, where they actually respect and spend time with their Mother's rather than just making the hallmark family, delivery services and florists wealthy.
Perhaps we as gringos have somewhat screwed up our priorities in life somewhere along the line? We all have Mother's I'm pretty sure. Yet we have a national holiday for Martin Luther King Day but not one to respect our own Mother's.
This would explain a lot when it comes to figuring out what happened to family values and morals in the u.s.. :barf:

Bruce R Leech - 5-18-2005 at 12:47 PM

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Originally posted by jrbaja

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That's what

jrbaja - 5-19-2005 at 02:58 PM

I was going to say. And now, I should post a picture of somebody, right?

Bruce R Leech - 5-19-2005 at 03:19 PM

Oh

Interesting

Baja Bernie - 5-19-2005 at 04:13 PM

Baja Lou did nail it.

Sad that some people can't seem to realize that most of our Federal Holidays cost all strada of businesses in the US a ton of money when they have to pay people for not producing anything. Sadly, our fair politicians are more than willing to pass new holidays for any Tom. Dick, or Harry that comes along--It makes the masses happy and costs the government nothing.

Someone listed 25 Holidays in the US---Only 10 of these are holidays for Federal employees. Unfortunately, mothers day is not one of these because it always falls on Sunday and few Federal empoyees work on weekends and that includes those elected to their jobs.
A few PC municipal governments recognize Cinco de Mayo--Los Angles de Mexico is probably one of these.

Forty years of wandering around Baja and I never met a Mexican that didn't laugh, politely, when some gringo talked about this 'most important' Mexican Holiday.

Me No - 5-19-2005 at 04:19 PM

OK, I'll do it for you JR.

Here is a picture of JR. Not quite the quality of you know who's, but here goes.

:moon:

:lol:

JR, you are getting your ARSE kicked on this thread. Too bad you can't go back and edit all the other peoples posts, like you know who, to make you look better. :lol:

I get your point, but then again usually, I am one of the few who does.

Viva Mexico, and Viva todos los Madres. :bounce:

[Edited on 5-19-2005 by Me No]

Hear, hear, calling in the women

Gypsy Jan - 5-19-2005 at 07:33 PM

JR, you are the master of the stirring of the...stew.

Did anyone else notice that this is a very active thread talking about a woman's issue on a very testosterone heavy bulletin board? (Not that there is anything wrong about that.)

That said, I have never, ever, seen this volume of response on a subject like this in a format like this.

Bravo guys, I am glad that you are interested, but, I just wish the women would enter into to the discussion

Dave - 5-19-2005 at 07:52 PM

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Originally posted by Gypsy Jan
Bravo guys, I am glad that you are interested, but, I just wish the women would enter into to the discussion

So????

Now that I have put my foot into it

Gypsy Jan - 5-19-2005 at 08:40 PM

As someone raised on American holiday timing, I am extremely ambivalent about Mother's Day.

It's always seemed nice and comforting to have a special day that was focused on honoring an important and primary person in your life.

But, in the days before Baja, I always wondered if I was shortchanging the major female influences in my life by sending a card and/or taking them out to a restaurant for a short few hours of obeisance.

Here in Baja, the local women I know prepare for Mother's day with joy and elaborate plans.

I am not invited to their homes, this is no problem, the celebrations are about family.

But, they are connected by their decision to get involved with my family issues, and, those who know my family, some who do not, always bring me a token of respect and affection, clebrating that I am also a member of the mother club.

I have been treated to this same experience in Europe, but, never in the U.S.

Natalie Ann - 5-19-2005 at 09:37 PM

I'm not sure how this fits on the general discussion board, but it is this female's response to the Mother's Day issues raised.

I was raised in the Midwest, where we honored our mothers, fathers, grandparents, and children - each with her/his own day. I remember making cards for my mom and looking forward to treating her "like a queen" for the day. We served her breakfast in bed, gave her kisses and homemade presents and told her how much we loved her. Although now I am far away from my mom, this year I sent her a card with a long letter reminiscing about good times we've had together and a small gift; I called her that day and told her how much I love her and why.

I was raised with a clear understanding of what it means to honor some one or something, and I believe I've taught that same wonderful behavior to my son. This mother's day he made arrangements ahead of time to come to town and do grunt work in my garden. (great present and something I really looked forward to - both time with my son and much needed help in my garden) He spent the entire day working hard, and my sweet husband worked along side in honor of his mother now passed over. On the ride to get mulch, my son reminded me he loved me - and then pointed out that he would be adding my name to the registration & insurance of his new (to him) Toyota 4Runner in order that I might feel free to drive it to/through Baja. He told me that he appreciated my generosity with my vehicle during his high school and college years, and now he was in a position to repay that generosity.

I feel extremely honored - I'm still glowing from the extra love and attention. I think you'd be hard pressed to find another mother anywhere who more enjoyed her day than did I.

I did not receive a card, Hallmark or otherwise.

I like Mother's Day; I vote to keep it. And any of you who did not treat you mothers with love and attention on her special day - well, it's not too late to make it up. :saint:

Hello to all sisters

Gypsy Jan - 5-19-2005 at 10:06 PM

Keep it coming!

TMW - 5-20-2005 at 07:25 AM

Bring on the feelings of all the others
All they say from the female side
Let there be all the daughters and mothers
Let it be with no one to hide
High on a pedal it's not one to ween
But a beauty we all call a Queen
On this subject of Mothers Day
It appears we all have a say
But let it be known we'll all have to pay
Sooner or later in the month of May

by unknown

It's hard to get your arse kicked

jrbaja - 5-20-2005 at 11:20 AM

when all yer tryin to do is make some people think! And I'm pretty sure I made at least a thousand people think whether they agree or not. I consider this fairly unusual considering much of the audience I am dealing with on here.

Happy Mothers Day Wankers :lol:

Natalie

Sharksbaja - 5-20-2005 at 01:48 PM

Nice to hear. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. THAT is what I would call the epitome of a"family value". You made my earlier posts' point.
Cards are ok as a reminder that you havent forgot them but I am afraid that too many lazy people won't kill their 6am tee-off time to spoil or other wise "be" with mom.
I would be remiss if I said If I didn't support capitalism.
I bought my wife Sees' Candy, but picked her some flowers. Since my mom died after living with us for three years I decided to honor her on this board. I never missed the Day with her unless impossible but I can't remember one. Her ashes are in the river that runs by. We had a great relationship. Now, on the other hand, what if someones mother was, shall we say, not so great. That sounds pretty crass but probably has weight when it comes to the effort and actions of the children "she" raised.

As I reviewed this thread I realized that some people were put off at the notion that capitalism plays "the" major role or somehow replaces the element of (real) love. They just cash in on Americans one way or another.

I hope that this is not the case.