BajaNomad - So, what about this upheaval at Santispac?

So, what about this upheaval at Santispac?

Hook - 5-17-2005 at 10:01 AM

Have seen a couple reports on the imminent eviction of residents from the Santispac area.

While no one claims to have talked to the evictors, there must be some evictees (i.e., Santispac renters) that can confirm or deny this report.

Well, anyone??

Me No - 5-17-2005 at 01:21 PM

I evicted a few scallops from there a while back. Does that count? :tumble:

Bruce R Leech - 5-17-2005 at 01:27 PM

I haven't herd anything from anyone.

Where's Pompano?

Hook - 5-17-2005 at 04:41 PM

Some of his "suspected" fishing buddies were alluding to Santispac residents being given 30 days to clear out of there due to GRANDE development plans. This was reported on Gene Kira's site.

Also believe I saw a post on THIS site about it but I can't find it.

Somebody go by Ana's or Ray's and see what's up!

Bruce R Leech - 5-17-2005 at 05:20 PM

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Originally posted by Hook
Some of his "suspected" fishing buddies were alluding to Santispac residents being given 30 days to clear out of there due to GRANDE development plans. This was reported on Gene Kira's site.

Also believe I saw a post on THIS site about it but I can't find it.

Somebody go by Ana's or Ray's and see what's up!

how do we get to Gene Kira's site?

wornout - 5-17-2005 at 05:43 PM

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Originally posted by Bruce R Leech

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how do we get to Gene Kira's site?

By typing one letter at a time then clicking :spingrin:

I couldn't resist! Here are a few I found on Google, there are more but I didn't see anything he would own?

http://www.bajaquest.com/genekira/
http://www.bajadestinations.com/
http://www.bajadestinations.com/gene/gene.htm

Bob and Susan - 5-17-2005 at 06:01 PM

Bruce...here is the string...

You were gone and "THEY" were asking for you...
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=10389

A friend from Mulege called me

Keri - 5-17-2005 at 07:22 PM

last night and he told me they had given everyone 30 days to get out. That includes Ana's and Ray's.
Bruce why don't you go down and check it out? inquiring minds want to know.k :yes:

Bruce R Leech - 5-17-2005 at 07:27 PM

Thanks Keri . I will be asking lots of questions.

Bruce R Leech - 5-17-2005 at 07:32 PM

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Originally posted by Keri
last night and he told me they had given everyone 30 days to get out. That includes Ana's and Ray's.
Bruce why don't you go down and check it out? inquiring minds want to know.k :yes:

Keri did they say who served the papers and who had them served?

connected

mulege marv - 5-18-2005 at 05:22 AM

what is with all the trucks that are hauling in sand & gravel between Santispac & Mulege ? they are dumping tons of it everywhere along the highway, there are rumors of widing the road. :?:

they cant be putting in that many topes

Bruce R Leech - 5-18-2005 at 06:33 AM

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Originally posted by mulege marv
what is with all the trucks that are hauling in sand & gravel between Santispac & Mulege ? they are dumping tons of it everywhere along the highway, there are rumors of widing the road. :?:

they cant be putting in that many topes

they are only going to resurface part of the highway. they use the sand to mix with the asphalt .

they are not going to put in the 4 lane highway until after the new Costco is finished. :lol:

Bruce R Leech - 5-18-2005 at 08:45 AM

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Originally posted by Pompano
I just saw a Wal-Mart sign being hauled down the highway ... heading south from San Ignacio.

I hope it is done for Christmas. :lol:

bajalou - 5-18-2005 at 08:48 AM

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Originally posted by Bruce R Leech

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they cant be putting in that many topes

they are only going to resurface part of the highway. they use the sand to mix with the asphalt .

they are not going to put in the 4 lane highway until after the new Costco is finished. :lol:

They might do the four lanes there like the did in San Felipe on Mex 5, Put the second two lanes right dab on top of the first two!!

:biggrin:

Bruce R Leech - 5-18-2005 at 08:52 AM

what they do here is more like painting the high way. that is why they use sand and not gravel so they can spread it thiner. :lol:

Bruce R Leech - 5-18-2005 at 12:07 PM

this is The latest rumor at Santispac and rumor is all it is at this point . I have talked to many people this morning and none of them know anything about it . as far as I can see know one has been served with any official papers.

Stanispac

Sharksbaja - 5-18-2005 at 01:07 PM

Is the Bay owned by Ejido or privately owned?

comitan - 5-18-2005 at 01:24 PM

Its owned by an Ejido named Bonifil headquartered in La Paz.

[Edited on 5-18-2005 by comitan]

My "sources" tell me....

Hook - 5-18-2005 at 01:28 PM

.....that Santispac is owned by the ejido, that it sold for 10 million dollars and that the recent sale of one of the structures in there was halted by "officials" (which officials, I dont know) because of the impending sale of the whole Santispac area.

I dont think my "sources" work for Newsweek........ :lol:

Can a landowner in Mexico terminte lease agreements upon the sale of a property or must a new owner honor the terms of the lease?

I guess it's possible that maybe there was a termination clause in the lease or maybe they were refusing to renew leases as they came up.

Phil S - 5-18-2005 at 02:32 PM

Anyone who buys/leases without any knowledge of Spanish, is asking for it, because there could be a cancellation clause that is what is known as a "weasle clause" here in the states, that could work the same in Mexico, allowing them to cancel the lease should the ejido property sell in some future date.

Anonymous - 5-20-2005 at 07:02 AM

SANTISPAC...SOLD OR NOT! Who knows, but the rumor mill is definitely working overtime. It seems that a lot of people have nothing more to do than speculate and add to the confusion that already exists. As is the usual annual event, the rumor is circulating again this year, only with more speed and more grist. I believe that the rumor has indeed put on some weight this time and may well be true. Several local people have claimed to have connection to the ejido, either by some distant familial tie, or they know somebody who knows somebody who knows...? I have heard a number of different stories regarding the sale of Santispac. Most of these sources, I wouldn't deem knowledgeable or credible on the subject of the sale.
It is my understanding that Fonatur is indeed negotiating with the ejido, for the purchase of Santispac and some surrounding acreage. I understand further that Fonatur has agreed to buy, and the ejido has agreed to sell...all they are doing now is negotiating the amount of money and land.
Like most everybody who lives on Santispac Beach, I am a squatter. I am certain that I will be among the last to know exactly what is going on. When I built my home , I always knew that the sale of Santispac was a very real possibility. It was the risk I was willing to take.
I can assure you that the bull-dozers are not here, and I have not been asked to vacate my premise's. I have received no formal notification from anyone, official or otherwise. As far as I know, no one on Santispac Beach has received any notification.
I believe, that if a sale does occur, I will in due course be notified, and given adequate time to remove my possessions and "residence". I have yet to see a project in Mexico go so fast that I couldn't outrun it.

BeachLife

Bruce R Leech - 5-20-2005 at 07:23 AM

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Originally posted by comitan
Its owned by an Ejido named Bonifil headquartered in La Paz.

[Edited on 5-18-2005 by comitan]

some parts are and some parts are not.

Bruce R Leech - 5-20-2005 at 07:26 AM

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Originally posted by Hook
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Can a landowner in Mexico terminte lease agreements upon the sale of a property or must a new owner honor the terms of the lease?

I guess it's possible that maybe there was a termination clause in the lease or maybe they were refusing to renew leases as they came up.

just like in the U.S. it depends on the wording in the lease.

Bruce R Leech - 5-20-2005 at 07:34 AM

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Originally posted by Anonymous
SANTISPAC...SOLD OR NOT! Who knows, but the rumor mill is definitely working overtime. It seems that a lot of people have nothing more to do than speculate and add to the confusion that already exists. As is the usual annual event, the rumor is circulating again this year, only with more speed and more grist. I believe that the rumor has indeed put on some weight this time and may well be true. Several local people have claimed to have connection to the ejido, either by some distant familial tie, or they know somebody who knows somebody who knows...? I have heard a number of different stories regarding the sale of Santispac. Most of these sources, I wouldn't deem knowledgeable or credible on the subject of the sale.
It is my understanding that Fonatur is indeed negotiating with the ejido, for the purchase of Santispac and some surrounding acreage. I understand further that Fonatur has agreed to buy, and the ejido has agreed to sell...all they are doing now is negotiating the amount of money and land.
Like most everybody who lives on Santispac Beach, I am a squatter. I am certain that I will be among the last to know exactly what is going on. When I built my home , I always knew that the sale of Santispac was a very real possibility. It was the risk I was willing to take.
I can assure you that the bull-dozers are not here, and I have not been asked to vacate my premise's. I have received no formal notification from anyone, official or otherwise. As far as I know, no one on Santispac Beach has received any notification.
I believe, that if a sale does occur, I will in due course be notified, and given adequate time to remove my possessions and "residence". I have yet to see a project in Mexico go so fast that I couldn't outrun it.

BeachLife

since you are the only person that lives there that has posted here. we are very interested in your opinion and thoughts on this subject.your post is vary good, honest and informative. why don't you give it more creditability by not posting it Anonymous?

Dave - 5-20-2005 at 09:02 AM

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Originally (not) posted by Bruce R Leech
I understand further that Fonatur has agreed to buy, and the ejido has agreed to sell...all they are doing now is negotiating the amount of money and land.

If it's Fonatur that's buying, I have a word of advice for the Ejido:

Cash only.

[Edited on 5-20-2005 by Dave]

Bruce R Leech - 5-20-2005 at 09:30 AM

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Originally posted by Dave

Quote:

Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
I understand further that Fonatur has agreed to buy, and the ejido has agreed to sell...all they are doing now is negotiating the amount of money and land.

If it's Fonatur that's buying, I have a word of advice for the Ejido:

Cash only.

Dave that was posted by Anonymous not me.

Dave - 5-20-2005 at 04:54 PM

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Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
Dave that was posted by Anonymous not me.

Sorry Bruce, I fixed it.

Bruce R Leech - 5-20-2005 at 05:16 PM

no problem have a good day David.

[Edited on 5-21-2005 by Bruce R Leech]

Anonymous - 5-27-2005 at 10:45 AM

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NEITHER IS SANTISPAC OWNED BY ANY EJIDADORES NOR BY ANYBODY ELSE PRIVATELY.
IT'S FONATUR BUYING 2000 AC OF LAND AROUND MULEGE.
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I traveled from La Paz to Ensenada and back last week and know more info about that stretch than posted here.
i. e. ther is a new surface on Mex 1 around Mulege.
That was the worst stretch of all Mex 1.
i.e. there will be a new cellphone tower on a tip across the river in Mulege.
i.e. around GroNegro you might face very tough 'Pandas' w/ radar guns these days.
They know that all Pi-Gringos are leaving North in a hurry as weather warms up here in La Paz and all BCS.
Take care guys!
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[Edited on 5-27-2005 by BajaNomad]

Bruce R Leech - 5-27-2005 at 03:49 PM

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Originally posted by Anonymous
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NEITHER IS SANTISPAC OWNED BY ANY EJIDADORES NOR BY ANYBODY ELSE PRIVATELY.
IT'S FONATUR BUYING 2000 AC OF LAND AROUND MULEGE.
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I traveled from La Paz to Ensenada and back last week and know more info about that stretch than posted here.
i. e. ther is a new surface on Mex 1 around Mulege.
That was the worst stretch of all Mex 1.
i.e. there will be a new cellphone tower on a tip across the river in Mulege.
i.e. around GroNegro you might face very tough 'Pandas' w/ radar guns these days.
They know that all Pi-Gringos are leaving North in a hurry as weather warms up here in La Paz and all BCS.
Take care guys!
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[Edited on 5-27-2005 by BajaNomad]

Anonymous if you gain so much info just by driving a stretch of Highway why would you not want to shear your rumorers with us. If you tell the truth once in a while you would not need to post as Anonymous :lol:

yankeeirishman - 5-28-2005 at 09:37 AM

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Originally posted by Bruce R Leech

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This is very true about leasing land in Mexico. As said by all, READ your legalese and understand them!

For those of you that don?t have a clue what Fonatur is?..
Fonatur is Mexico?s national trust for the promotion of tourism. It has managed to mastermind the infrastructure behind modern tourism in Mexico by developing some prime coastal real estate and encouraging foreign investment in its projects.
During its history, Fonatur has developed five of Mexico?s top beach resort areas?Cancun, Ixtapa, Los Cabos, Loreto, and the Bays of Huatulco. Oh....and now recently has put San Felipe on the priroty list!

Anonymous .....I didn?t know that a formal notification from anyone(for swatters)was required!

Anonymous - 5-28-2005 at 10:57 AM

the only guys ****** ****** are
>********** Leech and the head-chicken guy -Doug Means -running all this from CA.
*******: I was in Mulege for three days > changed money w/ you. Talked to my relatives > all mexicans.
None of them knew anything about any Ejido deal in Santispac.
Maybe you are picking up your knowledge from the street surface > ***********************.
The chicken-head guy (Means) was smart: cutting me out of Nomad > blocking.
Bull********: Just turn your router down and you got a new IP.
Hey Means > did you learn from the street surface as well?
Like ********?

But I did something on purpose: A mistake in typing:
EJIDADORES is a word I invented.
But you gringo guys ***********, wanting us Mexicans to learn English down here, right?
But this is Mexico.
You gotto learn Spanish, if you want to avoid of being bulled.
Thanx the Lord mots of the gringos are leaving now.
Hopefully some aren't coming back.
Baja belongs to Mexico!!!

[Edited on 6-4-2005 by BajaNomad]

rpleger - 5-28-2005 at 11:16 AM

Touchy, Touchy.

If ones who leases land or homes in Mexico without a FM3 or better is crazy.

Bruce R Leech - 5-28-2005 at 11:47 AM

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Originally posted by Anonymous
the only guys ****** ****** are
>********** Leech and the head-chicken guy -Doug Means -running all this from CA.
*******: I was in Mulege for three days > changed money w/ you. Talked to my relatives > all mexicans.
None of them knew anything about any Ejido deal in Santispac.
Maybe you are picking up your knowledge from the street surface > ***********************.
The chicken-head guy (Means) was smart: cutting me out of Nomad > blocking.
Bull********: Just turn your router down and you got a new IP.
Hey Means > did you learn from the street surface as well?
Like ********?

But I did something on purpose: A mistake in typing:
EJIDADORES is a word I invented.
But you gringo guys ***********, wanting us Mexicans to learn English down here, right?
But this is Mexico.
You gotto learn Spanish, if you want to avoid of being bulled.
Thanx the Lord mots of the gringos are leaving now.
Hopefully some aren't coming back.
Baja belongs to Mexico!!!

[Edited on 6-4-2005 by BajaNomad]

Ah Ha now I know who you are. :light:

I was right ******* ****** :lol:

I cant believe they let you out again. :no:

every one in Mulege Knows that that beach is owned by the Ejido :lol:

[Edited on 6-4-2005 by BajaNomad]

Packoderm - 5-30-2005 at 09:54 AM

Hey Anon, why don't you go to Fred's board if you want succinctness. Leave 'ol Bruce alone; we like what he has to say - even if it is somtimes about something less than what you consider to be somthing.

Joe Friday said what? "Just the facts Sir"!

yankeeirishman - 5-30-2005 at 10:29 AM

Slimeball? And other Defamations of personalities? I am one of these Nomads that will impose my thoughts upon all when I feel they have incorrect information in their postings or responses at the post(s). I will go back and forth with my viewpoints (with other Nomads) here. What I will never do is call them a bunch of schoolyard names! These folks here are intelligent, experienced, and mostly decent (except one guy!)?. with their independent and co-op views.
I advise you in intercept some readings from the legal laws of Mexico, for your benefit. ?Like most everybody who lives on Santispac Beach, I am a squatter?. You may not get any notice! You Sir...are talking in your response without the facts that you may very depend on for being a swatter! "It seems that a lot of people have nothing more to do than speculate and add to the confusion that already exists" HUN?! Walk you talk.

[Edited on 5-30-2005 by yankeeirishman]

people that post...

eetdrt88 - 5-31-2005 at 02:40 PM

extremely lame **** and belittle others under the name "anonymous" are about as worthless as a boat in a dried up lake

Bob and Susan - 5-31-2005 at 03:10 PM

Hey Bruce and Edith....

Thanks for your help this weekend...glad you're there!!

My source say the deal is going thru....3 months

Things change....

who is ready for the new El Gallito aeropuerto?

capt. mike - 6-2-2005 at 09:13 AM

besides me...?! can't wait....paved 4000 ft. new taxiway with hangars. fuel. customs....migracion....the whole enchilada!

if/when they take Santispac they WILL do the airport, it's federally owned now. i just feel bad for Ray, but he'll probably tie in to something new on the beach.

once they bring power down watch out for the lot values at Naranjas, Suenos et al!!

think i'll get busy and buy soon - hey Bob F., if you decide to cash in and start lot splits......count me in, and there's always Vic's place.........

the only constant is change..... :bounce:

Hook - 6-2-2005 at 12:13 PM

"For what it's worth, according to today's Sudcaliforniano, tomorrow in La Paz there will be a meeting between representatives of Alfredo Bonfil Ejido and FONATUR, to sign "intention" papers as the first step in the sale of 1000 hectares of Playa Santispac to that agency."

Uh-oh, Anon will not like to hear this.

I wonder how he will blame this on Pompano or Bruce? :lol:

Sharksbaja - 6-2-2005 at 10:32 PM

That's why Bruce has been going down there lately.
Does Fonatur still do developments in Baja of did the failed attempt in Loreto years back point them at international corporations to pull it off. Of course even if they do purchase it the area it could sit idle and off-limits for years.

yankeeirishman - 6-3-2005 at 08:30 AM

Yes, Fonatur still does developments in Baja. There's currently action going on in San Felipe that I am very aware of.

Capt Mike: do you know of the improvements to come at the San Felipe Airport , slated for next year?

sure do.......

capt. mike - 6-3-2005 at 10:50 AM

terminal 1 expansion for 10 new gates. on site restaurant and lounge. passenger gift shop mall. airport business man's hotel, a la quinta franchisee. gated parking and rental car kiosks for budget, thrifty, avis and dollar. new FBO and aero training center. full services incl. engine, radio, instruments repair. charter as well as following scheduled carriers - alaska, aerocalifornia, mexicana, delta and aeromexico. connections to points south and phx, san diego, LA and seattle. connections mainland for guaymas, hermosillo, mazatlan, mex city - vallarta next year.

gonna be a big time deal, Fox will be at the opening in his
G-V

can't wait. :coolup:

ya kidding, right?

yankeeirishman - 6-3-2005 at 11:23 AM

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Originally posted by capt. mike
terminal 1 expansion for 10 new gates. on site restaurant and lounge. passenger gift shop mall. airport business man's hotel, a la quinta franchisee. gated parking and rental car kiosks for budget, thrifty, avis and dollar. new FBO and aero training center. full services incl. engine, radio, instruments repair. charter as well as following scheduled carriers - alaska, aerocalifornia, mexicana, delta and aeromexico. connections to points south and phx, san diego, LA and seattle. connections mainland for guaymas, hermosillo, mazatlan, mex city - vallarta next year.

gonna be a big time deal, Fox will be at the opening in his
G-V

can't wait. :coolup:

You know....I just cant get good "solid" data on this expansion of the airport. Would you happen to have any links to point me to? Oh?thanks for responding.
So this explains why all of south San felipe is gearing up, you think?

Cincodemayo - 6-3-2005 at 04:50 PM

Sharks...
The reason Loreto was put on hold for soooo long was that some French scammer took about 3-4 million of people's $$$ and fled back to France. It took over 10 years for the Mexican Government to get him extradited and convicted. They got him from France and he's sittin in the hoozgow in Mexico as we speak. That opened up Fonatur to start with development as it was the last of the five petals in it's logo. The first four were Cancun, Ixtapa, Zewatanejo and Cabo San Lucas. We know how they all turned out....Mucho high rises and not much back to the local economies. At least Loreto gets something out of it. That's at least one positive...We all hate rampant development but it's going to happen.

I will offer you ....

yankeeirishman - 6-3-2005 at 06:27 PM

Now that you all have the insights of a massive wave of humans coming your way....I offer to buy your homes at 25% of current value! :lol:

David K - 6-3-2005 at 06:29 PM

Capt. Mike... THAT was good! Thanks for the laugh! :lol:

Anonanon, haven't you....

Sharksbaja - 6-3-2005 at 08:39 PM

ever heard of a handle. I never knew it was more. :smug:

Damn right I am crazzzzzzzzy! So? What the heck does it have to do with this thread?

The airport

yankeeirishman - 6-4-2005 at 08:53 AM

Whoa Mike! I found a newsclip on the San Felipe airport

[Edited on 6-4-2005 by yankeeirishman]