BajaNomad - Gringo *******s

Gringo *******s

jrbaja - 6-7-2005 at 03:46 PM

I have noticed a number of folks (gringos) moving down here, planning on retiring but have done nothing to become legal to achieve this goal.
These type of people are generally the first ones to complain (whine) in some cases about the Mexican *******s going into the u.s. workforce.
It kinda cracks me up that these patriotic PG's think it's any different for a gringo ******* going into Mexico. One thing for sure, they sure don't like the label, *******. :lol:

[Edited on 6-7-2005 by BajaNomad]

JR

Baja Bernie - 6-7-2005 at 04:28 PM

Look at my first book--I talk, exactly, about that.

Bruce R Leech - 6-7-2005 at 04:36 PM

this is very common here in Mulege. I know of some people that have been her more than 10 years and have nothing.

Dave - 6-7-2005 at 05:25 PM

Turn 'em in. Call Migra.

David K - 6-7-2005 at 05:28 PM

JR, tell them to grow bamboo for you and that will give them amnesty!

Where have you heard these illegals whine about their counter-parts? How do you restrain your anger at that moment? :?:

mrchuck - 6-7-2005 at 05:34 PM

Agree 100% with jrbaja and others on this topic.
Furthermore, these people are mostly are poachers as they:

1) never get fishing licenses,
2) or boat fishing license,
3)or boat matricula papers,
4) or get the 20 year temporary importation permit for their RVtrailer they leave behind,
5)or get anFM-3 to cover their residence and quads and cars left here,
6)Work illegally chartering their boats, or do handyman projects(electrical, carpentry, reel repair, motor repair, etc) for under the table pay, bake and sell their pies, cakes, etc. for money so they can stay down here longer.

Yes, this is the"gringo" group I get a hard-on for, as they all are taking jobs away from resident Nationals.

It wouldn't bother me at all if "Migra" came thru on one of their sweeps checking immigration papers, and scooped them all up on violations.

I expect some of them will be eliminated from here when the USA requires a USA passport to get back into the USA from Mexico on Dec 31, 2006.
Yep, that is exactly what the new law states.

Saludos,,,,,mc

surfer jim - 6-7-2005 at 06:10 PM

Here we go AGAIN.... :yawn:

Bruce R Leech - 6-7-2005 at 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mrchuck
Agree 100% with jrbaja and others on this topic.
Furthermore, these people are mostly are poachers as they:

1) never get fishing licenses,
2) or boat fishing license,
3)or boat matricula papers,
4) or get the 20 year temporary importation permit for their RVtrailer they leave behind,
5)or get anFM-3 to cover their residence and quads and cars left here,
6)Work illegally chartering their boats, or do handyman projects(electrical, carpentry, reel repair, motor repair, etc) for under the table pay, bake and sell their pies, cakes, etc. for money so they can stay down here longer.

Yes, this is the"gringo" group I get a hard-on for, as they all are taking jobs away from resident Nationals.

It wouldn't bother me at all if "Migra" came thru on one of their sweeps checking immigration papers, and scooped them all up on violations.

I expect some of them will be eliminated from here when the USA requires a USA passport to get back into the USA from Mexico on Dec 31, 2006.
Yep, that is exactly what the new law states.

Saludos,,,,,mc

Ditto

Me No - 6-7-2005 at 06:28 PM

I can feel a collective shutter from the Chicken Coupers!

Roberto - 6-7-2005 at 06:42 PM

:lol:

PacO - 6-7-2005 at 07:33 PM

That chubasco is certainly warming up! I love blanket characterizations, they are always so accurate.

[Edited on 6-8-2005 by PacO]

The Sculpin - 6-7-2005 at 08:33 PM

Wages are better in the US for young mexicanos y mexicanas because the work is hard and they are best able to do it. After all, they can make in the US in one hour what it would take them a day or more at home.

Retirement is better in Mexico for the old Gringos Y Gringas because the life is easy and they are best able to do it. After all, they can make in Mexico in one hour what Social Security at home would give them for a week.

Give us your tired, your poor, your young, and we'll give you our retired!!!

pokey - 6-7-2005 at 09:33 PM

I think you guys have forgotten what it's like to HAVE to work.

When I met my future Mexican wife we had to wait 2 years for her papers to come in. During that time I supported us by commercial fishing on a purse seiner out of San Diego AND Mexico (among other jobs). I was happy to do the work and the (Mexican) captain/owner was happy to pay pay me to do the job. What's wrong with that?

I worked for 1/10 the $ in MX that I worked for In S.D or Alaska but when you need the money every little bit helps.

It's easy to pass judgement when you have a guaranteed income or are living comfortable with investments. Things are different when your wondering how your gonna pay the bills.

i'd say 75% of the people

eetdrt88 - 6-8-2005 at 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by pokey
I think you guys have forgotten what it's like to HAVE to work.

When I met my future Mexican wife we had to wait 2 years for her papers to come in. During that time I supported us by commercial fishing on a purse seiner out of San Diego AND Mexico (among other jobs). I was happy to do the work and the (Mexican) captain/owner was happy to pay pay me to do the job. What's wrong with that?

I worked for 1/10 the $ in MX that I worked for In S.D or Alaska but when you need the money every little bit helps.

It's easy to pass judgement when you have a guaranteed income or are living comfortable with investments. Things are different when your wondering how your gonna pay the bills.

on this board dont work and havent in some time

bajaruby - 6-8-2005 at 10:01 AM

Yeah! Like you and JR! :lol:

Cincodemayo - 6-8-2005 at 10:10 AM

eetdrt88...
Where in Laguna ya live? We moved in 92 and were at Legion and Catalina where all the exotic palms are...Danged house is at about 3.5 mil now!

Under the Table

Big Al - 6-8-2005 at 11:07 AM

Yeah, those Gringo *******s are really making a killing in the reel repair/pie baking industry. I bet they are pulling in fifty maybe even sixty bucks a week. Think of the taxes they are avoiding. And the out of work local must really be upset that illegal immigration is killing his income.

Come on, these retirees would be doing these same odd jobs here in the US under the table as well. Who is going to file a tax return for baking pies, electrical odds and ends and fixing reels? It fits under the catagory if misc. income and not very many retirees pay it north of the border as well. My grandmother lives alone in a senior park in Yuma and if it weren't for the neighbor contractors, her place would be falling apart. These people fill a gap inside the community in which they live. They speak the same language and people are comfortable hiring them for the task.

If you are worried about the gringos displacing the local worker in Baja than you are not seeing the big picture. I am sorry but it is not the same as the immigration problem we have north of the border.

[Edited on 6-8-2005 by Big Al]

Very funny Me No

jrbaja - 6-8-2005 at 11:17 AM

This one even brought druby back off the streets of T.J. :lol:

Damn!

But, I should clarify. It's not so much the gringos working here illegally, it's the ones who come down planning to live here (u.s.patriots?) setting up their digs or whatever without first becoming a legal rather than illegal alien.
Most everyone I know working down here have their papers in order and the ones who don't are afraid to go to work until they do.
Wonder why we haven't heard from mike humphreville on this ? :lol:

Right on, Big Al...

Mexray - 6-8-2005 at 11:34 AM

JR, what about all those '*******' gringos and medicos that volunteer so much time and provide freebie services for locals in many Mexican villages

...and all those '*******' gringos that 'sell' their cakes, cookies, and pies at public events to provide funds for various charities

...and all those '*******' gringos that collect clothes, eye glasses, etc. to give away to many needy local groups all over Mexico

...and how about those '*******' gringos that arrange to have surplus equipment and vehicles donated to Mexican villages to supplement their firefighting and emergency facilities?

Sure, some are bound to be 'illegal'...is this actually, a BIG problem - do these '*******' invade the emergency rooms and state agencies for freebies, as their namesakes do above the border - I think not!

Do the '*******' gringos spend their hard-earned, life-long earned savings in their chosen Mexican villages for housing, entertainment, food and drink, etc. - I think so!

Climb off that 'high-horse' of your's once in a while, the view of reality is better down here...

From my gringo patriotic perspective

jrbaja - 6-8-2005 at 11:43 AM

*******s is *******s. No matter which direction they came from or where they went or what they do.
And as far as my high horse goes, I suggest you take a reading comprehension course and try reading my posts again. I don't recommend taking one in the u.s. though as they don't seem to work. :lol:

And are you saying that it's 0k to come here as an illegal? Why? Because it's Mexico and gringos are "above" having to follow the rules?

Maybe something more than just the comprehension course would be in order in this case! :light:

cinco...

eetdrt88 - 6-8-2005 at 11:45 AM

i live in Laguna canyon right next to the "Sawdust Festival" where my wife and I will be all summer selling her art...she does copper enameling and we will be showing some new designs this year so it should be very fun....if you or any other nomads are in the area and interested in checking out the show let me know and i will gladly get you in for free and the first beer is on me,oh and btw they have some great music going on there from 10-10 everyday....here is a link to her website and the festivals website....http://www.setterholmenameling.com/ http://www.sawdustartfestival.org/

JESSE - 6-8-2005 at 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jrbaja
I have noticed a number of folks (gringos) moving down here, planning on retiring but have done nothing to become legal to achieve this goal.
These type of people are generally the first ones to complain (whine) in some cases about the Mexican *******s going into the u.s. workforce.
It kinda cracks me up that these patriotic PG's think it's any different for a gringo ******* going into Mexico. One thing for sure, they sure don't like the label, *******. :lol:

[Edited on 6-7-2005 by BajaNomad]

I am starting a hombreminuto group to patrol the borders :lol:

*******s

Big Al - 6-8-2005 at 04:01 PM

A ******* is used to describe illegal entry into the country. We all know the story if its derivation. The gringos heading south enter the country legally and then perform illegal commerce. or stay for illegal periods of time. Whether you want to admit it or not, this is different than waiting until the cover of night and slipping accross the border with 100 other people to enter the country for the specific purpose of illegal activities. One situation definatley creates serious social and financial situations. The other is more or less a matter of a beurocratic process and has very, and I a mean very, little impact on the lives of Baja Californians. The net effect on their lives is definately a positive effect not the other way around.

If the republicans didn't want all of the cheap labor and the democrats didn't want all of the potential union members and democratic party members, illegal immigration would have been halted long ago. Our vegetables may be cheap, but we are paying the price somewhere else one way or the other. I say, let the free market determine the price of our salads. If the farmers have to pay a decent wage to get lazy gringos off the welfare buffet and into the fields then let the wages and prices rise.

Wow, where did that rant come from?

And yes I do know what it was like to work in the fields. When I was a kid we would work in the fields in Washinton state picking berries, bulbs, cucumbers and anything else that would pay us enough to buy a new skateboard at the end of the summer.

Big Al

gringos

mulege marv - 6-9-2005 at 06:34 AM

wow, i dont know you jrbaja but by your posts you seem very angry and bitter. i dont think i have read a post of yours that was positive about any gringos. i could be wrong but i dont think the legal thing really enters into it, it seems to me you just dont like gringos (even though you will throw in the just kidding, or "stirring it up" at the end of the post). but like i said i dont know you and may be way out in left field. we moved here legally (FM3, fidi comiso, fishing liciences, boat permits, etc.) my wife and i do as much as we can for the local community, she is a medical professional and does volunteer work in the local clinic. we brought nothing with us with the exception of personal items, and purchased all our furniture, etc. everything in mexico. without going into to much detail we have given more to the community than we have taken. we have many mexican friends who we have EARNED the respect of, and we respect them. i believe the only impact we have had on mexico has been a positve one, but in some peoples eyes i guess being american we will always be "p***** gringos", to bad really, i thought we were leaving the stereotyping in the states. Mexray you hit it right on the head !

[Edited on 6-9-2005 by mulege marv]

David K - 6-9-2005 at 08:15 AM

Good Job Marv!

That's the way it should be, me thinks!

JR

Baja Bernie - 6-9-2005 at 08:31 AM

At least the govenment of the US has not yet provided manuels on how to break into Baja.

I just bought a new paddle--should I drop it off next time I am down your way??? :lol:

""That chubasco is certainly warming up! I love blanket characterizations, they are always so accurate."

PacO what a nice way to describe the blowing of hot air.

Not supposed to talk about *******s?

jrbaja - 6-9-2005 at 10:05 AM

I guess living here for the last few years, I see things a little differently than the occasional tourist would in a week or two vacation.
And, I talk about them in the hopes that some aren't so patrioticallty blinded that they listen and try to act a little better than the majority of these obnoxious folks.

When anyone else says something about it they are labeled N-zi or anti american or who knows what. Because I am a gringo, I feel I have the right to comment on what I see.

According to the patriots on this board, I foresee bookburnings in the near future and everyone having to drink boxed whine and build homes in bola.

And as far as bitter goes, it's more embarrassment for my fellow americans. That's why so many lie and say they are from Canada, which to me doesn't make much difference!

And, anyone who actually does do things legally and helps their community should not take my generalizations personally!

Cincodemayo - 6-9-2005 at 10:36 AM

eetdrt...
Is Bill still doing glass? How about Marcia Klass and her masks? Many great times at the Sawdust with all the artistic fireman back in the 80's! We'd know everyone and get in free..same with the Pageant of the Masters. Kenny Loggins at the Irvine Bowl...those were the days.

rpleger - 6-9-2005 at 02:33 PM

Right on jr.
You forgot to mention to shop local.
Here in Mulege there is not much that they don`t sell local anymore yet we see coolers of frozen meat and vans full of CosCo stuff everytime another PG returns from the north.

Besides all the legal stuff JR mentions

Sallysouth - 6-9-2005 at 02:43 PM

Hey Cincodemayo and eetdrt! I drove by your house today(Cinco) on the way to my dentist! I always loved those palms. Great location.And my step-son has been working at the Sawdust for some weeks now, hauling lumber and building booths.I'll be sure to stop and say hi when we go (to the Sawdust). :yes:

Cincodemayo - 6-9-2005 at 02:48 PM

Thanks Sally! Spent many a day relandscaping that casa as well as $$$$ in plants and sweat labor! The family that bought it has kept it up very well...

Cincodemayo - 6-9-2005 at 02:53 PM

Sally...Sure miss getting home from work or the Fire Dept and grabbin the fins to bodysurf away the last few hours of the day then hit the White House for c-cktails...

Sallysouth - 6-9-2005 at 03:21 PM

Oh Yeah! Well back in "those days" The White House was the place for good music and dancin' the nite away! And I was probably surfing at Doho while you were bodysurfing! My hubby grew up in the canyon, the old greenish a-type frame house! BTW, sorry to stray from the origin post so I'll sign myself off as a PG!!! :biggrin:

Do you know Dr. Judy, my dentist? He is still an avid surfer!

[Edited on 6-9-2005 by Sallysouth]

Cincodemayo - 6-9-2005 at 03:27 PM

Know him well...tell him Dave Dahl says howdy! His wife passed away shortly before we moved up to the Pacific NW...He must own half of Laguna by now!

Cincodemayo - 6-9-2005 at 03:31 PM

Speaking of the original post did Laguna build the "Laborer" pickup in the canyon by Laguna Lumber? I remember John Lara did many cartoons about that heated subject! Is he still around too? He did many of the murals down in Cabo at the Giggling Marlin....

Hahahahaha

jrbaja - 6-9-2005 at 03:40 PM

I would occasionally get workers from that spot by Laguna Lumber. Good memories!

Cincodemayo - 6-9-2005 at 03:51 PM

JR...
The City sure caught mucho flak for legitimizing hiring illegals which the employers if caught by Immigration could be fined a grand per infraction. But at the same time they'd be great workers and certainly outwork all the whitefolk!

Sallysouth - 6-9-2005 at 04:57 PM

Now this is funny! JR hiring "illegals"! They are the hardest working guys around and it really helps if you speak their language.I don't know what we would do without them. Just joshin' ya JR! I just made a call to my hubby to ask about Dr. Marks wifes' passing. Cincodemayo, which wife were you refering to? He has been married three times and his present wife was recently diagnosed with cancer. I did'nt ask how she was when I saw him today. It was'nt the "Contessa" was it? She was his wife # 2. Gonna ask about the Laguna Laborer when he gets home. he knows every one and every thing about Laguna.Maybe he knows you? Keep on keepin'on, Sally

yea,it was the funniest thing i've ever seen

eetdrt88 - 6-9-2005 at 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cincodemayo
JR...
The City sure caught mucho flak for legitimizing hiring illegals which the employers if caught by Immigration could be fined a grand per infraction. But at the same time they'd be great workers and certainly outwork all the whitefolk!

a bunch of bored white people holding signs standing out in front of the labor yard....hardcore laguna beach protestors :lol:

hey,thats funny

eetdrt88 - 6-9-2005 at 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cincodemayo
Sally...Sure miss getting home from work or the Fire Dept and grabbin the fins to bodysurf away the last few hours of the day then hit the White House for c-cktails...

thats what i've been doing every day after work for the last 2 weeks...sunset bodysurfing missions....nothing beats it :yes:

Cincodemayo - 6-9-2005 at 05:40 PM

Sally..
It was the latter part of the 80's...His gardner was a high school buddy that was renting a house from Dr. J on Glenneyre...His name is Tim Sanchez and worked for him for years. He's still in Laguna up by TJ street up Thalia Street. His wife is Dutch and her name is Peggy. What a mix their kids are...Dutch and Mexican!

Cincodemayo - 6-9-2005 at 05:43 PM

eetdrt...
The only thing about all the illegals in the canyon is they were very rude to all the gals..wolf whistles, gross stuff as they walked to all their Laguna Canyon jobs. The cops would drive and harass them afterwards if they saw anything...but for the most part they just wanted work and with all the building in Laguna and Whiteport Beach there was plenty of work.

Cincodemayo - 6-9-2005 at 05:46 PM

Yep sure miss the waves below the Laguna Surf condos....and IN-N-OUT burgers. Nothin beats a Double Double, fries and large lemonade...

yankeeirishman - 6-9-2005 at 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jrbaja
*******s is *******s. No matter which direction they came from or where they went or what they do.
And as far as my high horse goes, I suggest you take a reading comprehension course and try reading my posts again. I don't recommend taking one in the u.s. though as they don't seem to work. :lol:

According to Mexican officials, 200,000 Americans are living illegally in Mexico, some of the "drybacks" have been attracted to Mexico by the promise of NAFTA-inspired jobs. There are 150,000 Americans registered with Mexico's National Migration Institute as permanent residents, and two million Americans visit Mexico every year as tourists.
http://migration.ucdavis.edu/mn/more.php?id=392_0_2_0

pearl street...

eetdrt88 - 6-9-2005 at 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cincodemayo
Yep sure miss the waves below the Laguna Surf condos....and IN-N-OUT burgers. Nothin beats a Double Double, fries and large lemonade...

or st.anns are great bodysurfing beaches...i always hit up Adolfo's tacos afterwards for great tacos and cheap pitchers :tumble:

Dave - 6-9-2005 at 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by yankeeirishman
According to Mexican officials, 200,000 Americans are living illegally in Mexico

Interesting but:

How would they know? They don't even have an anywhere close to accurate census of how many Mexicans live in Mexico.

Me No - 6-9-2005 at 10:04 PM

:lol:

An Open Letter To Illegal Aliens

yankeeirishman - 6-9-2005 at 11:11 PM

An Open Letter To Illegal Aliens

It wasn't that those old Indians
had such bad immigration laws,
It's just that you
European *******s came
in such vast numbers,
the Sioux and Comanche border patrol
couldn't keep up.

I never said I hired "illegals"

jrbaja - 6-10-2005 at 11:45 AM

and in fact a good many of those workers had their green cards.
But, the fact was they could outwork any of those surfer kids blindfolded and they would show up for work on Monday without some sort of hangover! :light:

sad but true

Sharksbaja - 6-10-2005 at 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jrbaja
and in fact a good many of those workers had their green cards.
But, the fact was they could outwork any of those surfer kids blindfolded and they would show up for work on Monday without some sort of hangover! :light:

Amen...

thats because...

eetdrt88 - 6-10-2005 at 05:07 PM

Quote:

surfer kids dont want to work,they want to surf.....work is for people who dont surf,don't fish,don't ride,etc.etc.etc..... :lol:

Sallysouth - 6-11-2005 at 09:23 AM

JR, You
are right about the "workers" and just how hard they work! Did you ask to see their green cards? I know I never did! We didn't care as long as they did the work expected of them and they always did.

Yep

jrbaja - 6-11-2005 at 10:58 AM

We always asked to see their green cards. These guys worked harder to get up there and did it legally. I thought it would be the least I could do to respect their efforts.
I have many stories from running const. crews and who the best learners and workers were. Let's just say that none of their last names were Smith! :lol:

Outrage

MrBillM - 6-11-2005 at 11:03 AM

It's interesting to note the supposed outrage over the Gringo *******s. Especially since the Liberals among us seem to be the most outraged. They seem to have no problems with the illegals in the U.S.

Let's make a deal and agree that ALL illegals in both countries should be thrown out and only those of us (and THEM) who have legal status should be able to remain. Works for Me !

Hey Bill

jrbaja - 6-11-2005 at 11:11 AM

Having a green card meant they were legal to be in the u.s. to work. But, if all the illegal aliens were thrown out of Mexico, it wouldn't make a great deal of difference because there is more money generated locally from international tourism. Of course the gringo realtors would sure suffer!
If all the illegals were thrown out of the u.s., your world would come to a screeching halt.

I Doubt It

MrBillM - 6-11-2005 at 12:27 PM

I just don't believe that we need the illegal alien workforce. If they were not there, life would go on pretty much as it is, at least for me. When the Farm Workers who picked lettuce were unionized, it didn't change the price to any degree so it is likely that food costs would not rise over a percent or two. The same applies to menial labor such as hotel maids, etc. Of course, to me a class hotel is a Days Inn or Super 8. I've noticed that the hotel workers at those locations have been a mixture of Hispanics, Blacks, Indians, Pakistanis, and even whites so it would appear that there is an available labor force.

If construction costs rise, that's OK, too. I don't plan on buying a house and we need to put a lid on rampant expansion.

The last gardener I hired to trim trees was a White guy so I don't think he's leaving. Same thing for the last plumber, the last mechanic and the last carpenter.

I'm all for giving it a try to find out what the truth is.

As far as clearing out a lot of U.S. Corporation dollars from Mexico, I can't see anything but good.

Bob and Susan - 6-11-2005 at 12:40 PM

Actually JR is right?

There is a NEED for the illegal immigrant workforce.
Our comfort level would suffer if these workers were gone.

As we continue to educate our children, and increase the quality of our lifestyle, the children seem not to want to do lower end work for lower pay.

Actually the government LOVES to have dollars sent home to other countries because these people tend to hoard them thinking they are more stable than pesos.

Since we MAKE the dollars for FREE the US Government wins. It?s only paper and if it isn?t cashed the government is MAKING money!!!

Dave - 6-11-2005 at 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jrbaja
Of course the gringo realtors would sure suffer!

Are you kidding? They would love it. It would mean that they could re-sell all the property.

Sharksbaja - 6-11-2005 at 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jrbaja
But, if all the illegal aliens were thrown out of Mexico, it wouldn't make a great deal of difference because there is more money generated locally from international tourism.

That's quite as statement there JR. You are saying that proportionally, we (Americans) don't contribute a signifigant amount of money to Merxico. I digress.

Don't forget the billions earned and sent south by illegals.

Here are the proportions JR. It looks as though the U.S. is in fact the major player here.

It says that out of 18.6 million tourists 17 million were Americans

well spoken...

eetdrt88 - 6-11-2005 at 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jrbaja
Having a green card meant they were legal to be in the u.s. to work. But, if all the illegal aliens were thrown out of Mexico, it wouldn't make a great deal of difference because there is more money generated locally from international tourism. Of course the gringo realtors would sure suffer!
If all the illegals were thrown out of the u.s., your world would come to a screeching halt.

in fact they made a whole movie about it...its called "A day without a Mexican"...heres the linkhttp://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&id=1808568971&cf=pstills&intl=us

[Edited on 6-11-2005 by eetdrt88]

Like I said

jrbaja - 6-11-2005 at 03:39 PM

the tourism industry generates more money than the gringo *******s who are living here. Did I stutter? :lol:

bajaden - 6-11-2005 at 07:31 PM

I for one have never liked the word *******, but then I never liked the word licorice either. Something about the sound of it. I must confess that I'am ignorant of the laws of Mexico as portending to immirgation. I must assume Jr, that you beleive, or know to be true, that there are a lot of illegal gringos in baja. I know that I have met people in my travels that have taken up residence in baja and still come and go with travel visa's. I myself rent a place all year round in baja, but usually come down for only a month every year. I don't know if that makes me illegal or just finnancially stupid. I'am however moving down permanently this july and plan on getting my fm3 papers. All I know is that after 9 11 the gringos stopped coming down in their ususal numbers and the town of Mulege suffered. I think were good for the economy even if some of us don't have the best of intentions. I will say Jr, that despite your crusty exterior, you seem OK to me. Now hows that for sucking up.

Its no fun having a battle of wits with unarmed people

Mnmmmm

yankeeirishman - 6-11-2005 at 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bajaden
I for one have never liked the word *******, but then I never liked the word licorice either. Something about the sound of it. I must confess that I'am ignorant of the laws of Mexico as portending to immirgation. I must assume Jr, that you beleive, or know to be true, that there are a lot of illegal gringos in baja. I know that I have met people in my travels that have taken up residence in baja and still come and go with travel visa's. I myself rent a place all year round in baja, but usually come down for only a month every year. I don't know if that makes me illegal or just finnancially stupid. I'am however moving down permanently this july and plan on getting my fm3 papers. All I know is that after 9 11 the gringos stopped coming down in their ususal numbers and the town of Mulege suffered. I think were good for the economy even if some of us don't have the best of intentions. I will say Jr, that despite your crusty exterior, you seem OK to me. Now hows that for sucking up.

Its no fun having a battle of wits with unarmed people

GUTs! I like this guy :lol:

rts551 - 6-11-2005 at 08:37 PM

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Originally posted by MrBillM
. I've noticed that the hotel workers at those locations have been a mixture of Hispanics, Blacks, Indians, Pakistanis, and even whites so it would appear that there is an available labor force.

but good.

Even Whites????? Hmmmmmm you mean they do jobs as low as that

oops,brain fart....

Sharksbaja - 6-12-2005 at 12:29 AM

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Originally posted by jrbaja
the tourism industry generates more money than the gringo *******s who are living here.

r something went amuck with that post! Must have been the other me again :lol:

(sigh) (sniffle) (sniffle)

Seriously though, how many cheaters could there really be in Baja.

dono - 6-12-2005 at 05:25 AM

Here in Los Barriles we have immigrations raids at least a couple times a year, usually its the same person that tries to cause problems, she doesn't like the competition, but the last time they deported anyone was about 8 yrs ago.

MH_Stevens - 6-12-2005 at 07:00 AM

This is a great thread, so will someone direct me to a list of all the things one should do and all the licenses one should get to be legal on an extended stay in Baja.

Big Al - 6-12-2005 at 12:03 PM

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Actually the government LOVES to have dollars sent home to other countries because these people tend to hoard them thinking they are more stable than pesos.

Since we MAKE the dollars for FREE the US Government wins. It?s only paper and if it isn?t cashed the government is MAKING money!!!

You are kidding right? If the US needs more money we just print more? If it were that simple why do we have a national debt in the trillions? You can't just print more money when you need a little extra. The closest thing to printing your own money is done by Arabian oil and drug growers.

Dollars are cash you don't have to cash them.

Big Al - 6-12-2005 at 12:20 PM

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I will admit that I have hired illegals in the past and actually from a humanitarian perspective felt good about. But in the big picture, I realize that this is not good for our country. As far as hangovers are concerned, The illegal community drinks more than their fair share. When I would hire one of these day laborers on a Saturday they would rarely return on Sunday because they drank much of the previous days earnings. Some guys I would have to hold on to the money and pay them after the second day because they did not trust themselves to not spend it on booze. I new one guy quite well. He lived in Penasquitos canyon in a make shift community. He did not drink, so on Satuday and Sunday mornings he would clean up all of the scattered empty cans of Bud while the rest of camp was sleeping it off. I would take him and his 4-6 bags of empty cans to the recycler every week. He called it his weekly bonus.

I am not trying to bag on this community, it is actually quite sad that 20-30% of their efforts is wasted on beer. Most of the guys I hired were hard workers and some skated by. That sounds just like my office of legal gringos.

If this country would come to a halt if they were removed from the country, than that is proof that the situation is worse than most people realize.

Raise wages for these jobs to a decent wage and get every able body off of public assistance and we will solve two problems. When these crappy jobs pay less than welfare, why should they work at all. The only people working at these jobs are illegals because they can't get welfare. Although, there are some out there that would like to grant them that benefit as well as the others they now enjoy.

As a ******* American, head to your closest hospital south of the border and try and get your health needs, emergency or not, taken care of for free. It won't happen. In fact they may not treat you at all unless you pay in advance.

Big Al

[Edited on 6-13-2005 by Big Al]