BajaNomad - Kids like mine...read here too!

Kids like mine...read here too!

yankeeirishman - 6-21-2005 at 07:28 PM

My Kids...read here too!
You know?I have a great ten year old that?s sooooo hyped up about Baja. He loves to browse here. My two grandkids read here too, but only once in a while do they read the forum. The fishing pictures are what little Nicky goes for. Oh?and the camping stories that are here?he loves em too.
So now my point to this post here?. PLEASE refrain from doing partial letters, or insinuations of the word, and whatever else you deemed to be a submitter for the harsh words of the ?F? words.
Please! Be cool. You got to understand if your a parent.

[Edited on 6-22-2005 by Q87]

Dave - 6-21-2005 at 07:55 PM

Yankeeirishman, all due respect but I don't want to share in your parental responsibilites. Don't ask us what not to write. Tell him what not to read.

[Edited on 6-22-2005 by Dave]

Bruce R Leech - 6-21-2005 at 07:58 PM

I think this is rated R or at least PG . I would not let my kids on here. and I would not want to censer the posts that much either . there is a Barney forum for the kids. besides do you want your kids to learn how to spell from me?

try this you might like it to I do.
http://pbskids.org/barney/

[Edited on 6-22-2005 by Bruce R Leech]

Sharksbaja - 6-21-2005 at 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by yankeeirishman
My Kids...read here too!
Please! Be cool. You got to understand if your a parent.

UPDATE:
Oh....now we got nude pictures here. Just great!

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Have you ever been to one of their forums???? Enlightening!

Bruce R Leech - 6-21-2005 at 07:59 PM

were Biting

[Edited on 6-22-2005 by Bruce R Leech]

aaawwww c'mon dave....

eetdrt88 - 6-21-2005 at 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dave
Yankeeirishman, all due respect but I don't want to share in your parental responsibilites. Don't tell us what not to write. Tell him what not to read.

[Edited on 6-22-2005 by Dave]

you mean yankee cant make up the rules for everyone on this entire board....youre gonna ruin the guys day with a comment like that :lol:

yankeeirishman - 6-21-2005 at 08:00 PM

Quote:

All due respect noted.
BUT..."Don't tell us what not to write". I didnt! I asked! Problem with that? Asking. I noted that you didnt have to use the word here (above)...thanks!

[Edited on 6-22-2005 by yankeeirishman]

Dave - 6-21-2005 at 08:05 PM

Point noted. I will edit my post.

Oso - 6-21-2005 at 08:06 PM

Doug's software doesn't let us spell it out anyway.

yankeeirishman - 6-21-2005 at 08:09 PM

Thank you Sir!

I would be the FIRST guy here to yell no editing! :cool:

I just really really really want my young son to enjoy this great forum!

Dave - 6-21-2005 at 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by yankeeirishman
Thank you Sir!

I would be the FIRST guy here to yell no editing! :cool:

I just really really really want my young son to enjoy this great forum!

And he still can. I think what you meant was:

I just really really really want my young son to enjoy this great forum! (without my having to monitor his viewing.)

Tucker - 6-21-2005 at 08:19 PM

Right on Dave!

Bruce R Leech - 6-21-2005 at 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by yankeeirishman
Thank you Sir!

I would be the FIRST guy here to yell no editing! :cool:

I just really really really want my young son to enjoy this great forum!

Sorry Yankee I thought you were trolling. I think you can tell that I am not a person that uses bad language in my every day life and I certainly don't use it here. but I also think that most people on this forum will agree that it is an adult forum and so Let your children use it with care.

yankeeirishman - 6-21-2005 at 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
I think this is rated R or at least PG . I would not let my kids on here. and I would not want to censer the posts that much either . there is a Barney forum for the kids. besides do you want your kids to learn how to spell from me?

try this you might like it to I do.
http://pbskids.org/barney/

[Edited on 6-22-2005 by Bruce R Leech]

Yes true!
Again.... I was ***asking*** for the f word to not be used (or anything that looks like it, to imply). Not demanding.
Yes...I did do a complaint on it (the response)...I see that it's not up here anymore. Hopefully it was done by eetdrt88 on his own.

What better places can a kid read and sees the TRUE Baja, here at the forums? Let the kids here, read here! Let em learn and feel the Baja as we feel it! It?s better than 7 hours in a classroom. Garbage harsh words are really not needed to convey your thoughts here, are they? No.

Bruce R Leech?you say Barney to my kids, they?ll skin you alive! Say ?Xbox? :cool:

Hey...I promised not to troll....I keep my word!

[Edited on 6-22-2005 by yankeeirishman]

Bruce R Leech - 6-21-2005 at 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by yankeeirishman

Quote:

Hey...I promised not to troll....I keep my word!

[Edited on 6-22-2005 by yankeeirishman]

oh..

yankeeirishman - 6-21-2005 at 08:28 PM

I love you too!

Bruce, I think that you made the most important point

Gypsy Jan - 6-21-2005 at 08:31 PM

"Do you want your kids to learn to spell from me?"

Nooooo!

yankeeirishman - 6-21-2005 at 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dave

Quote:

Originally posted by yankeeirishman
Thank you Sir!

I would be the FIRST guy here to yell no editing! :cool:

I just really really really want my young son to enjoy this great forum!

And he still can. I think what you meant was:

I just really really really want my young son to enjoy this great forum! (without my having to monitor his viewing.)

Yes. Exactly. Dave...."put another star next to your name, you earned it from me for being a good sport!

[Edited on 6-22-2005 by yankeeirishman]

forum

Anonymous - 6-22-2005 at 05:51 AM

there are too many rules about everything already. The U.S. has thought of a rule or law to cover just about anything fun. i believe this forum is for adults, there are plenty of sites for kids and i dont think this is one of them. censorship has gone crazy ever since that ****** janet jackson super bowl deal, and im getting pretty tired of it. to each his own though, but i think it should remain "R" rated and a site geared toward adults.

BajaNomad - 6-22-2005 at 06:21 AM

The BajaNomad forums have been, and will continue to be moderated in a fashion that is more "PG-13" rated.

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Parents Strongly Cautioned. Some material may be inappropriate for children under 13.
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Osprey - 6-22-2005 at 06:53 AM

Sharks

Here's the Tennessee Williams drama you were lookin' for. I know a couple ladies who left the board because of The Yank. Knowing that, now, he may want to exercise parental control over the board so his son won't see "his" posts. It wasn't the cursing -- just the vitriol.

A couple "ladies"

jrbaja - 6-22-2005 at 08:45 AM

left because of some remarks? :lol:

Good riddance!
What ever happened to the strong women who make sense rather than live desperate housewife lives?
I'm sure there is a knit one pearl two site for these types!And it ain't here, or in Baja!

Bitterly abusive feeling or expressions? You forgot murderer...!

yankeeirishman - 6-22-2005 at 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Osprey
Sharks

Here's the Tennessee Williams drama you were lookin' for. I know a couple ladies who left the board because of The Yank. Knowing that, now, he may want to exercise parental control over the board so his son won't see "his" posts. It wasn't the cursing -- just the vitriol.

DUDE! This forum is more like a huge arena, full of the world?s best debate topics! And to me?that?s exactly what it is sometimes. I have no ?feelings? present as I write. I certainly hope that you don?t sit behind your p.c. and get into a heated drama from the readings you get from this forum. It?s not worth it. Don?t kick the dog there at your feet either.
The frank, harsh responds I do are not office politics or a popularity contest for me. I had a run in with BajaBlackie that was totally nasty, no question about that! But..in real life, if I ever meet the guy?.I?ll buy him a beer and have good times! Bitterly abusive feeling or expressions do not apply to him in real life?or in his responses to me. I just don?t agree with 99% of the posts he does. Did he leave the forum too? No.
Those two ladies that you ?claim? to know?. I doubt your words speak the truth. Perhaps since you are a writer, you can concentrate on being creative with some good stories here at the forum instead of trying to define me. BTW. the topic was the use of foul words.

[Edited on 6-22-2005 by yankeeirishman]

[Edited on 6-22-2005 by yankeeirishman]

What The F ...?

MrBillM - 6-22-2005 at 09:14 AM

This has certainly been an F....ing revelation to me. I agree that all of those P..che, G..D... A..holes who spout continuous S..t all F...ing day long should take their proxy parental responsibilities seriously and not use gratuitous F...ing profanity.

Any kid who is old enough to be in school and use a computer probably hears all of those words (without letters missing) every day, usually from his friends. The responsibility of a parent is to instruct his own child in such a way that he realizes that there are things in life that he should not emulate, no matter how common they are. It worked with my kids.

Bruce R Leech - 6-22-2005 at 10:16 AM

Now I suppose Doug is going to be told to outlaw ... If you outlaw .... then only outlaws will have .....

go Broncos

[Edited on 6-22-2005 by Bruce R Leech]

Osprey - 6-22-2005 at 10:20 AM

Yank, now get on the board with your boy and show him it OK for him to call board members liars.

PacO - 6-22-2005 at 10:46 AM

No offense, but unless your kid's been hiding in a closet there aren't any words or implications on here that he won't be able to decide for himself with the upbringing you have given him that are within guidelines you set and approve of. When you're not around he's saying whatever he wants to his bro's, which makes him a normal kid, and then he will filter it around his folks. The glass bubble upbringing never existed.

Cincodemayo - 6-22-2005 at 10:52 AM

How dare you post a picture of that gay dinosaur! :biggrin:

Go Broncos?

DanO - 6-22-2005 at 11:50 AM

Now that's what I call offensive.

Anyway, on the topic, my eight and nine year old don't access any site without an adult present and participating, and parental controls are all enabled on our computer. There is too much garbage out there that they just aren't emotionally equipped to deal with at their age, and it's our responsibility as parents to guide them away from it and towards things that are educational and fulfilling. It's the least we can do to try to reverse the rotting of their brains caused by Gameboys.

Asking people not to use certain language on this forum may be a well-intentioned attempt to carry out that responsibility, but the problem is that it impinges on the rights of the users here to express themselves in a manner consistent with the rules of the board. As Doug put it, this is at least a PG-13 forum, and parental discretion is advised. Since in my fairly cynical world view only Candide would trust an entire online community to "post nice" for the kiddies, I'd keep them off unless I checked all content first.

El Camote - 6-22-2005 at 12:58 PM

Amen, DanO!! :spingrin:

Thanks for the well thought out, rational reply. :yes:

flocking right on Dano

jrbaja - 6-22-2005 at 01:26 PM

and Mr. Bill. See there, we actually see eye to eye on some flocking things! :lol:

Sharksbaja - 6-22-2005 at 01:55 PM

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Oh, methinks they could have played it up a little more. They need more back-bone in order to counter adult posts and replys. How many children would understand this boards many underlying (adult)messages embedded in various threads.
I would say that being an average age of 52 here, stirs up conversation that would hold zero interest for kids. I have not even been aware of a juvenile poster on the Nomad forum. Has there been any?

One thing is for sure; I wouldn't want my kids emulating some of the participants behavior as read here.

pokey - 6-22-2005 at 01:59 PM

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One thing is for sure; I wouldn't want my kids emulating some of the participants behavior as read here.

Yeah I'd have to agree with that

Say what ???

jrbaja - 6-22-2005 at 02:17 PM

"I have not even been aware of a juvenile poster on the Nomad forum." :lol:

Bruce R Leech - 6-22-2005 at 02:26 PM

juvenile juvenile can you say that here? :lol:

PacO - 6-22-2005 at 03:36 PM

Code:

How many children would understand this boards many underlying (adult)messages embedded in various threads.

My juveniles would understand it. However, I've never talked down to them either...... they'd just think we're all a bunch of dipchiites. :lol:

Smart Kids there Paco!!!

jrbaja - 6-22-2005 at 04:14 PM

bajalera - 6-22-2005 at 09:50 PM

Trying to shield kids from other people's foul language and hissy fits has always struck me as unrealistic. Instead of asking Nomads to clean up their act, it might be more practical to tell the kid, yeah, that's the way some guys talk and behave--but that's not what we do.

And Yankee, I'll have to agree with whoever pointed out your past posts here. A couple of times your downright viciousness struck me as being unusual for this board.

Lera

flock, sorry I missed it!

jrbaja - 6-22-2005 at 10:19 PM

gringette - 6-22-2005 at 11:17 PM

how about substituting the term "effing" or "f*bomb" for the other word? I'm trying to use that instead of the other myself... gotten in the bad habit of a speaking like a sailor meself...

The typed word

John M - 6-23-2005 at 07:25 AM

So this is determined by some posters that it ought to be an adult forum? I believe I read that BajaNomad suggests he tries to moderate it to be a sort of PG-13. A bit of a difference I'd offer.

So, where do the "objectional" phrases fit in? Since some use quotaion marks to emphasize their words "...F..." or whatever, that makes it ok? That makes the posting a PG-13?

My view is that Yankeeirishman's thought - that it ain't hard to refrain from using particular words on this forum has merit.

Perhaps those who use words, phrases, and expressions that Yankeeirishman and others feel might be inappropriate for the younger readers feel that they are the staunchest supporters of free speech. Maybe so.

I, for one, do not feel it is a free speech issue at all (at least not in this forum). Perhaps now that there is a beginning to acknowledge the fact we have younger readers, and "cleaning up" the words and phrases can be deemed as more of a courtesy than anything else.

Still, I suppose there will be the posters who have no concern for younger readers, or may feel that these youngsters better get with it and just deal with whatever and wherever words and phrases appear.

There are other ways to express displeasure or disapproval of a position.

Are there those who believe that the use of these "objectional" words displays the best in mature writing skills?

John M.

Bruce R Leech - 6-23-2005 at 08:50 AM

John M you are correct in some ways . some people like you and I don't use what I call bad words in our every day life and so we don't use them to express our selves here either. so in that way other people kind of know where we are coming from. But other people use a More colorful language in their every day life and so to express themselves in writing a story they use this stile.I like it they use there own words when writing I get to know and understand them better . It is just like reading a book or watching a movie it is hard to find even a pg movie that doesn't use bad words. I was raised in a family where no bad words were tolerated and yet it was all around me . my Friends the movies the books everywhere. but it was only the influence of my family that kept me from speaking in that way not that I was kept from it. we tend to blame every thing else when one of our kids turns out to speak badly or use drugs or rob banks but I am a strong believer that it is all in how we raise our children that forms there adult habits.to many people think that the schools or the Churches or some one else is supposed to teach these things and that is soooo wrong.

if you don't want them to do bad things then you must set the example and also give your children tones of Love not money.

[Edited on 6-23-2005 by Bruce R Leech]

I don't see what the issue is

jrbaja - 6-23-2005 at 08:54 AM

with Yankees posts.
And one of the differences I have noticed living in Mexico and having humans as friends is that we are able to discuss everything (as best I can) without censorship. These people are well aware of what goes on in the world and rather than ignore it or pretend it isn't going on, they discuss it. Sometimes with me.
I think that one of the main things that went wrong with the americans is pretending the problems aren't there, (not my kids) or (not in my neighborhood) for example.
As far as the parenting goes, I think it's better to be aware, make your kids be aware, and discuss the reasoning behind your feelings out in the open. Like the Mexicans do. Sure seems to bring their families together. At least the ones I know.
As far as the swearing goes, I only do it when I know I shouldn't or some tucker peees me off and I can probably get a reaction from some on here

But in real life, I find it fairly disgusting, even being in construction for the majority of my life!
It really isn't ncessary to prove any points.

What we should be more concerned about is the chicken coup group and the rumours they like to spread. ********************
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[Edited on 6-23-2005 by BajaNomad]

Debra - 6-23-2005 at 12:37 PM

Bad manners, are bad manners IMHO....the whole "it's just a word" seems silly to me and an excuse for not investing in a dictionary to learn how to better express oneself. Again, just MHO.....

I understand Wilderones request (I think)....he would like his son to learn from this board, (there is much to learn) but, doesn't want him to hear the foul mouths and the ugly bickering and learn from that part, that if the 'adults' do it, it must be okay. As far as I read he didn't put anyone down, he didn't insist, it seemed to me that he was bringing it to the attention of the people here to remind them that in fact children DO read here and we want to be an example of the good and not the ugly I do have Brendan (age 11) read here sometimes, but, I have to admit.....not until I've read something first......the only place he goes online alone (with me in the wings) is the online chess site.

I have to admit also, I'm confused?????? JR? Just what are you talking about the "hicken Coup Groupers?" As you know, I'm close friends with Mike H. and Maryann and I'm not in the "loop" on what the problem is...could you explaine please (U2U, would be best, thanks....)

yankeeirishman - 6-23-2005 at 05:18 PM

Emphasizing ????????????the word ?please?.
My Kids...read here too!
You know?I have a great ten year old that?s sooooo hyped up about Baja. He loves to browse here. My two grandkids read here too, but only once in a while do they read the forum. The fishing pictures are what little Nicky goes for. Oh?and the camping stories that are here?he loves em too.
So now my point to this post here?. PLEASE refrain from doing partial letters, or insinuations of the word, and whatever else you deemed to be a submitter for the harsh words of the ?F? words.
Please! Be cool. You got to understand if your a parent.

As you read this passage (above) quietly to yourself, certain parts of your brain are working to try to make sense of different aspects of the information contained in this text. The word PLEASE is emphasized. Not a shadow of a demand is in sight. No hint of threat within. Just a pleasant word was used?.?PLEASE?.
To improve your (pointed towards some of you less educated humans here) vocabulary, one simple way is just to use cue cards, and on those cards write one word, the meaning of the word, as well as perhaps a sample sentence of that word. Carry that cue card around with you. Look at it at odd moments. Try to use it in your mind during the day some time. Hopefully, by the end of the day, you'll be quite familiar with that word.
To say my son (and other kids in this world) already uses the [word], is truly falsehood, and a lack of attention in your little self contained world. There are kids, and adults that do not use the [word]! Your kid may use the word?but my kids don?t. In fact?. there far more non users of the f word that the ones that do use it. Get out of you seclusions of false reality ?
Do you ever see the f word used in the Bible? Perhaps when you order a steak at Black Angus?your waitress says?I?ll be right with your [word]ing order in a moment! How bout you with that restaurant in Oregon?you (the Boss) allow the help to use this language? Ever hear it at Disneyland? Most novels? No.

I do monitor what my kid reads. I try too, that is. I was asking for some help here from all of you. Guess that was too much for some of you to deal with. Too bad...on your part of being a good Nomad.

To some of you that have taken this very simple request and turned it into a load of misconception that fits you twisted mindsets, here:
Getting the Big Picture
?Read through ambiguity and confusion.
?Read ahead to see if confusion clears up.
?Review the big picture to check comprehension.

The BajaNomads Forums is indeed being editing of the ?freedom of speech?. Everyday! What ya call PG13? The ?RULES? of this board has so many restrictions on your freedom?its not totally free speech here! HELLO? It?s called restriction of your literary rights! Heck?I can restrict your post replies by just deleting the entire post?and repost again! Editing your free speech. Get a life! Last to say I have. ?Some of you really have kids? Or are you just flaming for a subject?!

eetdrt88 .....thanks for the u2u. You are excluded from these words here.

C'om Flamers and trollers! Lets light it up here with your pity responses!

[Edited on 6-24-2005 by yankeeirishman]

I think it's more of a Denny's

jrbaja - 6-23-2005 at 05:27 PM

" Perhaps when you order a steak at Black Angus?your waitress says?I?ll be right with your [word]ing order in a moment!"

type statement rather than Black Angus but I could be misteakin.

Dave - 6-23-2005 at 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by yankeeirishman
I was asking for some help here from all of you. Guess that was too much for some of you to deal with. Too bad...on your part of being a good Nomad.

NOW you're getting somewhere!

Good old-fashioned Jewish guilt. I was raised on it.

Now if you would just dress up like my mother and lay it on thick, you just might have a convert.

<And while you're at it, make me some meatloaf just like she did...dry and tasteless.

Do they make

jrbaja - 6-23-2005 at 05:50 PM

Kosher Catsup? :light:

Dave - 6-23-2005 at 05:57 PM

Yep, but it wouldn't have helped much. Would have had to use the whole bottle.

yankeeirishman - 6-23-2005 at 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jrbaja
" Perhaps when you order a steak at Black Angus?your waitress says?I?ll be right with your [word]ing order in a moment!"

type statement rather than Black Angus but I could be misteakin.

Okay...exclude Denny's :lol:

Packoderm - 6-23-2005 at 06:53 PM

There is absolutely nothing on this board that comes even close to the harshness of the profanity shared among the boys in my neighborhood when I was young. To me, this site is an adult setting where you generally don't cuss unless it's called for.

HUH ??

MrBillM - 6-24-2005 at 09:38 AM

Yanqui Mick Quote:

C'om Flamers and trollers! Lets light it up here with your pity responses!

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Ok, I'm used to the poor spelling and bad syntax I read daily on this forum, but what the HECK are you trying to say in that sentence ?

Meatloaf

DanO - 6-24-2005 at 11:12 AM

That must be the same recipe my mom used. At least it wasn't as bad as the liver and onions. Ugh.

I think Yankee meant "pithy," meaning "precise and meaningful." I was going to take that as a compliment on the post explaining my point of view on Yankee's request, but I don't think I qualify as either a troll or a flamer. According to the Cambridge Dictionary, those are defined as follows:

Troll (COMPUTING)
verb [I or T] - to leave an intentionally annoying message on a part of the Internet in order to get attention or cause trouble: "His hobby is trolling for newbies."
noun [C] - "A well-constructed troll will provoke irate or confused responses from flamers and newbies."

Flame (COMPUTING)
verb [T] SLANG - to send an insulting electronic message over the Internet about someone who you disagree with:
"Please don't flame me if you disagree with this message."
noun [C] SLANG - an angry or offensive email: "flame wars"

Actually............

MrBillM - 6-24-2005 at 06:49 PM

I considered, but rejected "Pithy" because it would have been complimentary.

Perhaps he meant "Pitiful". That would be more in keeping with the character of his words.

Quien sabe ?