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Red Tide

jrbaja - 7-8-2005 at 06:22 PM

I understand this is the longest running red tide ever heard of. I am curious as to how far north and south it goes. I am aware so far that it stretches from at least Ensenada to above l.a..
Any of you coasties in either direction have any info.?:?:

DanO - 7-8-2005 at 06:54 PM

As of Tuesday, it was not visible from shore at La Bocana de Santo Tomas.

Frank - 7-8-2005 at 07:12 PM

Point Loma and La Jolla in San Diego have red tide. I think its breaking up though.

all of oarnge counties beaches..

eetdrt88 - 7-8-2005 at 08:36 PM

have had red tide for weeks...it appears to be going away in the last few days....i'm wondering why it has stayed so long

La Mision and Ensenada have Red Tide

Keri - 7-8-2005 at 08:43 PM

It's been great watching the phosphorescent waves at night. Relly beautiful,quite a light show. k:yes:

That it is!

jrbaja - 7-8-2005 at 09:04 PM

And apparently it goes as far south as Punta Banda. The funny thing is, some darn neighbors of mine are up on the street selling fresh mussels. Don't buy any shellfish at the stop sign south of Rosarito!:light:

Sharksbaja - 7-9-2005 at 01:17 AM

I remember yeas ago in Sop Cal it was a common event. Typically localized and short-lived. Didn't see much in the 80s-90s.

PSP or paralytic shellfish poisoning occurs from a dinoflagellate, a plankton. It is called gymnodinium catenatum and is only prevalent in a few areas in the world. It's ability to ingest and otherwise pass along up the food chain toxins derived from an algal bloom. These plankton are ingested by fish and shellfish and stored in potent quantities. It can then be passed to fish and humans. The spawning oy pyrodinium or gymnodinium zooplankton require elements of temp, currents and upwelling or blooms of other alga to be correct. Wait at least two weeks after such an event ends before consuming animals taken directly from theses waters.

We have our own closures with domoic acid (natural occuring diatoms) poisoning in the NW

see Woods Hole explanation:







[Edited on 7-9-2005 by Sharksbaja]

Debra - 7-9-2005 at 01:59 PM

WOW! must be a "hum-dinger" we have a red tide warning here also!

Anonymous - 7-10-2005 at 05:02 PM

Some 'Red Tides' on the Atlantic coast are caused by dust storms in Africa..go figure. No one thing makes them happen. The biblical event in Eygpt when 'the waters ran red' could have been a red tide. Currently the worst red tide alert is on the upper Baja coast and north 800 miles. Be cautious with eating any shallow water species of marine life, and even some respiratory problems observed in dogs and humans are associated with breathing the air along red tide shorelines.

yankeeirishman - 7-11-2005 at 03:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Keri
It's been great watching the phosphorescent waves at night. Relly beautiful,quite a light show. k:yes:


I remenber phosphorescent waves of Point Mugu area back in the 1980?s. We had witnessed this nighttime action of flashing in the waters off the shore. At this point, we wanted to see it more, so we took flashlights, and hiked up to the peek of Point Mugu. Looking down upon the waters of the Pacific?. it was like watching a lightning storm. With each roll of wave out there?it produced ?lighting strike? effects. Thought we all had too many Mushrooms that night! A sight that I?ll never forget.

Aerosols from red tides can produce respiratory ailments if you have breathing ailments!

Phosphorescences

jrbaja - 7-11-2005 at 04:17 PM

My cousin and I took our daughters whale watching and then to Mulege fer a week. Arrived at our camp at night and noticed a lot of "glow' in the shore break. 2" waves!
After putting the girls to bed, we paddled our surfboards out and watched the fish trails under us. Then, when we were paddling, the splash attracted the fish. Next thing we knew, we were getting pelted by the fish attracted to the glowing splashes. Too cool!
The next night we took our daughters out to see the show. This is when we discovered that 7 and 10 year old girls do not like to get pelted with fish!

[Edited on 7/11/2005 by jrbaja]

Debra - 7-11-2005 at 05:44 PM

For great fun Brendan and I go swimming with them, (do Dolphin rolls, toss rocks while in the water, jump up and be "green glowing monsters!) Also great fun (when it's too cold to get in the water, we just sit back in the dark and watch the Whales spout green funnels!

contrails and follow-ups

Sharksbaja - 7-11-2005 at 07:20 PM

:lol: Last January I spent a couple weeks in Mulege.
I was enthralled with the "ker-splashes" I kept hearing from our house along the river. The splashes got so loud I had to investigate. There in the river at high-tide were large snook leaping well into the air. The starlight so bright it illuminated their sleek bodies. As I watched I saw dozens porpoising up and down the rio. I looked down and was startled by a swift streak of green light. Then another, and another, swooshing by with a contrail of brilliant green phosphorescence following behind and then fading gentle away. While staring at the water I saw a little steak being chased down by a big streak then "poof" it disappeared. Cool!

yankeeirishman - 7-12-2005 at 08:22 AM

does anyone here have some night pics of this red tide?

Tomas Tierra - 7-14-2005 at 03:51 PM

red tide showed up in oxnard today thick...Islands were clean yesterday, today don't know. going tommorow to the islands probably santa cruz, we shall see...TT

yankeeirishman - 7-14-2005 at 06:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Tomas Tierra
red tide showed up in oxnard today thick...Islands were clean yesterday, today don't know. going tommorow to the islands probably santa cruz, we shall see...TT


NO! HeyTierra....Point Mugu is Oxnard! That big ol rock out there alongside of h-1. 6 or so miles south of you. Climb up on it as we did, at night. Be damn careful though.

Tomas Tierra - 7-14-2005 at 09:32 PM

Sorry there yankee, don't understand ... "No!" what.. Why climb the rock?? Point Mugu is definately not Oxnard..

The Gull - 7-15-2005 at 06:57 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Anonymous
Some 'Red Tides' on the Atlantic coast are caused by dust storms in Africa..go figure. No one thing makes them happen. The biblical event in Eygpt when 'the waters ran red' could have been a red tide. Currently the worst red tide alert is on the upper Baja coast and north 800 miles. Be cautious with eating any shallow water species of marine life, and even some respiratory problems observed in dogs and humans are associated with breathing the air along red tide shorelines.


Maybe this tide was stirred up by the big number of quakes in the ocean this last 12 months, including the Indonesian ones.

yankeeirishman - 7-15-2005 at 07:45 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Tomas Tierra
Sorry there yankee, don't understand ... "No!" what.. Why climb the rock?? Point Mugu is definately not Oxnard..


No! [like in "oh no way, that's great!"]. Sorry...my chosen words are a bit off the road sometimes. BTW welcome aboard!

The best guess I have heard

Hook - 7-15-2005 at 09:06 AM

...on the resilience of this year's red tide along the SoCal coast is that an abundance of nutrients from this year's rains have provided conditions for plankton to thrive (and then die) inshore for much longer than usual. This, coupled with inshore ocean temps that have been cooler than normal, have led to this.

Certainly, it is the worst I have ever seen in these parts and it was the 1st or 2nd rainiest winter on record.

Bajaboy - 7-15-2005 at 08:37 PM

Just got back from a swim in La Jolla and the water is clear again. Now I can see all the sharks....

Zac

Tomas Tierra - 7-16-2005 at 10:24 PM

thanx yankee. definately a newb here...

red tide seems to have pushed back for now . water very cold today ... but blue! TT

Big article on red tide

Hook - 7-18-2005 at 02:27 PM

in today's OC Register.

The most interesting misconception it cleared up for me is that red tides on the west coast supposedly DO NOT CAUSE THE BUILDUP OF TOXINS IN SHELLFISH. That is only with the type of red tide that forms on the east coast.

No definitve answers as to why it is so prevalent this year......although they did mention the heavy-rain-runoff theory.

Just back from El Rosario

Hook - 7-25-2005 at 02:50 PM

and there were signs of red tide as far south as El Socorro south of SQ. It appears to have killed off lots of vegetation in places, especially eel grass. Make for really tough surf fishing when it takes 30 seconds to clear the line after each cast.

Zac

DanO - 7-25-2005 at 02:59 PM

Repeat after me: There are no sharks, there are no sharks, there are no sharks, there are no sharks, there are no sharks . . . .

Sallysouth - 7-26-2005 at 11:26 PM

Report as of today, Red Tide as far as the Bay of Estero. Not a good thing as my Dad and I were all set , and I mean set and prepared to fish . Hey, what the heck, we have sand spikes and what could be better than Father and daughter out on a lonley stretch of beach, not worrying about catching fish? Good time to reminise (sp).

Cabras

timperkins - 7-27-2005 at 10:59 AM

In Punta Cabras last weekend, the waves had a wonderful phosphorescent green tint to them at night... But no visible red tide during the day.

Bob H - 7-27-2005 at 02:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hook
in today's OC Register.

The most interesting misconception it cleared up for me is that red tides on the west coast supposedly DO NOT CAUSE THE BUILDUP OF TOXINS IN SHELLFISH. That is only with the type of red tide that forms on the east coast.

No definitve answers as to why it is so prevalent this year......although they did mention the heavy-rain-runoff theory.


Hook,
This is very interesting stuff regarding red tide. By the way, it was fantastic meeting you and your wife during the festival and at the camp site Saturday night! I'll be busy looking for my Derale transmission filter. Hah! Maybe this is it...
http://www.derale.com/coolerfiltration.shtml
Bob H (and Audrey)
PS: I have a new respect for Lance Campers!:o

what is it??

Sharksbaja - 7-27-2005 at 02:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hook
in today's OC Register.

The most interesting misconception it cleared up for me is that red tides on the west coast supposedly DO NOT CAUSE THE BUILDUP OF TOXINS IN SHELLFISH. That is only with the type of red tide that forms on the east coast.

No definitve answers as to why it is so prevalent this year......although they did mention the heavy-rain-runoff theory.


Hook, please read the following link.
West Coast PSP
PSP has been a problem here in the NW. Same with demoic acid. What organism exactly are they listing as todays culprit?

vandenberg - 7-28-2005 at 08:02 AM

Right Sharky.



That's why all the campgrounds in northern California have warning signs about taking mussels and clams during the summer months,:biggrin:

Anonymous - 7-28-2005 at 04:20 PM

Hi JR,
I did some research online to find out the extent. There are red tide warnings from Ventura county south. It will continue as long as conditions are good for the organisms causing it. There are no predictions of when it will end. Just warnings, don't eat anything caught in the local waters. Also avoid exposure for areas with posted warnings or foam on shore or it could cause respiratory illness, rash, or flu symptoms. This goes for people as well as animals. Pat

Anonymous - 7-28-2005 at 04:26 PM

here is a good website if you are interested in the scientific explanation of red tides.

http://www.surfrider.org/a-z/red_tide.asp

Thanks

jrbaja - 7-28-2005 at 04:27 PM

It's been blue water around here for a few days but I can see it lurking offshore.

Well, that certainly seems to refute

Hook - 7-29-2005 at 09:37 AM

the newspaper article.

I guess you cant believe everything you read in the papers.....even when it isn't the LA Times. :lol:

I'll go with the scientific looking publication.

I also think I'll avoid the oysters out of SQ for a while. There was red tide north and south of the bay entrance last week.

bajaandy - 7-29-2005 at 11:16 AM

On Sunday I surfed south of Punta Baja and the water was a bit murky, but did not appear to be 'red-tide'. However, there was the tell-tale signs of red tide: Dead eel grass and sea weed (a LOT of it) washed up on shore. On the drive home we could still see it in the water, but much more so once we got north of Endenada.

To Bob H.

Hook - 7-29-2005 at 03:10 PM

Yep, that's the unit I got. However, I found that the threaded hose bibs that screwed into the threaded area at the top of the filter mount WERE THE WRONG SIZE IN THE PACKAGE I BOUGHT. I had to go buy some brass ones that worked.

Not bad for a 19.00 filter mount.